EPTLilbow and his Approach to WCS Finals 2015 - Page 10
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:30 Jarree wrote: SC2 in general is in huge trouble, lack of players / viewers, LOTV doesn't seem like it's going to be big or interesting, matchfixing is going on... And people are crucifying arguably the best foreign player. Great job community. Hey come on no one is asking for him to get executed. And I would actually be more worried if everyone just thought that attitude was okay. By the way, I disagree SC2 is in such huge trouble, it's definitely not in the finest place, but it's doing ok, and LotV will probably give it a little boost it could capitalize on. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
Zealously being worshipped on TL. What else is new? | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:28 brickrd wrote: i realize that athletes get shit on too, it's part of my point. people forget that being young and having celebrity for a sporting talent can involve a lot of pressure and magnifies mistakes in ways that can be hard to deal with. like i said, i think his comments were foolish at best and rude at worst, but there are people who pounce on these things for the sheer joy of trashing a player, and i think that's often just as ugly as the player's poor behavior and i'm not really worried. it's on lilbow to be able to handle the good and bad that come with minor celebrity, and it doesn't really effect me. but i call them as i see them, and some of the people in this thread are just absurd You gotta realize that this is all going to blow over in a week or two. Maybe it'll flare up again next time he wins something major, but it's hardly something that's going to get him kicked from his team, uninvited from tourneys, ect. Naniwa and Idra lasted plenty long in the scene despite their poor reputations after all. People are mad, they'll get over it. No need to jump on a high horse and tell everyone that they're wrong. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16022 Posts
He was the sole foreign representive at the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP he basically represented the foreign scene. Many people were criticizing the WCS system because it enabled a foreigner to be at blizzcon and so fans of foreign sc2 hoped lilbow proved that foreigners deserve to be at blizzcon So lilbow not only disappointed his fans but embarassed the entire foreign scene, made the WCS system look like a joke and took a spot that other players like hyun would have deserved 1000 times more. Also he disrespected his opponent, the tournament organizers and got a paid trip to the USA for nothing. So yes he deserves every inche of hate he gets. | ||
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Xyik
Canada728 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12379 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:33 Charoisaur wrote: People still defending lilbow don't understand what's going on. He was the sole foreign representive at the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP he basically represented the foreign scene. Many people were criticizing the WCS system because it enabled a foreigner to be at blizzcon and so fans of foreign sc2 hoped lilbow proved that foreigners deserve to be at blizzcon So lilbow not only disappointed his fans but embarassed the entire foreign scene, made the WCS system look like a joke and took a spot that other players like hyun would have deserved 1000 times more. Also he disrespected his opponent, the tournament organizers and got a paid trip to the USA for nothing. So yes he deserves every inche of hate he gets. Here you are criticizing him for offering a bad display in the games, getting humiliated by Life. Two pages ago, when Incognito answered you on that, you said it had nothing to do with the games, but with his attitude. Lilbow didn't make the WCS system look like a joke. The WCS system is designed to offer chances for foreigners. The chances were offered. The system worked. Nowhere in the system is it written, "suddenly Lilbow will look pretty good when he plays against Life". Hyun doesn't deserve the spot 1000 times more. Lilbow earned his place there. As such, he got it. There is nothing more to say there. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:33 Charoisaur wrote: People still defending lilbow don't understand what's going on. He was the sole foreign representive at the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP he basically represented the foreign scene. Many people were criticizing the WCS system because it enabled a foreigner to be at blizzcon and so fans of foreign sc2 hoped lilbow proved that foreigners deserve to be at blizzcon So lilbow not only disappointed his fans but embarassed the entire foreign scene, made the WCS system look like a joke and took a spot that other players like hyun would have deserved 1000 times more. Also he disrespected his opponent, the tournament organizers and got a paid trip to the USA for nothing. So yes he deserves every inche of hate he gets.  . Exactly. He's not getting hate for losing to Life, he's not getting hate for playing poorly, he's getting hate for embarrassing himself and embarrassing any other foreigner who'd kill for that spot at the BIGGEST TOURNAMENT OF THE YEAR and then doubling down by going on social media and basically saying "I knew I'd lose so fuck it, i didn't even try".If I were Blizzard and I saw that from my WCS Global representative I unlock the regions again faster than you could say "dead game" | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:44 Nebuchad wrote: Here you are criticizing him for offering a bad display in the games, getting humiliated by Life. I read Charoisaur's post three times, and no, it's pretty clear the only thing he's criticizing is his poor attitude and lack of chivalry, of competitive spirit. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12379 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:50 [PkF] Wire wrote: I read Charoisaur's post three times, and no, it's pretty clear the only thing he's criticizing is his poor attitude and competitive spirit. I think you're right, I apologize if that is the case. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:51 Nebuchad wrote: I think you're right, I apologize if that is the case. no harm done mate | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16022 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:44 Nebuchad wrote: Here you are criticizing him for offering a bad display in the games, getting humiliated by Life. Two pages ago, when Incognito answered you on that, you said it had nothing to do with the games, but with his attitude. Lilbow didn't make the WCS system look like a joke. The WCS system is designed to offer chances for foreigners. The chances were offered. The system worked. Nowhere in the system is it written, "suddenly Lilbow will look pretty good when he plays against Life". Hyun doesn't deserve the spot 1000 times more. Lilbow earned his place there. As such, he got it. There is nothing more to say there. the games were the result of his attitude. if you don't practice and don't take the game seriously you are guaranteed to lose in embarassing fashion; still the games alone wouldn't get him hate. And he made the WCS system look like a joke because it enables bad players with an unprofessional attitude to be at blizzcon in favor of hard working pros who would give everything to show a good performance. | ||
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Weird
United States832 Posts
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farnham
1378 Posts
if he had one one or two matches he wouldnt even have mentioned his LOTV practice at all. its just a very bad excuse for an inexcusable performance. no way that lilbow will sustain himself like the likes of naniwa did. | ||
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JabuSeika
United States607 Posts
The foreign scene has taken a huge hit, and I don't think it will recover after this. Say good bye to region lock. If the best player the foreign scene could muster in 2015, didn't care for practicing, lost 3 incredibly simple games, two of which he scouted. Then we don't deserve a region lock. If another Korean player can take that WCS spot, and show that he can pour his soul into practicing and beat kespa koreans, like Hydra did, like Polt did. Then they deserve that spot more than a foreigner. I am sure any other foreign player would had given anything to be there, and they would had practiced their heart out for that game against Life, to show that WCS deserves to be region locked. Lilbow had that chance to represent the foreign scene, and he wasted it.  | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:33 Charoisaur wrote: People still defending lilbow don't understand what's going on. He was the sole foreign representive at the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP he basically represented the foreign scene. Many people were criticizing the WCS system because it enabled a foreigner to be at blizzcon and so fans of foreign sc2 hoped lilbow proved that foreigners deserve to be at blizzcon So lilbow not only disappointed his fans but embarassed the entire foreign scene, made the WCS system look like a joke and took a spot that other players like hyun would have deserved 1000 times more. Also he disrespected his opponent, the tournament organizers and got a paid trip to the USA for nothing. So yes he deserves every inche of hate he gets. This is exactly the stupidity behind a lot of posts. Lilbow wasn't sent by some "united foreigner community" as their representative. He didn't choose to be the only foreigner there. It's his fucking life, he didn't do something ridiculous like Naniwa and dropped out midgame. He just didn't prepare as well as he could have, an example of thousands every year in every sport. And he didn't even do it out of lazyness, he didn't waste his time with party escapes or whoring around. Every greater football club in Europe has to choose how to prioritize their player and training resources between European leagues, national leagues and cups. Every olympic winter games the NHL and their players are forced to make the decision between the biggest event for national teams, or the biggest league in the world. And I'm sorry, but the players, teams and leagues often don't decide in favor of the most prestigeous event possible, but rather the ones they have responsibilities towards or the ones that they feel more capable of managing. Same here, Lilbow chose the LotV DH that he actually has a chance in over getting crushed by Life or INnoVation one way or another anyways. By the way, we see the same thing happening over and over again with proleague in Starcraft anyways. Players dropping out of international events on short notice or coming underprepared to them. The only difference is Lilbow's stupid twitter posts instead of a well-constructed PR declaration with some apology towards his fans for not playing better. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:30 Jarree wrote: SC2 in general is in huge trouble, lack of players / viewers, LOTV doesn't seem like it's going to be big or interesting, matchfixing is going on... And people are crucifying arguably the best foreign player. Great job community. well id argue lilbows attitude is almost as poisnous as matchfixing to a pro gaming scene. you are watching pro gaming games because you expect to see some great matches not some games where one player gets obliterated by early cheese every time. | ||
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JabuSeika
United States607 Posts
On November 03 2015 07:02 Big J wrote: This is exactly the stupidity behind a lot of posts. Lilbow wasn't sent by some "united foreigner community" as their representative. He didn't choose to be the only foreigner there. He didn't choose, but he was. All that matters is that Koreans will point at this games, and lack of ability/game knowledge, and say why do foreigners deserve to get free slots for the Global Finals through WCS charity? | ||
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Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
1. Be up front about it form the start. Explain the difficulties with finding quality HotS practice in his situation. Don't wait til after you get bopped and then throw it out there casually. 2. Don't say anything at all. Take the loss and move on. The way he went about it it comes off as an excuse and he showed very little remorse over the outcome. He just said "meh, couldn't practice ty for the 5k but I don't care" which obviously rubs people the wrong way. Lastly I just have to say that blaming Life for the quality of the games is pretty laughable. Own up to the loss. Luckily this situation is almost 100% never going to happen again. The problem didn't stem from a foreigner making blizzcon it stemmed from the timing of LotV release and the fact that only one foreigner made it. In the future regardless of who makes it I don't foresee the lack of practice partner issue coming up again. | ||
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JabuSeika
United States607 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:54 Charoisaur wrote: the games were the result of his attitude. if you don't practice and don't take the game seriously you are guaranteed to lose in embarassing fashion; still the games alone wouldn't get him hate. And he made the WCS system look like a joke because it enables bad players with an unprofessional attitude to be at blizzcon in favor of hard working pros who would give everything to show a good performance. You're right. I don't care that he lost. I care that he said the games didn't matter to him. | ||
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