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On November 03 2015 22:37 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 22:34 ddayzy wrote:On November 03 2015 22:29 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 22:20 Penev wrote:On November 03 2015 22:07 Umpteen wrote:
Right now he deserves the shitstorm. He's a professional athlete and part of the job description is that you carry the hopes and dreams of others on your shoulders, and respect the sport as much or more than the fans do. That's ultimately the only reason anyone cares about what you do enough for you to earn money doing it (unless you're so carelessly brilliant that you win anyway). You don't get to just shuck that burden without consequence.
Remember: he didn't have to show his working out here. He could have just said "That's Life - see you in LotV" and nobody would have batted an eyelid. But no - he was butthurt at getting 3-0'd by zerglings and had to offer up a public excuse.
The only question remaining is: did he ultimately make the right call by signing up for that shitstorm? We will only know when his LotV results start coming in. If he's winning tournaments then the gamble pays off. Fans will praise his judgement, his value will go up, viewership will be bolstered and everyone wins. If he nabs an early deep run and then disappears, or fails to make a mark entirely, he'll be a symbol of foreign failure: can't even win by stealing a march on the Koreans honourably striving to make the last big game of HotS a worthy spectacle. All he's done by making his thinking public is raise the stakes.
So no pressure. I'd like to add that in reality, a little less practice in LotV beta the last few months wouldn't have had much (if not any at all) influence on his results the coming years. He qualified for Dreamhack. That wouldn't have been possible without LotV practice. Given Dreamhack line-up, I'd say he has something like 70%+ chance of winning 1250$ (12th place finish) Depending on who the four last players are, I'd say he has between 10 and 15% chance of winning 10k (1st). Balance that against the 0,05% chance of winning more money at blizzcon. And he could sleep with random guys down at the docks for 500 dollars each making much more money if that's the only messurment of what the right choice is. I'm answering someone who says his choice doesn't have an influence on his future results. What do you want me to talk about? Your posts are pretty bad.
If you cant come up with a argument please don't clog up the thread.
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On November 03 2015 22:33 Penev wrote:
He could have practiced both, he had a lot of time. He's a full time pro gamer. It wouldn't be ideal but the notion that it would've been impossible to properly prepare for both is a bit simplistic, I'm sorry to say.
Seems like the nutworst choice, you won't be prepared enough for either and likely lose equity in both.
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On November 03 2015 22:49 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 22:33 Penev wrote:
He could have practiced both, he had a lot of time. He's a full time pro gamer. It wouldn't be ideal but the notion that it would've been impossible to properly prepare for both is a bit simplistic, I'm sorry to say.
Seems like the nutworst choice, you won't be prepared enough for either and likely lose equity in both.
Why are you so convinced by this? If he'd practice 4 full days a week, 1 day HotS/ Life and 3 days LotV that would be very doable if you ask me. It's not that they're 2 completely different games as well.
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On November 03 2015 22:55 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 22:49 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 22:33 Penev wrote:
He could have practiced both, he had a lot of time. He's a full time pro gamer. It wouldn't be ideal but the notion that it would've been impossible to properly prepare for both is a bit simplistic, I'm sorry to say.
Seems like the nutworst choice, you won't be prepared enough for either and likely lose equity in both. Why are you so convinced by this? If he'd practice 4 full days a week, 1 day HotS/ Life and 3 days LotV that would be very doable if you ask me. It's not that they're 2 completely different games as well.
Only Lilbow knows what works best for him. Personally, I've always been an all or nothing kind of guy and I know I'm not the only one. Some people can play random and memorize 9 mus at a time. I practice 1 for a week, then switch. My brain works much better when focused on one thing.
Also, since the games share many similarities, it would be extremely difficult not to become confused and unconsciously do things which work in the other game...
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On November 03 2015 22:55 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 22:49 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 22:33 Penev wrote:
He could have practiced both, he had a lot of time. He's a full time pro gamer. It wouldn't be ideal but the notion that it would've been impossible to properly prepare for both is a bit simplistic, I'm sorry to say.
Seems like the nutworst choice, you won't be prepared enough for either and likely lose equity in both. Why are you so convinced by this? If he'd practice 4 full days a week, 1 day HotS/ Life and 3 days LotV that would be very doable if you ask me. It's not that they're 2 completely different games as well.
Don't see how you expect him to look okay against Life with 1 day of practice a week.
Don't see how the games can be argued not to be too different when you say in the same argument that practicing only one is what made him look terrible in the other.
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France12803 Posts
I don't really get why people think you need to play the beta full time to be successful early in LotV.
Let your french protoss buddies play the game and then ask them what you need to know, see for yourself and "voilà", 3 weeks preparation for the coming Dreamhack after the game is out is probably enough, because the argument "if I practice HotS it will only help me by a few percents" could be made for LotV "if you train LotV instead of Hots for the blizzcon it will only help you by a few percents" except fans won't be mad (better ROI) if you are able to at least survive the early game against Life.
The PR was indeed really bad tho, Millenium aren't doing a great job in this regard, which is quite worrying.
Plus the argument "you owe something to the fans" is kinda valid because you get sponsors and money thanks to these fans, although indirectly, and being the sole representative of the foreign scene comes indeed with responsabilities.
I hope for him that he will be able to overcome the shitstorm in order to perform to the fullest of his abilities in the early LotV though.
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On November 03 2015 23:01 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 22:55 Penev wrote:On November 03 2015 22:49 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 22:33 Penev wrote:
He could have practiced both, he had a lot of time. He's a full time pro gamer. It wouldn't be ideal but the notion that it would've been impossible to properly prepare for both is a bit simplistic, I'm sorry to say.
Seems like the nutworst choice, you won't be prepared enough for either and likely lose equity in both. Why are you so convinced by this? If he'd practice 4 full days a week, 1 day HotS/ Life and 3 days LotV that would be very doable if you ask me. It's not that they're 2 completely different games as well. Only Lilbow knows what works best for him. Personally, I've always been an all or nothing kind of guy and I know I'm not the only one. Some people can play random and memorize 9 mus at a time. I practice 1 for a week, then switch. My brain works much better when focused on one thing. Also, since the games share many similarities, it would be extremely difficult not to become confused and unconsciously do things which work in the other game...
Sure, but I can't imagine someone of the level of Lilbow not to be able to do this, he must practically radiate StarCraft.
I agree that it is (was) his choice though but I think he made a mistake he's going to regret (apart from his tweets and the subsequent shitstorm obviously). But maybe not, I'm not him.
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On November 03 2015 23:04 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 22:55 Penev wrote:On November 03 2015 22:49 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 22:33 Penev wrote:
He could have practiced both, he had a lot of time. He's a full time pro gamer. It wouldn't be ideal but the notion that it would've been impossible to properly prepare for both is a bit simplistic, I'm sorry to say.
Seems like the nutworst choice, you won't be prepared enough for either and likely lose equity in both. Why are you so convinced by this? If he'd practice 4 full days a week, 1 day HotS/ Life and 3 days LotV that would be very doable if you ask me. It's not that they're 2 completely different games as well. Don't see how you expect him to look okay against Life with 1 day of practice a week. Don't see how the games can be argued not to be too different when you say in the same argument that practicing only one is what made him look terrible in the other.
Well I can't help you with that, you seem to see things a bit too black and white for me to argue with. I didn't mean that as an insult, I hope you don't take it as one.
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On November 03 2015 22:36 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 22:13 TRaFFiC wrote:On November 03 2015 22:06 ddayzy wrote:On November 03 2015 22:03 TRaFFiC wrote:On November 03 2015 20:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"1100+ comments on screddit cause i got cheesed out of a tournament"
Really? Because he got cheesed? Does he actually not get why people are disappointed in him?
That's one heck of a defense mechanism he's got there... that psychological barrier keeping the truth out must be stronger than a planetary fortress... Absolutely because he got cheesed. Do you think we'd be having this discussion if it went 2-3 or 3-2 in his favor and then he tweets that he practiced 2 games? Of course not. People would be praising his talent. To the people saying this is bad for the scene/foreign scene/unprofessional I say to you remember Bobby Fischer. This guy would show up to tournaments late constantly, forfeit the first 2 matches in bo5, make extravagant demands about playing conditions, and to top it off he was a Jewish Nazi. Yet, he made Chess very popular. People like him are the lifeblood of the sports they compete it in. People love a good story. I dare you to find one person saying "Oh I didn't like Starcraft befor but now that Lillbow guy said he didn't respect the game paying him enough to even bother trying in the biggest torunament of the year I will definitly start watching". I can find you quite a few people who won't watch WCS again because of what he did. People who don't like sc2 most likely won't watch it regardless. But yes, drama always attracts randoms. I'll definitely make a point of watching his next games. I don't understand why Lilbow not taking the tournament seriously would cause people to not watch wcs? It's easy enough to not watch his matches, though I suspect most everybody will, if not to see him lose. It certainly does show a lack of competitive integrity. Since people (casters) were drumming up Lilbow's achievement of making it to the Global Finals, the show of blatant disinterest afforded the year's grand finale would often be construed as indicative of a general mentality amongst WCS competitors. If this is the best WCS Premier could muster, I don't see that the sole representative being ravaged by rudimentary ling aggression three times in a row (and then saying he didn't practice) would make a great case for the league.
I'm really not sure how it would affect the general integrity, perhaps the integrity of the player himself (still somewhat of a stretch) but I don't think that's not of any relevance in broad terms.
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As far as I am concerned, this attitude is a disgrace for someone who wants to be a champion. Sure, Life is an extremely difficult opponent, but shouldn't that motivate you to try harder? It's not like Life is invincible either, he lost bo5s to foreigners before. You are not supposed to just roll over and die.
A true champion wants to be challenged, he wants to fight against the odds. And he wants to win. Always.
Did Mvp roll over and die against Life in that GSL final? No. Despite his wrist issues and backpain, he put up a great fight and almost won. Made it damn close.
Did Hydra roll over and die against Dream, a player famous for his TvZ that beat an in-form Life TWICE? No. He put up a great fight an won. That's a mark of a true champion. Not this.
And don't tell me he couldn't practice. He declined help that was offered to him.
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On November 03 2015 22:03 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 20:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"1100+ comments on screddit cause i got cheesed out of a tournament"
Really? Because he got cheesed? Does he actually not get why people are disappointed in him?
That's one heck of a defense mechanism he's got there... that psychological barrier keeping the truth out must be stronger than a planetary fortress... Absolutely because he got cheesed. Do you think we'd be having this discussion if it went 2-3 or 3-2 in his favor and then he tweets that he practiced 2 games? Of course not. People would be praising his talent. To the people saying this is bad for the scene/foreign scene/unprofessional I say to you remember Bobby Fischer. This guy would show up to tournaments late constantly, forfeit the first 2 matches in bo5, make extravagant demands about playing conditions, and to top it off he was a Jewish Nazi. Yet, he made Chess very popular. People like him are the lifeblood of the sports they compete it in. People love a good story.
To be fair Bobby Fischer was a master in his field and we cannot say this about Lilbow. When Parting/MC were doing their "I don't give a shit" stances they were respected as the best players. They were winning, they were innovating meta. Lilbow isn't. And that's the difference.
Also remember that this started by Lycan who was very vocal about some places reserved for foreigners and Lilbow now made this a little bit harder to pass. Even if Blizzard will make 2-4 spots in Blizzcon for foreigners Lilbow will be used as an example why this is a bad idea/decision ;-)
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On November 03 2015 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 22:03 TRaFFiC wrote:On November 03 2015 20:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"1100+ comments on screddit cause i got cheesed out of a tournament"
Really? Because he got cheesed? Does he actually not get why people are disappointed in him?
That's one heck of a defense mechanism he's got there... that psychological barrier keeping the truth out must be stronger than a planetary fortress... Absolutely because he got cheesed. Do you think we'd be having this discussion if it went 2-3 or 3-2 in his favor and then he tweets that he practiced 2 games? Of course not. People would be praising his talent. To the people saying this is bad for the scene/foreign scene/unprofessional I say to you remember Bobby Fischer. This guy would show up to tournaments late constantly, forfeit the first 2 matches in bo5, make extravagant demands about playing conditions, and to top it off he was a Jewish Nazi. Yet, he made Chess very popular. People like him are the lifeblood of the sports they compete it in. People love a good story. To be fair Bobby Fischer was a master in his field and we cannot say this about Lilbow. When Parting/MC were doing their "I don't give a shit" stances they were respected as the best players. They were winning, they were innovating meta. Lilbow isn't. And that's the difference. Also remember that this started by Lycan who was very vocal about some places reserved for foreigners and Lilbow now made this a little bit harder to pass. Even if Blizzard will make 2-4 spots in Blizzcon for foreigners Lilbow will be used as an example why this is a bad idea/decision ;-)
The WCS system is designed to give an opportunity to foreigners to get to Blizzcon. Lilbow got to Blizzcon. The system works. There is no clause in the WCS system that says "you will magically look like you have a good shot against Life". If you had a good shot against Life, you wouldn't need a WCS system in the first place.
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The "I got cheesed" is quite funny when used as an excuse for a bo5 loss against a superior opponent tho haha.
It's ok to lose to cheese in bo1, but getting cheesed/allined three times in a row successfully is like the most humiliating thing since cheeses and basic allins are far less likely to be pulled out successfully when the opponent is on his toes.
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"They should drum up his achievement as it was remarkable. Competitive integrity, big words with a lot of potential interpretations. IMO, not practicing doesn't harm the competitive integrity. Match fixing does."
The difference between what Lilbow did and match fixing is match fixing is throwing games for money, Lilbow did it for free.
It could actually be perceived as more disrespectful to the game, since you gain nothing from it.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 03 2015 23:31 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:On November 03 2015 22:03 TRaFFiC wrote:On November 03 2015 20:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"1100+ comments on screddit cause i got cheesed out of a tournament"
Really? Because he got cheesed? Does he actually not get why people are disappointed in him?
That's one heck of a defense mechanism he's got there... that psychological barrier keeping the truth out must be stronger than a planetary fortress... Absolutely because he got cheesed. Do you think we'd be having this discussion if it went 2-3 or 3-2 in his favor and then he tweets that he practiced 2 games? Of course not. People would be praising his talent. To the people saying this is bad for the scene/foreign scene/unprofessional I say to you remember Bobby Fischer. This guy would show up to tournaments late constantly, forfeit the first 2 matches in bo5, make extravagant demands about playing conditions, and to top it off he was a Jewish Nazi. Yet, he made Chess very popular. People like him are the lifeblood of the sports they compete it in. People love a good story. To be fair Bobby Fischer was a master in his field and we cannot say this about Lilbow. When Parting/MC were doing their "I don't give a shit" stances they were respected as the best players. They were winning, they were innovating meta. Lilbow isn't. And that's the difference. Also remember that this started by Lycan who was very vocal about some places reserved for foreigners and Lilbow now made this a little bit harder to pass. Even if Blizzard will make 2-4 spots in Blizzcon for foreigners Lilbow will be used as an example why this is a bad idea/decision ;-) The WCS system is designed to give an opportunity to foreigners to get to Blizzcon. Lilbow got to Blizzcon. The system works. There is no clause in the WCS system that says "you will magically look like you have a good shot against Life". If you had a good shot against Life, you wouldn't need a WCS system in the first place.
I wasn't saying this. I was saying that Lycan (and some other people) wants to have some places at Blizzcon reserved for foreigners. The last time he was saying 4 places. Because otherwise there's a low chance of seeing a foreigner at Blizzcon. Now this idea is damaged by Lilbow because he will be used as an example that we had a foreigner there and look what happened.
Or am I missing something? I wasn't against WCS ... not sure, my headache is killing me now, so I am a "little bit" off
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On November 03 2015 23:35 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 23:31 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:On November 03 2015 22:03 TRaFFiC wrote:On November 03 2015 20:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"1100+ comments on screddit cause i got cheesed out of a tournament"
Really? Because he got cheesed? Does he actually not get why people are disappointed in him?
That's one heck of a defense mechanism he's got there... that psychological barrier keeping the truth out must be stronger than a planetary fortress... Absolutely because he got cheesed. Do you think we'd be having this discussion if it went 2-3 or 3-2 in his favor and then he tweets that he practiced 2 games? Of course not. People would be praising his talent. To the people saying this is bad for the scene/foreign scene/unprofessional I say to you remember Bobby Fischer. This guy would show up to tournaments late constantly, forfeit the first 2 matches in bo5, make extravagant demands about playing conditions, and to top it off he was a Jewish Nazi. Yet, he made Chess very popular. People like him are the lifeblood of the sports they compete it in. People love a good story. To be fair Bobby Fischer was a master in his field and we cannot say this about Lilbow. When Parting/MC were doing their "I don't give a shit" stances they were respected as the best players. They were winning, they were innovating meta. Lilbow isn't. And that's the difference. Also remember that this started by Lycan who was very vocal about some places reserved for foreigners and Lilbow now made this a little bit harder to pass. Even if Blizzard will make 2-4 spots in Blizzcon for foreigners Lilbow will be used as an example why this is a bad idea/decision ;-) The WCS system is designed to give an opportunity to foreigners to get to Blizzcon. Lilbow got to Blizzcon. The system works. There is no clause in the WCS system that says "you will magically look like you have a good shot against Life". If you had a good shot against Life, you wouldn't need a WCS system in the first place. I wasn't saying this. I was saying that Lycan (and some other people) wants to have some places at Blizzcon reserved for foreigners. The last time he was saying 4 places. Because otherwise there's a low chance of seeing a foreigner at Blizzcon. Now this idea is damaged by Lilbow because he will be used as an example that we had a foreigner there and look what happened. Or am I missing something? I wasn't against WCS ... not sure, my headache is killing me now, so I am a "little bit" off
Well it's a good thing then, four places reserved to foreigners for Blizzcon is a terrible idea.
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On November 03 2015 23:37 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 23:35 deacon.frost wrote:On November 03 2015 23:31 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:On November 03 2015 22:03 TRaFFiC wrote:On November 03 2015 20:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"1100+ comments on screddit cause i got cheesed out of a tournament"
Really? Because he got cheesed? Does he actually not get why people are disappointed in him?
That's one heck of a defense mechanism he's got there... that psychological barrier keeping the truth out must be stronger than a planetary fortress... Absolutely because he got cheesed. Do you think we'd be having this discussion if it went 2-3 or 3-2 in his favor and then he tweets that he practiced 2 games? Of course not. People would be praising his talent. To the people saying this is bad for the scene/foreign scene/unprofessional I say to you remember Bobby Fischer. This guy would show up to tournaments late constantly, forfeit the first 2 matches in bo5, make extravagant demands about playing conditions, and to top it off he was a Jewish Nazi. Yet, he made Chess very popular. People like him are the lifeblood of the sports they compete it in. People love a good story. To be fair Bobby Fischer was a master in his field and we cannot say this about Lilbow. When Parting/MC were doing their "I don't give a shit" stances they were respected as the best players. They were winning, they were innovating meta. Lilbow isn't. And that's the difference. Also remember that this started by Lycan who was very vocal about some places reserved for foreigners and Lilbow now made this a little bit harder to pass. Even if Blizzard will make 2-4 spots in Blizzcon for foreigners Lilbow will be used as an example why this is a bad idea/decision ;-) The WCS system is designed to give an opportunity to foreigners to get to Blizzcon. Lilbow got to Blizzcon. The system works. There is no clause in the WCS system that says "you will magically look like you have a good shot against Life". If you had a good shot against Life, you wouldn't need a WCS system in the first place. I wasn't saying this. I was saying that Lycan (and some other people) wants to have some places at Blizzcon reserved for foreigners. The last time he was saying 4 places. Because otherwise there's a low chance of seeing a foreigner at Blizzcon. Now this idea is damaged by Lilbow because he will be used as an example that we had a foreigner there and look what happened. Or am I missing something? I wasn't against WCS ... not sure, my headache is killing me now, so I am a "little bit" off Well it's a good thing then, four places reserved to foreigners for Blizzcon is a terrible idea.
Incontrol(I think) asked Lycan to name 4 competent foreigners. He said Lilbow, Mana, Snute and maybe TLO(I think)... then the case was closed with "we have a problem naming 4 competent players and you want 4 places there?" statement 
It is not accurate and I am at work and cannot find the episode of TLG where it happened.
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On November 03 2015 23:40 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 23:37 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 23:35 deacon.frost wrote:On November 03 2015 23:31 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:On November 03 2015 22:03 TRaFFiC wrote:On November 03 2015 20:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"1100+ comments on screddit cause i got cheesed out of a tournament"
Really? Because he got cheesed? Does he actually not get why people are disappointed in him?
That's one heck of a defense mechanism he's got there... that psychological barrier keeping the truth out must be stronger than a planetary fortress... Absolutely because he got cheesed. Do you think we'd be having this discussion if it went 2-3 or 3-2 in his favor and then he tweets that he practiced 2 games? Of course not. People would be praising his talent. To the people saying this is bad for the scene/foreign scene/unprofessional I say to you remember Bobby Fischer. This guy would show up to tournaments late constantly, forfeit the first 2 matches in bo5, make extravagant demands about playing conditions, and to top it off he was a Jewish Nazi. Yet, he made Chess very popular. People like him are the lifeblood of the sports they compete it in. People love a good story. To be fair Bobby Fischer was a master in his field and we cannot say this about Lilbow. When Parting/MC were doing their "I don't give a shit" stances they were respected as the best players. They were winning, they were innovating meta. Lilbow isn't. And that's the difference. Also remember that this started by Lycan who was very vocal about some places reserved for foreigners and Lilbow now made this a little bit harder to pass. Even if Blizzard will make 2-4 spots in Blizzcon for foreigners Lilbow will be used as an example why this is a bad idea/decision ;-) The WCS system is designed to give an opportunity to foreigners to get to Blizzcon. Lilbow got to Blizzcon. The system works. There is no clause in the WCS system that says "you will magically look like you have a good shot against Life". If you had a good shot against Life, you wouldn't need a WCS system in the first place. I wasn't saying this. I was saying that Lycan (and some other people) wants to have some places at Blizzcon reserved for foreigners. The last time he was saying 4 places. Because otherwise there's a low chance of seeing a foreigner at Blizzcon. Now this idea is damaged by Lilbow because he will be used as an example that we had a foreigner there and look what happened. Or am I missing something? I wasn't against WCS ... not sure, my headache is killing me now, so I am a "little bit" off Well it's a good thing then, four places reserved to foreigners for Blizzcon is a terrible idea. Incontrol(I think) asked Lycan to name 4 competent foreigners. He said Lilbow, Mana, Snute and maybe TLO(I think)... then the case was closed with "we have a problem naming 4 competent players and you want 4 places there?" statement It is not accurate and I am at work and cannot find the episode of TLG where it happened.
I reread your first post and I see what you meant now, I'm sorry I answered way too fast.
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On November 03 2015 23:42 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 23:40 deacon.frost wrote:On November 03 2015 23:37 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 23:35 deacon.frost wrote:On November 03 2015 23:31 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:On November 03 2015 22:03 TRaFFiC wrote:On November 03 2015 20:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"1100+ comments on screddit cause i got cheesed out of a tournament"
Really? Because he got cheesed? Does he actually not get why people are disappointed in him?
That's one heck of a defense mechanism he's got there... that psychological barrier keeping the truth out must be stronger than a planetary fortress... Absolutely because he got cheesed. Do you think we'd be having this discussion if it went 2-3 or 3-2 in his favor and then he tweets that he practiced 2 games? Of course not. People would be praising his talent. To the people saying this is bad for the scene/foreign scene/unprofessional I say to you remember Bobby Fischer. This guy would show up to tournaments late constantly, forfeit the first 2 matches in bo5, make extravagant demands about playing conditions, and to top it off he was a Jewish Nazi. Yet, he made Chess very popular. People like him are the lifeblood of the sports they compete it in. People love a good story. To be fair Bobby Fischer was a master in his field and we cannot say this about Lilbow. When Parting/MC were doing their "I don't give a shit" stances they were respected as the best players. They were winning, they were innovating meta. Lilbow isn't. And that's the difference. Also remember that this started by Lycan who was very vocal about some places reserved for foreigners and Lilbow now made this a little bit harder to pass. Even if Blizzard will make 2-4 spots in Blizzcon for foreigners Lilbow will be used as an example why this is a bad idea/decision ;-) The WCS system is designed to give an opportunity to foreigners to get to Blizzcon. Lilbow got to Blizzcon. The system works. There is no clause in the WCS system that says "you will magically look like you have a good shot against Life". If you had a good shot against Life, you wouldn't need a WCS system in the first place. I wasn't saying this. I was saying that Lycan (and some other people) wants to have some places at Blizzcon reserved for foreigners. The last time he was saying 4 places. Because otherwise there's a low chance of seeing a foreigner at Blizzcon. Now this idea is damaged by Lilbow because he will be used as an example that we had a foreigner there and look what happened. Or am I missing something? I wasn't against WCS ... not sure, my headache is killing me now, so I am a "little bit" off Well it's a good thing then, four places reserved to foreigners for Blizzcon is a terrible idea. Incontrol(I think) asked Lycan to name 4 competent foreigners. He said Lilbow, Mana, Snute and maybe TLO(I think)... then the case was closed with "we have a problem naming 4 competent players and you want 4 places there?" statement It is not accurate and I am at work and cannot find the episode of TLG where it happened. I reread your first post and I see what you meant now, I'm sorry I answered way too fast.
It's cool, I do this all the time too  No harm done and my painkillers are starting to work so I am now really happy
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TLO stated plenty of people were willing to practice with him and he declined.
I have a lot of respect for TLO as it is a player i follow since WoL beta and his random days, yet a little less since he decided to attack Lilbow publicly on Twitter (however I can understand and forgive why he could not resist the urge to do that).
However I find people a little quick on the trigger :
- Who was willing to practice with Lilbow ?
- When ?
- How was the offer turned down ?
- Why ?
Lots of questions unanswered.
How do you spell "hate train" again ? 
ps : And yeah, Mill. staff people, come on protect your player a lil' better, some PR advices should have been given (like just cut off from the internet for 2 weeks" ^^).
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