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AfreecaTV bans matchfixers' streams - Page 6

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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 15:04:04
October 22 2015 15:03 GMT
#101
So can they stream on Twitch now?
tritonice
Profile Joined November 2010
United States119 Posts
October 22 2015 15:06 GMT
#102
Afreeca: "We bought GSL!"

Kespa: "OK! Great news."

Kespa: "Yoda, Gerrard, and ByoongByoong banned for matchfixing"

Afreeca: "We don't care about matchfixers streaming, punishment is not our problem"

Kespa: "No Kespa players in GSL."

Afreeca: "Our bad, matchfixers banned, all's good now, right?"
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10834 Posts
October 22 2015 15:11 GMT
#103
AfreecaTV Fighting
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
October 22 2015 15:19 GMT
#104
disappointing move from afreeca, i guess they have too much invested in gsl to really do anything else given the actions of kespa and the ridiculous sounding levels of backlash in korea, all the while the root causes of matchfixing go untouched, and most of the matchfixers are free to carry on doing whatever they like
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 15:23:34
October 22 2015 15:22 GMT
#105
On October 23 2015 00:06 tritonice wrote:
Afreeca: "We bought GSL!"

Kespa: "OK! Great news."

Kespa: "Yoda, Gerrard, and ByoongByoong banned for matchfixing"

Afreeca: "We don't care about matchfixers streaming, punishment is not our problem"

Kespa: "No Kespa players in GSL."

Afreeca: "Our bad, matchfixers banned, all's good now, right?"


I think they reversed their decision because the fans pressure (all esports fans and media) in South Korea, GSL is not that important for Afrecca because it is SC2 what we are talking about, not LoL, or even BW.
Kespa move was very bad, how could you make a public request before contacting the other company.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12853 Posts
October 22 2015 15:28 GMT
#106
Should have let the viewers choose to watch or not but whatever
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
October 22 2015 15:29 GMT
#107
On October 22 2015 22:51 RHoudini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 21:59 Thouhastmail wrote:
And.. Voila! they chose money that comes from balloons.

No.
They chose ethics, sportsmanship and common sense.

Ethics? Ethics? There's no ethics in this decision, it's a purely moral decision. Sportsmanship is not involved since streaming has nothing to do with matchfixing.
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Zibit
Profile Joined February 2014
United States9 Posts
October 22 2015 15:33 GMT
#108
I figured this decision would be made soon. Regardless of all the fallacious arguments for legality or for punishment...

It's just good business sense, even if I disagree.
ThePacifist
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (South)46 Posts
October 22 2015 15:49 GMT
#109
On October 23 2015 00:03 -Archangel- wrote:
So can they stream on Twitch now?


They can't. Twitch already accepted KeSPA's request.
A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemy.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
October 22 2015 15:52 GMT
#110
time to go make their own streaming service with betting system attached to the chat
ppp
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51247 Posts
October 22 2015 16:14 GMT
#111
On October 23 2015 00:52 supernovamaniac wrote:
time to go make their own streaming service with betting system attached to the chat


call it mafreeca.
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DCStarcraftGall
Profile Joined October 2015
102 Posts
October 22 2015 16:17 GMT
#112
On October 23 2015 00:03 -Archangel- wrote:
So can they stream on Twitch now?

Twitch KR and Azubu also banned.
SGall Believes: Stats has no probe, soO has lost again, D.Va is daughter of Stork, Dark has no league, Stork is fooled by Solar, sOs is a big guy.
DCStarcraftGall
Profile Joined October 2015
102 Posts
October 22 2015 16:24 GMT
#113
I feel I haven't translated all the feelings in Korean community that was expressed when Afreeca has refused. There were two reasons and
1. There were too many cuss words going around and I didn't want any flame wars starting
2. I felt a logical approach would have been better.

I guess I left out all the parts where many Starcraft was basically a national game until 2010, and people who dropped out of the fandom still have a reflexive repulse to matchfixing, which has shook their fond memories.

Ex) They changed back to normal now, but half my Katalk friend's status changed into cuss words after Afreeca's refusal news, and people sent me texts about if SC2 will close down now.
Choya was so overflooded with texts that he had to quit streaming and went to get drunk.
SGall Believes: Stats has no probe, soO has lost again, D.Va is daughter of Stork, Dark has no league, Stork is fooled by Solar, sOs is a big guy.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 22 2015 16:26 GMT
#114
I still haven't seen any explanation as to how this is any different from a lynch mob getting its way and just plain old dirty corporatism trampling over people. Feels like the 1800's, it really does.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
October 22 2015 16:30 GMT
#115
Very good move. No plattform for cheaters/matchfixers etc.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3434 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 16:34:56
October 22 2015 16:32 GMT
#116
I think that's fine.

Punishment for match fixing has too be strict, draconian even. Every player has to understand the risk associated with match fixing; their entire skill set *has* to be rendered completely useless, they shouldn't have any possibility of earning anything playing the game anymore once they go corrupt. This is basically the only real consequence of doing it (actual, long jail time is highly unlikely). The punishment has to be so ridiculously stupid and over the top that nobody will dare to dabble in match fixing anymore.
ItsSalladTime
Profile Joined August 2015
United States2 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 16:37:58
October 22 2015 16:35 GMT
#117
Afreeca was never going to be steadfast in their refusal, especially with a potential boycott, or a KeSPA player ban for their league as a possibility, after seeing the Korean fans response to their refusal they really didn't have a choice.

as an aside, I personally believe you after you've broken the rules like they did, you should have no place in the community whatsoever and should not be able to anything with the game. PERIOD.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
October 22 2015 16:36 GMT
#118
On October 23 2015 01:32 True_Spike wrote:
I think that's fine.

Punishment for match fixing has too be strict, draconian even. Every player has to understand the risk associated with match fixing; their entire skill set *has* to be rendered completely useless, they shouldn't have any possibility of earning anything playing the game anymore once they go corrupt. This is basically the only real consequence of doing it (actual, long jail time is highly unlikely). The punishment has to be so ridiculously stupid and over the top that nobody will dare to dabble in match fixing anymore.

Let's do that for all criminal offenses. Have a nice world.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3434 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 16:44:47
October 22 2015 16:42 GMT
#119
On October 23 2015 01:36 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 01:32 True_Spike wrote:
I think that's fine.

Punishment for match fixing has too be strict, draconian even. Every player has to understand the risk associated with match fixing; their entire skill set *has* to be rendered completely useless, they shouldn't have any possibility of earning anything playing the game anymore once they go corrupt. This is basically the only real consequence of doing it (actual, long jail time is highly unlikely). The punishment has to be so ridiculously stupid and over the top that nobody will dare to dabble in match fixing anymore.

Let's do that for all criminal offenses. Have a nice world.


Except it's not possible in the real world, so there's very little point debating that. In this case, however, it is, due to KeSPA having the strength and connections it does.

It's not the (criminal) act of illegal betting we care about, it's the impact this behaviour has on our gaming scene, it's very integrity. What's punishable by law should be punished within the scope of law, but it does not mean we can't go the extra mile to further protect what we hold dear (believe it or not, impacting the Starcraft scene in a negative fashion is not a criminal offence!). We don't break their legs and dump them in the ocean. I consider this ban nothing more than a healthy precaution (much like keeping convicted pedophiles away from children; it's just reasonable)
pzlama333
Profile Joined April 2013
United States282 Posts
October 22 2015 16:45 GMT
#120
I have a question: did they ban the match-fixers' everything, or only the particular games they cheated?
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