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Based on the official Police investigation, only the above players have been implicated in matchfixing. There is no reason to further accuse other players and teams until we get more information. Incessant blind accusations will not be tolerated. Please read the thread and the updates before posting.

As of page 54 we will be moderating against match fixing accusations for players who were not caught in this incident, including those using voided Pinnacle bets as evidence.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 06:33:26
October 19 2015 06:31 GMT
#841
On October 19 2015 15:29 Magenta1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 14:15 RaymondFish wrote:
On October 19 2015 13:58 Seeker wrote:
Korean police released a pdf document in regards to the arrests.

(T)YoDa
2015 SPL 06-09 match against (P)HerO

2015 Season 1 GSL 02-13:
Code S Ro16 (Gerrard named as well)

2015 Season 2 GSL 04-01 and 05-13:
Code A Ro48
Code S Ro32 (Gerrard named as well)

(Z)BBoongBBoong
2015 SPL 01-20 match against (T)Flash (Gerrard named as well)

Gerrard
December 2014 - March 2015, $57,000 gambling


(T)YoDa
2015 SPL 06-09 match against (P)HerO
+ Show Spoiler +




2015 Season 1 GSL 02-13:
Code S Ro16 (Gerrard named as well)
+ Show Spoiler +

(Life v YoDa Set 1)
(Life v YoDa Set 2)
(YoDa v TY Set 1)
(YoDa v TY Set 2)


2015 Season 2 GSL 04-01 and 05-13:
Code A Ro48
+ Show Spoiler +

(YoDa v DRG Part 1)
(YoDa v DRG Part 2)
Code S Ro32 (Gerrard named as well)
(YoDa v Bbyong)
NOT FOUND (YoDa v Symbol)


(Z)BBoongBBoong
2015 SPL 01-20 match against (T)Flash (Gerrard named as well)
+ Show Spoiler +




The commentary and random comments from the commentators in the various Yoda matches are interesting, by the way they say he made "questionable decisions" and "sloppy plays", etc. The reason for those questionable decisions and sloppy plays are obvious in retrospect. I just hope we don't end up with a situation where every questionable decision or bad play by a player is greeted with instant accusations of throwing matches and match-fixing. Even high-level players can make mistakes. I suppose that's part of why match-fixing is so bad: it threatens the integrity of the game and its public perception.


Sadly we're already way past the point where people are claiming every other sloppy play is the result of match-fixing.

On October 19 2015 15:31 RPR_Tempest wrote:
This should basically prove MarineKing's innocence, right? People were like "WELL EVEN IF KESPA FOUND EVIDENCE THERE'S NO WAY THEY WOULD RELEASE IT" well what now guys?

We'll wait and see over the next few weeks but it makes me happy that me and the other few people actually using logic and knowing how MarineKing played appeared to have been correct.


It won't change anything. People will just say he wasn't caught.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5653 Posts
October 19 2015 06:32 GMT
#842
On October 19 2015 14:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 14:49 rotta wrote:
Not the thread I was expecting to wake up to...

Can Prime go any lower than this?

Considering all their players either left or are now under arrest and they effectively don't exist, I'd say this is as low as it gets.

They could drag other teams and the game with them. I hope this is just about them.
don't wall off against random
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
October 19 2015 06:32 GMT
#843
This is so painfully sad... YoDa, my God... I hope sc2 can live through this.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
October 19 2015 06:33 GMT
#844
Really Gerrad.... I really respected you as a coach for PRIME back in the day too..
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
October 19 2015 06:34 GMT
#845
so they payed B4 to throw a game, but even if he was willing to win i'm sure he would still have lost haha
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
October 19 2015 06:34 GMT
#846
On October 19 2015 15:31 RPR_Tempest wrote:
This should basically prove MarineKing's innocence, right? People were like "WELL EVEN IF KESPA FOUND EVIDENCE THERE'S NO WAY THEY WOULD RELEASE IT" well what now guys?

We'll wait and see over the next few weeks but it makes me happy that me and the other few people actually using logic and knowing how MarineKing played appeared to have been correct.

haha so naive
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
October 19 2015 06:34 GMT
#847
Anyway, Prime has always been one of my favourite teams in SC2 and I cheered for them in Proleague too. This is pretty god damn sad. I'll remember Prime for Creator, MarineKing, Check, Polt, Maka and HongUn back in 2011 and not the match fixing mess it became towards the end. Fuck you Gerrard. Fucking asshole
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5653 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 06:35:39
October 19 2015 06:35 GMT
#848
Is this enough for Lorning to change his flair?
don't wall off against random
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 19 2015 06:35 GMT
#849
I always knew gerrard was rotten, he was taking MKP and Creator's winnings years ago.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10569 Posts
October 19 2015 06:35 GMT
#850
well.... god damn it.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12064 Posts
October 19 2015 06:36 GMT
#851
On October 19 2015 15:33 MooMooMugi wrote:
Really Gerrad.... I really respected you as a coach for PRIME back in the day too..


If Gerrard was really that desperate to try and save Prime it's not too hard to understand why he'd resort to match fixing.
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
October 19 2015 06:36 GMT
#852
let's fund a mob in korea so they burn the previous prime office
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
October 19 2015 06:37 GMT
#853
Glad to see mkp wasn't involved in this. Always knew he was innocent and just had a bad day. Plus kespa already investigated and found no funny business. Won't stop the conspiracy theorists from believing otherwise though.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13326 Posts
October 19 2015 06:39 GMT
#854
What a shitty news to wake up to. Hopefully this won't destroy the Korean scene
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 19 2015 06:40 GMT
#855
Moderatorlickypiddy
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
October 19 2015 06:40 GMT
#856
On October 19 2015 15:15 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 15:07 Tanzklaue wrote:
the human in me is saddened by this turn of events, as matchfixing of any form hurts sc2's standing in korea and the world.

the cynicist in me wonders who would pay prime and its players any amount of money to lose matches vs arguably top of the line korean players?


The bets were mostly on over/under (game time), not necessarily on who wins or loses.


That makes a bit more sense, as they were all games you would highly expect them to have lost anyway.

Though this might explain that time they sent BBBB out for an ace match in Round 4. (And why he was playing so much.)
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
October 19 2015 06:41 GMT
#857
Props to KeSPA and the Korean police for finding out about the matchfixing. I mean, Prime's so bad that they'll probably get stomped anyway, would look like business as usual to anyone else.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 06:42:45
October 19 2015 06:41 GMT
#858
Watching (T)YoDa vs (P)HerO and one of the comments from the casters was "Yoda just was never really confident enough to take a big engagement" and it's breaking my heart

On October 19 2015 15:40 NovemberstOrm wrote:
https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/655995704905768960

Oh god please make it stop
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 19 2015 06:44 GMT
#859
Wow, ouch. For a few thousand bucks two pros put their existence to the line. Good bye, Prime. I have to say though that it feels good that KeSPA and prosecutors caught these guys. This is the right thing to restore trust in the games and the business.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 06:47:23
October 19 2015 06:44 GMT
#860
Mixed feelings on these news. As one of the "doubters" (Swoopae was right :o), it feels good that some of the fixers are finally getting caught. On the other hand, I would just be happier if there was no match fixing.


Other than these (Yoda, B4 and PRIME in general), the other players who had weird betting patterns on Pinnacle are, iirc:

MarineKing, San, Soulkey, Super and Innovation.



So this does not mean all of these are confirmed match fixers, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of them are among the ones. One player being favored to win a certain map but lose the entire series and that happening every single time is just impossible.

edit:

And what the heck is this:



Wolf is one of the ones who clearly stated that there's no match fixing going on. Now when it's confirmed, instead of admitting he was wrong or doing something useful he just teases the community with "you don't wanna know who's on the list!!!".

Feels like he just wants to feel important, showing off that he's "in the know".
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