Based on the official Police investigation, only the above players have been implicated in matchfixing. There is no reason to further accuse other players and teams until we get more information. Incessant blind accusations will not be tolerated. Please read the thread and the updates before posting.
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The commentary and random comments from the commentators in the various Yoda matches are interesting, by the way they say he made "questionable decisions" and "sloppy plays", etc. The reason for those questionable decisions and sloppy plays are obvious in retrospect. I just hope we don't end up with a situation where every questionable decision or bad play by a player is greeted with instant accusations of throwing matches and match-fixing. Even high-level players can make mistakes. I suppose that's part of why match-fixing is so bad: it threatens the integrity of the game and its public perception.
Sadly we're already way past the point where people are claiming every other sloppy play is the result of match-fixing.
On October 19 2015 15:31 RPR_Tempest wrote: This should basically prove MarineKing's innocence, right? People were like "WELL EVEN IF KESPA FOUND EVIDENCE THERE'S NO WAY THEY WOULD RELEASE IT" well what now guys?
We'll wait and see over the next few weeks but it makes me happy that me and the other few people actually using logic and knowing how MarineKing played appeared to have been correct.
It won't change anything. People will just say he wasn't caught.
On October 19 2015 15:31 RPR_Tempest wrote: This should basically prove MarineKing's innocence, right? People were like "WELL EVEN IF KESPA FOUND EVIDENCE THERE'S NO WAY THEY WOULD RELEASE IT" well what now guys?
We'll wait and see over the next few weeks but it makes me happy that me and the other few people actually using logic and knowing how MarineKing played appeared to have been correct.
Anyway, Prime has always been one of my favourite teams in SC2 and I cheered for them in Proleague too. This is pretty god damn sad. I'll remember Prime for Creator, MarineKing, Check, Polt, Maka and HongUn back in 2011 and not the match fixing mess it became towards the end. Fuck you Gerrard. Fucking asshole
Glad to see mkp wasn't involved in this. Always knew he was innocent and just had a bad day. Plus kespa already investigated and found no funny business. Won't stop the conspiracy theorists from believing otherwise though.
On October 19 2015 15:07 Tanzklaue wrote: the human in me is saddened by this turn of events, as matchfixing of any form hurts sc2's standing in korea and the world.
the cynicist in me wonders who would pay prime and its players any amount of money to lose matches vs arguably top of the line korean players?
The bets were mostly on over/under (game time), not necessarily on who wins or loses.
That makes a bit more sense, as they were all games you would highly expect them to have lost anyway.
Though this might explain that time they sent BBBB out for an ace match in Round 4. (And why he was playing so much.)
Props to KeSPA and the Korean police for finding out about the matchfixing. I mean, Prime's so bad that they'll probably get stomped anyway, would look like business as usual to anyone else.
Watching YoDa vs HerO and one of the comments from the casters was "Yoda just was never really confident enough to take a big engagement" and it's breaking my heart
Wow, ouch. For a few thousand bucks two pros put their existence to the line. Good bye, Prime. I have to say though that it feels good that KeSPA and prosecutors caught these guys. This is the right thing to restore trust in the games and the business.
Mixed feelings on these news. As one of the "doubters" (Swoopae was right :o), it feels good that some of the fixers are finally getting caught. On the other hand, I would just be happier if there was no match fixing.
Other than these (Yoda, B4 and PRIME in general), the other players who had weird betting patterns on Pinnacle are, iirc:
MarineKing, San, Soulkey, Super and Innovation.
So this does not mean all of these are confirmed match fixers, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of them are among the ones. One player being favored to win a certain map but lose the entire series and that happening every single time is just impossible.
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And what the heck is this:
Wolf is one of the ones who clearly stated that there's no match fixing going on. Now when it's confirmed, instead of admitting he was wrong or doing something useful he just teases the community with "you don't wanna know who's on the list!!!".
Feels like he just wants to feel important, showing off that he's "in the know".
EPT
