EPTnews about WCS 2016? I do not remember the date last year, so sorry for the inconvenience guys.
Foreign SC2 doesn't need WCS, it needs a Proleague - Page 3
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IceBerrY
Germany220 Posts
news about WCS 2016? I do not remember the date last year, so sorry for the inconvenience guys. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On October 19 2015 05:07 IceBerrY wrote: Just by the way, ( not wanting to make a thread for a single question) when can we expect to get news about WCS 2016? I do not remember the date last year, so sorry for the inconvenience guys. Probably at Blizzcon during the 'Future of SC2' panel. | ||
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lestye
United States4209 Posts
On October 19 2015 06:22 ZAiNs wrote: Probably at Blizzcon during the 'Future of SC2' panel. My bet is on December or Early 2016. They don't talk about the future of WCS. I think that panel is going to be mostly about the game itself. but we'll see I guess. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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orituredaobi
16 Posts
i think.yes,EU and NA also need one,even global League. it will help sc2 be more prosperity and funny | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Proleague killed any interest whatsoever in the Korean scene for me. For the little amount of SC2 I still watch I'd prefer it if they could keep their hands off it, thanks. | ||
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lestye
United States4209 Posts
On October 19 2015 11:47 -Celestial- wrote: Please. No. Proleague killed any interest whatsoever in the Korean scene for me. For the little amount of SC2 I still watch I'd prefer it if they could keep their hands off it, thanks. What? How? whats it taking away? | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
It killed the GSTL. Which, after WCS turned the GSL into something really wonky and much less frequent, was pretty much the only thing I had any interest left in. Proleague and WCS between them basically killed my interest in SC2. I only occasionally watch anymore. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On October 19 2015 22:28 -Celestial- wrote: It killed the GSTL. Which, after WCS turned the GSL into something really wonky and much less frequent, was pretty much the only thing I had any interest left in. Not sure if I understand how proleague affected any of those... | ||
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Elentos
55581 Posts
On October 19 2015 22:28 -Celestial- wrote: It killed the GSTL. Which, after WCS turned the GSL into something really wonky and much less frequent, was pretty much the only thing I had any interest left in. Proleague and WCS between them basically killed my interest in SC2. I only occasionally watch anymore. That's not because of Proleague itself, it's because the Korean non-KeSPA teams keep dying (and GOM). In 2013 there was both GSTL and Proleague, for example. | ||
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fenrysk
United States364 Posts
On October 19 2015 22:31 WrathSCII wrote: Not sure if I understand how proleague affected any of those... When proleague switched fully to SC2, a couple of the teams that competed in GSTL switched over to compete in Proleague, leaving not enough teams for GSTL (other teams like SlayerS were disbanding over internal conflicts at that time too). GOM eventually canceled GSTL, but competition in the team league space from Proleague was a factor. That's about as much as I remember, I'm sure someone else can explain more clearly. I'm also a bit nostalgic for the old high-frequency GSL tournaments. | ||
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lestye
United States4209 Posts
On October 19 2015 22:48 fenrysk wrote: When proleague switched fully to SC2, a couple of the teams that competed in GSTL switched over to compete in Proleague, leaving not enough teams for GSTL (other teams like SlayerS were disbanding over internal conflicts at that time too). GOM eventually canceled GSTL, but competition in the team league space from Proleague was a factor. That's about as much as I remember, I'm sure someone else can explain more clearly. I'm also a bit nostalgic for the old high-frequency GSL tournaments. Yeah, but that was inevitable. ESF was a joke compared to Kespa and didn't do enough for the teams. Proleague was on actual TV was way better for exposure for Koreans. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On October 19 2015 22:48 fenrysk wrote: When proleague switched fully to SC2, a couple of the teams that competed in GSTL switched over to compete in Proleague, leaving not enough teams for GSTL (other teams like SlayerS were disbanding over internal conflicts at that time too). GOM eventually canceled GSTL, but competition in the team league space from Proleague was a factor. That's about as much as I remember, I'm sure someone else can explain more clearly. I'm also a bit nostalgic for the old high-frequency GSL tournaments. Pretty much this. Proleague and the WCS were the absolute worst things to ever happen to SC2 viewing. Simultaneously murdering the GSTL and nuking the regular GSL competition to a scant handful of tournaments which were now no longer "the big thing" but merely a lead up to the WCS finals. On October 19 2015 22:38 Elentos wrote:...it's because the Korean non-KeSPA teams keep dying (and GOM). In 2013 there was both GSTL and Proleague, for example. Because of Proleague. And 2013 was the last year I actually regularly watched SC2 week-on-week. Proleague is basically unwatchable for me, the format is awful. Anyway, no, the foreign scene absolutely does not need a Proleague to come along and do what it did to the Korean scene. | ||
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lestye
United States4209 Posts
Anyway, no, the foreign scene absolutely does not need a Proleague to come along and do what it did to the Korean scene. Proleague is way bigger in Korea than GSTL ever was. It may have decreased your personal interest in the Korean scene, but it was a net gain for the scene overall. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On October 20 2015 04:01 lestye wrote: I can't believe you just said that. You're a huge fan of GSTL, but hated Proleague. The whole point of OP was to make a team league for SC2 in the west. In this hypothetical, we could have the GSTL format. We could use the LCS format. Who cares because we don't even have a teamleague at this point. The OP is titled "Foreign SC2 doesn't need WCS, it needs a Proleague". Not "Foreign SC2 needs a team league". Its pretty clear to see where he's going with it. And actually no I didn't "hate" Proleague. I never have, not really. I was just totally disinterested. Didn't like the production style, didn't like the format. So I didn't watch it. My dislike comes from the IMPACT both WCS and Proleague have had on the scene, not the tournaments themselves. Proleague is way bigger in Korea than GSTL ever was. It may have decreased your personal interest in the Korean scene, but it was a net gain for the scene overall. Perhaps. But its not actually my job to judge which is a better business strategy. Rather I was a paying customer supporting the scene who put money in because I wanted to see it keep going and now I'm not. And the reason for that is entirely because Proleague and the WCS have taken it in a direction that I dislike. And honestly I find it to be a rather regressive direction. From the more international focus of GOM back to Korea-first. Frankly this "what you like is WRONG" thing is quite...well...I don't think I want to continue discussion anymore. So have a nice day, I'm out of this thread now. | ||
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lestye
United States4209 Posts
On October 20 2015 04:45 -Celestial- wrote: The OP is titled "Foreign SC2 doesn't need WCS, it needs a Proleague". Not "Foreign SC2 needs a team league". Its pretty clear to see where he's going with it. And actually no I didn't "hate" Proleague. I never have, not really. I was just totally disinterested. Didn't like the production style, didn't like the format. So I didn't watch it. My dislike comes from the IMPACT both WCS and Proleague have had on the scene, not the tournaments themselves. Perhaps. But its not actually my job to judge which is a better business strategy. Rather I was a paying customer supporting the scene who put money in because I wanted to see it keep going and now I'm not. And the reason for that is entirely because Proleague and the WCS have taken it in a direction that I dislike. And honestly I find it to be a rather regressive direction. From the more international focus of GOM back to Korea-first. Frankly this "what you like is WRONG" thing is quite...well...I don't think I want to continue discussion anymore. So have a nice day, I'm out of this thread now. Umm context? He did specifically say Proleague, but the entire point of this thread was for an off-line teamleague. That's what his entire thread basically says. It has nothing to do with "your opinion is WRONG" more like your reasoning behind your objection is incredibly short-sighted to what OP thinks is the right direction for foreign sc2. Obviously the product style and the format would be completely open and not constrained to actual proleague. OP didn't flaunt the format or the production. OP wanted a long running team league that's not single elimination for the EU/NA. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
@Nazgul and others: Yes, this would obviously require a large amount of direct investment from Blizzard. My argument is that, if foreign SC2 is to be sustainable and produce strong players, that's completely necessary at this point. Whether that is something that makes financial sense for Blizzard, or whether they want to or will do it, is not a question I can answer. The idea is that it would be enough money to encourage not just existing teams to set up shop in LA or wherever, but to encourage new teams to form. LoL has already proven that if you build it, they will come, in both the US and Europe. | ||
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iMrising
United States1099 Posts
On October 18 2015 21:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Of course you are completely right, but because Korea is all located in Seoul, and they have a local audience to market to, it is actually viable commercially (and even that might be questionable). To introduce this in the foreign scene is sadly completely unrealistic. At this point very few teams even field a serious lineup. Not only would Blizzard have to set up a Proleague itself it would also have to give incentive to teams to invest into salaries. Internally our players and staff had been playing around with the thought of suggesting to Blizzard to turn Challenger into an online League. For example two groups of 16 or four groups of 8 and the higher you finish the further you get placed into the playoff bracket. This would be many times better for players to stay motivated over time. Currently whenever a player loses in WCS motivation is gone for the next few months. Just a thought. Agree with pretty much everything you said. One of the things I loved about MLG was how Pool play determined how high up you were in the championship bracket. I think this will add a lot more interest and flavor into challenger league. | ||
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