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Greatest Players of All Time: Part 3 - Page 6

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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-25 17:46:21
April 25 2015 17:45 GMT
#101
Number 2 will probably be Life, and first will be MVP. There'll probably be a disclaimer saying Life has the potentiality to surpass MVP so long as his wrist, wits and hunger continues; Or Life will be first place partly because of his potential to overcome MVP, the King of Wings and become the Heart of Hearts.

As an aside, I'd love it if there was an even bigger list or another one with different criteria. I've thoroughly enjoyed reading all of these :D
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sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
April 25 2015 17:46 GMT
#102
ITT: ppl that are easily convinced and delusional to agree with 3rd ranking. lets not mention in the article all the dips TaeJa had in his career. lets just blast MC for an illusion of fair comparison and call out "liquid bias" before-hand because deep inside, you know that there was in fact some bias involved.
terrible, terrible, damage
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
April 25 2015 17:47 GMT
#103
On April 26 2015 02:46 sc2chronic wrote:
ITT: ppl that are easily convinced and delusional to agree with 3rd ranking. lets not mention in the article all the dips TaeJa had in his career. lets just blast MC for an illusion of fair comparison and call out "liquid bias" before-hand because deep inside, you know that there was in fact some bias involved.


Everyone knows taeja isn't top 3 or even top 10, it's just an opinion piece, its whatever
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
April 25 2015 17:47 GMT
#104
On April 26 2015 02:43 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 02:33 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On April 26 2015 02:29 Elentos wrote:
On April 26 2015 02:28 LongShot27 wrote:
On April 26 2015 02:21 Scarecrow wrote:
MC made it in Korea and won more money overall. I just can't see how he can be behind Taeja, who was never that special in proleague or GSL.


After the whos number 1, it all comes down to personal opinion, theres not much of a difference between 10th and 3rd, everyone has very similar skills at the points in their careers we consider them their best

I'd argue that if stuchiu based it on skill alone the list would look very different and that greatest doesn't equal best.


If skill was all there is to SC2, MarineKing and INno would be near the top, and Polt would be way lower. Just because you have skill doesn't guarantee results


Polt would be lower if it was skill? yeah k sure

I think he's talking about mechanical skill.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 25 2015 17:52 GMT
#105
On April 26 2015 02:21 Ardias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 05:04 Ardias wrote:
Well, that's what I came up with:
10. Polt
9. Rain
8. Innovation
7. Nestea
6. Zest
5. MMA
4. MC
3. TaeJa
2. Mvp
1. Life


And we have top 10 of:
10. Rain
9. Innovation
8. Zest
7. Nestea
6. MMA
5. Polt
4. MC
3. Taeja
1/2. Life/Mvp without any doubt.

Damn I was close, but high underestimation of Polt failed me. Still happy that i was correct about the abscence of Parting in this list.


Yea not putting Parting is actually really impressive in retrospect.
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InExcelsis
Profile Joined May 2013
United States38 Posts
April 25 2015 17:55 GMT
#106
What is this nonsense Taeja at 3 WTF? Yeah who cares if he has a crap ton of titles he never won in Korea with the big boys just a bunch of less competitive European events. I guess Homestory Cup and Dreamhack are more prestigious than GSL absurd you put a 2 time GSL champion behind Taeja MC is much better. Your "Criteria" makes no sense in this situation Taeja should be 6th or 5th at best this is just a joke and has destroyed the credibility of this article.
Roadog
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1670 Posts
April 25 2015 17:56 GMT
#107
Polt didn't get 2nd in the 2014 IEM WC, he lost to herO in the semifinals
sOs fan. Zerg just seem to have the most...potential. Dubbo Robo Colo! Why I play Protoss: Stalkers, bacon, toilets and mama -- Chelsea FC
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
April 25 2015 17:58 GMT
#108
On April 26 2015 02:55 InExcelsis wrote:
What is this nonsense Taeja at 3 WTF? Yeah who cares if he has a crap ton of titles he never won in Korea with the big boys just a bunch of less competitive European events. I guess Homestory Cup and Dreamhack are more prestigious than GSL absurd you put a 2 time GSL champion behind Taeja MC is much better. Your "Criteria" makes no sense in this situation Taeja should be 6th or 5th at best this is just a joke and has destroyed the credibility of this article.

He dedicated about half the TaeJa section to what you're complaining about.
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PinheadXXXXXX
Profile Joined February 2012
United States897 Posts
April 25 2015 17:58 GMT
#109
On April 26 2015 02:55 InExcelsis wrote:
What is this nonsense Taeja at 3 WTF? Yeah who cares if he has a crap ton of titles he never won in Korea with the big boys just a bunch of less competitive European events. I guess Homestory Cup and Dreamhack are more prestigious than GSL absurd you put a 2 time GSL champion behind Taeja MC is much better. Your "Criteria" makes no sense in this situation Taeja should be 6th or 5th at best this is just a joke and has destroyed the credibility of this article.

His criteria is clearly explained if you read the article, and I don't see a hole in it. Do you?
Taeja the one true Byunjwa~
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 25 2015 18:00 GMT
#110
On April 26 2015 02:56 Roadog wrote:
Polt didn't get 2nd in the 2014 IEM WC, he lost to herO in the semifinals


Updated that, thanks.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
April 25 2015 18:00 GMT
#111
On April 26 2015 02:58 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 02:55 InExcelsis wrote:
What is this nonsense Taeja at 3 WTF? Yeah who cares if he has a crap ton of titles he never won in Korea with the big boys just a bunch of less competitive European events. I guess Homestory Cup and Dreamhack are more prestigious than GSL absurd you put a 2 time GSL champion behind Taeja MC is much better. Your "Criteria" makes no sense in this situation Taeja should be 6th or 5th at best this is just a joke and has destroyed the credibility of this article.

His criteria is clearly explained if you read the article, and I don't see a hole in it. Do you?

But accepting that is no fun! I'd rather look at the rank and complain without reading!
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
April 25 2015 18:00 GMT
#112
I don't agree with Taeja third. Simply makes no sense
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Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
April 25 2015 18:06 GMT
#113
The polt writeup was beautiful. At this point, it's a guess as to whether Mvp is #1 or Life. I'm thinking it's going to be the King.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-25 18:11:05
April 25 2015 18:09 GMT
#114
While I agree that Polt and MMA are incredibly close, I don't entirely agree with your assessment/pairing of tournaments. Notably, this stood out to me:

IPL 5 - 3rd - YoDa, Creator, loss to Leenock, Sniper, Bomber, loss to viOLet
vs.
GSL 2011 October - 1st - loss to Nestea, Happy, Mvp (Finals higher prestige)
Iron Squid 1 - 1st - Jjakji, pre-Champion Life, loss to MaNa, aLive, Symbol

You really think that 3rd at IPL 5 beats out a first in a GSL? Would like to hear more about this. Even the players MMA beat along the way are more impressive in my opinion, notably an Mvp in his prime at TvT. Honestly, I think WCS 2015 (which you said were unable to pair with anything, but doesn't add that much in terms of victories against top opponents) and IPL 5 is a reasonable matchup with GSL and Iron Squid.

Furthermore, and I don't know if you addressed this anywhere, but your ranking seems to completely ignore team league results. Polt has essentially no results in this regard, while MMA was a team league monster at two seperate times (the driving force behind two GSTL wins and a big part of Acer's success in ATC. I think that easily pushes the comparison into MMA's favor.
InExcelsis
Profile Joined May 2013
United States38 Posts
April 25 2015 18:09 GMT
#115
On April 26 2015 02:58 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 02:55 InExcelsis wrote:
What is this nonsense Taeja at 3 WTF? Yeah who cares if he has a crap ton of titles he never won in Korea with the big boys just a bunch of less competitive European events. I guess Homestory Cup and Dreamhack are more prestigious than GSL absurd you put a 2 time GSL champion behind Taeja MC is much better. Your "Criteria" makes no sense in this situation Taeja should be 6th or 5th at best this is just a joke and has destroyed the credibility of this article.

His criteria is clearly explained if you read the article, and I don't see a hole in it. Do you?


Yep the "HOLE" is you don't WIN a GSL you don't make top 5 that simple in my mind. Someone else already complained about it but putting Dreamhacks, and IEM's in the same boat as a GSL title is silly GSL needs to be its own tier and given more credit. So yeah following "his criteria" guess there isn't a hole and Taeja is properly placed but that still doesn't make it right at least imo. It is just silly cause if you ask any knowledgeable Starcraft player "Do you think Taeja is the 3rd best player ever?" I would venture to say 99% would say NO. He has 1 GSL top 4 finish in his life I'm sorry but I don't care how many IEM's,Dreamhacks, Homestory Cups, Asus ROG's you win if you don't win the hardest tournament you can't be top 5 all time.
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
April 25 2015 18:09 GMT
#116
taeja 3rd ROFL
shiroiusagi
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
April 25 2015 18:10 GMT
#117
On April 26 2015 02:47 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 02:46 sc2chronic wrote:
ITT: ppl that are easily convinced and delusional to agree with 3rd ranking. lets not mention in the article all the dips TaeJa had in his career. lets just blast MC for an illusion of fair comparison and call out "liquid bias" before-hand because deep inside, you know that there was in fact some bias involved.


Everyone knows taeja isn't top 3 or even top 10, it's just an opinion piece, its whatever


Why shouldn't he be top 10.

Can't really argue with his achievements. I am pretty sure a lot of the top 10 isn't as decorated as TaeJa. He was fairly dominate in 2013 into 2014 halfway.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TaeJa#Achievements
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Darthsanta13
Profile Joined July 2011
United States564 Posts
April 25 2015 18:12 GMT
#118
I came here to argue about opinions, mine is the best, people who disagree with me are dumb
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
April 25 2015 18:13 GMT
#119
Damn, I was not so close, but at least, I forgot no one

On April 12 2015 09:16 fezvez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 03:36 Zealously wrote:
CAN YOU GUESS THE PLAYERS THAT WILL BE IN PART 2?

I'll buy you 3 months of TL+ if you guess right, 6 if you get the order right


Allright then! From 10 to 1 :

Polt
Rain
Taeja
Zest
INnoVation

MMA
MC
Nestea
Life
Mvp


That Nestea pushed back to the end of the rankings... I think he is the Savior of the Zerg race, he just codified how to play it (in the same way that Life did what JD did)
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
April 25 2015 18:13 GMT
#120
Fucking got the top 5 perfectly
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