On April 26 2015 21:09 YuiHirasawa wrote:
That's funny I remember games from MMA, MC, Mvp, Life, Parting, Innovation; games that made me think I LOVE STARCRAFT.
Yet I don't remember ONE game from Taeja that made me react that way.

You know there is an entire list of his greatest games in the article?

Muffloe

Sweden6061 Posts

April 26 2015 14:51 GMT

#362

I don't agree with Taeja's placement either(Taeja over MC? someones been trippin'), but Taeja vs Innovation is still the greatest sc2 match of all time

stuchiu

Fiddler's Green42661 Posts

April 26 2015 14:56 GMT

#363

On April 26 2015 22:10 Mallidon wrote:
Not sure how Taeja beat MC here...

Looking at some of the criteria though I'd debate some of the Tier ratings really. IEM 2012 World Championship is Tier 3, really? Based on what? The players at it were arguably a lot better than most MLG's or NASL and the prize pool a lot higher than many of your Tier 2 (MLG Championships etc) and almost comparable with T1.

I simply put, just do not agree with the tier ratings here.

Prize Pool did not factor in.

Here are the relevant players that went here:
Top 10 Z Violet
Top 10 T Puma
Top 10 T Supernova
Top 5 T MMA
Top 5 P MC
Maybe Top 10 P in JYP and Killer

Now let me show you a tier 1 MLG (MLG Provdence):

DRG - Top 3 Z
Top 5 T - MMA
Top 5 T - Bomber
Top 5 T - Puma (The difference was he was in his prime here while at IEM he fell off)
Top 10 T - Rain
Top 5 P - Naniwa
Top 5 P - Huk
Top 5 P - HerO
Top 5 P - Oz
Top 10 P - Puzzle
Top 1 T - Mvp
Top 10 T - Ganzi
Top 5 T - MKP
Top 10 T - sC
Top 10 T - Keen
Top 5 Z - Losira
Top 10 Z - idra
Top 3 Z - Leenock
Top 3 Z - Nestea
Top 10 Z - Violet
And Haypro played the tournament of his life.

If you can convince me that IEM was on the same level as one of the tier 1 tournaments I listed, please go ahead.

SNSeigifried

United States1640 Posts

April 26 2015 14:58 GMT

#364

I feel like stuchiu forgot about PartinG when making this list haha but overall good list

nimdil

Poland3748 Posts

April 26 2015 15:01 GMT

#365

No, 2012 wasn't really stacked by any maesure. Their most prestigious players were MC and MMA. But beside that - PuMa was already declining, viOLet was best of the rest - and the rest was definitely not championship caliber. NASL3 is also tier 3. NASL1 players were - at the time - fairly strong.

stuchiu

Fiddler's Green42661 Posts

April 26 2015 15:03 GMT

#366

Oh here is a tier 2 MLG (Anaheim 2014):

Trap - Top 5 P (Played at that level)
Polt - Top 5 T
Stardust - Top 10 P
HerO - Top 10 P
Alicia - ? Hard to rate, but he rates somewhere between Top 15- top 10,
Bomber - Top 5 T
Heart - Top 10 T
Hyun - Top 5 Z
Jaedong - Top 10 Z
DRG - Top 5 Z
Life - Top 5 Z
Leenock - Top 10 Z
And this is without listing the increased depth of middle tier players.

So if you can convince me that IEM WC was better than this, than please do.

Haighstrom

United Kingdom197 Posts

April 26 2015 15:03 GMT

#367

Well I was enjoying this series until Taeja was ranked #3, and the credibility of the whole thing fell to pieces as badly as Taeja did when he had to play in Korea again.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

April 26 2015 15:22 GMT

#368

I never understood the preparation format argument, it may be more entertaining sure but I would argue that beating the same amount of people all in one day is much more challenging and demanding then coming up with a way to beat them over the course of a week Of course, i don't really think Taeja deserves to be 3, maybe 4 or 5, but not 3.

lichter

1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts

April 26 2015 15:23 GMT

#369

i should start writing in people's mod notes when it's obvious they don't read articles and just comment anyway

Bagration

United States18282 Posts

April 26 2015 15:24 GMT

#370

MMA and Polt being that close...wouldn't MMA's teamleague accomplishments carry him over? Now granted I understand that teamleagues weren't part of the criteria, but MMA was the ace that won Slayers back to back GSTL titles, and a consistent star all three seasons in the Acer Teamstory Cup

That's got to count for something

Promised_pain

Finland57 Posts

April 26 2015 15:29 GMT

#371

On April 26 2015 19:42 Thrillz wrote:

Show nested quote +

Peak Bogus is still till this day the scariest period imo

Peak Hellbat dropper, lol.

imre

France9263 Posts

April 26 2015 15:34 GMT

#372

On April 27 2015 00:23 lichter wrote:
i should start writing in people's mod notes when it's obvious they don't read articles and just comment anyway

after the pleasure of reading stutchiu it would be those articles second achievement

necate

12 Posts

April 26 2015 15:36 GMT

#373

Taeja VS Innovation WCS Seasonal Finals 2013 Set 3

Arguably the best TvT of SC2 History

On April 27 2015 00:03 Haighstrom wrote:
Well I was enjoying this series until Taeja was ranked #3, and the credibility of the whole thing fell to pieces as badly as Taeja did when he had to play in Korea again.

Taeja has shown that he can do well in GSL bevore the Start of WCS with two semifinals and other decent finishes. Just because he never won one before he left for WCS America does not mean that he never did well. Its stupid to critisise his rank in an all time list, based on a few games he played in 2015. Especially considering that he did not go to any other torunaments and might even be in semi retirement. MVP also dropped out of GSL and failed to qualify for multiple seasons after his time as a top player. That does not demish his other achievments. The same is true for Taejas recent results

Kevn23

United States80 Posts

April 26 2015 16:05 GMT

#374

No Flash?? what..
But Soo or Jaedong with so many 2nd place finishes; I'd thought at least one of them would be in the top 15.

Darkhorse

United States23455 Posts

April 26 2015 16:11 GMT

#375

Then my friend I don't think you have watched Taeja play. Taeja vs Inno WCS Season 2 global finals 2013, Taeja vs Zest game 3 IEM Toronto, Taeja vs Life (many times) Taeja vs soO, Taeja vs Rain were all amazing and are listed for your pleasure in the OP

That doesn't even include some fantastic games from IPL TAC 3 like Taeja vs MKP or Taeja vs Bomber

On April 27 2015 01:05 Kevn23 wrote:
No Flash?? what..
But Soo or Jaedong with so many 2nd place finishes; I'd thought at least one of them would be in the top 15.

soO was #12

Fanatic-Templar

Canada5819 Posts

April 26 2015 16:15 GMT

#376

Didn't he play that base trade vs. Protoss where the Protoss had the poor idea of taking his new base at the natural of Foxtrot Labs and got completely destroyed?

'Cause that was a great game.

The_Templar

your Country52797 Posts

April 26 2015 16:16 GMT

#377

On April 27 2015 01:15 Fanatic-Templar wrote:

Show nested quote +

Didn't he play that base trade vs. Protoss where the Protoss had the poor idea of taking his new base at the natural of Foxtrot Labs and got completely destroyed?

'Cause that was a great game.

Yep, against Zest in IEM Toronto, game 3. TaeJa played that incredibly well.

Psychotikah

Canada101 Posts

April 26 2015 16:19 GMT

#378

There rankings were a blast to read. Thank you for the effort

Now for the obligatory personal opinion, Leenock (or sOs at 16th for that matter) over Parting seems off... I can't fathom how Parting isn't part of a top 15 sc2 players. But I obviously didn't put as much though and effort in this as you did. (Polt is pretty high too imo)

I think Taeja deserves that #3 though. At his peak (and it was a hell of a long one) he was god like in those week end tournies. It takes a special set of skills (and cool) to always destroy the opposition time after time.

Kudos!

Vertical

Indonesia4317 Posts

April 26 2015 16:42 GMT

#379

Mvp vs Life