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Greatest Players of All Time: Part 2 - Page 8

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Koromon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States304 Posts
April 18 2015 17:42 GMT
#141
And hey! I actually guessed the 5 right! (My edit was well before this was posted... right? and that's okay?) Off by Nestea/MMA :'( But I'm "happy"? I do like MMA more
tjtombo
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
April 18 2015 17:43 GMT
#142
On April 19 2015 01:10 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 01:08 JoshSuth wrote:
There are still SIX players missing that should be in the Top 15...
herO
PartinG
MC
TaeJa
Life
Mvp

Which one didn't make the list?!

if i had to guess it would be parting

mb taeja i dunno

mb taeja....what???
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
April 18 2015 17:44 GMT
#143
On April 19 2015 02:20 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 02:17 Alchemik wrote:
okay, so when did Nestea stop a void ray 4 gate with a ling, 2 queens and a spore


and also, what Stephano builds were nerfed into the ground? for some reason, I can't think of any

Roach max, swarmhost, ling-infestor

mmh, how was roach max nerfed into the ground?


and stephano didnt really pioneer anything regarding SH.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 18 2015 17:44 GMT
#144
Why do people think herO should be top 15? (even top 5?!)
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-18 17:51:30
April 18 2015 17:44 GMT
#145
Opinions are opinions but IMO it's a travesty that soO, MKP and Rain make this list but sOs and PartinG apparently don't. sOs has done more for the post-WoL Protoss meta than anyone, won both WCS and IEM WC and Hot6ix Cup compared to just OSL and Hot6ix Cup for Rain. And PartinG's streak of Code S appearances and remaining one of the top 5 Protoss in the world for THREE YEARS now is completely unrivaled except for Mvp and Life. He should be top 5 all time easily.

Also NesTea is way too high on the list. I can't really argue he's not top 15 because 3 GSLs are hard to argue with (he's actually won as many GSLs as Mvp--people like to say that Mvp won 4 GSLs but one of them was the silly "World Championship" where there were only 16 players, half of which were foreigners, and he pretty much just had to beat MKP to win it), but let's be serious, NesTea was one of the top five players in the world for a year or less. By fall 2011 he had pretty much fallen off hard.

Edit: I retract the PartinG criticism if he's in top 5 over Polt. But if Polt isn't even top 15 (which is more defensible than PartinG not top 15) I think it's silly to have TaeJa top 5, where he will certainly be. The only criticism of Polt is that most of his success came in foreign tournaments but at least he won a major Korean individual tournament. TaeJa has never even been to the finals of one, much less won one.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-18 17:58:37
April 18 2015 17:46 GMT
#146
another nice read

taeja - parting - mc - life - mvp for the last remaining ?

i expect zest 7th instead of 8th, glad that i was almost right



Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
April 18 2015 17:46 GMT
#147
On April 19 2015 02:37 Hier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 02:36 Sakkreth wrote:
On April 19 2015 01:31 THERIDDLER wrote:
Not in any particular order:
MC, Taeja, Polt. Life, Mvp.


lol @ polt

Those were my thoughts! But apparently everyone disagrees.

Who else could it be? Although I'm really surprised that Polt is ranked above MMA albeit winning 2 wcs while being a part time player and full time student is something extraordinarily difficult. Also being the last terran standing in the era of protosses was also incredibly difficult. Huh...as I'm typing I can see why someone can argue that polt is above MMA.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2102 Posts
April 18 2015 17:47 GMT
#148
On April 19 2015 02:33 stuchiu wrote:
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On April 19 2015 02:31 Blargh wrote:
Okay, but why are these players above soO again?


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/482944-the-process-of-creating-the-top-15-greatest-list

Also in the third section of each article I wrote why I ranked a player above the one that was right below them.

Oh that's a really nice write-up! Thanks man.
UberNuB
Profile Joined December 2010
United States365 Posts
April 18 2015 17:50 GMT
#149
MC
Teaja
Polt
Life
MVP

Have to be top five (probably in this order).
the absence of evidence, is not the evidence of absence.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
April 18 2015 17:51 GMT
#150
On April 19 2015 01:59 Charoisaur wrote:
real top 15:
Mvp
Life
TaeJa
MC
MMA
Polt
NesTea
PartinG
Zest
Marineking
Bomber
Maru
INnoVation
DRG
soO

wow mate calm down
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
April 18 2015 17:52 GMT
#151
That Nestea article made me miss the hell out of Incredible Miracle. Had no idea about the influence Nestea had on Yoda, losira and first.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
April 18 2015 17:53 GMT
#152
Polt before MMA, nah
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
April 18 2015 17:54 GMT
#153
On April 19 2015 02:43 tjtombo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 01:10 Undead1993 wrote:
On April 19 2015 01:08 JoshSuth wrote:
There are still SIX players missing that should be in the Top 15...
herO
PartinG
MC
TaeJa
Life
Mvp

Which one didn't make the list?!

if i had to guess it would be parting

mb taeja i dunno

mb taeja....what???

theres always this "taeja never won any korean tournament or made any deep runs in gsl" argument. maybe stuchiu is one of those elitists
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
PinheadXXXXXX
Profile Joined February 2012
United States897 Posts
April 18 2015 17:57 GMT
#154
On April 19 2015 02:54 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 02:43 tjtombo wrote:
On April 19 2015 01:10 Undead1993 wrote:
On April 19 2015 01:08 JoshSuth wrote:
There are still SIX players missing that should be in the Top 15...
herO
PartinG
MC
TaeJa
Life
Mvp

Which one didn't make the list?!

if i had to guess it would be parting

mb taeja i dunno

mb taeja....what???

theres always this "taeja never won any korean tournament or made any deep runs in gsl" argument. maybe stuchiu is one of those elitists

I doubt it since he's rating by the quality of players beaten in tournament runs, which Taeja scores incredibly high on.
Taeja the one true Byunjwa~
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-18 18:08:40
April 18 2015 17:58 GMT
#155
It's probably worth considering that this article is just Stuchio's opinion and we are not forced to agree with the criteria or the selections if we don't agree.

I disagree with the way he weights tournaments and a notable many of the selections, so its worth taking with a grain of salt

Edit:

Reading Zest's section it mentions that Zest's weakness is Micro...hm..

If you look at Zest's play in 2014 much of his strategies are a combination of Macro oriented builds with cheesy components (kind of a fusion of Rain and PartinG's style). Also to note that his weakness is micro seems just incorrect. Zest is perhaps the best (other than maybe Parting) at taking maxed out engagements and controlling his army, focus firing stalkers, Immortals, colussi correctly. One thing to note is Zest's incredible ability to get the most out of each engagement and keep colossi alive for longer than any other Protoss I've seen. Here are a few video examples:

- Here is a recent example against Hydra in Katowice

- vs Drg, note how well he controls Colossi

- here is a good example of a more creative component

DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 18 2015 17:58 GMT
#156
I like this list. Nestea is well deserving of that spot, he was a GOD during the early days of Starcraft 2, and maintained good results until mid 2012. I have this feeling that if ByuN wouldn't have bunker blocked the ramp on Metropolis in that ro8, Nestea would've made another finals in S3 2012. He was so upset!

So who do we have left? Mvp, Life, Taeja, MC and Polt? The first place is such a close one - Life obviously have proven himself but other than that first few months he really broke through, I don't really feel a dominance close to what Mvp had 2011. Still will be interesting, case could be made for either one imo!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44253 Posts
April 18 2015 18:00 GMT
#157
5. Polt
4. Taeja
3. MC
2. Life
1. Mvp

That's what I'm hoping, although I could see Taeja and MC being switched, and/ or Life and Mvp being switched.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-18 18:01:31
April 18 2015 18:00 GMT
#158
Pretty happy with the rankings. Whilst they're both big names Parting/Bomber just don't have the dominance or peaks to guarantee a top 15 all time spot. I can't think of a terran or protoss on the list i'd rank them ahead of.

A little surprised Polt's top 5 but I guess his longevity is impressive.

5. Polt
4. Taeja
3. Life
2. MC
1. MVP
Yhamm is the god of predictions
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
April 18 2015 18:02 GMT
#159
On April 19 2015 02:54 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 02:43 tjtombo wrote:
On April 19 2015 01:10 Undead1993 wrote:
On April 19 2015 01:08 JoshSuth wrote:
There are still SIX players missing that should be in the Top 15...
herO
PartinG
MC
TaeJa
Life
Mvp

Which one didn't make the list?!

if i had to guess it would be parting

mb taeja i dunno

mb taeja....what???

theres always this "taeja never won any korean tournament or made any deep runs in gsl" argument. maybe stuchiu is one of those elitists

This is false. He made it to the r04 a few times. Sometimes I feel he got screwed, when taeja was making his deep runs Blizz pretty much said, "sorry taeja wrong patch".
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
helius788
Profile Joined July 2012
New Zealand74 Posts
April 18 2015 18:05 GMT
#160
Well done! That's all I can say. Making such a list is tough!
We are all so biased and it's impossible to please everyone.

I have to say I agree so far with nearly all of it (MMA being a bit too high and Nestea perhaps in top5? but that doesn't matter)

For the top5: I think 4 of them are quite obvious (Mvp, Life, MC and Taeja)... but Polt being #5? Oh well, good job :D haha
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