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On April 23 2015 05:27 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 05:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 23 2015 05:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
Naniwa > Stephano. He stayed at the very top of foreignerdom for waaay longer than Stephano and beat Nestea and Mvp when they were still among the best players in the game. *Looks at country* Yep, he's Swedish. Way to discret my point... sure, Stephano WON more tournaments, but Naniwa was a championship contender for three whole years, even after the Kespa switch, and then recently made a pretty strong comeback. Stephano had his period of dominance, but it didn't last as long and he sort of faded as soon as the elephants made their presence known in the room.
It's not that big a difference timewise. Stephano went 'passive' in the later half of 2013, Naniwa at early 2014. Stephano won more and his run in the GSL World Championship 2012 still makes him the best foreigner ever imo. (though i guess naniwa couldnt prove himself there as his mouse was stolen  )
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_GSL_World_Championship
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Poland3752 Posts
On April 23 2015 05:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 05:27 ClueClueClue wrote:On April 23 2015 05:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 23 2015 05:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
Naniwa > Stephano. He stayed at the very top of foreignerdom for waaay longer than Stephano and beat Nestea and Mvp when they were still among the best players in the game. *Looks at country* Yep, he's Swedish. Way to discret my point... sure, Stephano WON more tournaments, but Naniwa was a championship contender for three whole years, even after the Kespa switch, and then recently made a pretty strong comeback. Stephano had his period of dominance, but it didn't last as long and he sort of faded as soon as the elephants made their presence known in the room. It's not that big a difference timewise. Stephano went 'passive' in the later half of 2013, Naniwa at early 2014. Stephano won more and his run in the GSL World Championship 2012 still makes him the best foreigner ever imo. (though i guess naniwa couldnt prove himself there as his mouse was stolen ) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_GSL_World_Championship
Stephano lost both mouse and keyboard, he arrived late and yet won WCS European Continentals.
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On April 23 2015 05:27 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 05:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 23 2015 05:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
Naniwa > Stephano. He stayed at the very top of foreignerdom for waaay longer than Stephano and beat Nestea and Mvp when they were still among the best players in the game. *Looks at country* Yep, he's Swedish. Way to discret my point... sure, Stephano WON more tournaments, but Naniwa was a championship contender for three whole years, even after the Kespa switch, and then recently made a pretty strong comeback. Stephano had his period of dominance, but it didn't last as long and he sort of faded as soon as the elephants made their presence known in the room.
Stephano's fall had nothing to do with Kespa considering he began to repeatedly underperform in tournaments where Kespa had no presence whatsoever. Not to mention, he went 6-5 in SPL (which was actually better or comparable to everyone on EG-TL).
Stephano was far more consistent against Koreans than Naniwa ever was. Even in the nadir of his career, Stephano managed to reach a WCS final, something no foreigner has ever accomplished.
Look at Naniwa's best year vs Koreans (2013) <--
Now Stephano's (2012): <--
Now, I know what you're thinking, "omg, BL/INFESTOR!". Yeah, but Stephano has a considerably larger sampling and you have to also consider that no other top-tier 2012 foreign Zerg had the all-around dominance Stephano did in the 3 match ups which is indicative of his skill rather than balance. ZvZ was his only kryptonite. Aside from that he was indistinguishable from the Koreans and was legitimately top-tier in ZvP.
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As impressive as it is to reach the WCS finals, I'd like to point out that Stephano did it in the easiest season of post 2012 WCS ever, where only 4 koreans played in EU that season.
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Russian Federation66 Posts
Rain before Maru, MK, DRG? Instead of PartinG, Bomber and many others?
I don't understand this choice.
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Everyone's list would be biased.
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On April 23 2015 07:25 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 05:27 ClueClueClue wrote:On April 23 2015 05:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 23 2015 05:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
Naniwa > Stephano. He stayed at the very top of foreignerdom for waaay longer than Stephano and beat Nestea and Mvp when they were still among the best players in the game. *Looks at country* Yep, he's Swedish. Way to discret my point... sure, Stephano WON more tournaments, but Naniwa was a championship contender for three whole years, even after the Kespa switch, and then recently made a pretty strong comeback. Stephano had his period of dominance, but it didn't last as long and he sort of faded as soon as the elephants made their presence known in the room. Stephano's fall had nothing to do with Kespa considering he began to repeatedly underperform in tournaments where Kespa had no presence whatsoever. Not to mention, he went 6-5 in SPL (which was actually better or comparable to everyone on EG-TL). Stephano was far more consistent against Koreans than Naniwa ever was. Even in the nadir of his career, Stephano managed to reach a WCS final, something no foreigner has ever accomplished. Look at Naniwa's best year vs Koreans (2013) <-- Now Stephano's (2012): <-- Now, I know what you're thinking, "omg, BL/INFESTOR!". Yeah, but Stephano has a considerably larger sampling and you have to also consider that no other top-tier 2012 foreign Zerg had the all-around dominance Stephano did in the 3 match ups which is indicative of his skill rather than balance. ZvZ was his only kryptonite. Aside from that he was indistinguishable from the Koreans and was legitimately top-tier in ZvP.
Regardless of broodlords/infestors, Stephano did much more for his race anyway.
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Does Inno's latest GSL win move him up a few notches in this list?
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China2430 Posts
On October 05 2015 13:09 Eskimoo wrote:
Does Inno's latest GSL win move him up a few notches in this list?
then so should Rain, he won GSL too
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