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Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-21 21:41:59
April 21 2015 21:40 GMT
#501
On April 22 2015 05:20 DinosaurJones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 05:17 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On April 22 2015 02:01 Dreamer.T wrote:
Should do a top 15 foreigner too if you have the time or energy stuchiu, I'm sure it would be just as awesome debating who will come after Stephano/Naniwa/Sen.


Foreigners are hard. Only really feel solid about the top 6


15) TLO
14) Mana
13) Jim
12) Jinro
11) Vortix
10) Idra
9) Bunny
8) Nerchio
7) ThorZain
6) Scarlett
5) Snute
4) Sen
3) Huk
2) Naniwa
1) Stephano (by a mile)


I like that list a lot, actually.


Same. I think macsed should be in place of TLO.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 21 2015 21:40 GMT
#502
On April 19 2015 01:14 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 00:58 lichter wrote:
Poll: Did you read the article?

I only looked at the order (446)
 
55%

Yes, the whole thing (290)
 
36%

No, I'm just here to argue or complain (76)
 
9%

812 total votes

Your vote: Did you read the article?

(Vote): Yes, the whole thing
(Vote): No, I'm just here to argue or complain
(Vote): I only looked at the order



Wow, people are being honest.
It's still heavily skewed, because those who don't read are also more likely to not even notice this poll.

I suggest next 5 places are all MC. Okay, one spot for Mvp, I'm feeling generous today.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1415 Posts
April 21 2015 22:17 GMT
#503
On April 22 2015 05:17 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 02:01 Dreamer.T wrote:
Should do a top 15 foreigner too if you have the time or energy stuchiu, I'm sure it would be just as awesome debating who will come after Stephano/Naniwa/Sen.


Foreigners are hard. Only really feel solid about the top 6


15) TLO
14) Mana
13) Jim
12) Jinro
11) Vortix
10) Idra
9) Bunny
8) Nerchio
7) ThorZain
6) Scarlett
5) Snute
4) Sen
3) Huk
2) Naniwa
1) Stephano (by a mile)

idra, thorzain and maybe even TLO should all be higher than scarlett. Idra used to be a top 5 zerg back in the day, and both thorzain and idra won premier tournaments as opposed to scarlett.

i would also rate jinro higher on the list, he reached the GSL semis twice and also won an MLG event. he was the original foreign hope together with idra and TLO.
Jermius
Profile Joined March 2015
United States13 Posts
April 21 2015 22:56 GMT
#504
On April 19 2015 19:43 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 16:09 Yorkie wrote:
On April 19 2015 10:44 Jermius wrote:
To make Bomber's exclusion even more confusing, he essentially has an even record (24-25) against the top 5 (assuming Taeja, MC, Polt, Life, couldn't find match stats for MVP). Taeja also has like a 65% win rate against the top 15 for people trying to discredit a player's success for playing foreign tournaments.

Statistical analysis hype! great comment

That just means that when Bomber was strong, he was on par with the best, and when he sucked they won titles and he didn't even have opportunity to play against them.

I don't think you know how stats work lol
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 21 2015 23:37 GMT
#505
On April 22 2015 07:17 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 05:17 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On April 22 2015 02:01 Dreamer.T wrote:
Should do a top 15 foreigner too if you have the time or energy stuchiu, I'm sure it would be just as awesome debating who will come after Stephano/Naniwa/Sen.


Foreigners are hard. Only really feel solid about the top 6


15) TLO
14) Mana
13) Jim
12) Jinro
11) Vortix
10) Idra
9) Bunny
8) Nerchio
7) ThorZain
6) Scarlett
5) Snute
4) Sen
3) Huk
2) Naniwa
1) Stephano (by a mile)

idra, thorzain and maybe even TLO should all be higher than scarlett. Idra used to be a top 5 zerg back in the day, and both thorzain and idra won premier tournaments as opposed to scarlett.

i would also rate jinro higher on the list, he reached the GSL semis twice and also won an MLG event. he was the original foreign hope together with idra and TLO.


I think there's a huge gap between the top 6 and the rest. I ranked Scarlett really high even though she never won a premiere because even just placing highly at the premieres she did is a bigger accomplishment than winning some of the 2010-early 2012 Premieres. She rose in a era where not just Koreans, but top-tier Koreans began to regularly attend foreign events.

Jinro is awesome and iirc was one of the original macro Terrans (innovation points!). Yet, he doesn't really have the longevity edge. Jinro just kinda faded away come mid 2011. Scarlett outlasted him by quite a large margin even though she appeared much later and consistently went up against harder competition even relative to her era.

Likewise, ThorZain's wins came when the Korean invasion was light. Bonus points for being another innovative Terran.

TLO is not even remotely close to Scarlett. He narrowly cracks my top 15 since he managed to play both Terran and Zerg at a high level, had to take a break because of his CTS (which impacted his results) and he's been around forever. Still, he's never won a premiere either and has never looked as fearsome as Scarlett did.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7160 Posts
April 22 2015 08:00 GMT
#506
On April 19 2015 01:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:
It would be great to have a similar list for foreigners (Stephano - NaNi - Jinro etc).

More like

1. Welmu
2. elfi
3. Naama
4.Serral
5. Fuzer

))))))))))))
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7160 Posts
April 22 2015 08:06 GMT
#507
On April 22 2015 05:17 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 02:01 Dreamer.T wrote:
Should do a top 15 foreigner too if you have the time or energy stuchiu, I'm sure it would be just as awesome debating who will come after Stephano/Naniwa/Sen.


Foreigners are hard. Only really feel solid about the top 6


15) TLO
14) Mana
13) Jim
12) Jinro
11) Vortix
10) Idra
9) Bunny
8) Nerchio
7) ThorZain
6) Scarlett
5) Snute
4) Sen
3) Huk
2) Naniwa
1) Stephano (by a mile)

I feel like Welmu or elfi should be on this list, considering their results.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
cheekymonkey
Profile Joined January 2014
France1387 Posts
April 22 2015 08:24 GMT
#508
What, Idra #10 ? TLO #15?
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
April 22 2015 11:46 GMT
#509
im going to have a good chortle if Stephano ranks on this list.
zEEzz
Profile Joined October 2012
93 Posts
April 22 2015 15:01 GMT
#510
MC, Life, TaeJa, Mvp, who is the 5th piece?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-22 15:18:25
April 22 2015 15:17 GMT
#511
On April 23 2015 00:01 zEEzz wrote:
MC, Life, TaeJa, Mvp, who is the 5th piece?

Polt.

For the poll about whether I read it or not, not sure what to pick. I don't read all of it, only the parts about players I really like.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
April 22 2015 15:45 GMT
#512
5 Polt
4 TaeJa
3 MC
2 Life
1 Mvp
"I thought I destroyed my CC but it seemed like the only thing I destroyed was Idra's mentality."
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3752 Posts
April 22 2015 16:04 GMT
#513
On April 22 2015 05:17 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 02:01 Dreamer.T wrote:
Should do a top 15 foreigner too if you have the time or energy stuchiu, I'm sure it would be just as awesome debating who will come after Stephano/Naniwa/Sen.


Foreigners are hard. Only really feel solid about the top 6


15) TLO
14) Mana
13) Jim
12) Jinro
11) Vortix
10) Idra
9) Bunny
8) Nerchio
7) ThorZain
6) Scarlett
5) Snute
4) Sen
3) Huk
2) Naniwa
1) Stephano (by a mile)

You should feel solid about top 1 only, even NaNiwa > HuK is not obvious at the very least and I'd probably choose HuK over NaNiwa as 2nd.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18595 Posts
April 22 2015 16:44 GMT
#514
On April 23 2015 01:04 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 05:17 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On April 22 2015 02:01 Dreamer.T wrote:
Should do a top 15 foreigner too if you have the time or energy stuchiu, I'm sure it would be just as awesome debating who will come after Stephano/Naniwa/Sen.


Foreigners are hard. Only really feel solid about the top 6


15) TLO
14) Mana
13) Jim
12) Jinro
11) Vortix
10) Idra
9) Bunny
8) Nerchio
7) ThorZain
6) Scarlett
5) Snute
4) Sen
3) Huk
2) Naniwa
1) Stephano (by a mile)

You should feel solid about top 1 only, even NaNiwa > HuK is not obvious at the very least and I'd probably choose HuK over NaNiwa as 2nd.


Naniwa made it to Blizzcon in 2013, this alone dwarfs anything Huk did in his career.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 22 2015 17:55 GMT
#515
On April 23 2015 01:44 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 01:04 nimdil wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:17 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On April 22 2015 02:01 Dreamer.T wrote:
Should do a top 15 foreigner too if you have the time or energy stuchiu, I'm sure it would be just as awesome debating who will come after Stephano/Naniwa/Sen.


Foreigners are hard. Only really feel solid about the top 6


15) TLO
14) Mana
13) Jim
12) Jinro
11) Vortix
10) Idra
9) Bunny
8) Nerchio
7) ThorZain
6) Scarlett
5) Snute
4) Sen
3) Huk
2) Naniwa
1) Stephano (by a mile)

You should feel solid about top 1 only, even NaNiwa > HuK is not obvious at the very least and I'd probably choose HuK over NaNiwa as 2nd.


Naniwa made it to Blizzcon in 2013, this alone dwarfs anything Huk did in his career.


Huk used to be really good a very long time ago and then fell off rather quickly, while Naniwa was probably weaker initially, but was able to keep high level for a long time. He was so confident in his skill that he almost defeated a multiple GSL champion using only workers.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
April 22 2015 18:23 GMT
#516
On April 23 2015 01:04 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 05:17 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On April 22 2015 02:01 Dreamer.T wrote:
Should do a top 15 foreigner too if you have the time or energy stuchiu, I'm sure it would be just as awesome debating who will come after Stephano/Naniwa/Sen.


Foreigners are hard. Only really feel solid about the top 6


15) TLO
14) Mana
13) Jim
12) Jinro
11) Vortix
10) Idra
9) Bunny
8) Nerchio
7) ThorZain
6) Scarlett
5) Snute
4) Sen
3) Huk
2) Naniwa
1) Stephano (by a mile)

You should feel solid about top 1 only, even NaNiwa > HuK is not obvious at the very least and I'd probably choose HuK over NaNiwa as 2nd.

apart from the first place which is obvious, i agree that for the future foreigner ranking of stuchiu, the top 2-6 is gonna be really hard

i would put nerchio a bit higher imo
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 22 2015 19:26 GMT
#517
I mean I wrote the criteria of how I did it all. Anyone could do a foreigner ranking in my style if they did the research.
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ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
April 22 2015 20:20 GMT
#518
Naniwa > Stephano. He stayed at the very top of foreignerdom for waaay longer than Stephano and beat Nestea and Mvp when they were still among the best players in the game.
Cogito, ergo toss.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
April 22 2015 20:23 GMT
#519
On April 23 2015 05:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
Naniwa > Stephano. He stayed at the very top of foreignerdom for waaay longer than Stephano and beat Nestea and Mvp when they were still among the best players in the game.


*Looks at country* Yep, he's Swedish.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
April 22 2015 20:27 GMT
#520
On April 23 2015 05:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 05:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
Naniwa > Stephano. He stayed at the very top of foreignerdom for waaay longer than Stephano and beat Nestea and Mvp when they were still among the best players in the game.


*Looks at country* Yep, he's Swedish.


Way to discret my point... sure, Stephano WON more tournaments, but Naniwa was a championship contender for three whole years, even after the Kespa switch, and then recently made a pretty strong comeback. Stephano had his period of dominance, but it didn't last as long and he sort of faded as soon as the elephants made their presence known in the room.
Cogito, ergo toss.
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