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United States23455 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:18 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:16 Darkhorse wrote:On April 19 2015 02:16 stuchiu wrote:On April 19 2015 02:14 Darkhorse wrote:On April 19 2015 02:11 stuchiu wrote:
15th place was the second hardest choice on the list. #15-#18 had the difference of a hair between their overall achievements. Leenock/sOs/Parting/Bomber? yea, 19th was real close too. One of the hero's Soulkey
That was my next guess
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Mute City2363 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:17 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:16 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 02:03 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:45 Yorkie wrote:
How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won? How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance? How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013? How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? Actually know results before you say something like that How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won?3/4 vs winner. So worse. How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance?Wasn't present at WCS Season 3 finals. Maru 3/4th. So worse. How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013?Both Bomber and Maru 3/4th How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? If you actually read my quote, I was talking about 2013, so while we're there: All 3 had 1 win each INno 2 silvers INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 This is before I get to all the events you ignored due to your bias I feel I should bring up this quote again Actually know results before you say something like that WCS season 2 where Bomber won and Innovation and Maru went out of groups was the one right after OSL bud nice try. He did worse than Maru in OSL but the same (or better since he didn't get fucking 4-0d by Maru constantly one basing) as Innovation which was my point. Bomber and Maru both made ro4 at Blizzcon but Innvation got trunched int he ro16 by Duckdeok and Bomber put up a fight vs the eventual champ but Maru lost to Jaedong LOL. You also never specified 2013 in your original quote. Stop cherry picking results to suit your argument. I bolded it, but go on. Cherry pick this then All 3 had 1 win each
INno 2 silvers
INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 Nothing bomber did was anything as impressive as INno's GSL silver, or Maru's streak in the second half of the year Go back a page and see that your quote says nothing about 2013  . I said arguably for 2013 for a reason. Inno and Maru would be that reason. Let's also mention that two of Inno's top four finishes were at much weaker events, particularly Northcon which should have been at least a free 2nd only if Jaedong beat him Again, I bolded it, check your eyesight. I don't think 2013 is arguable at all, INno / Maru's results are flat out better than Bomber's. Let's look at the relevant players that Bomber beat in his big performances in 2014 then: Violet + polt (slumping) at RB Atlanta Heart in WCS Season 2 Pigbaby and Heart and Polt again in WCS Season 3 Super and Revival at IEM San Jose His RB Global win is the only really impressive one of the lot. Hell, I'd take Polt's IEM Cologne runner up as more impressive than most of that combined Dog you can't just say you're going to list his opponents and then not list the people he beat at RB Global lmao
DRG - was struggling massively against terran at the time
Trap - got 3-0'd by Cure at the same event
3-2 against Polt
4-0 against Cure
4 matches is hardly a tournament
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On April 19 2015 02:17 Alchemik wrote:
okay, so when did Nestea stop a void ray 4 gate with a ling, 2 queens and a spore
and also, what Stephano builds were nerfed into the ground? for some reason, I can't think of any
Roach max, swarmhost, ling-infestor
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 19 2015 01:48 Die4Ever wrote:
dat NesTea section, tears were shed
I found the one guy who read the article!
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On April 19 2015 02:16 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:03 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:45 Yorkie wrote:
How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won? How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance? How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013? How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? Actually know results before you say something like that How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won?3/4 vs winner. So worse. How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance?Wasn't present at WCS Season 3 finals. Maru 3/4th. So worse. How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013?Both Bomber and Maru 3/4th How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? If you actually read my quote, I was talking about 2013, so while we're there: All 3 had 1 win each INno 2 silvers INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 This is before I get to all the events you ignored due to your bias I feel I should bring up this quote again Actually know results before you say something like that WCS season 2 where Bomber won and Innovation and Maru went out of groups was the one right after OSL bud nice try. He did worse than Maru in OSL but the same (or better since he didn't get fucking 4-0d by Maru constantly one basing) as Innovation which was my point. Bomber and Maru both made ro4 at Blizzcon but Innvation got trunched int he ro16 by Duckdeok and Bomber put up a fight vs the eventual champ but Maru lost to Jaedong LOL. You also never specified 2013 in your original quote. Stop cherry picking results to suit your argument. I bolded it, but go on. Cherry pick this then All 3 had 1 win each
INno 2 silvers
INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 Nothing bomber did was anything as impressive as INno's GSL silver, or Maru's streak in the second half of the year Go back a page and see that your quote says nothing about 2013 . I said arguably for 2013 for a reason. Inno and Maru would be that reason. Let's also mention that two of Inno's top four finishes were at much weaker events, particularly Northcon which should have been at least a free 2nd only if Jaedong beat him Again, I bolded it, check your eyesight. I don't think 2013 is arguable at all, INno / Maru's results are flat out better than Bomber's. Let's look at the relevant players that Bomber beat in his big performances in 2014 then: Violet + polt (slumping) at RB Atlanta Heart in WCS Season 2 Pigbaby and Heart and Polt again in WCS Season 3 Super and Revival at IEM San Jose His RB Global win is the only really impressive one of the lot. Hell, I'd take Polt's IEM Cologne runner up as more impressive than most of that combined
TIL beating Stardust, mana, Classic, and Rain is almost more impressive than a lll of Bomber's 2014 combined. And "check your eyesight" really? Didn't realize we were being that childish. Piss off
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mmmh, Rain over Parting is bullshit imo. I think you overrate Rain way to much. Defensive Protoss styles were already played in early 2011 were two/three base voidray collossus builds won every PvZ.
PvP was still a clusterfuck even with Rain, the addition of the MsC was easily the most important reason why it became a reasonable match up.
Based on achievments alone, Rain is superior to Parting, but Parting's consistency, his innovations, play style, micro and games are truley unique and show a certain sense of greatness only 4 or other maybe 5 Players could match. By excluding Parting, your list may have become more reasonable, but it lacks soul now.
Also, I think you underrate Nestea too. Not even mentioning that he didnt lose a single game in his July GSL makes me a sad panda.
e: nvm, you did mention, i just suck.
oh, and probs for choosing that Innovation pic. the chosen pictures have been top tier for the whole list
Otherwise, good Job.
Top prediction:
MC
Polt
Taeja
Life
Mvp
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On April 19 2015 02:20 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:17 Darkhorse wrote:On April 19 2015 02:16 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 02:03 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:45 Yorkie wrote:
How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won? How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance? How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013? How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? Actually know results before you say something like that How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won?3/4 vs winner. So worse. How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance?Wasn't present at WCS Season 3 finals. Maru 3/4th. So worse. How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013?Both Bomber and Maru 3/4th How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? If you actually read my quote, I was talking about 2013, so while we're there: All 3 had 1 win each INno 2 silvers INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 This is before I get to all the events you ignored due to your bias I feel I should bring up this quote again Actually know results before you say something like that WCS season 2 where Bomber won and Innovation and Maru went out of groups was the one right after OSL bud nice try. He did worse than Maru in OSL but the same (or better since he didn't get fucking 4-0d by Maru constantly one basing) as Innovation which was my point. Bomber and Maru both made ro4 at Blizzcon but Innvation got trunched int he ro16 by Duckdeok and Bomber put up a fight vs the eventual champ but Maru lost to Jaedong LOL. You also never specified 2013 in your original quote. Stop cherry picking results to suit your argument. I bolded it, but go on. Cherry pick this then All 3 had 1 win each
INno 2 silvers
INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 Nothing bomber did was anything as impressive as INno's GSL silver, or Maru's streak in the second half of the year Go back a page and see that your quote says nothing about 2013 . I said arguably for 2013 for a reason. Inno and Maru would be that reason. Let's also mention that two of Inno's top four finishes were at much weaker events, particularly Northcon which should have been at least a free 2nd only if Jaedong beat him Again, I bolded it, check your eyesight. I don't think 2013 is arguable at all, INno / Maru's results are flat out better than Bomber's. Let's look at the relevant players that Bomber beat in his big performances in 2014 then: Violet + polt (slumping) at RB Atlanta Heart in WCS Season 2 Pigbaby and Heart and Polt again in WCS Season 3 Super and Revival at IEM San Jose His RB Global win is the only really impressive one of the lot. Hell, I'd take Polt's IEM Cologne runner up as more impressive than most of that combined Dog you can't just say you're going to list his opponents and then not list the people he beat at RB Global lmao DRG - was struggling massively against terran at the time Trap - got 3-0'd by Cure at the same event 3-2 against Polt 4-0 against Cure 4 matches is hardly a tournament
POLT'S IEM RUN WAS FOUR MATCHES SO UNBIASED TOP KEK
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:20 stuchiu wrote:I found the one guy who read the article!
He actually reads, what a nerd.
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United States23455 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:20 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:17 Darkhorse wrote:On April 19 2015 02:16 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 02:03 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:45 Yorkie wrote:
How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won? How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance? How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013? How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? Actually know results before you say something like that How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won?3/4 vs winner. So worse. How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance?Wasn't present at WCS Season 3 finals. Maru 3/4th. So worse. How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013?Both Bomber and Maru 3/4th How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? If you actually read my quote, I was talking about 2013, so while we're there: All 3 had 1 win each INno 2 silvers INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 This is before I get to all the events you ignored due to your bias I feel I should bring up this quote again Actually know results before you say something like that WCS season 2 where Bomber won and Innovation and Maru went out of groups was the one right after OSL bud nice try. He did worse than Maru in OSL but the same (or better since he didn't get fucking 4-0d by Maru constantly one basing) as Innovation which was my point. Bomber and Maru both made ro4 at Blizzcon but Innvation got trunched int he ro16 by Duckdeok and Bomber put up a fight vs the eventual champ but Maru lost to Jaedong LOL. You also never specified 2013 in your original quote. Stop cherry picking results to suit your argument. I bolded it, but go on. Cherry pick this then All 3 had 1 win each
INno 2 silvers
INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 Nothing bomber did was anything as impressive as INno's GSL silver, or Maru's streak in the second half of the year Go back a page and see that your quote says nothing about 2013 . I said arguably for 2013 for a reason. Inno and Maru would be that reason. Let's also mention that two of Inno's top four finishes were at much weaker events, particularly Northcon which should have been at least a free 2nd only if Jaedong beat him Again, I bolded it, check your eyesight. I don't think 2013 is arguable at all, INno / Maru's results are flat out better than Bomber's. Let's look at the relevant players that Bomber beat in his big performances in 2014 then: Violet + polt (slumping) at RB Atlanta Heart in WCS Season 2 Pigbaby and Heart and Polt again in WCS Season 3 Super and Revival at IEM San Jose His RB Global win is the only really impressive one of the lot. Hell, I'd take Polt's IEM Cologne runner up as more impressive than most of that combined Dog you can't just say you're going to list his opponents and then not list the people he beat at RB Global lmao DRG - was struggling massively against terran at the time Trap - got 3-0'd by Cure at the same event 3-2 against Polt 4-0 against Cure 4 matches is hardly a tournament
Do you want to go back through Starcraft history and use your bias to disqualify every win Bomber has ever gotten or what? Also are you cool calling Blizzcon or IEM WC "hardly a tournament"? Those are also only four matches. Bad logic
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rain over parting? kk disregard everything
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if Nestea is #7 then there's no way MVP can be #1. Life has this.
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Okay, but why are these players above soO again?
JOKES ASIDE, I think it's really hard making a "Greatest Players of All Time" list because you have to consider how well they've done over the whole duration of their career too. soO for instance, has only really been relevant in the last year and a half. While I'd consider his accomplishment (4x Silver Surfer in a row) one of the greatest, he really hasn't done anything before that.
But then there are players like Mvp, who have basically been the most dominant player SC2 had for a year and a half. And then there are players like MMA who have been consistently pretty good for a loooong time.
It can be difficult to balance long-term consistency with shorter-term dominance.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
This list is extremely biased according to my own extremely unbiased opinion
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Nestea only #7???? 
Oh well. With MMA as #6, that leaves 5 left... 3 are definitely Mvp, Life, and MC. 2 others...
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:20 stuchiu wrote:I found the one guy who read the article!
29 people read it!
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On April 19 2015 01:31 THERIDDLER wrote:
Not in any particular order:
MC, Taeja, Polt. Life, Mvp.
lol @ polt
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On April 19 2015 02:36 Sakkreth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 01:31 THERIDDLER wrote:
Not in any particular order:
MC, Taeja, Polt. Life, Mvp. lol @ polt
Those were my thoughts! But apparently everyone disagrees.
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On April 19 2015 01:14 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 00:58 lichter wrote:Poll: Did you read the article?I only looked at the order (446) 55% Yes, the whole thing (290) 36% No, I'm just here to argue or complain (76) 9% 812 total votes Your vote: Did you read the article? (Vote): Yes, the whole thing
(Vote): No, I'm just here to argue or complain
(Vote): I only looked at the order
Wow, people are being honest. 
Reading it now!
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United States23455 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:33 Zealously wrote:
This list is extremely biased according to my own extremely unbiased opinion
People can call bias if they want. He made his criteria clear
Plus I happen to know stuchiu likes Parting and Bomber so I'd say it's pretty clearly not bias
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