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your Country52797 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:04 lichter wrote:
the idea of bomber and parting in a top 15 of all time is disgraceful
PartinG was in my original top 15 
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Zest over Inno is ridiculous in my opinion.
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On April 19 2015 02:05 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 01:08 JoshSuth wrote:
There are still SIX players missing that should be in the Top 15...
herO
PartinG
MC
TaeJa
Life
Mvp
Which one didn't make the list?! I think herO and PArtinG will miss out for Polt. herO hasnt dont anything great in Korea yet in individual leagues. He's a proleague beast though. I'm interested to see who they go for between PartinG and Polt. Soulkey is there too I guess.
herO and Parting should miss out because despite Parting's innovation and build development, he didn't actually win very much compared to Polt, and neither did herO (other than IEMs.) MC, Taeja, Life, and Mvp have all won so much and so consistently that I don't see a case for putting ANY other player above them.
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On April 19 2015 02:06 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 01:59 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 19 2015 01:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:45 Yorkie wrote:
How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won? How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance? How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013? How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? Actually know results before you say something like that How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won?3/4 vs winner. So worse. How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance?Wasn't present at WCS Season 3 finals. Maru 3/4th. So worse. How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013?Both Bomber and Maru 3/4th How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? If you actually read my quote, I was talking about 2013, so while we're there: All 3 had 1 win each INno 2 silvers INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 This is before I get to all the events you ignored due to your bias I feel I should bring up this quote again Actually know results before you say something like that WCS season 2 where Bomber won and Innovation and Maru went out of groups was the one right after OSL bud nice try. He did worse than Maru in OSL but the same (or better since he didn't get fucking 4-0d by Maru constantly one basing) as Innovation which was my point. Bomber and Maru both made ro4 at Blizzcon but Innvation got trunched int he ro16 by Duckdeok and Bomber put up a fight vs the eventual champ but Maru lost to Jaedong LOL. You also never specified 2013 in your original quote. Stop cherry picking results to suit your argument. I bolded it, but go on. Cherry pick this then All 3 had 1 win each
INno 2 silvers
INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 Nothing bomber did was anything as impressive as INno's GSL silver, or Maru's streak in the second half of the year Scarlett 2-0 Maru Bomber 3-2 Scarlett Maru OSL 2013 Winner , NSSL 2015 Season 1 Winner Bomber. Code A winner once ?
WCS Global Finals winner. 2 time red bull champ. MLG champ. Number one seed in 2014. WCS America champ. I know I know I'm gonna get yelled at about how Bomber never won a GSL I'm not saying Bomber > Maru I just think it's dumb to say bomber's only accomplishment is one Code A win
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
15th place was the second hardest choice on the list. #15-#18 had the difference of a hair between their overall achievements.
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On April 19 2015 02:09 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:06 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:On April 19 2015 01:59 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 19 2015 01:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:45 Yorkie wrote:
How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won? How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance? How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013? How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? Actually know results before you say something like that How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won?3/4 vs winner. So worse. How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance?Wasn't present at WCS Season 3 finals. Maru 3/4th. So worse. How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013?Both Bomber and Maru 3/4th How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? If you actually read my quote, I was talking about 2013, so while we're there: All 3 had 1 win each INno 2 silvers INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 This is before I get to all the events you ignored due to your bias I feel I should bring up this quote again Actually know results before you say something like that WCS season 2 where Bomber won and Innovation and Maru went out of groups was the one right after OSL bud nice try. He did worse than Maru in OSL but the same (or better since he didn't get fucking 4-0d by Maru constantly one basing) as Innovation which was my point. Bomber and Maru both made ro4 at Blizzcon but Innvation got trunched int he ro16 by Duckdeok and Bomber put up a fight vs the eventual champ but Maru lost to Jaedong LOL. You also never specified 2013 in your original quote. Stop cherry picking results to suit your argument. I bolded it, but go on. Cherry pick this then All 3 had 1 win each
INno 2 silvers
INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 Nothing bomber did was anything as impressive as INno's GSL silver, or Maru's streak in the second half of the year Scarlett 2-0 Maru Bomber 3-2 Scarlett Maru OSL 2013 Winner , NSSL 2015 Season 1 Winner Bomber. Code A winner once ? WCS Global Finals winner. 2 time red bull champ. MLG champ. Number one seed in 2014. WCS America champ. I know I know I'm gonna get yelled at about how Bomber never won a GSL I'm not saying Bomber > Maru I just think it's dumb to say bomber's only accomplishment is one Code A win
Its also incredibly dumb to state the sets of one tournament and arrive at conclusions between players. Pretty sure Maru's run through OSL and NSSL were harder than Bombers run through WCS Global Finals and WCS NA.
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United States23455 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:11 stuchiu wrote:
15th place was the second hardest choice on the list. #15-#18 had the difference of a hair between their overall achievements.
Leenock/sOs/Parting/Bomber?
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On April 19 2015 02:14 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:09 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 02:06 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:On April 19 2015 01:59 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 19 2015 01:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:45 Yorkie wrote:
How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won? How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance? How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013? How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? Actually know results before you say something like that How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won?3/4 vs winner. So worse. How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance?Wasn't present at WCS Season 3 finals. Maru 3/4th. So worse. How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013?Both Bomber and Maru 3/4th How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? If you actually read my quote, I was talking about 2013, so while we're there: All 3 had 1 win each INno 2 silvers INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 This is before I get to all the events you ignored due to your bias I feel I should bring up this quote again Actually know results before you say something like that WCS season 2 where Bomber won and Innovation and Maru went out of groups was the one right after OSL bud nice try. He did worse than Maru in OSL but the same (or better since he didn't get fucking 4-0d by Maru constantly one basing) as Innovation which was my point. Bomber and Maru both made ro4 at Blizzcon but Innvation got trunched int he ro16 by Duckdeok and Bomber put up a fight vs the eventual champ but Maru lost to Jaedong LOL. You also never specified 2013 in your original quote. Stop cherry picking results to suit your argument. I bolded it, but go on. Cherry pick this then All 3 had 1 win each
INno 2 silvers
INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 Nothing bomber did was anything as impressive as INno's GSL silver, or Maru's streak in the second half of the year Scarlett 2-0 Maru Bomber 3-2 Scarlett Maru OSL 2013 Winner , NSSL 2015 Season 1 Winner Bomber. Code A winner once ? WCS Global Finals winner. 2 time red bull champ. MLG champ. Number one seed in 2014. WCS America champ. I know I know I'm gonna get yelled at about how Bomber never won a GSL I'm not saying Bomber > Maru I just think it's dumb to say bomber's only accomplishment is one Code A win Its also incredibly dumb to state the sets of one tournament and arrive at conclusions between players. Pretty sure Maru's run through OSL and NSSL were harder than Bombers run through WCS Global Finals and WCS NA.
...that's why I specifically said I was not using those results to say Bomber > Maru. lol
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:14 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:11 stuchiu wrote:
15th place was the second hardest choice on the list. #15-#18 had the difference of a hair between their overall achievements. Leenock/sOs/Parting/Bomber?
yea, 19th was real close too.
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United States23455 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:14 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:09 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 02:06 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:On April 19 2015 01:59 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 19 2015 01:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:45 Yorkie wrote:
How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won? How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance? How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013? How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? Actually know results before you say something like that How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won?3/4 vs winner. So worse. How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance?Wasn't present at WCS Season 3 finals. Maru 3/4th. So worse. How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013?Both Bomber and Maru 3/4th How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? If you actually read my quote, I was talking about 2013, so while we're there: All 3 had 1 win each INno 2 silvers INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 This is before I get to all the events you ignored due to your bias I feel I should bring up this quote again Actually know results before you say something like that WCS season 2 where Bomber won and Innovation and Maru went out of groups was the one right after OSL bud nice try. He did worse than Maru in OSL but the same (or better since he didn't get fucking 4-0d by Maru constantly one basing) as Innovation which was my point. Bomber and Maru both made ro4 at Blizzcon but Innvation got trunched int he ro16 by Duckdeok and Bomber put up a fight vs the eventual champ but Maru lost to Jaedong LOL. You also never specified 2013 in your original quote. Stop cherry picking results to suit your argument. I bolded it, but go on. Cherry pick this then All 3 had 1 win each
INno 2 silvers
INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 Nothing bomber did was anything as impressive as INno's GSL silver, or Maru's streak in the second half of the year Scarlett 2-0 Maru Bomber 3-2 Scarlett Maru OSL 2013 Winner , NSSL 2015 Season 1 Winner Bomber. Code A winner once ? WCS Global Finals winner. 2 time red bull champ. MLG champ. Number one seed in 2014. WCS America champ. I know I know I'm gonna get yelled at about how Bomber never won a GSL I'm not saying Bomber > Maru I just think it's dumb to say bomber's only accomplishment is one Code A win Its also incredibly dumb to state the sets of one tournament and arrive at conclusions between players. Pretty sure Maru's run through OSL and NSSL were harder than Bombers run through WCS Global Finals and WCS NA.
Bomber was playing in Korea at the time not WCS NA. He got 3rd/4th in OSL. Let's be real he would've won that 3rd/4th match so I'm gonna call it 3rd
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Meh. Surprised by the Rain pick. Isn't PartinG better? And MMA > Polt for terrans, so you'd think MMA would be higher. Bomber dominated a whole year and didn't get any love on here. That's weird to me. Anyway, the top 5 is easy now.
Mvp
Life
Taeja
Polt
MC
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Where is sOs? BibleThump
User was warned for this post
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Mute City2363 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:03 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 01:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:45 Yorkie wrote:
How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won? How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance? How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013? How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? Actually know results before you say something like that How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won?3/4 vs winner. So worse. How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance?Wasn't present at WCS Season 3 finals. Maru 3/4th. So worse. How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013?Both Bomber and Maru 3/4th How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? If you actually read my quote, I was talking about 2013, so while we're there: All 3 had 1 win each INno 2 silvers INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 This is before I get to all the events you ignored due to your bias I feel I should bring up this quote again Actually know results before you say something like that WCS season 2 where Bomber won and Innovation and Maru went out of groups was the one right after OSL bud nice try. He did worse than Maru in OSL but the same (or better since he didn't get fucking 4-0d by Maru constantly one basing) as Innovation which was my point. Bomber and Maru both made ro4 at Blizzcon but Innvation got trunched int he ro16 by Duckdeok and Bomber put up a fight vs the eventual champ but Maru lost to Jaedong LOL. You also never specified 2013 in your original quote. Stop cherry picking results to suit your argument. I bolded it, but go on. Cherry pick this then All 3 had 1 win each
INno 2 silvers
INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 Nothing bomber did was anything as impressive as INno's GSL silver, or Maru's streak in the second half of the year Go back a page and see that your quote says nothing about 2013  . I said arguably for 2013 for a reason. Inno and Maru would be that reason. Let's also mention that two of Inno's top four finishes were at much weaker events, particularly Northcon which should have been at least a free 2nd only if Jaedong beat him
Again, I bolded it, check your eyesight.
I don't think 2013 is arguable at all, INno / Maru's results are flat out better than Bomber's.
Let's look at the relevant players that Bomber beat in his big performances in 2014 then:
Violet + polt (slumping) at RB Atlanta
Heart in WCS Season 2
Pigbaby and Heart and Polt again in WCS Season 3
Super and Revival at IEM San Jose
His RB Global win is the only really impressive one of the lot.
Hell, I'd take Polt's IEM Cologne runner up as more impressive than most of that combined
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United States23455 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:16 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:14 Darkhorse wrote:On April 19 2015 02:11 stuchiu wrote:
15th place was the second hardest choice on the list. #15-#18 had the difference of a hair between their overall achievements. Leenock/sOs/Parting/Bomber? yea, 19th was real close too.
One of the hero's
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okay, so when did Nestea stop a void ray 4 gate with a ling, 2 queens and a spore
and also, what Stephano builds were nerfed into the ground? for some reason, I can't think of any
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United States23455 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:16 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:03 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:45 Yorkie wrote:
How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won? How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance? How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013? How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? Actually know results before you say something like that How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won?3/4 vs winner. So worse. How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance?Wasn't present at WCS Season 3 finals. Maru 3/4th. So worse. How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013?Both Bomber and Maru 3/4th How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? If you actually read my quote, I was talking about 2013, so while we're there: All 3 had 1 win each INno 2 silvers INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 This is before I get to all the events you ignored due to your bias I feel I should bring up this quote again Actually know results before you say something like that WCS season 2 where Bomber won and Innovation and Maru went out of groups was the one right after OSL bud nice try. He did worse than Maru in OSL but the same (or better since he didn't get fucking 4-0d by Maru constantly one basing) as Innovation which was my point. Bomber and Maru both made ro4 at Blizzcon but Innvation got trunched int he ro16 by Duckdeok and Bomber put up a fight vs the eventual champ but Maru lost to Jaedong LOL. You also never specified 2013 in your original quote. Stop cherry picking results to suit your argument. I bolded it, but go on. Cherry pick this then All 3 had 1 win each
INno 2 silvers
INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 Nothing bomber did was anything as impressive as INno's GSL silver, or Maru's streak in the second half of the year Go back a page and see that your quote says nothing about 2013 . I said arguably for 2013 for a reason. Inno and Maru would be that reason. Let's also mention that two of Inno's top four finishes were at much weaker events, particularly Northcon which should have been at least a free 2nd only if Jaedong beat him Again, I bolded it, check your eyesight. I don't think 2013 is arguable at all, INno / Maru's results are flat out better than Bomber's. Let's look at the relevant players that Bomber beat in his big performances in 2014 then: Violet + polt (slumping) at RB Atlanta Heart in WCS Season 2 Pigbaby and Heart and Polt again in WCS Season 3 Super and Revival at IEM San Jose His RB Global win is the only really impressive one of the lot. Hell, I'd take Polt's IEM Cologne runner up as more impressive than most of that combined
Dog you can't just say you're going to list his opponents and then not list the people he beat at RB Global lmao
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:16 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:16 stuchiu wrote:On April 19 2015 02:14 Darkhorse wrote:On April 19 2015 02:11 stuchiu wrote:
15th place was the second hardest choice on the list. #15-#18 had the difference of a hair between their overall achievements. Leenock/sOs/Parting/Bomber? yea, 19th was real close too. One of the hero's
Soulkey
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 19 2015 02:17 Alchemik wrote:
okay, so when did Nestea stop a void ray 4 gate with a ling, 2 queens and a spore
and also, what Stephano builds were nerfed into the ground? for some reason, I can't think of any
Bl/infestor and all variations thereof.
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If clide isn't #1 artosis will cry.
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On April 19 2015 02:08 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:05 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:On April 19 2015 01:08 JoshSuth wrote:
There are still SIX players missing that should be in the Top 15...
herO
PartinG
MC
TaeJa
Life
Mvp
Which one didn't make the list?! I think herO and PArtinG will miss out for Polt. herO hasnt dont anything great in Korea yet in individual leagues. He's a proleague beast though. I'm interested to see who they go for between PartinG and Polt. Soulkey is there too I guess. herO and Parting should miss out because despite Parting's innovation and build development, he didn't actually win very much compared to Polt, and neither did herO (other than IEMs.) MC, Taeja, Life, and Mvp have all won so much and so consistently that I don't see a case for putting ANY other player above them.
The thing is, it isn't about missing out to Polt, it's about missing out to Leenock and DRG, who they're immeasurably better than. Seems a really odd choice to put Leenock in over Parting or herO.
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