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On April 13 2015 04:30 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 04:20 Doodsmack wrote:On April 13 2015 03:30 Darkhorse wrote:On April 13 2015 03:24 Doodsmack wrote:On April 12 2015 23:05 Zealously wrote:On April 12 2015 23:00 Disarmed wrote:
its not getting embarrassing? The "discussion" was embarrassing, which is why it was closed. Everything that could be said has been said, and if new information comes to light that might warrant a thread. Until then, there is nothing to be gained by having a thread dedicated to a massive circular argument on TL. The fact that TL is stifling discussion about ongoing matchfixing in SC2 is what's embarassing. The importance of the issue in and of itself warrants a thread, period. But I guess TL wants it quiet just like Blizzard and KeSPA. Yeah TL is part of a massive conspiracy to cover this all up. If only they had allowed some people on this forum to keep saying the same thing over and over again/make baseless accusations then we would have all the answers about match fixing for sure! That was a cool straw man but I still fail to see how closing discussion on arguably the most important issue facing the game is better in the long run. The "discussion" was uncivilized, hateful, respectless, and ultimately pointless as everything that needed to be said was said. There was nothing wrong with closing that thread. The discussion ran its course far before the thread was closed.
I will now throw argumentative buzzwords at you! Straw man! Ad hominem! Logical fallacies! Wake up sheeple!
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On April 13 2015 04:57 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 04:30 Elentos wrote:On April 13 2015 04:20 Doodsmack wrote:On April 13 2015 03:30 Darkhorse wrote:On April 13 2015 03:24 Doodsmack wrote:On April 12 2015 23:05 Zealously wrote:On April 12 2015 23:00 Disarmed wrote:
its not getting embarrassing? The "discussion" was embarrassing, which is why it was closed. Everything that could be said has been said, and if new information comes to light that might warrant a thread. Until then, there is nothing to be gained by having a thread dedicated to a massive circular argument on TL. The fact that TL is stifling discussion about ongoing matchfixing in SC2 is what's embarassing. The importance of the issue in and of itself warrants a thread, period. But I guess TL wants it quiet just like Blizzard and KeSPA. Yeah TL is part of a massive conspiracy to cover this all up. If only they had allowed some people on this forum to keep saying the same thing over and over again/make baseless accusations then we would have all the answers about match fixing for sure! That was a cool straw man but I still fail to see how closing discussion on arguably the most important issue facing the game is better in the long run. The "discussion" was uncivilized, hateful, respectless, and ultimately pointless as everything that needed to be said was said. There was nothing wrong with closing that thread. The discussion ran its course far before the thread was closed. I will now throw argumentative buzzwords at you! Straw man! Ad hominem! Logical fallacies! Wake up sheeple!
I mean, I guess those are good ways to keep a "discussion" going. :3
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seriously where is part 2
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On April 13 2015 03:24 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 23:05 Zealously wrote:On April 12 2015 23:00 Disarmed wrote:
its not getting embarrassing? The "discussion" was embarrassing, which is why it was closed. Everything that could be said has been said, and if new information comes to light that might warrant a thread. Until then, there is nothing to be gained by having a thread dedicated to a massive circular argument on TL. The fact that TL is stifling discussion about ongoing matchfixing in SC2 is what's embarassing. The importance of the issue in and of itself warrants a thread, period. But I guess TL wants it quiet just like Blizzard and KeSPA.
Please bring any further thoughts on this subject to Website Feedback. I will be happy to address your thoughts there.
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On April 13 2015 05:36 LemonyTang wrote:
seriously where is part 2
On April 12 2015 03:34 stuchiu wrote:
I will post the next part in 1 week.
RIP reading. It died far too young.
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On April 13 2015 05:00 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 04:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 13 2015 04:30 Elentos wrote:On April 13 2015 04:20 Doodsmack wrote:On April 13 2015 03:30 Darkhorse wrote:On April 13 2015 03:24 Doodsmack wrote:On April 12 2015 23:05 Zealously wrote:On April 12 2015 23:00 Disarmed wrote:
its not getting embarrassing? The "discussion" was embarrassing, which is why it was closed. Everything that could be said has been said, and if new information comes to light that might warrant a thread. Until then, there is nothing to be gained by having a thread dedicated to a massive circular argument on TL. The fact that TL is stifling discussion about ongoing matchfixing in SC2 is what's embarassing. The importance of the issue in and of itself warrants a thread, period. But I guess TL wants it quiet just like Blizzard and KeSPA. Yeah TL is part of a massive conspiracy to cover this all up. If only they had allowed some people on this forum to keep saying the same thing over and over again/make baseless accusations then we would have all the answers about match fixing for sure! That was a cool straw man but I still fail to see how closing discussion on arguably the most important issue facing the game is better in the long run. The "discussion" was uncivilized, hateful, respectless, and ultimately pointless as everything that needed to be said was said. There was nothing wrong with closing that thread. The discussion ran its course far before the thread was closed. I will now throw argumentative buzzwords at you! Straw man! Ad hominem! Logical fallacies! Wake up sheeple! I mean, I guess those are good ways to keep a "discussion" going. :3
No actually he used a straw man. I can tell you about lots of threads on TL that have not much direction and heated internet arguments. That doesn't necessarily mean a discussion should not be happening, considering it's an exaggeration to say that every post was a circle jerk.
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How can MKF be #11 in front of soO 4 times GSL finalist in a row i'm going to say it again 4 GSLs final in a row.
And don't bring me his MLG runs, Dear back to back GSL WCS was far more impressive and he isn't top 10 i can bet you that. MKF is by far the most overrated player of all time, he has less premiers than many foreigner and his GSL "run" are just terrible he beat a bunch of nobody just by controling his units better and all ining more on stepp of war.
Also MVP has 3 GSL not four and MKF two finals one looking foolish and MVP bitch
GSL World championship was less of a GSL than IPL 5 by far
Of course the era matters if not Chamberlain and his 50points/game would be consider the greatest ever.
Maru should be higher I don't know were nestea is but Maru should be around that level, way above "no GSL no skill" Taeja (shots fired)
I agree with Leenock and DRG though
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10 INnoVation
9 Zest
8 PartinG
7 Polt
6 MMA
5 MC
4 Nestea
3 Taeja
2 Life
1 Mvp
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Poland3768 Posts
On April 13 2015 06:34 Philozovic wrote:
How can MKF be #11 in front of soO 4 times GSL finalist in a row i'm going to say it again 4 GSLs final in a row.
And don't bring me his MLG runs, Dear back to back GSL WCS was far more impressive and he isn't top 10 i can bet you that. MKF is by far the most overrated player of all time, he has less premiers than many foreigner and his GSL "run" are just terrible he beat a bunch of nobody just by controling his units better and all ining more on stepp of war.
Also MVP has 3 GSL not four and MKF two finals one looking foolish and MVP bitch
GSL World championship was less of a GSL than IPL 5 by far
Of course the era matters if not Chamberlain and his 50points/game would be consider the greatest ever.
Maru should be higher I don't know were nestea is but Maru should be around that level, way above "no GSL no skill" Taeja
I agree with Leenock and DRG though
Saying that TaeJa is "no skill" player is so unfair - it's just different skill to win GSL and to win weekend tournament. NesTea never excelled in the latter, TaeJa in the former.
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On April 13 2015 06:50 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 06:34 Philozovic wrote:
How can MKF be #11 in front of soO 4 times GSL finalist in a row i'm going to say it again 4 GSLs final in a row.
And don't bring me his MLG runs, Dear back to back GSL WCS was far more impressive and he isn't top 10 i can bet you that. MKF is by far the most overrated player of all time, he has less premiers than many foreigner and his GSL "run" are just terrible he beat a bunch of nobody just by controling his units better and all ining more on stepp of war.
Also MVP has 3 GSL not four and MKF two finals one looking foolish and MVP bitch
GSL World championship was less of a GSL than IPL 5 by far
Of course the era matters if not Chamberlain and his 50points/game would be consider the greatest ever.
Maru should be higher I don't know were nestea is but Maru should be around that level, way above "no GSL no skill" Taeja
I agree with Leenock and DRG though Saying that TaeJa is "no skill" player is so unfair - it's just different skill to win GSL and to win weekend tournament. NesTea never excelled in the latter, TaeJa in the former.
I should have put a shot fired tag sorry of course Taeja is great top 5 izi, probably #3 behind mvp (had he won 1 GSL I would have put him above mvp) and life so many premiers wins, series wins over the greatest players and a lot of ro8/ro4 GSL runs but no WCS no GSL should put him behind life and mvp
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On April 13 2015 06:50 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 06:34 Philozovic wrote:
How can MKF be #11 in front of soO 4 times GSL finalist in a row i'm going to say it again 4 GSLs final in a row.
And don't bring me his MLG runs, Dear back to back GSL WCS was far more impressive and he isn't top 10 i can bet you that. MKF is by far the most overrated player of all time, he has less premiers than many foreigner and his GSL "run" are just terrible he beat a bunch of nobody just by controling his units better and all ining more on stepp of war.
Also MVP has 3 GSL not four and MKF two finals one looking foolish and MVP bitch
GSL World championship was less of a GSL than IPL 5 by far
Of course the era matters if not Chamberlain and his 50points/game would be consider the greatest ever.
Maru should be higher I don't know were nestea is but Maru should be around that level, way above "no GSL no skill" Taeja
I agree with Leenock and DRG though Saying that TaeJa is "no skill" player is so unfair - it's just different skill to win GSL and to win weekend tournament. NesTea never excelled in the latter, TaeJa in the former.
it's not even like taeja ever did badly in gsl. he jsut didn't make it all the way and almost always went out agaisnt the eventual winner of the tournament.
in their hate for liquid bias people just want to overlook how great a player taeja is/was. for 3 years he consistently beat the top of the top, and more often than not he beat them decisively. only very few players like Life or piggod even have a positive winrate against taeja. denying that he is one of the three overall best players of the world and one of the most accomplished is jsut foolish.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 13 2015 07:01 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 06:50 nimdil wrote:On April 13 2015 06:34 Philozovic wrote:
How can MKF be #11 in front of soO 4 times GSL finalist in a row i'm going to say it again 4 GSLs final in a row.
And don't bring me his MLG runs, Dear back to back GSL WCS was far more impressive and he isn't top 10 i can bet you that. MKF is by far the most overrated player of all time, he has less premiers than many foreigner and his GSL "run" are just terrible he beat a bunch of nobody just by controling his units better and all ining more on stepp of war.
Also MVP has 3 GSL not four and MKF two finals one looking foolish and MVP bitch
GSL World championship was less of a GSL than IPL 5 by far
Of course the era matters if not Chamberlain and his 50points/game would be consider the greatest ever.
Maru should be higher I don't know were nestea is but Maru should be around that level, way above "no GSL no skill" Taeja
I agree with Leenock and DRG though Saying that TaeJa is "no skill" player is so unfair - it's just different skill to win GSL and to win weekend tournament. NesTea never excelled in the latter, TaeJa in the former. it's not even like taeja ever did badly in gsl. he jsut didn't make it all the way and almost always went out agaisnt the eventual winner of the tournament. in their hate for liquid bias people just want to overlook how great a player taeja is/was. for 3 years he consistently beat the top of the top, and more often than not he beat them decisively. only very few players like Life or piggod even have a positive winrate against taeja. denying that he is one of the three overall best players of the world and one of the most accomplished is jsut foolish.
In terms of all time Taeja is 29-20 against Life.
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On April 13 2015 07:05 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 07:01 Tanzklaue wrote:On April 13 2015 06:50 nimdil wrote:On April 13 2015 06:34 Philozovic wrote:
How can MKF be #11 in front of soO 4 times GSL finalist in a row i'm going to say it again 4 GSLs final in a row.
And don't bring me his MLG runs, Dear back to back GSL WCS was far more impressive and he isn't top 10 i can bet you that. MKF is by far the most overrated player of all time, he has less premiers than many foreigner and his GSL "run" are just terrible he beat a bunch of nobody just by controling his units better and all ining more on stepp of war.
Also MVP has 3 GSL not four and MKF two finals one looking foolish and MVP bitch
GSL World championship was less of a GSL than IPL 5 by far
Of course the era matters if not Chamberlain and his 50points/game would be consider the greatest ever.
Maru should be higher I don't know were nestea is but Maru should be around that level, way above "no GSL no skill" Taeja
I agree with Leenock and DRG though Saying that TaeJa is "no skill" player is so unfair - it's just different skill to win GSL and to win weekend tournament. NesTea never excelled in the latter, TaeJa in the former. it's not even like taeja ever did badly in gsl. he jsut didn't make it all the way and almost always went out agaisnt the eventual winner of the tournament. in their hate for liquid bias people just want to overlook how great a player taeja is/was. for 3 years he consistently beat the top of the top, and more often than not he beat them decisively. only very few players like Life or piggod even have a positive winrate against taeja. denying that he is one of the three overall best players of the world and one of the most accomplished is jsut foolish. In terms of all time Taeja is 29-20 against Life.
Aren't like  dreamertt,  Pigbaby and Flash the only players who never lost a series vs TaeJa in an offline tournament? TaeJa has dem solid winrates.
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On April 13 2015 07:09 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 07:05 stuchiu wrote:On April 13 2015 07:01 Tanzklaue wrote:On April 13 2015 06:50 nimdil wrote:On April 13 2015 06:34 Philozovic wrote:
How can MKF be #11 in front of soO 4 times GSL finalist in a row i'm going to say it again 4 GSLs final in a row.
And don't bring me his MLG runs, Dear back to back GSL WCS was far more impressive and he isn't top 10 i can bet you that. MKF is by far the most overrated player of all time, he has less premiers than many foreigner and his GSL "run" are just terrible he beat a bunch of nobody just by controling his units better and all ining more on stepp of war.
Also MVP has 3 GSL not four and MKF two finals one looking foolish and MVP bitch
GSL World championship was less of a GSL than IPL 5 by far
Of course the era matters if not Chamberlain and his 50points/game would be consider the greatest ever.
Maru should be higher I don't know were nestea is but Maru should be around that level, way above "no GSL no skill" Taeja
I agree with Leenock and DRG though Saying that TaeJa is "no skill" player is so unfair - it's just different skill to win GSL and to win weekend tournament. NesTea never excelled in the latter, TaeJa in the former. it's not even like taeja ever did badly in gsl. he jsut didn't make it all the way and almost always went out agaisnt the eventual winner of the tournament. in their hate for liquid bias people just want to overlook how great a player taeja is/was. for 3 years he consistently beat the top of the top, and more often than not he beat them decisively. only very few players like Life or piggod even have a positive winrate against taeja. denying that he is one of the three overall best players of the world and one of the most accomplished is jsut foolish. In terms of all time Taeja is 29-20 against Life. Aren't like dreamertt, Pigbaby and Flash the only players who never lost a series vs TaeJa in an offline tournament? TaeJa has dem solid winrates.
So what you're saying is Flash is the Greatest of All Time in SC2 as well.
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On April 13 2015 05:41 Elentos wrote:RIP reading. It died far too young.
one week?! kill me.
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On April 13 2015 07:05 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 07:01 Tanzklaue wrote:On April 13 2015 06:50 nimdil wrote:On April 13 2015 06:34 Philozovic wrote:
How can MKF be #11 in front of soO 4 times GSL finalist in a row i'm going to say it again 4 GSLs final in a row.
And don't bring me his MLG runs, Dear back to back GSL WCS was far more impressive and he isn't top 10 i can bet you that. MKF is by far the most overrated player of all time, he has less premiers than many foreigner and his GSL "run" are just terrible he beat a bunch of nobody just by controling his units better and all ining more on stepp of war.
Also MVP has 3 GSL not four and MKF two finals one looking foolish and MVP bitch
GSL World championship was less of a GSL than IPL 5 by far
Of course the era matters if not Chamberlain and his 50points/game would be consider the greatest ever.
Maru should be higher I don't know were nestea is but Maru should be around that level, way above "no GSL no skill" Taeja
I agree with Leenock and DRG though Saying that TaeJa is "no skill" player is so unfair - it's just different skill to win GSL and to win weekend tournament. NesTea never excelled in the latter, TaeJa in the former. it's not even like taeja ever did badly in gsl. he jsut didn't make it all the way and almost always went out agaisnt the eventual winner of the tournament. in their hate for liquid bias people just want to overlook how great a player taeja is/was. for 3 years he consistently beat the top of the top, and more often than not he beat them decisively. only very few players like Life or piggod even have a positive winrate against taeja. denying that he is one of the three overall best players of the world and one of the most accomplished is jsut foolish. In terms of all time Taeja is 29-20 against Life.
ah, i wasn't sure. i remembered that Life was taeja's kryptonite back in 2012, but taeja won more during life's downtime. i thought recent times might've brought life back to a positive winratio.
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On April 13 2015 07:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 07:09 Elentos wrote:On April 13 2015 07:05 stuchiu wrote:On April 13 2015 07:01 Tanzklaue wrote:On April 13 2015 06:50 nimdil wrote:On April 13 2015 06:34 Philozovic wrote:
How can MKF be #11 in front of soO 4 times GSL finalist in a row i'm going to say it again 4 GSLs final in a row.
And don't bring me his MLG runs, Dear back to back GSL WCS was far more impressive and he isn't top 10 i can bet you that. MKF is by far the most overrated player of all time, he has less premiers than many foreigner and his GSL "run" are just terrible he beat a bunch of nobody just by controling his units better and all ining more on stepp of war.
Also MVP has 3 GSL not four and MKF two finals one looking foolish and MVP bitch
GSL World championship was less of a GSL than IPL 5 by far
Of course the era matters if not Chamberlain and his 50points/game would be consider the greatest ever.
Maru should be higher I don't know were nestea is but Maru should be around that level, way above "no GSL no skill" Taeja
I agree with Leenock and DRG though Saying that TaeJa is "no skill" player is so unfair - it's just different skill to win GSL and to win weekend tournament. NesTea never excelled in the latter, TaeJa in the former. it's not even like taeja ever did badly in gsl. he jsut didn't make it all the way and almost always went out agaisnt the eventual winner of the tournament. in their hate for liquid bias people just want to overlook how great a player taeja is/was. for 3 years he consistently beat the top of the top, and more often than not he beat them decisively. only very few players like Life or piggod even have a positive winrate against taeja. denying that he is one of the three overall best players of the world and one of the most accomplished is jsut foolish. In terms of all time Taeja is 29-20 against Life. Aren't like dreamertt, Pigbaby and Flash the only players who never lost a series vs TaeJa in an offline tournament? TaeJa has dem solid winrates. So what you're saying is Flash is the Greatest of All Time in SC2 as well.
No Flash is the guy you call if TaeJa tries to make a comeback in SC2 from his quasi-retirement and you want to get rid of him  .
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soO way too low. Needs to be top 10 at least. 4 GSL finals is more impressive than just about any other accomplishment I can think of.
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On April 13 2015 07:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 07:09 Elentos wrote:On April 13 2015 07:05 stuchiu wrote:On April 13 2015 07:01 Tanzklaue wrote:On April 13 2015 06:50 nimdil wrote:On April 13 2015 06:34 Philozovic wrote:
How can MKF be #11 in front of soO 4 times GSL finalist in a row i'm going to say it again 4 GSLs final in a row.
And don't bring me his MLG runs, Dear back to back GSL WCS was far more impressive and he isn't top 10 i can bet you that. MKF is by far the most overrated player of all time, he has less premiers than many foreigner and his GSL "run" are just terrible he beat a bunch of nobody just by controling his units better and all ining more on stepp of war.
Also MVP has 3 GSL not four and MKF two finals one looking foolish and MVP bitch
GSL World championship was less of a GSL than IPL 5 by far
Of course the era matters if not Chamberlain and his 50points/game would be consider the greatest ever.
Maru should be higher I don't know were nestea is but Maru should be around that level, way above "no GSL no skill" Taeja
I agree with Leenock and DRG though Saying that TaeJa is "no skill" player is so unfair - it's just different skill to win GSL and to win weekend tournament. NesTea never excelled in the latter, TaeJa in the former. it's not even like taeja ever did badly in gsl. he jsut didn't make it all the way and almost always went out agaisnt the eventual winner of the tournament. in their hate for liquid bias people just want to overlook how great a player taeja is/was. for 3 years he consistently beat the top of the top, and more often than not he beat them decisively. only very few players like Life or piggod even have a positive winrate against taeja. denying that he is one of the three overall best players of the world and one of the most accomplished is jsut foolish. In terms of all time Taeja is 29-20 against Life. Aren't like dreamertt, Pigbaby and Flash the only players who never lost a series vs TaeJa in an offline tournament? TaeJa has dem solid winrates. So what you're saying is Flash is the Greatest of All Time in SC2 as well.
piggod > flash pls.
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On April 13 2015 07:15 vesicular wrote:
soO way too low. Needs to be top 10 at least. 4 GSL finals is more impressive than just about any other accomplishment I can think of.
How about winning 4 GSL finals?
Just kidding, but maybe wait until you see stuchiu's reasoning for the top 10 players before deciding whether you disagree? Maybe he'll bring up something that'll make you reconsider. That's like the main reason I'm not posting my opinion, I'm giddy to see the other parts of this list. T_T
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