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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
March 16 2015 07:01 GMT
#21
On March 16 2015 15:50 doihy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 15:45 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On March 16 2015 15:44 skylinefan wrote:
He's entertaining and educational enough for me and a lot of us out there. Why the hate people? If he is really viewbotting then the burden of proof to establish a prima facie case is on the accusers not winter. If he really is vb then it's a a shame really but that won't stop me and a lot of us who have been enjoying his content from continuing to enjoy his streams.

They literally just explained their reasoning in this post.

Good job, TeamLiquid. It's nice to see justice served. avilo mentioned HTOMario (also featured) has been viewerbotting as well. I don't watch Mario and thus don't know if this is true, but it perhaps warrants some investigation.




Couple days ago i saw him around 700 - 1000. I know he's been featured recently but before he was featured he was around 200 viewers on average.


I think that was from one the popular channels hosting him (forget which)
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laaaaaaaamee
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia95 Posts
March 16 2015 07:04 GMT
#22
DANIEL FENNER THAT IS ALL
tfw maru promises to show me good games
gasmeter
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom251 Posts
March 16 2015 07:04 GMT
#23
Thank god Winter is de-featured. Some people think he is entertaining. I just thought he was irritating, and couldn't understand why he had so many viewers.

I just went to his twitch channel and mentioned one little thing about the viewbotting... banned. Says it all really.
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bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
March 16 2015 07:05 GMT
#24
On March 16 2015 15:44 skylinefan wrote:
He's entertaining and educational enough for me and a lot of us out there. Why the hate people? If he is really viewbotting then the burden of proof to establish a prima facie case is on the accusers not winter. If he really is vb then it's a a shame really but that won't stop me and a lot of us who have been enjoying his content from continuing to enjoy his streams.
This isn't a court of law. TL can feature or unfeature whoever they want.

Also, this statement is false. True/false?
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
March 16 2015 07:09 GMT
#25
Sword of justice went to rightful hands.
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cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
March 16 2015 07:12 GMT
#26
Thank you TL!
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
March 16 2015 07:13 GMT
#27
There are jerks who will do anything to make someone look like they are crazy. A lot of them just have money to throw away to troll someone.

In my case, someone shelled out enough money to buy me like 60,000 fake twitter followers. Within a week twitter support took care of like 8,000. Then over the next three months, twitter took care of the rest of them when I emailed their support team.

On topic of the OP now, does this mean that I have what it takes to be feautured as a teamliquid streamer?
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
InDLegacy
Profile Joined March 2015
26 Posts
March 16 2015 07:17 GMT
#28
Oh please. Let me point out what this is really all about. This is about TL trying to avoid any of this drama. There are trolls all over Twitch and Reddit looking to create drama anywhere and everywhere Winter is advertised, and TL doesn't want any of it. If you honestly expect any rational person to accept that you can't gauge if Winter meets your 100-150 viewer requirement, viewbots or not, then you are trying too hard to come up with excuses. You can already look up stats on his subs, being way over that amount (Over 600).

Avilo has had an obsessive attitude towards Winter for a long time now. The kind that borders stalking. This is why any mention of his name warrants a time out in Winter's chat. I looked through that reddit post. I saw the proof. I agree that there has undoubtedly been viewbots on Winter's channel. Yet some of those "suspicious" accounts Avilo cites follow typical stupid naming schemes people have been using for decades now. Really? We're to suspect xxCloudUchihaxxk because his name is dumb and he is only following Winter?

There is only one party that can determine if Winter is at fault here. That is Twitch. All Twitch has done thus far is work with Winter to take measures to stop his channel from getting viewbot traffic. They have in the past banned streamers for viewboting. Yet here they haven't. I'm sorry but you can't just point out "Twitch is doing nothing about it" like they are simply choosing not to.

For anyone else, the burden of proof is on the accuser. The evidence Avilo presented is not good enough to determine if Winter backed those bots.

All being said. Winter HAS helped the Sc2 community. His viewership is the only way SC2 hits the top streamed games list when there are no professional games being streamed. For TL to take a stance like this so publicly, I can only find it disrespectful.
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
March 16 2015 07:17 GMT
#29
On March 16 2015 16:13 BreAKerTV wrote:
There are jerks who will do anything to make someone look like they are crazy. A lot of them just have money to throw away to troll someone.

In my case, someone shelled out enough money to buy me like 60,000 fake twitter followers. Within a week twitter support took care of like 8,000. Then over the next three months, twitter took care of the rest of them when I emailed their support team.

On topic of the OP now, does this mean that I have what it takes to be feautured as a teamliquid streamer?


Do you meet any of the requirements?
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
March 16 2015 07:22 GMT
#30
On March 16 2015 15:48 PiGStarcraft wrote:
Very happy with these changes. I like that it's actually stated that quality of content is now a path to getting featured. Just relying on viewer-counts to measure quality definitely had its holes.


For what its worth quality has always been a relevant factor in our decisions though in the past two years or so I've trended more towards objective measurements.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
March 16 2015 07:22 GMT
#31
On March 16 2015 16:17 KadaverBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 16:13 BreAKerTV wrote:
There are jerks who will do anything to make someone look like they are crazy. A lot of them just have money to throw away to troll someone.

In my case, someone shelled out enough money to buy me like 60,000 fake twitter followers. Within a week twitter support took care of like 8,000. Then over the next three months, twitter took care of the rest of them when I emailed their support team.

On topic of the OP now, does this mean that I have what it takes to be feautured as a teamliquid streamer?


Do you meet any of the requirements?

Let's just wait until early April. Maybe I'll apply then. Do these terms also apply to liquidlegends.net?
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
feardragon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States973 Posts
March 16 2015 07:23 GMT
#32
I wanted to recommend PiLiPiLi as a streamer to be featured. He's a pretty high ranked GM Protoss that is very active as both a player in tournaments, as well as a streamer. He almost always has a fair viewerbase of at least 100 after streaming for a bit and provides some good commentary with a really fun playstyle. I think he fits the criteria of a quality streamer because of this and his very heavy viewer interaction. He's a hard worker and I think he's definitely worth featuring.

http://www.twitch.tv/pilipili96
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 16 2015 07:24 GMT
#33
On March 16 2015 16:17 InDLegacy wrote:
Oh please. Let me point out what this is really all about. This is about TL trying to avoid any of this drama. There are trolls all over Twitch and Reddit looking to create drama anywhere and everywhere Winter is advertised, and TL doesn't want any of it. If you honestly expect any rational person to accept that you can't gauge if Winter meets your 100-150 viewer requirement, viewbots or not, then you are trying too hard to come up with excuses. You can already look up stats on his subs, being way over that amount (Over 600).

Avilo has had an obsessive attitude towards Winter for a long time now. The kind that borders stalking. This is why any mention of his name warrants a time out in Winter's chat. I looked through that reddit post. I saw the proof. I agree that there has undoubtedly been viewbots on Winter's channel. Yet some of those "suspicious" accounts Avilo cites follow typical stupid naming schemes people have been using for decades now. Really? We're to suspect xxCloudUchihaxxk because his name is dumb and he is only following Winter?

There is only one party that can determine if Winter is at fault here. That is Twitch. All Twitch has done thus far is work with Winter to take measures to stop his channel from getting viewbot traffic. They have in the past banned streamers for viewboting. Yet here they haven't. I'm sorry but you can't just point out "Twitch is doing nothing about it" like they are simply choosing not to.

For anyone else, the burden of proof is on the accuser. The evidence Avilo presented is not good enough to determine if Winter backed those bots.

All being said. Winter HAS helped the Sc2 community. His viewership is the only way SC2 hits the top streamed games list when there are no professional games being streamed. For TL to take a stance like this so publicly, I can only find it disrespectful.


He definitely meets the requirements to be featured without viewbots. Unfortunately, until the viewbots are purged and he can prove that he had no hand in being viewbotted, he also breaks one of the rules and must be defeatured.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Taidanii
Profile Joined April 2012
United States77 Posts
March 16 2015 07:24 GMT
#34
On March 16 2015 16:17 InDLegacy wrote:
Oh please. Let me point out what this is really all about. This is about TL trying to avoid any of this drama. There are trolls all over Twitch and Reddit looking to create drama anywhere and everywhere Winter is advertised, and TL doesn't want any of it. If you honestly expect any rational person to accept that you can't gauge if Winter meets your 100-150 viewer requirement, viewbots or not, then you are trying too hard to come up with excuses. You can already look up stats on his subs, being way over that amount (Over 600).

Avilo has had an obsessive attitude towards Winter for a long time now. The kind that borders stalking. This is why any mention of his name warrants a time out in Winter's chat. I looked through that reddit post. I saw the proof. I agree that there has undoubtedly been viewbots on Winter's channel. Yet some of those "suspicious" accounts Avilo cites follow typical stupid naming schemes people have been using for decades now. Really? We're to suspect xxCloudUchihaxxk because his name is dumb and he is only following Winter?

There is only one party that can determine if Winter is at fault here. That is Twitch. All Twitch has done thus far is work with Winter to take measures to stop his channel from getting viewbot traffic. They have in the past banned streamers for viewboting. Yet here they haven't. I'm sorry but you can't just point out "Twitch is doing nothing about it" like they are simply choosing not to.

For anyone else, the burden of proof is on the accuser. The evidence Avilo presented is not good enough to determine if Winter backed those bots.

All being said. Winter HAS helped the Sc2 community. His viewership is the only way SC2 hits the top streamed games list when there are no professional games being streamed. For TL to take a stance like this so publicly, I can only find it disrespectful.


The fact that you made an account on this site just to post in this thread indicates that you're biased to defending winter's ethics in this matter.

The community has collectively decided that the support of an individual that excels using illegitimate means is unwarranted. We apologize if this causes any inconvenience for you, or your friend winter
I love the only good Zerg girl, Scarlett. I also love Stephano. I'm not gay.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 16 2015 07:25 GMT
#35
also i am making a list and checking it twice, don't expect instant featuring, we still gotta review people
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Mapletech
Profile Joined September 2013
Canada2 Posts
March 16 2015 07:25 GMT
#36
Nice revision. It's definitely better to have a list of visible criteria rather than simply basing features off of raw (potentially inflated) numbers.

I feel like the featured streams list just became relevant to my interests again!
America's hat, or Canada's pants?
InDLegacy
Profile Joined March 2015
26 Posts
March 16 2015 07:27 GMT
#37
On March 16 2015 16:24 Taidanii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 16:17 InDLegacy wrote:
-snip-.


The fact that you made an account on this site just to post in this thread indicates that you're biased to defending winter's ethics in this matter.

The community has collectively decided that the support of an individual that excels using illegitimate means is unwarranted. We apologize if this causes any inconvenience for you, or your friend winter


Yeah so easy to checklist all the reasons to discredit someone's viewpoint. Rather than respond to the actual content of their reply. What a plebeian way of responding to someone.
Taidanii
Profile Joined April 2012
United States77 Posts
March 16 2015 07:29 GMT
#38
On March 16 2015 16:27 InDLegacy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 16:24 Taidanii wrote:
On March 16 2015 16:17 InDLegacy wrote:
-snip-.


The fact that you made an account on this site just to post in this thread indicates that you're biased to defending winter's ethics in this matter.

The community has collectively decided that the support of an individual that excels using illegitimate means is unwarranted. We apologize if this causes any inconvenience for you, or your friend winter


Yeah so easy to checklist all the reasons to discredit someone's viewpoint. Rather than respond to the actual content of their reply. What a plebeian way of responding to someone.


"The community has collectively decided that the support of an individual that excels using illegitimate means is unwarranted. We apologize if this causes any inconvenience for you, or your friend winter"
I love the only good Zerg girl, Scarlett. I also love Stephano. I'm not gay.
SirRobin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States269 Posts
March 16 2015 07:29 GMT
#39
Sweeet. Great post, I agree with it all. I can't wait to show you guys what I've got.
https://twitter.com/SirRobinSC2
codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 07:33:23
March 16 2015 07:32 GMT
#40
On March 16 2015 16:00 TJ31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 15:53 Rube_Juice wrote:
Nice to see that if sponsors / twitch aren't doing anything, TL still will. The right decision.

Well, twitch banned Eggy for view botting after the same guy from reddit posted evidence (link: http://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/2oxs0l/eggysc2_uses_viewbots_and_chatbots_heres_the/ ). Hopefully they'll ban Winter too, 'cause it's so obvious.
But yeah, I'm impressed by TL this time.

I talked to a twitch staff member (thrice) in avilo's stream tonight, and he said he'd forwarded the reddit posts to the appropriate twitch higher-ups. As you said they've already banned eggy, so I'm pretty optimistic that hammers will be droppin'.
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