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Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
January 31 2015 17:57 GMT
#61
While I do agree soO was better 2014, not giving Life a mention feels kinda weird. He won a DH and came 2nd one. Plus he won Blizzcon..
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 31 2015 17:58 GMT
#62
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??

The liquid bias is too strong!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 17:59:53
January 31 2015 17:58 GMT
#63
On February 01 2015 02:57 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:53 Dodgin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:48 TheDwf wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:45 Dodgin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:39 Lorning wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:35 Dodgin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


One of them actually won tournaments in 2014, and it was not Maru

Wow, I'm sure he had such a hard time beating Americans


TIL Trap and Cure are Americans

This one was still "only" a 8 players Premier. 3 series and you're in final. Reaching Code S RO4 is already 5-7 series.


That's not the only tournament he won

I know, but the other was WCS America with 4 series against Koreans (so quite similar to the Redbull actually, 3 series into TvT finals) and that one was just... lol


There's also 2nd in S2, one game away from winning. Bomber had a good year(although an admittedly disappointing blizzcon)
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 31 2015 17:59 GMT
#64
Have to agree with all of these but Frost as the map of 2014. I think it shouldn't have been included as it was made in 2013.

If you want to be considered the best Terran of the year, don't choke in every foreign tournament or qualifier .

"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Arvediu
Profile Joined December 2011
Spain69 Posts
January 31 2015 17:59 GMT
#65
I appreciate the effort TL writers do but... omg dat bias...
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15937 Posts
January 31 2015 18:02 GMT
#66
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.


who would you suggest instead of taeja?
INnoVation did nothing except his gsl win, maru was incredible the first half of the year but didn't win a tournament, bomber was strong but if you say taeja can only win vs foreigners (and occasionaly vs 1-2 koreans) you have to say the same about bomber.
TaeJa has all arguments on his side. He won the most tournaments. he has beaten every top player of the year (zest, life, inno, soo, solar etc.). was the only terran who won tournaments during the blink era.

I have no idea where all the anti-taeja bias comes from when he consistently beats the best players korea has to offer and is winning tournaments left and right. There was no terran this year (except maybe maru in the first half of the year) who even came close to taeja.
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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5586 Posts
January 31 2015 18:09 GMT
#67
On February 01 2015 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:
who would you suggest instead of taeja?

I'll give you a hint: He's 8-1 against Taeja
don't wall off against random
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
January 31 2015 18:10 GMT
#68
Runner up to most entertaining player is Has?

Fuck you tl writers you pack of goddamn hacks.
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Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 18:12:21
January 31 2015 18:10 GMT
#69
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


Between those two someone also has 11 championships and it's not Innovation. Why didn't he win any of those foreign international tournaments if they're so easy to achieve? He attempted plenty.
tjtombo
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
January 31 2015 18:10 GMT
#70
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15937 Posts
January 31 2015 18:13 GMT
#71
On February 01 2015 03:09 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:
who would you suggest instead of taeja?

I'll give you a hint: He's 8-1 against Taeja

who?
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 31 2015 18:14 GMT
#72
On February 01 2015 03:13 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:09 rotta wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:
who would you suggest instead of taeja?

I'll give you a hint: He's 8-1 against Taeja

who?

the one and only who salvaged bunkers vs Billowy
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
January 31 2015 18:16 GMT
#73
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Not to mention that he's been doing it for over 3 years in a row. Plenty of GSL winners who win that tournament once and then never manage to achieve much of anything ever again.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 31 2015 18:18 GMT
#74
Sick graphics, sick article, and Snute yeah :D
But that map award section... Fuck Foxtrot? Like, for real? You realize that according to TLPD, Foxtrot's stats are more balanced than Frost's, right?
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uThermal
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands165 Posts
January 31 2015 18:19 GMT
#75
Best Finals
of the Year
Polt vs. HerO

....how? lol
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 31 2015 18:19 GMT
#76
On February 01 2015 03:14 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:13 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:09 rotta wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:
who would you suggest instead of taeja?

I'll give you a hint: He's 8-1 against Taeja

who?

the one and only who salvaged bunkers vs Billowy

"And then Billowy said let there be a salvage. And God salvaged and it was good."
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 31 2015 18:19 GMT
#77
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Come On, Taeja obviously won the most tournaments. For that you just barely need to be able to count. But claiming that he was a better player than Maru and Innovation is just wrong.
If that's the argumentation in favor of Taeja, then it would have to be applied for Life+Solar>soO too. Which everyone knows is stupid because 3 GSL finals in a row can basically only be beaten with GSL championships. Which leads back to Innovation who got a GSL championship and Taeja didn't.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
January 31 2015 18:21 GMT
#78
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Why, when you quite clearly agree with what I said i.e. that top terran isn't clear cut and lots of people have a claim to it, are you being so aggressive and misrepresenting what I said?

I in no way said he can only barely beat top players, I said that at the tournaments he won, he only beat 1 or 2 top tier players (i.e. only zest and arguably solar at that tournament), and at other tournaments he gets smashed by random players (i.e. 2-0 by leenock etc at other tournaments).

Please don't try to start arguments with people that you agree with for the sake of causing drama. Stop assuming that anyone that thinks other players should have been considered is automatically a "hater". We just have different opinions to the TL writers. There's no need to be aggressive.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15937 Posts
January 31 2015 18:22 GMT
#79
On February 01 2015 03:14 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:13 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:09 rotta wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:
who would you suggest instead of taeja?

I'll give you a hint: He's 8-1 against Taeja

who?

the one and only who salvaged bunkers vs Billowy


oh sorry, i forgot flash.
Well, then i think it's true that taeja has gotten the award only because of tl bias.
Flash did really achieve more this year.
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pretender58
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany713 Posts
January 31 2015 18:25 GMT
#80
Without a doubt, sOs vs marineking was the best finals in 2014.
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