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Rocket-Bear
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote: TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa. And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru?? The liquid bias is too strong! | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On February 01 2015 02:57 TheDwf wrote: I know, but the other was WCS America with 4 series against Koreans (so quite similar to the Redbull actually, 3 series into TvT finals) and that one was just... lol There's also 2nd in S2, one game away from winning. Bomber had a good year(although an admittedly disappointing blizzcon) | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
If you want to be considered the best Terran of the year, don't choke in every foreign tournament or qualifier  . | ||
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Arvediu
Spain69 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15953 Posts
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote: How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS). I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous. Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data. who would you suggest instead of taeja? INnoVation did nothing except his gsl win, maru was incredible the first half of the year but didn't win a tournament, bomber was strong but if you say taeja can only win vs foreigners (and occasionaly vs 1-2 koreans) you have to say the same about bomber. TaeJa has all arguments on his side. He won the most tournaments. he has beaten every top player of the year (zest, life, inno, soo, solar etc.). was the only terran who won tournaments during the blink era. I have no idea where all the anti-taeja bias comes from when he consistently beats the best players korea has to offer and is winning tournaments left and right. There was no terran this year (except maybe maru in the first half of the year) who even came close to taeja. | ||
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rotta
5586 Posts
On February 01 2015 03:02 Charoisaur wrote: who would you suggest instead of taeja? I'll give you a hint: He's 8-1 against Taeja | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
Fuck you tl writers you pack of goddamn hacks. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote: TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa. And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru?? Between those two someone also has 11 championships and it's not Innovation. Why didn't he win any of those foreign international tournaments if they're so easy to achieve? He attempted plenty. | ||
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tjtombo
United States295 Posts
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote: How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS). I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous. Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data. That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true. TLDR The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15953 Posts
On February 01 2015 03:09 rotta wrote: I'll give you a hint: He's 8-1 against Taeja who? | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
the one and only who salvaged bunkers vs Billowy | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote: That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true. TLDR The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea. Not to mention that he's been doing it for over 3 years in a row. Plenty of GSL winners who win that tournament once and then never manage to achieve much of anything ever again. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
But that map award section... Fuck Foxtrot? Like, for real? You realize that according to TLPD, Foxtrot's stats are more balanced than Frost's, right? | ||
uThermal
Netherlands165 Posts
of the Year Polt vs. HerO ....how? lol | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On February 01 2015 03:14 Ej_ wrote: the one and only who salvaged bunkers vs Billowy "And then Billowy said let there be a salvage. And God salvaged and it was good." - Book of SwagHo 1:1 | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote: That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true. TLDR The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea. Come On, Taeja obviously won the most tournaments. For that you just barely need to be able to count. But claiming that he was a better player than Maru and Innovation is just wrong. If that's the argumentation in favor of Taeja, then it would have to be applied for Life+Solar>soO too. Which everyone knows is stupid because 3 GSL finals in a row can basically only be beaten with GSL championships. Which leads back to Innovation who got a GSL championship and Taeja didn't. | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote: That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true. TLDR The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea. Why, when you quite clearly agree with what I said i.e. that top terran isn't clear cut and lots of people have a claim to it, are you being so aggressive and misrepresenting what I said? I in no way said he can only barely beat top players, I said that at the tournaments he won, he only beat 1 or 2 top tier players (i.e. only zest and arguably solar at that tournament), and at other tournaments he gets smashed by random players (i.e. 2-0 by leenock etc at other tournaments). Please don't try to start arguments with people that you agree with for the sake of causing drama. Stop assuming that anyone that thinks other players should have been considered is automatically a "hater". We just have different opinions to the TL writers. There's no need to be aggressive. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15953 Posts
On February 01 2015 03:14 Ej_ wrote: the one and only who salvaged bunkers vs Billowy oh sorry, i forgot flash. Well, then i think it's true that taeja has gotten the award only because of tl bias. Flash did really achieve more this year. | ||
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pretender58
Germany713 Posts
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