EPTPinnacle voids Dark vs. San bets due to match manipulation…
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On January 21 2015 04:57 ZeromuS wrote: So you believe that pinnacle is 100% correct. And that there is matchfixing when pinnacle's only statement is that there was an odd betting pattern? "The bet placement pattern clearly indicates that the match was not played on a fair basis" The bet placement. No mention of external news to trigger this other than bet placement as the reason for voiding the match. I think you shouldn't be making the grand claim of match fixing without there being additional proof of the fact. In other scenes lately any match fixing accusations are backed up by at least some modicum of proof other than bet placement and betting lines that occurred once and the numbers of which were not public ... No, I'm saying Pinnacle would never say this just to avoid paying money (remember lots of us also got our money back because our bets on San were also voided) Pinnacle 100% didn't scam. However, it is still possible that it was false positive, that all bets were regular, just coincidentally suspicious. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12389 Posts
On January 21 2015 04:58 Clonester wrote: only some celeb news watcher would say this. A betting site needs the trust of its costoumers. Manipulated betting destroys it. Or does General Motors think "oh yeah, we had to get Millions of Cars back because we did shit, that will boost our sells." That's a weak analogy. In the case of General Motors they would be the ones doing the mistake in the first place. In the case of Pinnacle they would only be the ones correcting it. From that standpoint it makes sense from a company stand point to shut down anything weird. And it makes sense on our part to wait for more to make our minds on the actual game. | ||
Clubfan
Germany913 Posts
Yesterday professional league performances this not be a good idea to cast a yokmeok as the situation seems to be less ever tried anything like it becomes serious. It is not good performances did not have a lot of good to practice recently wrist and shoulder. Hospitals friggin does not only reduced the yeonseupryang no apparent HUNG better. The dividend was paid up and all of a sudden I'm not sure the players bakryeongwoo be clarification of what I should do. Unfair and frustrating ... I really doubt you will meet me if I will cooperate with the investigation. Next time I'll be ready to work hard to talk about this annaoh. Sorry kkichyeoseo has caused a star to the fans. He also said that an english version will follow. | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On January 21 2015 04:54 HeyImFinn wrote: Two things: 1. Look at the minimap. He's microing his stalkers to kill an overlord. 2. Look at his face after it happens. Really, what is he doing from 8:04 to 8:08? We're talking 8 seconds, at 200 apm that's a huge amount of actions to not even move your msc. Is it better to recall instead of just move the msc? | ||
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RiskyChris
125 Posts
On January 21 2015 04:26 ossavi09 wrote: It's not "protecting their customers" as long as they give no proof of matchfixing. They can just void bets for all games they lose money and explain that those results were "suspicious". ... You do realize that the only way pinnacle losses money is by voiding a bet right? | ||
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MorDka
Poland543 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:02 dsousa wrote: Really, what is he doing from 8:04 to 8:08? We're talking 8 seconds, at 200 apm that's a huge amount of actions to not even move your msc. Is it better to recall instead of just move the msc? Just stop this BS pls | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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VanSCPurge
United States169 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:02 dsousa wrote: Really, what is he doing from 8:04 to 8:08? We're talking 8 seconds, at 200 apm that's a huge amount of actions to not even move your msc. Is it better to recall instead of just move the msc? Let's be honest, pros DO make mistakes sometimes too. It is completely possible that he just didn't catch it in time. I have seen countless pros on stream lose a hatch or a msc because they thought it could live 1-2 seconds longer than it could, so they prioritized other things. It happens. These guys are really, really good at this game, but not perfect. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13395 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:01 bLah. wrote: No, I'm saying Pinnacle would never say this just to avoid paying money (remember lots of us also got our money back because our bets on San were also voided) Pinnacle 100% didn't scam. However, it is still possible that it was false positive, that all bets were regular, just coincidentally suspicious. Then why are you getting so angry when people say that they aren't taking pinnacle's statement as relating to matchfixing on face value? I think you need to calm down in that regard. I understand Pinnacle wouldn't do this to avoid paying money. But perhaps they would do it to avoid the risk that something skewed the betting oddly to protect themselves against matchfixing or future potential matchfixing. It is IMO more likely to be a false positive with the "safe" decision to act on the false positive rather than a true positive and the damning and accusatory decision to act on it. | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
Yes, lets stick our heads in the sand and wish it away. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:02 Clubfan wrote: San's twitter (translated with Google Translator^^) He also said that an english version will follow. TL;DR: His wrist and shoulders have been bad recently. He did visit the hospital but there were no signs of improvement so he decided to practice less instead. He also doesn't know how to respond to the Pnnnacle/Bets (in other words, he's as confused as everyone else is). He's frustrated and feels unfair that such accusations were made. If there are any investigations because people are still accusing him, he will cooperate fully with the investigators. He also promises to make sure that such accusations will be never made again by preparing harder. | ||
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Rocket-Bear
3070 Posts
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On January 21 2015 04:19 tree.hugger wrote: Seems unlikely to me that we'll get detailed evidence from Pinnacle. They are confident in their own detection methods, they won't feel that they have anything to prove. Additionally, releasing data about what they view as suspicious would aid fixers in the future. Nobody wants another Calm here, but nobody wants another sAviOr either. Very tough situation. Wisest words ever on this stream. Lets all relax and wait until the truth unfolds. | ||
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MorDka
Poland543 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:07 dsousa wrote: Yes, lets stick our heads in the sand and wish it away. yeah san just suicided his mothership on puprose, to make this game not look suspicious while trowing a game. Just stop this | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
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PepsiMaxxxx
Sweden5452 Posts
After playing poorly in yesterday's Proleague game, I thought 'I guess I'm gonna get bashed again.' But it seems like the situation has become a lot more serious than that, and I felt that I should say something about it. My play was poor because I haven't been able to practice much lately, as my wrist and shoulders haven't been feeling good. I've been to the hospital for treatment but things didn't seem to be getting any better, so I reduced my practice time. Regarding the betting lines shifting suddenly in Dark's favor -- I have no idea what i'm supposed to say about that. It's extremely frustrating and it feels so unfair... If I'm under suspicion, then I'll agree to and be cooperative with an investigation. I'll do my best to prepare hard and win so this kind of talk doesn't come out again. Sorry to all of the StarCraft 2 fans out there for making you worry. | ||
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Faefae
2203 Posts
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
My play was poor because I haven't been able to practice much lately, as my wrist and shoulders haven't been feeling good. I've been to the hospital for treatment but things didn't seem to be getting any better, so I reduced my practice time. Regarding the betting lines shifting suddenly in Dark's favor -- I have no idea what i'm supposed to say about that. It's extremely frustrating and it feels so unfair... If I'm under suspicion, then I'll agree to and be cooperative with an investigation. I'll do my best to prepare hard and win so this kind of talk doesn't come out again. Sorry to all of the StarCraft 2 fans out there for making you worry. Source : http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sk5aog | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13395 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:08 supernovamaniac wrote: TL;DR: His wrist and shoulders have been bad recently. He did visit the hospital but there were no signs of improvement so he decided to practice less instead. He also doesn't know how to respond to the Pnnnacle/Bets (in other words, he's as confused as everyone else is). He's frustrated and feels unfair that such accusations were made. If there are any investigations because people are still accusing him, he will cooperate fully with the investigators. He also promises to make sure that such accusations will be never made again by preparing harder. The english version from San: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sk5aog After playing poorly in yesterday's Proleague game, I thought 'I guess I'm gonna get bashed again.' But it seems like the situation has become a lot more serious than that, and I felt that I should say something about it. My play was poor because I haven't been able to practice much lately, as my wrist and shoulders haven't been feeling good. I've been to the hospital for treatment but things didn't seem to be getting any better, so I reduced my practice time. Regarding the betting lines shifting suddenly in Dark's favor -- I have no idea what i'm supposed to say about that. It's extremely frustrating and it feels so unfair... If I'm under suspicion, then I'll agree to and be cooperative with an investigation. I'll do my best to prepare hard and win so this kind of talk doesn't come out again. Sorry to all of the StarCraft 2 fans out there for making you worry. Seems entirely reasonable to me -_- | ||
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