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Power Rank - Post-Blizzcon Edition

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November 12th, 2014 22:03 GMT

Power Rank

Post-Blizzcon

Although this ranking was originally set for publishing on the 1st of November, I decided that with the WCS Global Ro16 taking place and the rest of the playoffs happening just a week later, it would become too obsolete too quickly. It has now been revised in order to be up-to-date with the results of the WCS Finals and thus covers all of October in addition to the final WCS tournament of the year.

  • This Power Rank weights performance at the WCS Global Finals very heavily. Although results in the past month were looked at in order to determine exact placing, the year's ultimate tournament takes precedence because of its magnitude, format and overall level of competition.
  • The Power Rank takes into account both results, the difficulty of opponents faced, and how good a player looked - both in victory and defeat.
  • A player's placement on the Power Rank does not suggest that the player is better or worse than a higher ranked player in head-to-head. This ranking is an overall appraisal of a player, not an attempt to answer the question ”Who beats who?”





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Bomber

Bomber made it to Blizzcon as the #1 received and was rewarded by being allowed to face Jaedong in the first round. But even there, against an opponent he was supposed to beat handily, he was met with trouble. Edging out a relatively on-form JD and moving on to face MMA in the Ro8 made it seem like the more serious threat had been dealy with. His loss to MMA, in the light of his brutal stomping of Cure and repeated victories against Polt, was surprising. Bomber played well, but his play wasn't as crisp or as without fault as it has been during some periods this year. The one game he won was in typical Bomber fashion, but the ones he lost were more reminiscent of his 2012/2013 days of brutal inconsistency than the Bomber we've come to know as a constant championship threat in 2014. I would love to place Bomber higher on this ranking because the games he played versus MMA were so entertaining, but there are no other players I would bump down for entertainment factor alone. Perhaps losing to the eventual finalist - evidently in some of the best form in MMA's recent career - can be of some consolation.




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herO

proxy 2 gate. proxy two gate. sOs Proxy 2 gate. Proxy 2 gate. Proxy two gates. Proxy two gateways. Zest Proxy 2 gate. Proximity 2 gateways. 2 Proxy gateways. 2 Gateways in Proximity. 2 gate. Classic Proxy 2 gate. Too. Gates. Proxy to the Proxy Gate. forward 2 gates. 2 gates in forward proximity. proxy gate + proxy gate = proxy 2 gate. Proxy the 2 gate. Naniwa. 2 gate. Not Warpgate. 2 gates in proxy.
Proxy 2 gate? PROXY 2 GATE!

Seriously, herO, scout your damn base. Katowice should have taught you that people will happily proxy you when $100.000 are on the line.
With thanks to stuchiu for creative input





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Solar

While a large part of the world elite traveled to Burbank and Anaheim to duke it out for the title of World Champion, Solar and a small contingent of Korean players made their way to Taiwan for the MSI Beat IT tournament. There, Solar tore through a playoffs lineup of First, Rogue and Parting (staging a comeback from an 0-2 deficit in the finals) and made it look fairly easy. Although not all games were streamed, it's safe to assume that Solar at least properly scouted, both his opponent's bases and his own. With his championship in Taipei, Solar maintains his spot as one of the world's three best Zergs and the spot as the by far most underrated multiple champion.




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Classic

It should tell you quite a bit about Classic that some people were surprised when he - a fairly recent GSL champion - made it to the semifinals. His run was not as illustrious as Life's or Taeja's, but his breadth of strategy versus Polt and the complete calm under pressure versus herO (in other words, his opponent's polar opposite) are both important parts of being a championship contender. With that said, the loss he suffered against MMA hurt his credibility somewhat. I may be underestimating MMA, but the engagements Classic took against the Acer Terran were uncharacteristically poor - at least in part forced by MMA, granted - and that hurt him badly.




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MMA

After a tournament of Blizzcon's magnitude, I feel a little bad for not placing MMA any higher. With that said, I also cannot find grounds for putting him above any of the remaining five. He made a mostly impressive surprise run to the finals by beating Stardust 3-1, Bomber 3-1 and Classic 3-1 before falling to Life in unceremonious fashion. After the finals, I'm left asking how things could have happened different. Undoubtedly MMA's form was the best it had been in a long time, his TvP and TvT looking better than it has in a long while. So what if MMA had faced herO in the semifinals, would he have won that match? Or against Jaedong in the quarterfinals? Could he have made something happen against Taeja, with the beating he gave Bomber in mind?

For me, the answer to all of these questions is a tentative "No". MMA made it three rounds deeper than I expected him to before the Global Finals began, and perhaps I am giving him too little credit, but I still cannot shake the feeling that he dodged several bullets on his way to the finals. Whether he dodged those by virtue of his own skill and preparatin or because his opponents crumbled and the brackets turned out favorably, I cannot confidently say. But when you feel like a player didn't achieve what he did through his own strength alone, that's usually an indication that you also don't consider him one of the best in the world.




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soO

There isn't much I can say for soO's Ro16 elimination from the Global Finals other than that he lost in the most honorable way possible for someone like him: he did not choke, he did not make mistakes that he would not make on other, smaller stages, and he played to the best of his abilities. Against Taeja's his standard level of play, with all that it entails, that simply wasn't enough. I don't doubt that he could have given Innovation a run for his money in the quarterfinals or made Life fight tooth and nail in the semifinals, but those scenarios belong to the long list of "What if?" that follows soO around while other players rise and surpass his quiet consistency.




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Zest

Like soO, Zest will remember this Blizzcon as a tournament of unfulfilled expectations. The player most expected to make it deep into the tournament losing in the Ro16 was surprising, the way in which he lost even more so. Uncharacteristic mistakes - whether they were forced by a fear of Life's unusual style or lingering effects of jetlag - haunted Zest in all five games he played against Life, and his elimination meant that I would have no more games to judge him from. He played mostly well in October, but failing to build on his reputation as the best player in the world makes it hard for me to give him any more than a fourth place based on past merits. Next year, Zest, next year.





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INnoVation

While fellow GSL his fellow KeSPA stars soO and Zest were eliminated due to simply not being good enough on the given day and for their given match, Innovation's defeat at the hands of Taeja feels a little unclean, a little questionable. I don't doubt Taeja's mental composure or that the Liquid Terran's experience with hour-long delays and the unique features of international tournaments made him better fit to handle delays than Innovation, but I also admit to not being completely sure about whether or not Taeja could have beaten Innovation without those delays. As the night dragged on and yet new issues emerged to succeed past ones, Innovation seemed to slowly crumble. At some point, he looked on the verge of tears. You might argue that mental composure is a key part of being a progamer and I would agree, but that does not change the fact that Innovation won a fairly clean first game through classic high-level TvT and played like someone else entirely once the breaks were over and the games resumed.

He looked every bit as sharp against Hyun as he did when he beat soO to take home the final GSL of the year, so perhaps his focus had been on TvZ more so than TvT. Perhaps he expected a rematch against soO in the quarterfinals. It is impossible to say exactly how well Innovation could have done against Taeja if those delays had never happened and his keyboard had never broken. Taeja was in great shape at the time, but the questionable circumstances of the entire match makes it hard for me to judge Innovation completely fairly.




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Taeja

The fact that the lower half of the Blizzcon bracket was much more stacked than the upper part made it clear that the eventual champion would eventually emerge from those eight players. Of contenders like Zest, soO and Innovation, Taeja faced the opponent most likely to take him out – soO – and made him look like a joke in at least one game, remaining ahead and fighting better against a renowned for being almost perfect in these areas.

Beating soO was a statement, a challenge to the remaining champions in the tournament. Although the final quarterfinal would be haunted and tarnished by technical difficulties, disconnects and hardware issues, Taeja remained completely calm while his opponent Innovation imploded, destabilized and brought out of his element by factors he couldn't control. But after his first loss against Life, the aura of invincibility he had radiated against soO and Innovation dissipated, and as his mentality broke Life found a way to beat him. Unquestionably, Taeja was one of the best players at Blizzcon. But ultimately, losing to Life when it mattered the most was uncharacteristic and enough to stop him from taking the championship.




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Life

If one single thing has characterized Life's career, it has to be perseverence in the face of seemingly insurmountable opposition. Very few saw Life as a true contender for the WCS title when he was paired with triple champion Zest in the first round. His victory there – one long and awkwardly executed game on Nimbus aside – indicated that he had come to Blizzcon with his eyes set firmly on the trophy, but it remained hard to believe that he could make it happen. And yet, every step that took him closer was a step where he displayed all of the skills that once made him the best player in the world. Against both Zest and San he showed that preparation is something he, too, can learn to master, and that greed as a way to fight greed is something he is more than willing to utilize.

But although the matches against Zest and San spoke volumes about how good Life can be when he is truly on his game, he shoots to the first spot on this ranking for his match against Taeja. The Liquid Terran is a monster in tournaments where instincts, composure and mechanics play a larger role than preparation. He excels in turning chaos into his order, beating down aggression and outmaneuvering unorthodox players to ultimately win with play that looks standard. When you consider that he made soO, four-time GSL finalist and (previously) considered the best Zerg in the world, look outmatched in ZvT it makes Life's victory over Taeja so much more meaningful. After their series, no one can say that Life did not have the skill to take Taeja on in straight-up macro, or that he isn't one of few capable of tilting him. Game 2 was a display in how to bring the most mentally composed Terran in the world out of his comfort zone and pick him apart in the kind of game he normally does not ever lose.

After the matches against Zest and Taeja, sweeping MMA aside to take the championship was a formality. Although his run to the championship itself is worthy of much respect, the manner in which he made it there is what truly puts him above all others with Blizzcon now behind us. In reproducing exactly the kind of run he made in 2012, Life can now proudly call himself both World Champion and the best player in the world.



WRITERS: Zealously
COMPLIMENTARY WIT: Stuchiu
GRAPHICS: shiroiusagi
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EDITORS: Zealously
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14456 Posts
November 12 2014 22:05 GMT
#2
WRITERS: ZEALOUSLY


:D
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
November 12 2014 22:06 GMT
#3
Enjoyable read! Still Bomber at 10 feels a bit low to me.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 12 2014 22:06 GMT
#4
On November 13 2014 07:05 Aeromi wrote:
WRITERS: ZEALOUSLY


:D


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iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
November 12 2014 22:07 GMT
#5
Honestly I feel that Rain should have got the 10th spot.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13387 Posts
November 12 2014 22:07 GMT
#6
On November 13 2014 07:05 Aeromi wrote:
WRITERS: ZEALOUSLY


:D


Its also kinda hard not to put one of the best performances in the most important tournament of the year in number one slot ^^
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Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
November 12 2014 22:10 GMT
#7
Haha, Taeja's #2 story is all about soO
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 12 2014 22:10 GMT
#8
On November 13 2014 07:07 iHirO wrote:
Honestly I feel that Rain should have got the 10th spot.


Rain was actually #10 in my original draft, but excluding Bomber in favor of a player that played no offline games in October and didn't attend Blizzcon felt absurd.
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
November 12 2014 22:10 GMT
#9
No Rain. Worst list ever.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
November 12 2014 22:11 GMT
#10
Fuck yeah Zealously! This is an awesome ranking
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Belgica34432 Posts
November 12 2014 22:12 GMT
#11
God, I wish it were Friday already
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Norway9 Posts
November 12 2014 22:13 GMT
#12
it's INnoVation and TaeJa, not Innovation and Taeja xD
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Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
November 12 2014 22:14 GMT
#13
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.
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gneGne
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Netherlands697 Posts
November 12 2014 22:14 GMT
#14
Cmon.. MMAs run was every bit as astounding as was Life's. You don't just end up in the finals on sheer luck.
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Profile Joined June 2014
2202 Posts
November 12 2014 22:17 GMT
#15
Ahahah Life #1 :D
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 12 2014 22:17 GMT
#16
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere. The tournament was so prestigious and so important to the players that they would pull no punches and spare no expenses to win their matches. Similar to The International for Dota2 and Worlds for LoL in that regard. Questioning the validity of the tournament's line-up after all three of this year's champions and the four-time finalist were all taken out by players either in Code B or not playing in the GSL seems more funky than anything.
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 22:21:12
November 12 2014 22:18 GMT
#17
I approve this Power Rank.
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16836 Posts
November 12 2014 22:18 GMT
#18
bomber should ahve been higher but ok

i agree with life taeja inno. bump soo up, give mma soo's spot and bomber there

classic solar hero after that
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
November 12 2014 22:23 GMT
#19
On November 13 2014 07:14 gneGne wrote:
Cmon.. MMAs run was every bit as astounding as was Life's. You don't just end up in the finals on sheer luck.

StarDust/Bomber/Classic isn't actually every bit as astounding as Zest/San/Taeja/Stomping MMA in the finals.
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Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
November 12 2014 22:24 GMT
#20
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere.


Just like in tennis where the olympics are weighted the same as a grand slam in rankings! Oh wait...
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
November 12 2014 22:25 GMT
#21
Huh, Life 1st? I don't recall Effort taking 1st spot in Power Rank after beating Flash in OSL final. TaeJa and Zest 1/2 and Life 3rd. One run is not enough.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 12 2014 22:25 GMT
#22
lol taeja gets 8 slots higher than bomber even though he lost in WCS AM as usual

joke
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17628 Posts
November 12 2014 22:25 GMT
#23
On November 13 2014 07:24 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere.


Just like in tennis where the olympics are weighted the same as a grand slam in rankings! Oh wait...

I noticed you left out the rest of the quote
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
November 12 2014 22:29 GMT
#24
On November 13 2014 07:24 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere.


Just like in tennis where the olympics are weighted the same as a grand slam in rankings! Oh wait...

You just picked one sport out of the entire olympics and think you won the argument TT
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17628 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 22:31:40
November 12 2014 22:31 GMT
#25
On November 13 2014 07:29 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:24 Yonnua wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere.


Just like in tennis where the olympics are weighted the same as a grand slam in rankings! Oh wait...

You just picked one sport out of the entire olympics and think you won the argument TT

not to mention the whole part where all the GSL finalists of the year lost before the semifinals...(except Classic who lost in the semifinals, forgot about him lol)
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Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
November 12 2014 22:32 GMT
#26
After the Zest preview article, Life HAD to be number one for winning Blizzcon.
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
November 12 2014 22:32 GMT
#27
On November 13 2014 07:25 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:24 Yonnua wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere.


Just like in tennis where the olympics are weighted the same as a grand slam in rankings! Oh wait...

I noticed you left out the rest of the quote

Worth to note that results wise there's no indication that the number of WCS KR players is that important as WCS KR representatives were in no way dominating.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 12 2014 22:32 GMT
#28
On November 13 2014 07:24 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere.


Just like in tennis where the olympics are weighted the same as a grand slam in rankings! Oh wait...

Yeah and Jamaica Championship in athletism is totally more prestigious than Olympic Games.
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Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
November 12 2014 22:32 GMT
#29
These power ranks seem so inconsistent. Sometimes the month performance doesn't seem to matter much more than consistency and sometimes it is enough to instantly catapult a player to rank 1. In the end the WCS finals only were 4 matches. If these ranks were made like the one where Rain won, Bomber should be much higher. He won RBBG and WCS America after all.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 12 2014 22:33 GMT
#30
On November 13 2014 07:24 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere.


Just like in tennis where the olympics are weighted the same as a grand slam in rankings! Oh wait...


Yes, I said every sport
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 12 2014 22:34 GMT
#31
On November 13 2014 07:25 nimdil wrote:
Huh, Life 1st? I don't recall Effort taking 1st spot in Power Rank after beating Flash in OSL final. TaeJa and Zest 1/2 and Life 3rd. One run is not enough.


I didn't write BW Power Ranks and Flash was a tad more dominant then than soO/Zest are now though
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 22:40:32
November 12 2014 22:37 GMT
#32
Life 0-2 ByuL - ByuL new #1 on power rank.

Also TaeJa's spot on the rank doesn't mention him at all, just soO, while most of the other players mention TaeJa at least once

Edit: That edit in the OP.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17628 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 22:41:56
November 12 2014 22:41 GMT
#33
On November 13 2014 07:25 nimdil wrote:
Huh, Life 1st? I don't recall Effort taking 1st spot in Power Rank after beating Flash in OSL final. TaeJa and Zest 1/2 and Life 3rd. One run is not enough.

Yea but in your example Flash at least made the finals. Who are you suggesting to be first? Zest or soO maybe? They lost in the first round and still got good spots.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
November 12 2014 22:42 GMT
#34
On November 13 2014 07:37 The_Templar wrote:
Life 0-2 ByuL - ByuL new #1 on power rank.

Also TaeJa's spot on the rank doesn't mention him at all, just soO, while most of the other players mention TaeJa at least once

Edit: That edit in the OP.


proxy 2 TAEJA gate
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 12 2014 22:42 GMT
#35
On November 13 2014 07:41 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:25 nimdil wrote:
Huh, Life 1st? I don't recall Effort taking 1st spot in Power Rank after beating Flash in OSL final. TaeJa and Zest 1/2 and Life 3rd. One run is not enough.

Yea but in your example Flash at least made the finals. Who are you suggesting to be first? Zest or soO maybe? They lost in the first round and still got spots.

Obviously TaeJa or MMA should be first.

I'm perfectly OK with Life though, he played very well against not-zergs recently.
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Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 22:43:51
November 12 2014 22:43 GMT
#36
You shall have this one Zealously, who can really disagree at this point . Nice PR!
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United States97276 Posts
November 12 2014 22:44 GMT
#37
Taeja should be #1. His series vs Soo was the best in sc2 history. Life too advantage of bad play conditions at blizzcon. Taeja had to sit up for like 5 extra hours to just play Inno so of course he played poor enough against life to lose the next day
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Profile Joined August 2010
United States17628 Posts
November 12 2014 22:46 GMT
#38
On November 13 2014 07:44 Shellshock wrote:
Taeja should be #1. His series vs Soo was the best in sc2 history. Life too advantage of bad play conditions at blizzcon. Taeja had to sit up for like 5 extra hours to just play Inno so of course he played poor enough against life to lose the next day

I'd ok with Taeja getting the #1, but Life is good too
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Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
November 12 2014 22:52 GMT
#39
#1 life #2 taeja i agree

yo
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November 12 2014 22:56 GMT
#40
That's cute.
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United States9400 Posts
November 12 2014 22:57 GMT
#41
LOL LIFE AT #1.

NJ ZEALOUSLY.
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England3012 Posts
November 12 2014 22:58 GMT
#42
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Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
November 12 2014 22:59 GMT
#43
You made this PowerRank only to have some legitimate reason to see Life at #1 for once, didn't you? XD
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United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 23:03:22
November 12 2014 23:03 GMT
#44
Life has losses to Snute, Targa, Gumiho x2, herO, Byul etc. since the last power rank and fell to code B. Why call this a power rank and not just Blizzcon final standings?
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Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 12 2014 23:03 GMT
#45
haha yay Life !
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Italy1741 Posts
November 12 2014 23:04 GMT
#46
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Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
November 12 2014 23:12 GMT
#47
This has nothing to do with blizzon final standings(then MMA would be higher placed.......). This has to do with the players that Life defeated on his way to winning blizzcon and the way he did it. He defeated Zest, 3-0 PvZ expert San and won over a Taeja that just took out soO and Innovation.

Stop whining about Taeja not playing in GSL and therefore he sucks when he kicked the shit out of both soO and Innovation. Doesn't matter where he plays if he is better than the GSL champion.

Life is nr 1 right now and most arguements against that are just silly. The kings of GSL got their asses handed to them by Taeja and Life, its not a bad dream its reality.
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Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
November 12 2014 23:17 GMT
#48
*Sigh* Life fanboys...

Oh well, the more Power Ranks, the better. They keep TL interesting, lol.
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November 12 2014 23:18 GMT
#49
Expecting Flash to return to the power rank in blazing glory after this weekend's Homestory Cup.
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November 12 2014 23:21 GMT
#50
I can't believe you pot herO and Solar on the list but not Stats. That kid just can't catch a break ever.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 12 2014 23:21 GMT
#51
On November 13 2014 08:18 Ctesias wrote:
Expecting Flash to return to the power rank in blazing glory after this weekend's Homestory Cup.


I might give him a Dishonorable Mention when he loses to alcohol and Bling
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Dwayn
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany949 Posts
November 12 2014 23:21 GMT
#52
MMA doesn't belong in any top 10.
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Last Edited: 2014-11-12 23:23:20
November 12 2014 23:22 GMT
#53
Life HAD to be #1... I think the only debate really is the scuffle around 2~4

Does TaeJa deserve to be #2 on basically two Bo5 wins? How much should we take INno and soO's past results into consideration? If other players are making huge moves on just a few series, is MMA being held to a horrible double standard at #6?
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
November 12 2014 23:22 GMT
#54
Solar too low, Classic too high.

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November 12 2014 23:23 GMT
#55
So when should we expect pre-SPL power rank where ST/yFW will be ranked #1?
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Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
November 12 2014 23:23 GMT
#56
WRITERS: ZEALOUSLY

that sure as hell says a lot

also, herO barely beat MC and then loses to Classic

San crushes jjakji and loses to winner of tournament...such bias....
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Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
November 12 2014 23:23 GMT
#57
On November 13 2014 08:22 KalWarkov wrote:
Solar too low, Classic too high.


I agree more than you know...
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Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
November 12 2014 23:25 GMT
#58
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere. The tournament was so prestigious and so important to the players that they would pull no punches and spare no expenses to win their matches. Similar to The International for Dota2 and Worlds for LoL in that regard. Questioning the validity of the tournament's line-up after all three of this year's champions and the four-time finalist were all taken out by players either in Code B or not playing in the GSL seems more funky than anything.


But Zealously, Rain is actually the best player in the world, Artosis said so, and it's just not fair that WCS KR points don't count for more than winning the most stacked tournament of the year by beating arguably 3 of the top 5 players on the planet.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 12 2014 23:27 GMT
#59
On November 13 2014 08:21 Dwayn wrote:
MMA doesn't belong in any top 10.


Except the Blizzcon top 10, where he was actually #2
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iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
November 12 2014 23:28 GMT
#60

Seriously, herO, scout your damn base. Katowice should have taught you that people will happily proxy you when $100.000 are on the line.


Im guessing Zealously is either european or the prize money tax is much higher than I expected.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 12 2014 23:28 GMT
#61
On November 13 2014 08:23 REyeM wrote:
So when should we expect pre-SPL power rank where ST/yFW will be ranked #1?


I'm thinking STFW at #3 right now unless something changes, but I'll consider your input!
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Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
November 12 2014 23:29 GMT
#62
On November 13 2014 08:28 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 08:23 REyeM wrote:
So when should we expect pre-SPL power rank where ST/yFW will be ranked #1?


I'm thinking STFW at #3 right now unless something changes, but I'll consider your input!


As long as you make one post-SPL, It's all cool.
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Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 23:32:58
November 12 2014 23:30 GMT
#63
On November 13 2014 08:25 Jazzman88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere. The tournament was so prestigious and so important to the players that they would pull no punches and spare no expenses to win their matches. Similar to The International for Dota2 and Worlds for LoL in that regard. Questioning the validity of the tournament's line-up after all three of this year's champions and the four-time finalist were all taken out by players either in Code B or not playing in the GSL seems more funky than anything.


But Zealously, Rain is actually the best player in the world, Artosis said so, and it's just not fair that WCS KR points don't count for more than winning the most stacked tournament of the year by beating arguably 3 of the top 5 players on the planet.

Are you really calling Blizzcon the most stacked tournament of the year?

On November 13 2014 08:12 Shuffleblade wrote:
This has nothing to do with blizzon final standings(then MMA would be higher placed.......). This has to do with the players that Life defeated on his way to winning blizzcon and the way he did it. He defeated Zest, 3-0 PvZ expert San and won over a Taeja that just took out soO and Innovation.

Stop whining about Taeja not playing in GSL and therefore he sucks when he kicked the shit out of both soO and Innovation. Doesn't matter where he plays if he is better than the GSL champion.

Life is nr 1 right now and most arguements against that are just silly. The kings of GSL got their asses handed to them by Taeja and Life, its not a bad dream its reality.

Of course it has to do with Blizzcon final standings. Look at MMAs games in October/November, do 3-1s over StarDust, Bomber and Classic really warrant 6th place?

MMA 1-4 Life
MMA 3-1 Classic
MMA 3-1 Bomber
MMA 3-1 StarDust
MMA 1-2 Happy
MMA 1-2 First
MMA 2-1 Kas
MMA 0-2 poizon (I assume this is a walkover because I don't see how else this would have happened)
MMA 4-2 YoDa
MMA 3-1 San

Compare that to Bomber's:
Bomber 1-3 MMA
Bomber 3-2 Jaedong
Bomber 4-2 Heart
Bomber 3-2 Polt
Bomber 3-1 Pigbaby
Bomber 4-0 Cure
Bomber 3-2 Polt
Bomber 2-0 Trap
Bomber 2-0 DongRaeGu
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 12 2014 23:32 GMT
#64
On November 13 2014 08:28 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 08:23 REyeM wrote:
So when should we expect pre-SPL power rank where ST/yFW will be ranked #1?


I'm thinking STFW at #3 right now unless something changes, but I'll consider your input!

oh god. ST is notorious for underperforming in team leagues. It would be evil to put those kind of expectations on them
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Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
November 12 2014 23:33 GMT
#65
On November 13 2014 07:57 vult wrote:
LOL LIFE AT #1.

NJ ZEALOUSLY.


Definitely top 3 still. That run was insane. And that shows he has what it takes. But I'd expect him to go down the ranks if he doesn't keep up this level of play consistently.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 12 2014 23:36 GMT
#66
This one is kinda biased (sooo much emphasis on blizzcon :D), on the other hand there wasn't really much going on between the last power rank and this one either, so yeah.
But overall not that bad
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Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
November 12 2014 23:38 GMT
#67
Why the fuck is TaeJa always so high on everything ever?
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fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 23:45:58
November 12 2014 23:42 GMT
#68
I would swap MMA on the 9th spot for his honorable performance, put Rain on 10th, remove herO altogether, bump Bomber and the others accordingly, and finally, swap Life and Taeja

So much emphasis on Blizzcon, but I sure can't deny that the players prepared and prepared and prepared, and it showed in game.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
November 12 2014 23:48 GMT
#69
On November 13 2014 07:41 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:25 nimdil wrote:
Huh, Life 1st? I don't recall Effort taking 1st spot in Power Rank after beating Flash in OSL final. TaeJa and Zest 1/2 and Life 3rd. One run is not enough.

Yea but in your example Flash at least made the finals. Who are you suggesting to be first? Zest or soO maybe? They lost in the first round and still got good spots.

TaeJa or Zest. Both will work. Both lost to Life 2-3 so their performance was close to eventual winner.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 12 2014 23:50 GMT
#70
On November 13 2014 08:48 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:41 Die4Ever wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:25 nimdil wrote:
Huh, Life 1st? I don't recall Effort taking 1st spot in Power Rank after beating Flash in OSL final. TaeJa and Zest 1/2 and Life 3rd. One run is not enough.

Yea but in your example Flash at least made the finals. Who are you suggesting to be first? Zest or soO maybe? They lost in the first round and still got good spots.

TaeJa or Zest. Both will work. Both lost to Life 2-3 so their performance was close to eventual winner.

Life threw game 3 against Zest, so that should have been a 3-0
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 12 2014 23:53 GMT
#71
Poll: Do you think Life should be #1?

Yes (91)
 
59%

No (64)
 
41%

155 total votes

Your vote: Do you think Life should be #1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

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Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 12 2014 23:54 GMT
#72
On November 13 2014 08:53 Shellshock wrote:
Poll: Do you think Life should be #1?

Yes (91)
 
59%

No (64)
 
41%

155 total votes

Your vote: Do you think Life should be #1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


shellshock is mad :D
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 12 2014 23:54 GMT
#73
On November 13 2014 08:53 Shellshock wrote:
Poll: Do you think Life should be #1?

Yes (91)
 
59%

No (64)
 
41%

155 total votes

Your vote: Do you think Life should be #1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


I dunno shellshock, that 100% "yes" vote for life looks pretty convincing so far
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Profile Joined June 2008
Netherlands874 Posts
November 12 2014 23:55 GMT
#74
awesome writeup!!
congrats :D
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8224 Posts
November 13 2014 00:00 GMT
#75
The bias is strong in this article. Taeja was clearly better than Life this year overall as a player. Life wasn't talked about as much nor did he win nearly as much as Taeja did. The fact he slipped into Blizzcon was astonishing in my opinion.
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United States97276 Posts
November 13 2014 00:02 GMT
#76
On November 13 2014 09:00 geokilla wrote:
The bias is strong in this article. Taeja was clearly better than Life this year overall as a player. Life wasn't talked about as much nor did he win nearly as much as Taeja did. The fact he slipped into Blizzcon was astonishing in my opinion.

I'm sure anyone would have been thrown off by having to stay up for an extra 5 hours to play 1 hr worth of gametime in tvt the night before. Can't really blame TaeJa for the venue's problems imo
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your Country52797 Posts
November 13 2014 00:03 GMT
#77
On November 13 2014 09:02 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 09:00 geokilla wrote:
The bias is strong in this article. Taeja was clearly better than Life this year overall as a player. Life wasn't talked about as much nor did he win nearly as much as Taeja did. The fact he slipped into Blizzcon was astonishing in my opinion.

I'm sure anyone would have been thrown off by having to stay up for an extra 5 hours to play 1 hr worth of gametime in tvt the night before. Can't really blame TaeJa for the venue's problems imo

So, you think TaeJa should be #1?
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 13 2014 00:04 GMT
#78
On November 13 2014 09:03 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 09:02 Shellshock wrote:
On November 13 2014 09:00 geokilla wrote:
The bias is strong in this article. Taeja was clearly better than Life this year overall as a player. Life wasn't talked about as much nor did he win nearly as much as Taeja did. The fact he slipped into Blizzcon was astonishing in my opinion.

I'm sure anyone would have been thrown off by having to stay up for an extra 5 hours to play 1 hr worth of gametime in tvt the night before. Can't really blame TaeJa for the venue's problems imo

So, you think TaeJa should be #1?

Yeah
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Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
November 13 2014 00:04 GMT
#79
It seems wrong to me that Rain is not on the list.
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Profile Joined May 2014
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November 13 2014 00:08 GMT
#80
Im fine with that list, but soO is the best player in the world
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
November 13 2014 00:09 GMT
#81
During a time frame with a single overriding tournament, no less one that's single elimination bracket and doesn't even feature all the contenders for "best player", any ordered list of players by definition has some weaknesses.

For example, it's a little funny that Life takes the top spot entirely based on his placement in this single tournament, but finalist MMA is below two guys who lost in the ro16 and one guy who lost in the ro8. (disclaimer: I don't actually think MMA is overall better than Zest, soO, or Inno)

Also, Rain, Flash, or Cure are probably not all that much worse players than they were last month, but they're dropped entirely from the list (ok, maybe Cure was not so great).

Finally, as a big fan of Solar, it's supremely ironic that he actually went out and won his second $10k tournament (over some decent Korean opposition) but actually dropped places in the rankings.

I'm not knocking Zealously, I don't think I could have made a "perfect" list, or even a much better one. I just think a fairer list would be: "Best Overall Performances in the Last Month and a Half", or one that just groups players in tiers. "Power Rank" and "best ____ in the world"-statements are so much more hype, I know, I know.
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Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
November 13 2014 00:10 GMT
#82
Life as nr 1 is awesome and very true, but I'd like to see Bomber alittle higher!
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Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8224 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 00:16:00
November 13 2014 00:15 GMT
#83
On November 13 2014 09:02 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 09:00 geokilla wrote:
The bias is strong in this article. Taeja was clearly better than Life this year overall as a player. Life wasn't talked about as much nor did he win nearly as much as Taeja did. The fact he slipped into Blizzcon was astonishing in my opinion.

I'm sure anyone would have been thrown off by having to stay up for an extra 5 hours to play 1 hr worth of gametime in tvt the night before. Can't really blame TaeJa for the venue's problems imo

Which is exactly what Zealously knocked on Innovation for. Because he "broke" during the 5 hours of "TvTvVenue" the day before while Taeja didn't.
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
November 13 2014 00:22 GMT
#84
On November 13 2014 08:28 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 08:23 REyeM wrote:
So when should we expect pre-SPL power rank where ST/yFW will be ranked #1?


I'm thinking STFW at #3 right now unless something changes, but I'll consider your input!


Ooooh, I'll be looking forward to reading this list too (fucking can't wait for Proleague)

If I had to guess, KT would be the top spot, SKT has definitely lost some key players. It'll be hard to sort out the top 4 or 5 with KT, SKT, STFW, Jin Air, and maybe CJ.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 13 2014 00:35 GMT
#85
On November 13 2014 09:00 geokilla wrote:
The bias is strong in this article. Taeja was clearly better than Life this year overall as a player. Life wasn't talked about as much nor did he win nearly as much as Taeja did. The fact he slipped into Blizzcon was astonishing in my opinion.


"This year" doesn't matter for a rank that is mostly monthly, though.
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Quateras
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany867 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 00:39:09
November 13 2014 00:38 GMT
#86
Freaking loved the CJ.herO part.
Seriously :

how
can
this
still happen?

He must have his coach, his teammates all make fun of him when it happened at Katowice, yet here we are.
If i were him I'd be the most paranoid guy in the whole world when i play a PvP in a tournament.
I'm totally baffled.
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Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
November 13 2014 00:50 GMT
#87
On November 13 2014 07:07 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:05 Aeromi wrote:
WRITERS: ZEALOUSLY


:D


Its also kinda hard not to put one of the best performances in the most important tournament of the year in number one slot ^^


Took him like 4 days to go from Winning Blizzcon to losing to ByuL 2-0 in ZvZ
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Hadronsbecrazy
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom551 Posts
November 13 2014 00:56 GMT
#88
On November 13 2014 09:50 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:07 ZeromuS wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:05 Aeromi wrote:
WRITERS: ZEALOUSLY


:D


Its also kinda hard not to put one of the best performances in the most important tournament of the year in number one slot ^^


Took him like 4 days to go from Winning Blizzcon to losing to ByuL 2-0 in ZvZ



hes probably too busy counting dem monies to care :D
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Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
November 13 2014 01:02 GMT
#89
On November 13 2014 08:30 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 08:25 Jazzman88 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere. The tournament was so prestigious and so important to the players that they would pull no punches and spare no expenses to win their matches. Similar to The International for Dota2 and Worlds for LoL in that regard. Questioning the validity of the tournament's line-up after all three of this year's champions and the four-time finalist were all taken out by players either in Code B or not playing in the GSL seems more funky than anything.


But Zealously, Rain is actually the best player in the world, Artosis said so, and it's just not fair that WCS KR points don't count for more than winning the most stacked tournament of the year by beating arguably 3 of the top 5 players on the planet.

Are you really calling Blizzcon the most stacked tournament of the year?



With all of the GSL finalists from this year there? With Taeja (11 premier titles) there? Bomber fresh off a title? MMA ditto? Absolutely.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
November 13 2014 01:51 GMT
#90
sOs got shafted last year. You guys skipped the PR right after Blizzcon so he never got his #1

I bet he's still upset about that.
cookiz
Profile Joined March 2013
Burma181 Posts
November 13 2014 02:00 GMT
#91
Life deserve the #1..
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
November 13 2014 02:15 GMT
#92
MMA Number 6 = Flawed Power Rank
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Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
November 13 2014 02:17 GMT
#93
Taeja #2?

#LIQUIDBIAS
#didntmakethefinals
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Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
November 13 2014 02:17 GMT
#94
On November 13 2014 07:06 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:05 Aeromi wrote:
WRITERS: ZEALOUSLY


:D


When I took over the Power Rank this was the plan all along


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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 13 2014 02:23 GMT
#95
On November 13 2014 11:17 Bagration wrote:
Taeja #2?

#LIQUIDBIAS
#didntmakethefinals

He beat Artosis' Blizzcon champ
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yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 02:27:19
November 13 2014 02:26 GMT
#96
Let's just rename this Flavor of the Month ranking. Because really in the end, it's all it is. Oh and I personally think Taeja deserves to be high ranked than Life regardless if it wasn't so FotM.
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Josh_Video
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada798 Posts
November 13 2014 02:32 GMT
#97
I feel like MMA's rank is a bi low, considering he not only got second at the biggest event of the year, but took out the current WCS AM Champion, The last WCS Europe Champion (Besides MMA himself, ofcourse) and the WCS KRR Season 2 Champion on the way. I dont mind Life being first, even though I dislike him, he earned it, but MMA should definitely be higher.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 13 2014 02:51 GMT
#98
Blizzcon is being weighed too heavily as expected. A bo5, or a few bo5s even at the most prestigious tournament of the year is still only a bo5.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 13 2014 03:01 GMT
#99
Man as expected people are getting all uppity about the Power Rank. Congrats to Life, he deserves the spot as world champion! Overall good rank Zealously.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19214 Posts
November 13 2014 03:02 GMT
#100
We all know life at #1 is bias. Otherwise, a decent list.
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
November 13 2014 03:07 GMT
#101
On November 13 2014 11:26 yoshi245 wrote:
Let's just rename this Flavor of the Month ranking. Because really in the end, it's all it is. Oh and I personally think Taeja deserves to be high ranked than Life regardless if it wasn't so FotM.


The biggest Tournament Taeja won was a Dreamhack Winter, while Life's won GSL, Hot6ix Cup, and now Blizzcon. Even if you compare their careers and not current form Life looks better.
movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
November 13 2014 03:09 GMT
#102
i'm glad you guys pointed out, that while MMA played quite well, he went to the finals on the easier half of the bracket and got demolished by Life who survived the mind blowingly stacked harder half of the bracket.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
November 13 2014 03:17 GMT
#103
On November 13 2014 07:25 Dodgin wrote:
lol taeja gets 8 slots higher than bomber even though he lost in WCS AM as usual

joke


IT IS A POWER RANK!

The title of the goddamn list is the post-Blizzcon POWER RANK! He says in the beginning of the damn list that he weighted Blizzcon very heavily, why in the hell does the WCS AM tournament matter? It doesn't.

Geez, I feel like I'm the only nerd on this site that ever reads conventional sporting Power Ranks. The rest of you don't seem to have a clue of what they are.
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Jusba
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland189 Posts
November 13 2014 03:31 GMT
#104
Good list! Life #1
I predicted: 3-0 zest 3-1 san 3-2 innovation 4-0 her0. I feel like it was a close prediction even tho none of the scores are right :D. I wished innovation would beat Taeja because I feared the other champion in the tournament could be too much for Life.
Surprised her0 didn't make it to the finals :o. Very nice MMA but once life has the momentum only someone with the same or even better mindset can beat him (maybe taeja and s0s could).

Sadly theres no reason to have s0s in there . Life, s0s and TaeJa are the best players in the world imo. Maybe maru should be there too but I feel like he still needs prove it once more.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 04:19:28
November 13 2014 03:58 GMT
#105
I enjoyed reading this Power Rank. However, like some others, I think Taeja is much too high. The fact is, he hasn't played in the most competitive leagues and tournaments for years. Except this one (and last Blizzcon, I suppose). And he came up short. He didn't embarrass himself. In fact, he played great. But one good performance shouldn't mean you take the number 2 spot (especially when you didn't even come in as #2).

If Taeja is #2, then Stephano was the #2 player for about a year.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 04:04:32
November 13 2014 04:03 GMT
#106
On November 13 2014 12:17 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:25 Dodgin wrote:
lol taeja gets 8 slots higher than bomber even though he lost in WCS AM as usual

joke


IT IS A POWER RANK!

The title of the goddamn list is the post-Blizzcon POWER RANK! He says in the beginning of the damn list that he weighted Blizzcon very heavily, why in the hell does the WCS AM tournament matter? It doesn't.

Geez, I feel like I'm the only nerd on this site that ever reads conventional sporting Power Ranks. The rest of you don't seem to have a clue of what they are.


He didn't weigh Blizzcon heavily - he only weighed it heavily when it suited him (Life #1, but MMA #6).

That's why this Power Ranking is clearly biased - there's no consistent methodology here.
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 13 2014 04:21 GMT
#107
Zealously against TL readers : act 3 scene 4
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 13 2014 05:05 GMT
#108
On November 13 2014 13:03 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 12:17 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:25 Dodgin wrote:
lol taeja gets 8 slots higher than bomber even though he lost in WCS AM as usual

joke


IT IS A POWER RANK!

The title of the goddamn list is the post-Blizzcon POWER RANK! He says in the beginning of the damn list that he weighted Blizzcon very heavily, why in the hell does the WCS AM tournament matter? It doesn't.

Geez, I feel like I'm the only nerd on this site that ever reads conventional sporting Power Ranks. The rest of you don't seem to have a clue of what they are.


He didn't weigh Blizzcon heavily - he only weighed it heavily when it suited him (Life #1, but MMA #6).

That's why this Power Ranking is clearly biased - there's no consistent methodology here.


Even considering only Blizzcon, #6 sounds about right for MMA (maybe slightly too low). He made it to the finals, but he had a very favourable bracket, and looked completely lost in the finals against Life.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
November 13 2014 05:05 GMT
#109
no best of the rest?
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 13 2014 05:10 GMT
#110
On November 13 2014 14:05 Cricketer12 wrote:
no best of the rest?

lets be real foreigners fell apart this past month
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
November 13 2014 05:21 GMT
#111
On November 13 2014 14:10 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 14:05 Cricketer12 wrote:
no best of the rest?

lets be real foreigners fell apart this past month


Scarlett won a fairly prestigious tournament!
biskit
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia355 Posts
November 13 2014 05:39 GMT
#112
Honestly I don't know who is the best SC2 player in the world, but right now at least I can happily assume that it is Life.
I hope he'll continue to be impressive, I really enjoy watching his zerg playstyle.

Nice article =D.
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
November 13 2014 05:40 GMT
#113
I'd be hesitant to place too much value on one tournament, even Blizzcon. Like Zest botched a cannon rush and dropped 3 spots, I think that is placing too much value on what I think were some flukey outcomes at Blizzcon. Not to mention so many great players didn't even get a chance to go to Blizzcon b/c of the silly and arbitrary way WCS was structured, Flash, Rain, sOs (the double world champion!), Parting, etc. I don't expect the results of Blizzcon to have a much wider effect in the Starcraft world and when Korea is reunified(!) next year I think we will see who is really on top, and it will be the usual suspects: Zest, sOs, Innovation, Flash, Maru, soO, Life (maybe Parting and Rain, we will see how they fare post-Proleague. I suspect Parting will thrive, but Rain seems too dyed in the wool Kespa to me.)
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 13 2014 05:48 GMT
#114
Solar only #8. INnoVation way too high. Life 1/2 ranks too high. MMA 1/2 ranks too low.
Nice power rank overall
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 13 2014 05:53 GMT
#115
Scarlett won LRSL BlizzCon Edition that was like the most important foreign tournament during this time period.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 13 2014 05:55 GMT
#116
The finals weren't broadcasted so -10 prestige
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 06:47:34
November 13 2014 06:39 GMT
#117
On November 13 2014 13:03 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 12:17 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:25 Dodgin wrote:
lol taeja gets 8 slots higher than bomber even though he lost in WCS AM as usual

joke


IT IS A POWER RANK!

The title of the goddamn list is the post-Blizzcon POWER RANK! He says in the beginning of the damn list that he weighted Blizzcon very heavily, why in the hell does the WCS AM tournament matter? It doesn't.

Geez, I feel like I'm the only nerd on this site that ever reads conventional sporting Power Ranks. The rest of you don't seem to have a clue of what they are.


He didn't weigh Blizzcon heavily - he only weighed it heavily when it suited him (Life #1, but MMA #6).

That's why this Power Ranking is clearly biased - there's no consistent methodology here.


I don't think placing MMA at #6 for beating the players he did and getting absolutely crushed by Life is terribly biased. Would you rate him above soO or Zest after Blizzcon? For me, the answer was no - he impressed me, but not that much.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 13 2014 06:44 GMT
#118
On November 13 2014 15:39 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 13:03 Bagration wrote:
On November 13 2014 12:17 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:25 Dodgin wrote:
lol taeja gets 8 slots higher than bomber even though he lost in WCS AM as usual

joke


IT IS A POWER RANK!

The title of the goddamn list is the post-Blizzcon POWER RANK! He says in the beginning of the damn list that he weighted Blizzcon very heavily, why in the hell does the WCS AM tournament matter? It doesn't.

Geez, I feel like I'm the only nerd on this site that ever reads conventional sporting Power Ranks. The rest of you don't seem to have a clue of what they are.


He didn't weigh Blizzcon heavily - he only weighed it heavily when it suited him (Life #1, but MMA #6).

That's why this Power Ranking is clearly biased - there's no consistent methodology here.


I don't think placing MMA at #6 for beating the players he did and getting absolutely crushed by MMA is terribly visade. Would you rate him above soO or Zest after Blizzcon? For me, the answer was no - he impressed me, but not that much.


I think something went wrong with this post...
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 13 2014 06:47 GMT
#119
On November 13 2014 15:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 15:39 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 13:03 Bagration wrote:
On November 13 2014 12:17 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:25 Dodgin wrote:
lol taeja gets 8 slots higher than bomber even though he lost in WCS AM as usual

joke


IT IS A POWER RANK!

The title of the goddamn list is the post-Blizzcon POWER RANK! He says in the beginning of the damn list that he weighted Blizzcon very heavily, why in the hell does the WCS AM tournament matter? It doesn't.

Geez, I feel like I'm the only nerd on this site that ever reads conventional sporting Power Ranks. The rest of you don't seem to have a clue of what they are.


He didn't weigh Blizzcon heavily - he only weighed it heavily when it suited him (Life #1, but MMA #6).

That's why this Power Ranking is clearly biased - there's no consistent methodology here.


I don't think placing MMA at #6 for beating the players he did and getting absolutely crushed by MMA is terribly visade. Would you rate him above soO or Zest after Blizzcon? For me, the answer was no - he impressed me, but not that much.


I think something went wrong with this post...

Autocorrect and my brain went wrong
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 07:37:34
November 13 2014 07:37 GMT
#120
I think your list is really nice Zealously, except how can taeja's high be 4 when he's 2?
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 13 2014 07:39 GMT
#121
On November 13 2014 14:55 Shellshock wrote:
The finals weren't broadcasted so -10 prestige


it had a LR thread and live reports though. still more prestige than most foreigner only tournaments
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 08:04:02
November 13 2014 07:39 GMT
#122
Joke list. Life is the Sniper of Blizzcon champions
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 13 2014 08:00 GMT
#123
On November 13 2014 16:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Joke list. Life is the Sniper if Blizzcon champions

I am not quite sure what you wanna imply with that
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cpower
Profile Joined October 2013
228 Posts
November 13 2014 08:05 GMT
#124
classic is better than hero? no way. i would say their pvp is equal but hero is miles ahead in terms of pvz and pvt.
cpower
Profile Joined October 2013
228 Posts
November 13 2014 08:11 GMT
#125
On November 13 2014 10:02 Jazzman88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 08:30 ZAiNs wrote:
On November 13 2014 08:25 Jazzman88 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere. The tournament was so prestigious and so important to the players that they would pull no punches and spare no expenses to win their matches. Similar to The International for Dota2 and Worlds for LoL in that regard. Questioning the validity of the tournament's line-up after all three of this year's champions and the four-time finalist were all taken out by players either in Code B or not playing in the GSL seems more funky than anything.


But Zealously, Rain is actually the best player in the world, Artosis said so, and it's just not fair that WCS KR points don't count for more than winning the most stacked tournament of the year by beating arguably 3 of the top 5 players on the planet.

Are you really calling Blizzcon the most stacked tournament of the year?



With all of the GSL finalists from this year there? With Taeja (11 premier titles) there? Bomber fresh off a title? MMA ditto? Absolutely.

not quite. life only played 2 code S level players in Zest and Taeja. In order to win gsl , you will at least beat 4 of them. Winning gsl is still a lot harder than winning blizzcon
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
November 13 2014 08:12 GMT
#126
Congrats Life!
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lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 08:17:57
November 13 2014 08:16 GMT
#127
Very nice list and a great read. Poor herO,cant help it but feel bad about that guy if he had scouted the right direction he would had beaten Classic then he would probably had beaten MMA and we would have a fantastic finals vs life. Whyyyyy
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 08:23:00
November 13 2014 08:22 GMT
#128
Rain not being on this list is questionable at the very least. He's done nothing but win and qualify for everything since leaving SKT

Also if only KeSPA liked their players ;o
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
November 13 2014 08:27 GMT
#129
Look at Life...what a boss!
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Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
November 13 2014 08:41 GMT
#130
Taeja is the most complete package you can get without getting past the ro4 in a WCS tournament. He's a pretty comfortable choice for #2. Otherwise, I'd move Bomber up to #7 and MMA up one or two spots. Zest, soO, or Inno can make some room since they didn't get past ro16 or ro8. Bomber and Classic are no pushovers; both won WCS this year, which seems to matter quite a bit in Classic's case. I feel like the question was asked, "Classic or herO?" and Classic won out because of a GSL trophy.

I don't know much about Solar, other than he's on some wild tear recently, but he wasn't at Blizzcon at all. He'd be the one I move down the most to #10 to make room for Bomber at #7.

Life #1 is kind of obligatory and definitely expected. Life playing his best was once considered best in world, and he appears near enough that level, plus he's holding the trophy. He's got more competition now and probably won't hold the rank long; we'll see.
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 08:45:34
November 13 2014 08:43 GMT
#131
On November 13 2014 17:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Rain not being on this list is questionable at the very least. He's done nothing but win and qualify for everything since leaving SKT

Also if only KeSPA liked their players ;o


Yeah but last offline event rain participated in was KeSPA cup and he got severly bashed by... Bomber.

Power rank should have 25 players it would be less heated as a discussion

But I like heated pointless discussios that just confront personnal opinion with no rationnality whatsoever, so here I go :

- If power rank is based on the chance a player has to win a big worldwide tournament with all the best player participating, I don't think Life should be number one. We already knew he could perform incredibly, Blizzcon just confirmed it (I had votred for him in the "underdog pool") but is he stable? will he we win again? will he establish a new reign? not sure at all. It's not the 2012 Life yet, I hope he will come back at his top, but at this point he still has to improve.

He's clearly not the dominating #1 player in the world. He's top 5 that's all, and that's already very good compared to what he was like 2 monthes ago

- At the moment, Solar > soO, easily. soO is just on a terribly slipery slope since DH final (against Solar...) he's clearly not as good as he was 3 monthes ago, got 3 major defeats where he seemed just helpless (Solar, INno, Taeja). On the other hand solar is on a ascending curve, he gets better and better, beats all the opponents that are thrown at him. Solar is clearly going to be a serious contender for the unofficial best zerg of 2015.

As of today, soO is behind Life and Solar, and depending on his run at the hot6 cup, he might soon not even be worth being in the top ten. As of today, not a lot of people would bet much on soO chance to win a big tournament... Hope he can recover and rebuild his mental strength in 2015.

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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 13 2014 08:48 GMT
#132
On November 13 2014 17:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
Taeja is the most complete package you can get without getting past the ro4 in a WCS tournament. He's a pretty comfortable choice for #2. Otherwise, I'd move Bomber up to #7 and MMA up one or two spots. Zest, soO, or Inno can make some room since they didn't get past ro16 or ro8. Bomber and Classic are no pushovers; both won WCS this year, which seems to matter quite a bit in Classic's case. I feel like the question was asked, "Classic or herO?" and Classic won out because of a GSL trophy.

Classic is above herO because herO doesn't know what scouting is
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 13 2014 08:59 GMT
#133
On November 13 2014 17:48 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 17:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
Taeja is the most complete package you can get without getting past the ro4 in a WCS tournament. He's a pretty comfortable choice for #2. Otherwise, I'd move Bomber up to #7 and MMA up one or two spots. Zest, soO, or Inno can make some room since they didn't get past ro16 or ro8. Bomber and Classic are no pushovers; both won WCS this year, which seems to matter quite a bit in Classic's case. I feel like the question was asked, "Classic or herO?" and Classic won out because of a GSL trophy.

Classic is above herO because herO doesn't know what scouting is

I was at work watching this and started yelling at my monitor.
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 09:11:05
November 13 2014 09:10 GMT
#134
On November 13 2014 09:38 Quateras wrote:
Freaking loved the CJ.herO part.
Seriously :

how
can
this
still happen?

He must have his coach, his teammates all make fun of him when it happened at Katowice, yet here we are.
If i were him I'd be the most paranoid guy in the whole world when i play a PvP in a tournament.
I'm totally baffled.


Proxy 2 gate are to herO what finals are to soO.

On November 13 2014 17:48 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 17:41 Ansinjunger wrote:
Taeja is the most complete package you can get without getting past the ro4 in a WCS tournament. He's a pretty comfortable choice for #2. Otherwise, I'd move Bomber up to #7 and MMA up one or two spots. Zest, soO, or Inno can make some room since they didn't get past ro16 or ro8. Bomber and Classic are no pushovers; both won WCS this year, which seems to matter quite a bit in Classic's case. I feel like the question was asked, "Classic or herO?" and Classic won out because of a GSL trophy.

Classic is above herO because herO doesn't know what scouting is


Lol. "Hey herO, back to the basics with you".
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BernabusStarcraft2
Profile Joined September 2012
Scotland112 Posts
November 13 2014 09:15 GMT
#135
No Rain. Worst list ever !
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
November 13 2014 09:20 GMT
#136
Is everyone saying about Rain in on a joke or something? I don't get it.
watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany474 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 09:21:40
November 13 2014 09:21 GMT
#137
Whilst I don't agree completely neither with this Power Rank nor with the Aligulac current top 10, both have Life as the first place so somehow this can't be completely wrong.

Edit: I am not sure if this is a correct English sentence, shame on me.
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 09:29:21
November 13 2014 09:28 GMT
#138
On November 13 2014 18:21 TrumpetWilli wrote:
Whilst I don't agree completely neither with this Power Rank nor with the Aligulac current top 10, both have Life as the first place so somehow this can't be completely wrong.

Edit: I am not sure if this is a correct English sentence, shame on me.


Why don't you agree on Aligulac top 10? It's not a power rank, it's just maths (And just as for the PR, it doesn't predict who will win against whom, it just does probabilities).
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
November 13 2014 10:00 GMT
#139
soO
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 13 2014 10:30 GMT
#140
On November 13 2014 17:11 cpower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 10:02 Jazzman88 wrote:
On November 13 2014 08:30 ZAiNs wrote:
On November 13 2014 08:25 Jazzman88 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere. The tournament was so prestigious and so important to the players that they would pull no punches and spare no expenses to win their matches. Similar to The International for Dota2 and Worlds for LoL in that regard. Questioning the validity of the tournament's line-up after all three of this year's champions and the four-time finalist were all taken out by players either in Code B or not playing in the GSL seems more funky than anything.


But Zealously, Rain is actually the best player in the world, Artosis said so, and it's just not fair that WCS KR points don't count for more than winning the most stacked tournament of the year by beating arguably 3 of the top 5 players on the planet.

Are you really calling Blizzcon the most stacked tournament of the year?



With all of the GSL finalists from this year there? With Taeja (11 premier titles) there? Bomber fresh off a title? MMA ditto? Absolutely.

not quite. life only played 2 code S level players in Zest and Taeja. In order to win gsl , you will at least beat 4 of them. Winning gsl is still a lot harder than winning blizzcon


unless its a GSL with half of the top players being oversea, like this year. And Blizzcon was basically the tournament were those 2 divided regions that seldom played against each other really clashed, so Code S players could have proven that Code S actually meant they are the best.
But it doesn't matter really, since there is a region lock next year. And GSL will be back in full.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 13 2014 10:32 GMT
#141
On November 13 2014 19:30 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 17:11 cpower wrote:
On November 13 2014 10:02 Jazzman88 wrote:
On November 13 2014 08:30 ZAiNs wrote:
On November 13 2014 08:25 Jazzman88 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere. The tournament was so prestigious and so important to the players that they would pull no punches and spare no expenses to win their matches. Similar to The International for Dota2 and Worlds for LoL in that regard. Questioning the validity of the tournament's line-up after all three of this year's champions and the four-time finalist were all taken out by players either in Code B or not playing in the GSL seems more funky than anything.


But Zealously, Rain is actually the best player in the world, Artosis said so, and it's just not fair that WCS KR points don't count for more than winning the most stacked tournament of the year by beating arguably 3 of the top 5 players on the planet.

Are you really calling Blizzcon the most stacked tournament of the year?



With all of the GSL finalists from this year there? With Taeja (11 premier titles) there? Bomber fresh off a title? MMA ditto? Absolutely.

not quite. life only played 2 code S level players in Zest and Taeja. In order to win gsl , you will at least beat 4 of them. Winning gsl is still a lot harder than winning blizzcon


unless its a GSL with half of the top players being oversea, like this year. And Blizzcon was basically the tournament were those 2 divided regions that seldom played against each other really clashed, so Code S players could have proven that Code S actually meant they are the best.
But it doesn't matter really, since there is a region lock next year. And GSL will be back in full.

"half the top players" , ok i am curious, who are these players you are speaking of?
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ValM
Profile Joined May 2010
India408 Posts
November 13 2014 11:20 GMT
#142
On November 13 2014 08:21 Dwayn wrote:
MMA doesn't belong in any top 10.



Get lost sir.

I just cannot believe the lack of respect in general for MMA despite his accomplishments against the so called Korea region or Kespa players even. I don't say he is the best player or anything ridiculous of that sort but this run of his is a huge accomplishment for any relevant player. If the list is weighed heavily on blizzcon results then what the hell are zest and soo doing up there?

I feel we are heavily confusing between who we think are solid/beastly players overall while looking at their play and who should be good or bad depending on their result in a particular tournamentwhich is blizzcon in this case.

As an MMA fan I am proud of what he has achieved and how far he has come after being written off by everybody. No player in sc2 had fallen as hard as he did and has come back as strongly as has in a totally different era. Looking back there are almost no players of his time around except Bomber, DRG and probably Polt. And still he is there standing tall demolishing claims and proving his worth, while all we can do is scoff if he should be #6 or lower/higher.

Are we just a bunch of fanboys grumbling because their player didn't win or didn't get enough recognition for it? Or we can look at the greater picture and respect everybody who puts everything on the line in order to pursue their respective dreams. All players might not win titles despite being good enough to do so, but all players can win respect and the hearts of people watching them and make new fans for themselves and show their passion and dedication. I sometimes feel all of us have forgotten most of this.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 13 2014 11:44 GMT
#143
Putting Life at #1 does feel a little bit like putting Cilic at #1 for beating Federer at the US Open and going on to win it.

I can't quite bring myself to think that Life is a better player than Taeja/Zest overall, even if he was godly for Blizzcon.

I guess given the transitory nature of Power Ranks, I'll begrudgingly let Zealously have his moment. For now.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 13 2014 11:49 GMT
#144
Maybe if Life wins the Hot6ix Cup he will be considered the best player in the world for me
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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
November 13 2014 11:52 GMT
#145
the fact that so many things on this PR, especially Life and MMA, are being argued over means that it is generally controversial. the previous one with rain, flash and zest was okay-ish, and i guess you could say that it was generally 'correct'.

just like sos i predict life to fall off. the kinds of players that win a weekend tournament, for some reason, do not perform well over the long run in korea.
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
November 13 2014 12:02 GMT
#146
On November 13 2014 20:52 shadymmj wrote:
the fact that so many things on this PR, especially Life and MMA, are being argued over means that it is generally controversial. the previous one with rain, flash and zest was okay-ish, and i guess you could say that it was generally 'correct'.

just like sos i predict life to fall off. the kinds of players that win a weekend tournament, for some reason, do not perform well over the long run in korea.

Ähm, you know, that Life is a GSL Royal Roader?
On November 13 2014 19:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 19:30 FeyFey wrote:
On November 13 2014 17:11 cpower wrote:
On November 13 2014 10:02 Jazzman88 wrote:
On November 13 2014 08:30 ZAiNs wrote:
On November 13 2014 08:25 Jazzman88 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere. The tournament was so prestigious and so important to the players that they would pull no punches and spare no expenses to win their matches. Similar to The International for Dota2 and Worlds for LoL in that regard. Questioning the validity of the tournament's line-up after all three of this year's champions and the four-time finalist were all taken out by players either in Code B or not playing in the GSL seems more funky than anything.


But Zealously, Rain is actually the best player in the world, Artosis said so, and it's just not fair that WCS KR points don't count for more than winning the most stacked tournament of the year by beating arguably 3 of the top 5 players on the planet.

Are you really calling Blizzcon the most stacked tournament of the year?



With all of the GSL finalists from this year there? With Taeja (11 premier titles) there? Bomber fresh off a title? MMA ditto? Absolutely.

not quite. life only played 2 code S level players in Zest and Taeja. In order to win gsl , you will at least beat 4 of them. Winning gsl is still a lot harder than winning blizzcon


unless its a GSL with half of the top players being oversea, like this year. And Blizzcon was basically the tournament were those 2 divided regions that seldom played against each other really clashed, so Code S players could have proven that Code S actually meant they are the best.
But it doesn't matter really, since there is a region lock next year. And GSL will be back in full.

"half the top players" , ok i am curious, who are these players you are speaking of?

Half is probably a bit to much, but I think his point is clear: For the last 2 years, GSL wasn't "complete" and shortly it will become complete again, which is something to get exited about.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 13 2014 12:07 GMT
#147
On November 13 2014 21:02 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 20:52 shadymmj wrote:
the fact that so many things on this PR, especially Life and MMA, are being argued over means that it is generally controversial. the previous one with rain, flash and zest was okay-ish, and i guess you could say that it was generally 'correct'.

just like sos i predict life to fall off. the kinds of players that win a weekend tournament, for some reason, do not perform well over the long run in korea.

Ähm, you know, that Life is a GSL Royal Roader?
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 19:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 13 2014 19:30 FeyFey wrote:
On November 13 2014 17:11 cpower wrote:
On November 13 2014 10:02 Jazzman88 wrote:
On November 13 2014 08:30 ZAiNs wrote:
On November 13 2014 08:25 Jazzman88 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't.


Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere. The tournament was so prestigious and so important to the players that they would pull no punches and spare no expenses to win their matches. Similar to The International for Dota2 and Worlds for LoL in that regard. Questioning the validity of the tournament's line-up after all three of this year's champions and the four-time finalist were all taken out by players either in Code B or not playing in the GSL seems more funky than anything.


But Zealously, Rain is actually the best player in the world, Artosis said so, and it's just not fair that WCS KR points don't count for more than winning the most stacked tournament of the year by beating arguably 3 of the top 5 players on the planet.

Are you really calling Blizzcon the most stacked tournament of the year?



With all of the GSL finalists from this year there? With Taeja (11 premier titles) there? Bomber fresh off a title? MMA ditto? Absolutely.

not quite. life only played 2 code S level players in Zest and Taeja. In order to win gsl , you will at least beat 4 of them. Winning gsl is still a lot harder than winning blizzcon


unless its a GSL with half of the top players being oversea, like this year. And Blizzcon was basically the tournament were those 2 divided regions that seldom played against each other really clashed, so Code S players could have proven that Code S actually meant they are the best.
But it doesn't matter really, since there is a region lock next year. And GSL will be back in full.

"half the top players" , ok i am curious, who are these players you are speaking of?

Half is probably a bit to much, but I think his point is clear: For the last 2 years, GSL wasn't "complete" and shortly it will become complete again, which is something to get exited about.

Yeah there are certainly players who can compete in Code S, but not really anyone who would win it tbh (maybe taeja, but that is a big maybe considering he never won a gsl or even WCS event)
So yeah, i am not sure if it will have that big of an impact tbh, at least for the playoff rounds.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 13 2014 12:12 GMT
#148
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.
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Kingsky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore298 Posts
November 13 2014 12:12 GMT
#149
i saw the battle between taeja and life... it was on a completely different level from MMA vs life. in MMA vs life, life felt in control.

but in taeja vs life... it was like as if a higher power wanted life to win, taeja just couldnt cut the mustard
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 13 2014 12:15 GMT
#150
On November 13 2014 21:12 Zealously wrote:
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.

Cause he never won a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent?
Taeja is a great player, one of the best the game has seen for sure, but he still lacks a GSL title (or even wcs one).
Next year he will have the chance to win one (with the new spotv league even more than ever)
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 13 2014 12:23 GMT
#151
On November 13 2014 21:12 Zealously wrote:
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.

They even had a bunch of time to prepare for him.
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catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
November 13 2014 12:55 GMT
#152
On November 13 2014 20:44 marvellosity wrote:
Putting Life at #1 does feel a little bit like putting Cilic at #1 for beating Federer at the US Open and going on to win it.

I can't quite bring myself to think that Life is a better player than Taeja/Zest overall, even if he was godly for Blizzcon.

I guess given the transitory nature of Power Ranks, I'll begrudgingly let Zealously have his moment. For now.


Terrible comparison. As there are 4 major Grand Slams.

Compare it to the World Series or Super Bowl or UEFA Champions League.

Are the Giants not the best team in Baseball for 2014? Are the Seahawks (from last year) not the best team in the NFL for 2013? Real Madrid is the best team from 2013-2014 UEFA.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 13 2014 13:31 GMT
#153
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Axxis
Profile Joined May 2010
United States133 Posts
November 13 2014 13:42 GMT
#154
I think this ranking is pretty well spot on. There are always going to be spots where you feel different in your personal view. I myself enjoy the power rankings and look forward to more.
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Eiltonn
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany307 Posts
November 13 2014 13:44 GMT
#155
I like how soO´s highest ever placement is rank 2 :D:D:D

BTW i strongly disagree with Life being number 1. The writer himself concluded that MMA probably is not that strong and neither is San. So Life went Rank 1 by beating Zest and cheesing the shit out of Taeja? If we judge power rank like this we could just take the placements at Blizzcon and translate them 1:1 to the power rank
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Belgica34432 Posts
November 13 2014 14:11 GMT
#156
No bias at all

Life shouldn't even be in the top 10
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nimdil
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Poland3748 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 14:50:25
November 13 2014 14:49 GMT
#157
On November 13 2014 20:20 ValM wrote:
As an MMA fan I am proud of what he has achieved and how far he has come after being written off by everybody. No player in sc2 had fallen as hard as he did and has come back as strongly as has in a totally different era. Looking back there are almost no players of his time around except Bomber, DRG and probably Polt. And still he is there standing tall demolishing claims and proving his worth, while all we can do is scoff if he should be #6 or lower/higher.


MC? jjakji won GSL right after MMA. Also San - he was 2 times GSL semifinalists in 2011. Taeja was active even though he wasn't really present in top tier competition at the time. Obviously KeSPA players were playing Brood War at the time so it's a bit hard to say they were or weren't around at the time. Stardust and HyuN were KeSPA players and switched to SC2 only later on. Of the 16 players playing at BlizzCon only Life (and maybe TaeJa) really arrived after MMA. It's actually interesting that for 2014 in top 16 there are no really new players.

But true - MMA has fallen the most of all of them only to climb back. The problem is that in 2011 his style - between mech heavy Mvp and bio heavy MarineKing - was almost eclectic and deadly effective, he was able to almost literally tear opponent apart. MMA of today, even in championship contender form, is unable to reproduce such form.

On November 13 2014 21:55 catabowl wrote:
Are the Giants not the best team in Baseball for 2014? Are the Seahawks (from last year) not the best team in the NFL for 2013? Real Madrid is the best team from 2013-2014 UEFA.

Real Madrid maybe won Champions League, but I wouldn't call them best in Europe
Rikudou
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany151 Posts
November 13 2014 15:05 GMT
#158
it's crazy how ppl still argue about some rankings, but one thing is sure though: Life is #1 and he truly deserves it
who cares about the other rankings anyways, right?
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epiphanes
Profile Joined August 2011
7 Posts
November 13 2014 15:09 GMT
#159
Well the reason I think Life is #1 because even though Taeja, Bomber and whatnot won more tournaments this year, Life made more money winning Blizzcon, so his ability to win on the biggest stage under the brightest lights vaults him to the top of the Power Rankings and to #4 in SC2 earners.

Does the money count toward anything??
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 15:11:46
November 13 2014 15:11 GMT
#160
Places MMA after #2 of WCS and #1 of WCS EU and winning vs GSL champion on "WCS Powerrank" #6.
Especially lower than overrated Innovation and a Zest who was a total utter complete failure in WCS.
Good job, Zealously!

*tactical facepalm*
smashlloyd20
Profile Joined October 2012
251 Posts
November 13 2014 15:15 GMT
#161
Taeja at 2 feels sort of wrong to me. His stomping of soO was impressive but it just doesn't feel right...nobody besides Life and MMA (6? Really?) played well enough at Blizzcon to be placed over him though.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 13 2014 15:51 GMT
#162
On November 14 2014 00:11 Caladan wrote:
Places MMA after #2 of WCS and #1 of WCS EU and winning vs GSL champion on "WCS Powerrank" #6.
Especially lower than overrated Innovation and a Zest who was a total utter complete failure in WCS.
Good job, Zealously!

*tactical facepalm*

It's not a "WCS power rank" though
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Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
November 13 2014 15:53 GMT
#163
On November 14 2014 00:51 Zealously wrote:
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On November 14 2014 00:11 Caladan wrote:
Places MMA after #2 of WCS and #1 of WCS EU and winning vs GSL champion on "WCS Powerrank" #6.
Especially lower than overrated Innovation and a Zest who was a total utter complete failure in WCS.
Good job, Zealously!

*tactical facepalm*

It's not a "WCS power rank" though


How was this power rank calculated? Eh
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bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 13 2014 16:09 GMT
#164
On November 13 2014 21:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 21:12 Zealously wrote:
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.

Cause he never won a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent?
Taeja is a great player, one of the best the game has seen for sure, but he still lacks a GSL title (or even wcs one).
Next year he will have the chance to win one (with the new spotv league even more than ever)

Innovation had a week to prepare. About the same as the GSL ro8 and on wards. Soo had more than a month (give or take can't remember the exact length from the bracket being locked in and the ro16 being played) He didn't win the tournament but he beat both GSL finalists after both had an extended period of time to prepare.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 13 2014 16:19 GMT
#165
On November 14 2014 01:09 bourne117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 21:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 13 2014 21:12 Zealously wrote:
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.

Cause he never won a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent?
Taeja is a great player, one of the best the game has seen for sure, but he still lacks a GSL title (or even wcs one).
Next year he will have the chance to win one (with the new spotv league even more than ever)

Innovation had a week to prepare. About the same as the GSL ro8 and on wards. Soo had more than a month (give or take can't remember the exact length from the bracket being locked in and the ro16 being played) He didn't win the tournament but he beat both GSL finalists after both had an extended period of time to prepare.

So? I don't see how that changes my point.
I never said he will lose vs any good player as soon as you can prepare.
But if you wanna win GSL you have to go through a lot of different opponents who prepare for you.
He couldn't do that yet.
Also the games vs Innovation, well... it doesn't really matter, next year we will have more answers
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p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
November 13 2014 16:22 GMT
#166
One thing is certain, this rank doesn't take consistency into consideration. Life comes from Code B, wins 4 games at Blizzcon and gets #1...easy-peasy.
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Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 16:51:21
November 13 2014 16:48 GMT
#167
The cool thing when you are a TL writer is that you can just insta-put your favorite player at the top of some "Ultimate Latest Edition Power-Rank: Only The Strong Will Survive!" as soon as he wins something.
Thank goodness, Life is awesome, so I can't really disagree much, but where the fuck were the TL writers and the awesome Power Rank right after IGN ProLeague Season 4, which, you know, aLive won? :D
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 13 2014 16:48 GMT
#168
On November 14 2014 01:48 ZenithM wrote:
The cool thing when you are a TL writer is that you can just insta-put your favorite player at the top of some "Ultimate Latest Edition Power-Rank: Only The Strong Will Survive!" as soon as he wins something.
Thank goodness, Life is awesome, so I can't really disagree much, but where the fuck was the TL writers and the awesome Power Rank right after IGN ProLeague Season 4, which, you know, aLive won? :D

Darkhorse wasn't a writer yet at that time
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Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 13 2014 16:53 GMT
#169
On November 14 2014 01:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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On November 14 2014 01:09 bourne117 wrote:
On November 13 2014 21:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 13 2014 21:12 Zealously wrote:
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.

Cause he never won a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent?
Taeja is a great player, one of the best the game has seen for sure, but he still lacks a GSL title (or even wcs one).
Next year he will have the chance to win one (with the new spotv league even more than ever)

Innovation had a week to prepare. About the same as the GSL ro8 and on wards. Soo had more than a month (give or take can't remember the exact length from the bracket being locked in and the ro16 being played) He didn't win the tournament but he beat both GSL finalists after both had an extended period of time to prepare.

So? I don't see how that changes my point.
I never said he will lose vs any good player as soon as you can prepare.
But if you wanna win GSL you have to go through a lot of different opponents who prepare for you.
He couldn't do that yet.
Also the games vs Innovation, well... it doesn't really matter, next year we will have more answers

Except Taeja hasn't been in GSL to actually try since HoTS came out and when he was he was consistently performing despite being having to battle against arguable the most imbalanced time in SC2. You can certainly argue that his lack of success in WCS AM is the same thing except almost all of his failures in WCS AM have been during the ro8 onwards where it is more like a weekend tournament again instead of a GSL style where you can prepare. Why does this whole he lacks a GSL title thing always come up with Taeja? GSLs are incredibly hard to win and there aren't exactly a lot of them making using them as a great indicator of a players strength less than ideal because one bad series and suddenly 1/3rd of the year is lost in terms of GSLs. Rain hasn't won a GSL. Innovation was the consensus best player in the world last year despite never winning. Soo hasn't won one either. Are those players suddenly of lesser quality because of this? Of course not. Is Sniper or roro suddenly a better player than them because they have won a GSL? Of course not. Consistent results are way better than just looking at one tournament and saying oh well you haven't won it so you consistently doing extremely well in it doesn't matter and consistently doing extremely well everywhere else doesn't matter.
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Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
November 13 2014 17:03 GMT
#170
On November 13 2014 21:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 21:12 Zealously wrote:
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.

Cause he never won a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent?
Taeja is a great player, one of the best the game has seen for sure, but he still lacks a GSL title (or even wcs one).
Next year he will have the chance to win one (with the new spotv league even more than ever)



Taeja vs SoO and Taeja vs Inno were both preparation formats.
Go TAEJA
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 13 2014 17:05 GMT
#171
On November 14 2014 02:03 ANLProbe wrote:
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On November 13 2014 21:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 13 2014 21:12 Zealously wrote:
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.

Cause he never won a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent?
Taeja is a great player, one of the best the game has seen for sure, but he still lacks a GSL title (or even wcs one).
Next year he will have the chance to win one (with the new spotv league even more than ever)



Taeja vs SoO and Taeja vs Inno were both preparation formats.


I mean, technically he isn't wrong - Taeja didn't win the tournament. I agree that discrediting him because he didn't win it (it would imply that soO is also shit because he never wins preparation tourneys either) is stupid.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 17:11:11
November 13 2014 17:08 GMT
#172
On November 14 2014 01:53 bourne117 wrote:
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On November 14 2014 01:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 14 2014 01:09 bourne117 wrote:
On November 13 2014 21:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 13 2014 21:12 Zealously wrote:
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.

Cause he never won a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent?
Taeja is a great player, one of the best the game has seen for sure, but he still lacks a GSL title (or even wcs one).
Next year he will have the chance to win one (with the new spotv league even more than ever)

Innovation had a week to prepare. About the same as the GSL ro8 and on wards. Soo had more than a month (give or take can't remember the exact length from the bracket being locked in and the ro16 being played) He didn't win the tournament but he beat both GSL finalists after both had an extended period of time to prepare.

So? I don't see how that changes my point.
I never said he will lose vs any good player as soon as you can prepare.
But if you wanna win GSL you have to go through a lot of different opponents who prepare for you.
He couldn't do that yet.
Also the games vs Innovation, well... it doesn't really matter, next year we will have more answers

Except Taeja hasn't been in GSL to actually try since HoTS came out and when he was he was consistently performing despite being having to battle against arguable the most imbalanced time in SC2. You can certainly argue that his lack of success in WCS AM is the same thing except almost all of his failures in WCS AM have been during the ro8 onwards where it is more like a weekend tournament again instead of a GSL style where you can prepare. Why does this whole he lacks a GSL title thing always come up with Taeja? GSLs are incredibly hard to win and there aren't exactly a lot of them making using them as a great indicator of a players strength less than ideal because one bad series and suddenly 1/3rd of the year is lost in terms of GSLs. Rain hasn't won a GSL. Innovation was the consensus best player in the world last year despite never winning. Soo hasn't won one either. Are those players suddenly of lesser quality because of this? Of course not. Is Sniper or roro suddenly a better player than them because they have won a GSL? Of course not. Consistent results are way better than just looking at one tournament and saying oh well you haven't won it so you consistently doing extremely well in it doesn't matter and consistently doing extremely well everywhere else doesn't matter.

I don't say it doesn't matter. I also don't say that one gsl win is worth more than what taeja does.
But the fact that taeja never won a wcs tournament despite his countless other tournament might imply that he isn't suited for these tournaments.
Basically i am just saying that i don't feel comfortable calling him the best terran in the world when he "only" wins weekend tournaments where a lot of hard opponents are missing or can't really prepare for him.
That doesn't mean that his achievements aren't worth anything, my statement isn't that black and white
I certainly think he is a top 3 terran for sure, at least most of the time^^

On November 14 2014 02:05 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 02:03 ANLProbe wrote:
On November 13 2014 21:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 13 2014 21:12 Zealously wrote:
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.

Cause he never won a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent?
Taeja is a great player, one of the best the game has seen for sure, but he still lacks a GSL title (or even wcs one).
Next year he will have the chance to win one (with the new spotv league even more than ever)



Taeja vs SoO and Taeja vs Inno were both preparation formats.


I mean, technically he isn't wrong - Taeja didn't win the tournament. I agree that discrediting him because he didn't win it (it would imply that soO is also shit because he never wins preparation tourneys either) is stupid.

I don't discredit him, at least i don't want to. I just don't agree with people calling him the best terran in the world when all his achievements so far are pretty much in one style of tournament. Missing a lot of great players.
People always mention he won like 11 tournaments or something like that, but a lot of these tournaments weren't THAT stacked tbh (even when he won vs one or two s class players in them, that isn't really enough in code s for example)
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 17:28:09
November 13 2014 17:26 GMT
#173
But then, for fairness, we must also turn the argument around. How well has Innovation done in the tournaments Taeja has dominated this year? How about Classic? If we want to put weight on being able to handle both, the GSL experts need to suit up and perform at weekend tournaments as well.

Edit: wrong player name
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 13 2014 17:31 GMT
#174
I'm just saying none of them even won a Leifeng cup
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 13 2014 17:38 GMT
#175
On November 14 2014 02:26 Zealously wrote:
But then, for fairness, we must also turn the argument around. How well has Innovation done in the tournaments Taeja has dominated this year? How about Classic? If we want to put weight on being able to handle both, the GSL experts need to suit up and perform at weekend tournaments as well.

Edit: wrong player name

Yeah sure. These types of tournaments are just completely different, the best player should do well in both.
It is just that people usually focus more on the korean tournaments cause of the competition.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 17:39:55
November 13 2014 17:39 GMT
#176
wrong thread my bad
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Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
November 13 2014 18:07 GMT
#177
Good to see that most ppl agree that this PR has some odd placements.
That said, I agree most of the times with PR.
phantomfive
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)404 Posts
November 13 2014 18:14 GMT
#178
On November 13 2014 08:38 Mistakes wrote:
Why the fuck is TaeJa always so high on everything ever?
TT

Have you seen Taeja play? That's why.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 19:07:00
November 13 2014 19:00 GMT
#179
On November 13 2014 15:39 Zealously wrote:
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On November 13 2014 13:03 Bagration wrote:
On November 13 2014 12:17 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:25 Dodgin wrote:
lol taeja gets 8 slots higher than bomber even though he lost in WCS AM as usual

joke


IT IS A POWER RANK!

The title of the goddamn list is the post-Blizzcon POWER RANK! He says in the beginning of the damn list that he weighted Blizzcon very heavily, why in the hell does the WCS AM tournament matter? It doesn't.

Geez, I feel like I'm the only nerd on this site that ever reads conventional sporting Power Ranks. The rest of you don't seem to have a clue of what they are.


He didn't weigh Blizzcon heavily - he only weighed it heavily when it suited him (Life #1, but MMA #6).

That's why this Power Ranking is clearly biased - there's no consistent methodology here.


I don't think placing MMA at #6 for beating the players he did and getting absolutely crushed by Life is terribly biased. Would you rate him above soO or Zest after Blizzcon? For me, the answer was no - he impressed me, but not that much.


My reasoning is this:
Up until the finals, MMA beat each of his opponents by a comfortable margin (3-1 each time), and his opponents weren't exactly walkovers - Bomber was pegged as a big contender, and Classic is no slouch either.

Secondly, MMA didn't exactly come out of nowhere for Blizzcon. He won 2 Premier tournaments (Dreamhack and WCS EU) in the months right before Blizzcon - overall he's had a very good fall.

I don't think that Life at #1 is wrong, but the reasoning is inconsistent - if Life can be #1 from one good tournament, why does MMA need 3 good showings and only gets #6?

Ultimately, ability is one thing, but accomplishments when it matters is also very important. soO and Zest FAILED at Blizzcon. When it came down to the wire, they came up short.
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meshfusion
Profile Joined June 2014
Russian Federation232 Posts
November 13 2014 19:01 GMT
#180
lol MMA at number 6
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Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 13 2014 19:12 GMT
#181
On November 14 2014 04:00 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 15:39 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 13:03 Bagration wrote:
On November 13 2014 12:17 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:25 Dodgin wrote:
lol taeja gets 8 slots higher than bomber even though he lost in WCS AM as usual

joke


IT IS A POWER RANK!

The title of the goddamn list is the post-Blizzcon POWER RANK! He says in the beginning of the damn list that he weighted Blizzcon very heavily, why in the hell does the WCS AM tournament matter? It doesn't.

Geez, I feel like I'm the only nerd on this site that ever reads conventional sporting Power Ranks. The rest of you don't seem to have a clue of what they are.


He didn't weigh Blizzcon heavily - he only weighed it heavily when it suited him (Life #1, but MMA #6).

That's why this Power Ranking is clearly biased - there's no consistent methodology here.


I don't think placing MMA at #6 for beating the players he did and getting absolutely crushed by Life is terribly biased. Would you rate him above soO or Zest after Blizzcon? For me, the answer was no - he impressed me, but not that much.


My reasoning is this:
Up until the finals, MMA beat each of his opponents by a comfortable margin (3-1 each time), and his opponents weren't exactly walkovers - Bomber was pegged as a big contender, and Classic is no slouch either.

Secondly, MMA didn't exactly come out of nowhere for Blizzcon. He won 2 Premier tournaments (Dreamhack and WCS EU) in the months right before Blizzcon - overall he's had a very good fall.

I don't think that Life at #1 is wrong, but the reasoning is inconsistent - if Life can be #1 from one good tournament, why does MMA need 3 good showings and only gets #6?

Ultimately, ability is one thing, but accomplishments when it matters is also very important. soO and Zest FAILED at Blizzcon. When it came down to the wire, they came up short.


It's fairly simple: because I think Life performed much better than MMA did. I covered this in MMA's section, but I have this nagging feeling that there were a lot of players that Blizzcon that could or should have taken him out. I definitely respect his run and it's one of his best recently, but the way he unceremoniously dropped to an on-form player (Life) makes me question whether or not he got to the finals simply by virtue of being better than his opponents, or if he was aided by his opponents collapsing or having a bad day.
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ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
November 13 2014 19:16 GMT
#182
Hm not really that good eh? I get a little bit of bias here and there, but this writeup/Powerrank is at best mediocre.

PS: putting MMA to 6 arguing that way is pretty lousy too..... and the high placement of Taeja is also a bit......ah forget it
bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 13 2014 19:17 GMT
#183
On November 14 2014 04:00 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 15:39 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 13:03 Bagration wrote:
On November 13 2014 12:17 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:25 Dodgin wrote:
lol taeja gets 8 slots higher than bomber even though he lost in WCS AM as usual

joke


IT IS A POWER RANK!

The title of the goddamn list is the post-Blizzcon POWER RANK! He says in the beginning of the damn list that he weighted Blizzcon very heavily, why in the hell does the WCS AM tournament matter? It doesn't.

Geez, I feel like I'm the only nerd on this site that ever reads conventional sporting Power Ranks. The rest of you don't seem to have a clue of what they are.


He didn't weigh Blizzcon heavily - he only weighed it heavily when it suited him (Life #1, but MMA #6).

That's why this Power Ranking is clearly biased - there's no consistent methodology here.


I don't think placing MMA at #6 for beating the players he did and getting absolutely crushed by Life is terribly biased. Would you rate him above soO or Zest after Blizzcon? For me, the answer was no - he impressed me, but not that much.


My reasoning is this:
Up until the finals, MMA beat each of his opponents by a comfortable margin (3-1 each time), and his opponents weren't exactly walkovers - Bomber was pegged as a big contender, and Classic is no slouch either.

Secondly, MMA didn't exactly come out of nowhere for Blizzcon. He won 2 Premier tournaments (Dreamhack and WCS EU) in the months right before Blizzcon - overall he's had a very good fall.

I don't think that Life at #1 is wrong, but the reasoning is inconsistent - if Life can be #1 from one good tournament, why does MMA need 3 good showings and only gets #6?

Ultimately, ability is one thing, but accomplishments when it matters is also very important. soO and Zest FAILED at Blizzcon. When it came down to the wire, they came up short.

MMA had tough competition but who should be be above out of Taeja Innovation Soo Zest and Life? Those 5 only were beat by each other have more success outside of blizzcon. MMA is ahead of everyone he beat and while he did win 2 tournaments what big opponents did he beat there to put him ahead of one of those 5? The only one of those that doesn't have great success leading up to blizzcon is Life who beat MMA handily and won it all. The rest have better results than MMA still
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
November 13 2014 19:21 GMT
#184
On November 14 2014 04:12 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 04:00 Bagration wrote:
On November 13 2014 15:39 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 13:03 Bagration wrote:
On November 13 2014 12:17 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:25 Dodgin wrote:
lol taeja gets 8 slots higher than bomber even though he lost in WCS AM as usual

joke


IT IS A POWER RANK!

The title of the goddamn list is the post-Blizzcon POWER RANK! He says in the beginning of the damn list that he weighted Blizzcon very heavily, why in the hell does the WCS AM tournament matter? It doesn't.

Geez, I feel like I'm the only nerd on this site that ever reads conventional sporting Power Ranks. The rest of you don't seem to have a clue of what they are.


He didn't weigh Blizzcon heavily - he only weighed it heavily when it suited him (Life #1, but MMA #6).

That's why this Power Ranking is clearly biased - there's no consistent methodology here.


I don't think placing MMA at #6 for beating the players he did and getting absolutely crushed by Life is terribly biased. Would you rate him above soO or Zest after Blizzcon? For me, the answer was no - he impressed me, but not that much.


My reasoning is this:
Up until the finals, MMA beat each of his opponents by a comfortable margin (3-1 each time), and his opponents weren't exactly walkovers - Bomber was pegged as a big contender, and Classic is no slouch either.

Secondly, MMA didn't exactly come out of nowhere for Blizzcon. He won 2 Premier tournaments (Dreamhack and WCS EU) in the months right before Blizzcon - overall he's had a very good fall.

I don't think that Life at #1 is wrong, but the reasoning is inconsistent - if Life can be #1 from one good tournament, why does MMA need 3 good showings and only gets #6?

Ultimately, ability is one thing, but accomplishments when it matters is also very important. soO and Zest FAILED at Blizzcon. When it came down to the wire, they came up short.


It's fairly simple: because I think Life performed much better than MMA did. I covered this in MMA's section, but I have this nagging feeling that there were a lot of players that Blizzcon that could or should have taken him out. I definitely respect his run and it's one of his best recently, but the way he unceremoniously dropped to an on-form player (Life) makes me question whether or not he got to the finals simply by virtue of being better than his opponents, or if he was aided by his opponents collapsing or having a bad day.


Fair enough, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree haha
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 19:24:16
November 13 2014 19:21 GMT
#185
On November 13 2014 07:32 Greenei wrote:
These power ranks seem so inconsistent. Sometimes the month performance doesn't seem to matter much more than consistency and sometimes it is enough to instantly catapult a player to rank 1. In the end the WCS finals only were 4 matches. If these ranks were made like the one where Rain won, Bomber should be much higher. He won RBBG and WCS America after all.


There's one consistency. Taeja is always higher ranked than he should be.

Taeja hasn't won anything since July but makes a Semi final here and gets ranked 2nd.

MMA hasn't done jack all for months either but comes 2nd at Blizzcon and gets ranked 6th

Team Liquid Power Rank logic in action.
bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 13 2014 19:24 GMT
#186
On November 14 2014 02:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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On November 14 2014 01:53 bourne117 wrote:
On November 14 2014 01:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 14 2014 01:09 bourne117 wrote:
On November 13 2014 21:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 13 2014 21:12 Zealously wrote:
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.

Cause he never won a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent?
Taeja is a great player, one of the best the game has seen for sure, but he still lacks a GSL title (or even wcs one).
Next year he will have the chance to win one (with the new spotv league even more than ever)

Innovation had a week to prepare. About the same as the GSL ro8 and on wards. Soo had more than a month (give or take can't remember the exact length from the bracket being locked in and the ro16 being played) He didn't win the tournament but he beat both GSL finalists after both had an extended period of time to prepare.

So? I don't see how that changes my point.
I never said he will lose vs any good player as soon as you can prepare.
But if you wanna win GSL you have to go through a lot of different opponents who prepare for you.
He couldn't do that yet.
Also the games vs Innovation, well... it doesn't really matter, next year we will have more answers

Except Taeja hasn't been in GSL to actually try since HoTS came out and when he was he was consistently performing despite being having to battle against arguable the most imbalanced time in SC2. You can certainly argue that his lack of success in WCS AM is the same thing except almost all of his failures in WCS AM have been during the ro8 onwards where it is more like a weekend tournament again instead of a GSL style where you can prepare. Why does this whole he lacks a GSL title thing always come up with Taeja? GSLs are incredibly hard to win and there aren't exactly a lot of them making using them as a great indicator of a players strength less than ideal because one bad series and suddenly 1/3rd of the year is lost in terms of GSLs. Rain hasn't won a GSL. Innovation was the consensus best player in the world last year despite never winning. Soo hasn't won one either. Are those players suddenly of lesser quality because of this? Of course not. Is Sniper or roro suddenly a better player than them because they have won a GSL? Of course not. Consistent results are way better than just looking at one tournament and saying oh well you haven't won it so you consistently doing extremely well in it doesn't matter and consistently doing extremely well everywhere else doesn't matter.

I don't say it doesn't matter. I also don't say that one gsl win is worth more than what taeja does.
But the fact that taeja never won a wcs tournament despite his countless other tournament might imply that he isn't suited for these tournaments.
Basically i am just saying that i don't feel comfortable calling him the best terran in the world when he "only" wins weekend tournaments where a lot of hard opponents are missing or can't really prepare for him.
That doesn't mean that his achievements aren't worth anything, my statement isn't that black and white
I certainly think he is a top 3 terran for sure, at least most of the time^^

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On November 14 2014 02:05 Zealously wrote:
On November 14 2014 02:03 ANLProbe wrote:
On November 13 2014 21:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 13 2014 21:12 Zealously wrote:
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.

Cause he never won a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent?
Taeja is a great player, one of the best the game has seen for sure, but he still lacks a GSL title (or even wcs one).
Next year he will have the chance to win one (with the new spotv league even more than ever)



Taeja vs SoO and Taeja vs Inno were both preparation formats.


I mean, technically he isn't wrong - Taeja didn't win the tournament. I agree that discrediting him because he didn't win it (it would imply that soO is also shit because he never wins preparation tourneys either) is stupid.

I don't discredit him, at least i don't want to. I just don't agree with people calling him the best terran in the world when all his achievements so far are pretty much in one style of tournament. Missing a lot of great players.
People always mention he won like 11 tournaments or something like that, but a lot of these tournaments weren't THAT stacked tbh (even when he won vs one or two s class players in them, that isn't really enough in code s for example)

Lets completely ignore tournament wins then and purely look at who he has beaten. Soo is overall probably the best zerg right now (regardless of life being #1 right now) Taeja 3-1ed him. Innovation just won the GSL. Taeja 3-1ed (before you say the delays are the only reason game 1 and 2 were played almost completely without delays and the series was 1-1 with taeja kind of throwing game 1, plus historically taeja has had innovations number hard. The head to head right now is like 11-5 in favor of Taeja. Then Zest the consensus best Toss taeja has beaten 3-0 and 2-1 in recent tournaments. So he has a winning record with convincing wins against basically the best of all 3 races from korea. If Taeja played in korea even with just ro8 and ro4 performances (just like he would get when he use to be in the GSL) he would be viewed as easily the best terran but because he is from WCS NA he is put to a higher standard.
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Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
November 13 2014 19:58 GMT
#187
LIFE LIFE LIFE LIFE #1 NOW AND FOREVER!
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ValM
Profile Joined May 2010
India408 Posts
November 13 2014 19:59 GMT
#188
On November 14 2014 04:12 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 04:00 Bagration wrote:
On November 13 2014 15:39 Zealously wrote:
On November 13 2014 13:03 Bagration wrote:
On November 13 2014 12:17 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:25 Dodgin wrote:
lol taeja gets 8 slots higher than bomber even though he lost in WCS AM as usual

joke


IT IS A POWER RANK!

The title of the goddamn list is the post-Blizzcon POWER RANK! He says in the beginning of the damn list that he weighted Blizzcon very heavily, why in the hell does the WCS AM tournament matter? It doesn't.

Geez, I feel like I'm the only nerd on this site that ever reads conventional sporting Power Ranks. The rest of you don't seem to have a clue of what they are.


He didn't weigh Blizzcon heavily - he only weighed it heavily when it suited him (Life #1, but MMA #6).

That's why this Power Ranking is clearly biased - there's no consistent methodology here.


I don't think placing MMA at #6 for beating the players he did and getting absolutely crushed by Life is terribly biased. Would you rate him above soO or Zest after Blizzcon? For me, the answer was no - he impressed me, but not that much.


My reasoning is this:
Up until the finals, MMA beat each of his opponents by a comfortable margin (3-1 each time), and his opponents weren't exactly walkovers - Bomber was pegged as a big contender, and Classic is no slouch either.

Secondly, MMA didn't exactly come out of nowhere for Blizzcon. He won 2 Premier tournaments (Dreamhack and WCS EU) in the months right before Blizzcon - overall he's had a very good fall.

I don't think that Life at #1 is wrong, but the reasoning is inconsistent - if Life can be #1 from one good tournament, why does MMA need 3 good showings and only gets #6?

Ultimately, ability is one thing, but accomplishments when it matters is also very important. soO and Zest FAILED at Blizzcon. When it came down to the wire, they came up short.


It's fairly simple: because I think Life performed much better than MMA did. I covered this in MMA's section, but I have this nagging feeling that there were a lot of players that Blizzcon that could or should have taken him out. I definitely respect his run and it's one of his best recently, but the way he unceremoniously dropped to an on-form player (Life) makes me question whether or not he got to the finals simply by virtue of being better than his opponents, or if he was aided by his opponents collapsing or having a bad day.



On November 13 2014 20:20 ValM wrote:
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On November 13 2014 08:21 Dwayn wrote:
MMA doesn't belong in any top 10.



Get lost sir.

I just cannot believe the lack of respect in general for MMA despite his accomplishments against the so called Korea region or Kespa players even. I don't say he is the best player or anything ridiculous of that sort but this run of his is a huge accomplishment for any relevant player. If the list is weighed heavily on blizzcon results then what the hell are zest and soo doing up there?

I feel we are heavily confusing between who we think are solid/beastly players overall while looking at their play and who should be good or bad depending on their result in a particular tournamentwhich is blizzcon in this case.

As an MMA fan I am proud of what he has achieved and how far he has come after being written off by everybody. No player in sc2 had fallen as hard as he did and has come back as strongly as has in a totally different era. Looking back there are almost no players of his time around except Bomber, DRG and probably Polt. And still he is there standing tall demolishing claims and proving his worth, while all we can do is scoff if he should be #6 or lower/higher.

Are we just a bunch of fanboys grumbling because their player didn't win or didn't get enough recognition for it? Or we can look at the greater picture and respect everybody who puts everything on the line in order to pursue their respective dreams. All players might not win titles despite being good enough to do so, but all players can win respect and the hearts of people watching them and make new fans for themselves and show their passion and dedication. I sometimes feel all of us have forgotten most of this.


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bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 13 2014 20:08 GMT
#189
On November 14 2014 04:21 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:32 Greenei wrote:
These power ranks seem so inconsistent. Sometimes the month performance doesn't seem to matter much more than consistency and sometimes it is enough to instantly catapult a player to rank 1. In the end the WCS finals only were 4 matches. If these ranks were made like the one where Rain won, Bomber should be much higher. He won RBBG and WCS America after all.


There's one consistency. Taeja is always higher ranked than he should be.

Taeja hasn't won anything since July but makes a Semi final here and gets ranked 2nd.

MMA hasn't done jack all for months either but comes 2nd at Blizzcon and gets ranked 6th

Team Liquid Power Rank logic in action.

Taeja also beat both finalists of the last GSL 3-1. There is more to a power ranking than just looking at how much you have won recently.
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Mefano
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden190 Posts
November 13 2014 20:10 GMT
#190
This is overall a good power ranking, MMA did absolutely not look super strong going into the finals, I don't know if people really watched the games (because the results tell a different story and frankly that story is kind of misleading).

That said ofcourse he did not look weak, a number 6 placement is still crazy high and he deserves it. And who knows what's in store for next year!

Just my opinion after watching Blizzcon :-)


I'm also very terran biased, because I love terran and always root for terran to win. Even through this It's still pretty obvious he is not better than the top 5.
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
November 13 2014 20:49 GMT
#191
On November 14 2014 05:08 bourne117 wrote:
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On November 14 2014 04:21 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:32 Greenei wrote:
These power ranks seem so inconsistent. Sometimes the month performance doesn't seem to matter much more than consistency and sometimes it is enough to instantly catapult a player to rank 1. In the end the WCS finals only were 4 matches. If these ranks were made like the one where Rain won, Bomber should be much higher. He won RBBG and WCS America after all.


There's one consistency. Taeja is always higher ranked than he should be.

Taeja hasn't won anything since July but makes a Semi final here and gets ranked 2nd.

MMA hasn't done jack all for months either but comes 2nd at Blizzcon and gets ranked 6th

Team Liquid Power Rank logic in action.

Taeja also beat both finalists of the last GSL 3-1. There is more to a power ranking than just looking at how much you have won recently.


I don't disagree that he should be on it he just quite blatantly shouldn't second.
TheLittleOtter
Profile Joined December 2013
Norway11 Posts
November 13 2014 22:12 GMT
#192
I am a bit sad for MMA getting only 6th place, although I am glad he is in the power rank. Life at #1 is fair. I am just sad that people still attribude MMAs astounding achievements to luck; especially his victory over Bomber was incredibly impressive, and he has won two big tournaments recently. It is not the low ranking on this list that hurts me, but rather the failure to recognize that you create your own luck.
Otherwise I think this was a nice writeup, though you could have written something on herO at least...
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TheLittleOtter
Profile Joined December 2013
Norway11 Posts
November 13 2014 22:19 GMT
#193
On November 13 2014 07:32 Greenei wrote:
These power ranks seem so inconsistent. Sometimes the month performance doesn't seem to matter much more than consistency and sometimes it is enough to instantly catapult a player to rank 1. In the end the WCS finals only were 4 matches. If these ranks were made like the one where Rain won, Bomber should be much higher. He won RBBG and WCS America after all.

I agree so, so much!
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bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 13 2014 22:34 GMT
#194
On November 14 2014 05:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 05:08 bourne117 wrote:
On November 14 2014 04:21 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:32 Greenei wrote:
These power ranks seem so inconsistent. Sometimes the month performance doesn't seem to matter much more than consistency and sometimes it is enough to instantly catapult a player to rank 1. In the end the WCS finals only were 4 matches. If these ranks were made like the one where Rain won, Bomber should be much higher. He won RBBG and WCS America after all.


There's one consistency. Taeja is always higher ranked than he should be.

Taeja hasn't won anything since July but makes a Semi final here and gets ranked 2nd.

MMA hasn't done jack all for months either but comes 2nd at Blizzcon and gets ranked 6th

Team Liquid Power Rank logic in action.

Taeja also beat both finalists of the last GSL 3-1. There is more to a power ranking than just looking at how much you have won recently.


I don't disagree that he should be on it he just quite blatantly shouldn't second.

So who should be ahead of him? Soo? Oh wait he beat soo. Innovation? Oh wait he beat Innovation. Zest he beat Zest and Zest lost to life. MMA? He had a way easier road to the finals.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 13 2014 22:36 GMT
#195
On November 14 2014 07:19 TheLittleOtter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 07:32 Greenei wrote:
These power ranks seem so inconsistent. Sometimes the month performance doesn't seem to matter much more than consistency and sometimes it is enough to instantly catapult a player to rank 1. In the end the WCS finals only were 4 matches. If these ranks were made like the one where Rain won, Bomber should be much higher. He won RBBG and WCS America after all.

I agree so, so much!

I think I explained the reasoning behind this fairly thoroughly (both in the OP and in this thread). There is no more important tournament in th scene than the Global Finals, and players have the best conditions in terms of preparation and rest time to make sure they play the best they possibly could. I think it's reasonable (especially when I said so clearly in the article) to put the most weight on the tournament the players themselves do most to succeed in.
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althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
November 13 2014 23:42 GMT
#196
On November 13 2014 07:14 gneGne wrote:
Cmon.. MMAs run was every bit as astounding as was Life's. You don't just end up in the finals on sheer luck.

MMA's run was about a 10th as impressive as Life's.

Bomber had these guys on his side of the bracket:
Bomber, Jaedong, Stardust, MC, herO, Polt, Classic. Bomber and Classic are genuine stars, arguably Polt as well. MMA had to beat Bomber and Classic, which absolutely impressive.

Life had these monsters on his side of the bracket:
San, jjakji, Zest, Taeja, soO, INnoVation, HyuN. Zest, Taeja, soO and INnoVation aren't starts - they're super-stars. The three best players from GSL plus Taeja, the most successful weekend warrior in SC2. Life beat Zest, which seemed impossible. Then he beat San who whilst not up to the callibre of those four I mentioned earlier, is at least close to the level of Bomber, Classic and Polt. Then he beat Taeja (who was white-hot and took out soO and Bogus). Then he stomped MMA without ever looking even slightly troubled.
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NomaKasd
Profile Joined September 2012
Scotland65 Posts
November 14 2014 02:51 GMT
#197
It was like watching another Rocky film. Underdog won.
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
November 14 2014 05:33 GMT
#198
On November 14 2014 07:34 bourne117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 05:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On November 14 2014 05:08 bourne117 wrote:
On November 14 2014 04:21 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On November 13 2014 07:32 Greenei wrote:
These power ranks seem so inconsistent. Sometimes the month performance doesn't seem to matter much more than consistency and sometimes it is enough to instantly catapult a player to rank 1. In the end the WCS finals only were 4 matches. If these ranks were made like the one where Rain won, Bomber should be much higher. He won RBBG and WCS America after all.


There's one consistency. Taeja is always higher ranked than he should be.

Taeja hasn't won anything since July but makes a Semi final here and gets ranked 2nd.

MMA hasn't done jack all for months either but comes 2nd at Blizzcon and gets ranked 6th

Team Liquid Power Rank logic in action.

Taeja also beat both finalists of the last GSL 3-1. There is more to a power ranking than just looking at how much you have won recently.


I don't disagree that he should be on it he just quite blatantly shouldn't second.

So who should be ahead of him? Soo? Oh wait he beat soo. Innovation? Oh wait he beat Innovation. Zest he beat Zest and Zest lost to life. MMA? He had a way easier road to the finals.


this head to head logic would have been nice last year when dear deserved to be ranked above taeja.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
November 14 2014 10:06 GMT
#199
I love Power ranks, makes for lenghty discussions about why they're wrong.

IMO this is a decent ranking, I love MMA but I wouldn't put him higher without confirmation that he's really back at that "really good" level of play (though he definitely seems on the way to it).

Tajea #2 doesn't shock me as well, the guy is insanely good, and losing to Life the way he did doesn't suddenly make him a joke or unworthy of a top 4.

Life #1, well, I think it's debatable, but this month, he's obvioulsy top 3, just for beating Taeja (who itself beat soO, which gives tons of credit to Life) and Zest when it mattered.

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iamkaokao
Profile Joined March 2011
108 Posts
November 14 2014 15:47 GMT
#200
I dont think MMA deserves this list , his region and opponents" tvt" doesnt prove that he is solid enough yet.. i can see many kespa players like maru , TY , flash , byong , soulkey dark stats rain beating him any given day in a long series ...
TsogiMaster
Profile Joined October 2014
191 Posts
November 14 2014 17:27 GMT
#201
On November 15 2014 00:47 iamkaokao wrote:
I dont think MMA deserves this list , his region and opponents" tvt" doesnt prove that he is solid enough yet.. i can see many kespa players like maru , TY , flash , byong , soulkey dark stats rain beating him any given day in a long series ...


MMA will beat any of them easily in his best day.


This ranking makes any sense. I mean which factors played to this ranking? Life is #1, so i would think Blizzcon had a big impact on this ranking, because Life achieved anything/performed poorly last 2 moths(GSL not even in Code S),except his brilliant play on Blizzcon. Taeja aswell(WCS NA round of 16 only, and no markable tournaments in last 2-3months) If it is so, why is soO and Zest so up there? Being there means that their recently performances (GSL, Dreamhack, Kespa Cup) had surely influenced this ranking too. So why the hell is MMA and Bomber so lower ranked? Both won their WCS Season 3, and MMA winning Dreamhack Moscow, while Bomber winning RedBull Washington. They have to be placed higher if the perfromances from last tournamest should be considered. So these rankings all stand in contrast to each other and they make so sence how it is now. But well, it seems some people agree with these one,
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9362 Posts
November 14 2014 17:43 GMT
#202
Pretty solid powerranking.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 14 2014 17:52 GMT
#203
On November 15 2014 00:47 iamkaokao wrote:
I dont think MMA deserves this list , his region and opponents" tvt" doesnt prove that he is solid enough yet.. i can see many kespa players like maru , TY , flash , byong , soulkey dark stats rain beating him any given day in a long series ...

Considering we have comments saying MMA shouldn't be on the list (like this one), and comments saying he should be as high as #2 or #1, I think #6 is a fair compromise
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 18:25:43
November 14 2014 18:20 GMT
#204
On November 15 2014 02:27 TsogiMaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2014 00:47 iamkaokao wrote:
I dont think MMA deserves this list , his region and opponents" tvt" doesnt prove that he is solid enough yet.. i can see many kespa players like maru , TY , flash , byong , soulkey dark stats rain beating him any given day in a long series ...


MMA will beat any of them easily in his best day.


This ranking makes any sense. I mean which factors played to this ranking? Life is #1, so i would think Blizzcon had a big impact on this ranking, because Life achieved anything/performed poorly last 2 moths(GSL not even in Code S),except his brilliant play on Blizzcon. Taeja aswell(WCS NA round of 16 only, and no markable tournaments in last 2-3months) If it is so, why is soO and Zest so up there? Being there means that their recently performances (GSL, Dreamhack, Kespa Cup) had surely influenced this ranking too. So why the hell is MMA and Bomber so lower ranked? Both won their WCS Season 3, and MMA winning Dreamhack Moscow, while Bomber winning RedBull Washington. They have to be placed higher if the perfromances from last tournamest should be considered. So these rankings all stand in contrast to each other and they make so sence how it is now. But well, it seems some people agree with these one,


This Power Rank weights performance at the WCS Global Finals very heavily. Although results in the past month were looked at in order to determine exact placing, the year's ultimate tournament takes precedence because of its magnitude, format and overall level of competition.
The Power Rank takes into account results, the difficulty of opponents faced, and how good a player looked - both in victory and defeat.
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TsogiMaster
Profile Joined October 2014
191 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 19:52:44
November 14 2014 19:49 GMT
#205
On November 15 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2014 02:27 TsogiMaster wrote:
On November 15 2014 00:47 iamkaokao wrote:
I dont think MMA deserves this list , his region and opponents" tvt" doesnt prove that he is solid enough yet.. i can see many kespa players like maru , TY , flash , byong , soulkey dark stats rain beating him any given day in a long series ...


MMA will beat any of them easily in his best day.


This ranking makes any sense. I mean which factors played to this ranking? Life is #1, so i would think Blizzcon had a big impact on this ranking, because Life achieved anything/performed poorly last 2 moths(GSL not even in Code S),except his brilliant play on Blizzcon. Taeja aswell(WCS NA round of 16 only, and no markable tournaments in last 2-3months) If it is so, why is soO and Zest so up there? Being there means that their recently performances (GSL, Dreamhack, Kespa Cup) had surely influenced this ranking too. So why the hell is MMA and Bomber so lower ranked? Both won their WCS Season 3, and MMA winning Dreamhack Moscow, while Bomber winning RedBull Washington. They have to be placed higher if the perfromances from last tournamest should be considered. So these rankings all stand in contrast to each other and they make so sence how it is now. But well, it seems some people agree with these one,


Show nested quote +
This Power Rank weights performance at the WCS Global Finals very heavily. Although results in the past month were looked at in order to determine exact placing, the year's ultimate tournament takes precedence because of its magnitude, format and overall level of competition.
The Power Rank takes into account results, the difficulty of opponents faced, and how good a player looked - both in victory and defeat.


I kinda know that, what i mean is the time gap, that has been concerned to this rankingl. If it is only 1 month, then there were almost no tournaments to be concerned to this ranking than Blizzcon. Then even how good and dominating they were before, their results hadnt had any influence on these rankings. Zest, who dominated last 3-4 months and considered as the best player, and soO, considered as most consistent player after reaching 4 GSL finals and as the best Zerg player at the moment, didnt play so good at Blizzcon. Zest played well but not so good as he used to be, like soO, who dissapointed more than Zest. So I mean I cant see any general same timeline for all players, almost all of them have different one, thats what i meant. It cant be Life ranked number #1 if it is about last 3-4 months, he delivered only on Blizzcon. If its almost only Blizzcon, then yes he deserves to be number 1, but Zest and soO wouldnt be so high.
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bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 14 2014 20:14 GMT
#206
On November 15 2014 04:49 TsogiMaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:
On November 15 2014 02:27 TsogiMaster wrote:
On November 15 2014 00:47 iamkaokao wrote:
I dont think MMA deserves this list , his region and opponents" tvt" doesnt prove that he is solid enough yet.. i can see many kespa players like maru , TY , flash , byong , soulkey dark stats rain beating him any given day in a long series ...


MMA will beat any of them easily in his best day.


This ranking makes any sense. I mean which factors played to this ranking? Life is #1, so i would think Blizzcon had a big impact on this ranking, because Life achieved anything/performed poorly last 2 moths(GSL not even in Code S),except his brilliant play on Blizzcon. Taeja aswell(WCS NA round of 16 only, and no markable tournaments in last 2-3months) If it is so, why is soO and Zest so up there? Being there means that their recently performances (GSL, Dreamhack, Kespa Cup) had surely influenced this ranking too. So why the hell is MMA and Bomber so lower ranked? Both won their WCS Season 3, and MMA winning Dreamhack Moscow, while Bomber winning RedBull Washington. They have to be placed higher if the perfromances from last tournamest should be considered. So these rankings all stand in contrast to each other and they make so sence how it is now. But well, it seems some people agree with these one,


This Power Rank weights performance at the WCS Global Finals very heavily. Although results in the past month were looked at in order to determine exact placing, the year's ultimate tournament takes precedence because of its magnitude, format and overall level of competition.
The Power Rank takes into account results, the difficulty of opponents faced, and how good a player looked - both in victory and defeat.


I kinda know that, what i mean is the time gap, that has been concerned to this rankingl. If it is only 1 month, then there were almost no tournaments to be concerned to this ranking than Blizzcon. Then even how good and dominating they were before, their results hadnt had any influence on these rankings. Zest, who dominated last 3-4 months and considered as the best player, and soO, considered as most consistent player after reaching 4 GSL finals and as the best Zerg player at the moment, didnt play so good at Blizzcon. Zest played well but not so good as he used to be, like soO, who dissapointed more than Zest. So I mean I cant see any general same timeline for all players, almost all of them have different one, thats what i meant. It cant be Life ranked number #1 if it is about last 3-4 months, he delivered only on Blizzcon. If its almost only Blizzcon, then yes he deserves to be number 1, but Zest and soO wouldnt be so high.

Why do people think Zest and Soo played badly? They played Taeja and Life who were simply just playing even better. If they were on the other side of the bracket I GUARANTEE one of them would be in the finals and would have only lost to each other. The bracket was just unfairly stacked on one side.
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TsogiMaster
Profile Joined October 2014
191 Posts
November 14 2014 20:41 GMT
#207
On November 15 2014 05:14 bourne117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2014 04:49 TsogiMaster wrote:
On November 15 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:
On November 15 2014 02:27 TsogiMaster wrote:
On November 15 2014 00:47 iamkaokao wrote:
I dont think MMA deserves this list , his region and opponents" tvt" doesnt prove that he is solid enough yet.. i can see many kespa players like maru , TY , flash , byong , soulkey dark stats rain beating him any given day in a long series ...


MMA will beat any of them easily in his best day.


This ranking makes any sense. I mean which factors played to this ranking? Life is #1, so i would think Blizzcon had a big impact on this ranking, because Life achieved anything/performed poorly last 2 moths(GSL not even in Code S),except his brilliant play on Blizzcon. Taeja aswell(WCS NA round of 16 only, and no markable tournaments in last 2-3months) If it is so, why is soO and Zest so up there? Being there means that their recently performances (GSL, Dreamhack, Kespa Cup) had surely influenced this ranking too. So why the hell is MMA and Bomber so lower ranked? Both won their WCS Season 3, and MMA winning Dreamhack Moscow, while Bomber winning RedBull Washington. They have to be placed higher if the perfromances from last tournamest should be considered. So these rankings all stand in contrast to each other and they make so sence how it is now. But well, it seems some people agree with these one,


This Power Rank weights performance at the WCS Global Finals very heavily. Although results in the past month were looked at in order to determine exact placing, the year's ultimate tournament takes precedence because of its magnitude, format and overall level of competition.
The Power Rank takes into account results, the difficulty of opponents faced, and how good a player looked - both in victory and defeat.


I kinda know that, what i mean is the time gap, that has been concerned to this rankingl. If it is only 1 month, then there were almost no tournaments to be concerned to this ranking than Blizzcon. Then even how good and dominating they were before, their results hadnt had any influence on these rankings. Zest, who dominated last 3-4 months and considered as the best player, and soO, considered as most consistent player after reaching 4 GSL finals and as the best Zerg player at the moment, didnt play so good at Blizzcon. Zest played well but not so good as he used to be, like soO, who dissapointed more than Zest. So I mean I cant see any general same timeline for all players, almost all of them have different one, thats what i meant. It cant be Life ranked number #1 if it is about last 3-4 months, he delivered only on Blizzcon. If its almost only Blizzcon, then yes he deserves to be number 1, but Zest and soO wouldnt be so high.

Why do people think Zest and Soo played badly? They played Taeja and Life who were simply just playing even better. If they were on the other side of the bracket I GUARANTEE one of them would be in the finals and would have only lost to each other. The bracket was just unfairly stacked on one side.


If you wouldve seen soO playing in GSL before Finals, he was almost unstoppable, he couldve beaten Taeja easily in that form, Taeja was playing great and one of the best Terrans but he would ve not won so easily 3-1 vs soO in form. Zest played great, and Life aswell, but that was definetely not Zest, who beat Kespa Cup. I am not saying they played bad directly, I am saying they played not so good as they used to be, mostly soO. But its my opinion.
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ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
November 14 2014 20:54 GMT
#208
On November 15 2014 05:41 TsogiMaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2014 05:14 bourne117 wrote:
On November 15 2014 04:49 TsogiMaster wrote:
On November 15 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:
On November 15 2014 02:27 TsogiMaster wrote:
On November 15 2014 00:47 iamkaokao wrote:
I dont think MMA deserves this list , his region and opponents" tvt" doesnt prove that he is solid enough yet.. i can see many kespa players like maru , TY , flash , byong , soulkey dark stats rain beating him any given day in a long series ...


MMA will beat any of them easily in his best day.


This ranking makes any sense. I mean which factors played to this ranking? Life is #1, so i would think Blizzcon had a big impact on this ranking, because Life achieved anything/performed poorly last 2 moths(GSL not even in Code S),except his brilliant play on Blizzcon. Taeja aswell(WCS NA round of 16 only, and no markable tournaments in last 2-3months) If it is so, why is soO and Zest so up there? Being there means that their recently performances (GSL, Dreamhack, Kespa Cup) had surely influenced this ranking too. So why the hell is MMA and Bomber so lower ranked? Both won their WCS Season 3, and MMA winning Dreamhack Moscow, while Bomber winning RedBull Washington. They have to be placed higher if the perfromances from last tournamest should be considered. So these rankings all stand in contrast to each other and they make so sence how it is now. But well, it seems some people agree with these one,


This Power Rank weights performance at the WCS Global Finals very heavily. Although results in the past month were looked at in order to determine exact placing, the year's ultimate tournament takes precedence because of its magnitude, format and overall level of competition.
The Power Rank takes into account results, the difficulty of opponents faced, and how good a player looked - both in victory and defeat.


I kinda know that, what i mean is the time gap, that has been concerned to this rankingl. If it is only 1 month, then there were almost no tournaments to be concerned to this ranking than Blizzcon. Then even how good and dominating they were before, their results hadnt had any influence on these rankings. Zest, who dominated last 3-4 months and considered as the best player, and soO, considered as most consistent player after reaching 4 GSL finals and as the best Zerg player at the moment, didnt play so good at Blizzcon. Zest played well but not so good as he used to be, like soO, who dissapointed more than Zest. So I mean I cant see any general same timeline for all players, almost all of them have different one, thats what i meant. It cant be Life ranked number #1 if it is about last 3-4 months, he delivered only on Blizzcon. If its almost only Blizzcon, then yes he deserves to be number 1, but Zest and soO wouldnt be so high.

Why do people think Zest and Soo played badly? They played Taeja and Life who were simply just playing even better. If they were on the other side of the bracket I GUARANTEE one of them would be in the finals and would have only lost to each other. The bracket was just unfairly stacked on one side.


If you wouldve seen soO playing in GSL before Finals, he was almost unstoppable, he couldve beaten Taeja easily in that form, Taeja was playing great and one of the best Terrans but he would ve not won so easily 3-1 vs soO in form. Zest played great, and Life aswell, but that was definetely not Zest, who beat Kespa Cup. I am not saying they played bad directly, I am saying they played not so good as they used to be, mostly soO. But its my opinion.


What? SoO played just as well against Taeja than against Flash, he played almost flawlessly except that he kept attacking off creep and Taeja didn't let SoO fight him on creep.

MMA only beat Bomber because he was clearly off that day, MMA wouldn't stand a chance against most Kespa players.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
November 14 2014 23:40 GMT
#209
Top 5 all from the lower bracket... having a PR that's essentially based on a single tournament is kinda silly.
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Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
November 14 2014 23:58 GMT
#210
I would have swaped Taeja and Life.
stevethemacguy
Profile Joined September 2008
United States137 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-15 01:27:39
November 15 2014 01:25 GMT
#211
Having attended Blizzcon (ok, just the $30 WCS seats ), I can say two things:

1. Innovation got royally screwed by the delays. He actually looked physically sick in his booth. I actually left halfway through the series because I was so fed up with the delays (throughout the entire day). Innovation was broken at the start of the series. The power rank said it perfectly.

2. Watching Life vs Taeja was incredible. I've never felt more energy at an SC tournament than when Life won game 5; truly awesome! Once Life made it passed Taeja, we all knew MMA wouldn't stand a chance. A very well deserved victory indeed.
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-15 01:36:41
November 15 2014 01:35 GMT
#212
On November 15 2014 05:54 ANLProbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2014 05:41 TsogiMaster wrote:
On November 15 2014 05:14 bourne117 wrote:
On November 15 2014 04:49 TsogiMaster wrote:
On November 15 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:
On November 15 2014 02:27 TsogiMaster wrote:
On November 15 2014 00:47 iamkaokao wrote:
I dont think MMA deserves this list , his region and opponents" tvt" doesnt prove that he is solid enough yet.. i can see many kespa players like maru , TY , flash , byong , soulkey dark stats rain beating him any given day in a long series ...


MMA will beat any of them easily in his best day.


This ranking makes any sense. I mean which factors played to this ranking? Life is #1, so i would think Blizzcon had a big impact on this ranking, because Life achieved anything/performed poorly last 2 moths(GSL not even in Code S),except his brilliant play on Blizzcon. Taeja aswell(WCS NA round of 16 only, and no markable tournaments in last 2-3months) If it is so, why is soO and Zest so up there? Being there means that their recently performances (GSL, Dreamhack, Kespa Cup) had surely influenced this ranking too. So why the hell is MMA and Bomber so lower ranked? Both won their WCS Season 3, and MMA winning Dreamhack Moscow, while Bomber winning RedBull Washington. They have to be placed higher if the perfromances from last tournamest should be considered. So these rankings all stand in contrast to each other and they make so sence how it is now. But well, it seems some people agree with these one,


This Power Rank weights performance at the WCS Global Finals very heavily. Although results in the past month were looked at in order to determine exact placing, the year's ultimate tournament takes precedence because of its magnitude, format and overall level of competition.
The Power Rank takes into account results, the difficulty of opponents faced, and how good a player looked - both in victory and defeat.


I kinda know that, what i mean is the time gap, that has been concerned to this rankingl. If it is only 1 month, then there were almost no tournaments to be concerned to this ranking than Blizzcon. Then even how good and dominating they were before, their results hadnt had any influence on these rankings. Zest, who dominated last 3-4 months and considered as the best player, and soO, considered as most consistent player after reaching 4 GSL finals and as the best Zerg player at the moment, didnt play so good at Blizzcon. Zest played well but not so good as he used to be, like soO, who dissapointed more than Zest. So I mean I cant see any general same timeline for all players, almost all of them have different one, thats what i meant. It cant be Life ranked number #1 if it is about last 3-4 months, he delivered only on Blizzcon. If its almost only Blizzcon, then yes he deserves to be number 1, but Zest and soO wouldnt be so high.

Why do people think Zest and Soo played badly? They played Taeja and Life who were simply just playing even better. If they were on the other side of the bracket I GUARANTEE one of them would be in the finals and would have only lost to each other. The bracket was just unfairly stacked on one side.


If you wouldve seen soO playing in GSL before Finals, he was almost unstoppable, he couldve beaten Taeja easily in that form, Taeja was playing great and one of the best Terrans but he would ve not won so easily 3-1 vs soO in form. Zest played great, and Life aswell, but that was definetely not Zest, who beat Kespa Cup. I am not saying they played bad directly, I am saying they played not so good as they used to be, mostly soO. But its my opinion.


What? SoO played just as well against Taeja than against Flash, he played almost flawlessly except that he kept attacking off creep and Taeja didn't let SoO fight him on creep.

MMA only beat Bomber because he was clearly off that day, MMA wouldn't stand a chance against most Kespa players.


eh this "Kespa player" thing is misleading because it implies all the kespa teams are even right now. The top players right now are mostly from SKT and KT and a few are "foreign" Koreans like Taeja and Bomber. The other Kespa teams have successful players from time to time like Cure, sOs, Life, but SKT and KT are above the other Kespa teams right now.

so yeah, MMA would probably beat most Prime players, or maybe Samsung if you want to get really technical and only look at old Kespa.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
November 15 2014 03:21 GMT
#213
AKA who did well at Blizzcon rank
Entropy137
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada215 Posts
November 15 2014 03:25 GMT
#214
that zealous love for life
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-15 03:47:22
November 15 2014 03:41 GMT
#215
The discrepancy between MMA's, Life's, and Taeja's rank (which has been explained and makes perfect sense) highlights an issue I see with this power ranking.

What's its goal? Is it merely to assess the latest statistics, serve as an aggregate across several months of tournaments and tie the resulting numbers up with a personalized bow? Or is it to have predictive power, to analyze the content of games and say "this player might have won the entire tournament, but he used cheesy units to do it which are getting nerfed in the next patch, and he's going to disappear and everyone will forget about him the moment that happens"? How much should the rank favor long-term trends outside of its own 1-2 month window?

It's hard to imagine that any player not named Zest would have even made the top 10, never mind gotten #4, with his results from October and November (to wit: wins against Classic and PiG, an even 1-1 versus Trap, and losses against Life, Solar, Rain, and Sora... an extraordinarily mediocre month and a half). So from this we conclude that past results do matter. But that does nothing to explain the conspicuous absence of Maru from September's power rank, when the fact that he was the only Korean Terran who mattered for nearly a year should have awarded him months and months of leeway. MMA getting sixth, and the long explanation that accompanies this "low" spot on the rank, suggests that recent results are weighed very, very heavily -- no predictive analyst would look at Blizzcon and conclude that MMA is a top 6 player going into 2015 s1 Code A, much less Code S. But Taeja and INnoVation getting higher spots than MMA suggests the opposite, that in fact context matters and the unambiguous non-flukeyeness of their success is reason to expect great things in the future.

That and the OP's "The Power Rank takes into account both results, the difficulty of opponents faced, and how good a player looked - both in victory and defeat" suggests this power ranking wants to be everything at the same time. Reward some long-term trends, make sure the recent champions are all represented regardless of how they played, have some predictive power but don't focus on that exclusively... it's a hodgepodge. I'm not saying this because I have a better solution, I'm just offering it up as an explanation of why some people come away dissatisfied. There is no single consistent goal, and the top 10 reflects that.

My power rank probably wouldn't be any better (even by my own measure). It might not even be that different. This is just food for thought. I enjoy reading these, and agree in spirit with keeping Zest on, placing MMA as low as is reasonably possible, and taking INnoVation's ro8 defeat in stride because that day was just absurd.
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meenamjah
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada51 Posts
November 15 2014 14:59 GMT
#216
Blizzcon is a bit of a joke of a tournament. Not even close to the top competition. That's sad, really.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 15 2014 15:00 GMT
#217
On November 15 2014 23:59 meenamjah wrote:
Blizzcon is a bit of a joke of a tournament. Not even close to the top competition. That's sad, really.

Yeah, all 4 GSL finalists, TaeJa, and every WCS region winner except Pigbaby is so bad
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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
November 15 2014 15:03 GMT
#218
On November 15 2014 23:59 meenamjah wrote:
Blizzcon is a bit of a joke of a tournament. Not even close to the top competition. That's sad, really.

At least there were no foreigners!
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 15 2014 15:03 GMT
#219
On November 15 2014 23:59 meenamjah wrote:
Blizzcon is a bit of a joke of a tournament. Not even close to the top competition. That's sad, really.


It's so low-tier that all of this year's GSL champions lost before the finals. If only they cared about the $100.000 pay check they might have played seriously!
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YurnerotheJuggernaut
Profile Joined November 2014
Faroe Islands65 Posts
November 16 2014 17:39 GMT
#220
TaeJa is a very, very good player + Show Spoiler +
for someone who isn't Flash
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 16 2014 17:41 GMT
#221
something something taeja wow what a joke pr
CrayonPopChoa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada761 Posts
November 16 2014 17:44 GMT
#222
TL writers are biased as fuck, Flash not even in top 10? LOL
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 16 2014 17:45 GMT
#223
Byul should be #1.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 16 2014 17:46 GMT
#224
On November 17 2014 02:45 royalroadweed wrote:
Byul should be #1.


Coach park is such a god.
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
November 17 2014 03:10 GMT
#225
Flash has 1 good match up.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10115 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 06:54:07
November 17 2014 06:52 GMT
#226
On November 17 2014 02:44 CrayonPopChoa wrote:
TL writers are biased as fuck, Flash not even in top 10? LOL

Yeah man, i feel for you, i don't understand why on the before and after blizzcon power ranks they didn't put Flash.

Afterall, It is not like he did not play on them or something.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
November 17 2014 14:10 GMT
#227
On November 16 2014 00:03 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2014 23:59 meenamjah wrote:
Blizzcon is a bit of a joke of a tournament. Not even close to the top competition. That's sad, really.


It's so low-tier that all of this year's GSL champions lost before the finals. If only they cared about the $100.000 pay check they might have played seriously!


Because this tournament doesn't have a loser's bracket, there's going to be a good deal more variance in the results. So I think too much weight was placed on Blizzcon results in these rankings.

Also, did you do the ranking? Do you really think that Life is the best player overall at the moment? I realize he won blizzcon and that should count for a lot, but Life is here instead of someone like Soulkey because he gets sent to foreign tournaments, not because he's the best Zerg in Korea.

Also putting someone like MMA in this ranking is a bit absurd. If he were playing solely in Korea what odds would you give him of making it to Blizzcon -- 1 in 20, 1 in 50?

Taeja is very good but again, he benefits so much from participating in foreign tournaments that it's hard to say exactly how good he is. Power rank should be split into two rankings -- one for Korean-Koreans and one for everyone else.
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TurboMaN
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany925 Posts
November 17 2014 15:09 GMT
#228
On November 17 2014 12:10 Kiarip wrote:
Flash has 1 good match up.


I didn't know that TvZ and TvT is the same matchup. Thanks to for clearing it up.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
November 17 2014 23:25 GMT
#229
On November 17 2014 23:10 The_Darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2014 00:03 Zealously wrote:
On November 15 2014 23:59 meenamjah wrote:
Blizzcon is a bit of a joke of a tournament. Not even close to the top competition. That's sad, really.


It's so low-tier that all of this year's GSL champions lost before the finals. If only they cared about the $100.000 pay check they might have played seriously!


Because this tournament doesn't have a loser's bracket, there's going to be a good deal more variance in the results. So I think too much weight was placed on Blizzcon results in these rankings.

Also, did you do the ranking? Do you really think that Life is the best player overall at the moment? I realize he won blizzcon and that should count for a lot, but Life is here instead of someone like Soulkey because he gets sent to foreign tournaments, not because he's the best Zerg in Korea.

Also putting someone like MMA in this ranking is a bit absurd. If he were playing solely in Korea what odds would you give him of making it to Blizzcon -- 1 in 20, 1 in 50?

Taeja is very good but again, he benefits so much from participating in foreign tournaments that it's hard to say exactly how good he is. Power rank should be split into two rankings -- one for Korean-Koreans and one for everyone else.

Actually it's fairly simple - TaeJa is extremely/godly good. But GSL format does not serve him well, he definitely is stronger in weekend tournaments. So I'd say it's easier for him to play to his advantage rather than to his opponents weakness.

At BlizzCon MMA did beat Classic, reigning WCS AM champion and previous WCS EU champion. While it's hard also for me to believe it, MMA is back to being very strong player - just not the one we knew at the end of 2011.

I agree with Life assessment - I just don't know what Soulkey is doing there :O
viperattack999
Profile Joined July 2014
Canada32 Posts
November 29 2014 21:16 GMT
#230
I'd like more consistency in the ranking. A three month rolling average would be nice. The write-ups come across as "try-hard" instead of letting the players work speak for itself.

Lines like this "The Liquid Terran is a monster in tournaments where instincts, composure and mechanics play a larger role than preparation. He excels in turning chaos into his order" make E-sports seem childish and not serious. "Chaos into order?"

Can you imagine this being said about Tiger woods, Michael Jordan or Peyton Manning? No. They're not gods or mythical legends, they're human beings who play sports exceptionally well. These guys work their asses off to be the best, yes they have crazy amounts of talent but their attitudes is what makes them the best.

More talk of Life re-dedicating himself to the game and now seeing that commitment pay-off would be both more realistic and helpful to aspiring gamers and fans than comic book, over the top language.

A little more realism would be nice.
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