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On November 13 2014 19:30 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2014 17:11 cpower wrote:On November 13 2014 10:02 Jazzman88 wrote:On November 13 2014 08:30 ZAiNs wrote:On November 13 2014 08:25 Jazzman88 wrote:On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't. Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere. The tournament was so prestigious and so important to the players that they would pull no punches and spare no expenses to win their matches. Similar to The International for Dota2 and Worlds for LoL in that regard. Questioning the validity of the tournament's line-up after all three of this year's champions and the four-time finalist were all taken out by players either in Code B or not playing in the GSL seems more funky than anything. But Zealously, Rain is actually the best player in the world, Artosis said so, and it's just not fair that WCS KR points don't count for more than winning the most stacked tournament of the year by beating arguably 3 of the top 5 players on the planet. Are you really calling Blizzcon the most stacked tournament of the year? With all of the GSL finalists from this year there? With Taeja (11 premier titles) there? Bomber fresh off a title? MMA ditto? Absolutely. not quite. life only played 2 code S level players in Zest and Taeja. In order to win gsl , you will at least beat 4 of them. Winning gsl is still a lot harder than winning blizzcon unless its a GSL with half of the top players being oversea, like this year. And Blizzcon was basically the tournament were those 2 divided regions that seldom played against each other really clashed, so Code S players could have proven that Code S actually meant they are the best. But it doesn't matter really, since there is a region lock next year. And GSL will be back in full.
"half the top players" , ok i am curious, who are these players you are speaking of?
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On November 13 2014 08:21 Dwayn wrote:
MMA doesn't belong in any top 10.
Get lost sir.
I just cannot believe the lack of respect in general for MMA despite his accomplishments against the so called Korea region or Kespa players even. I don't say he is the best player or anything ridiculous of that sort but this run of his is a huge accomplishment for any relevant player. If the list is weighed heavily on blizzcon results then what the hell are zest and soo doing up there?
I feel we are heavily confusing between who we think are solid/beastly players overall while looking at their play and who should be good or bad depending on their result in a particular tournamentwhich is blizzcon in this case.
As an MMA fan I am proud of what he has achieved and how far he has come after being written off by everybody. No player in sc2 had fallen as hard as he did and has come back as strongly as has in a totally different era. Looking back there are almost no players of his time around except Bomber, DRG and probably Polt. And still he is there standing tall demolishing claims and proving his worth, while all we can do is scoff if he should be #6 or lower/higher.
Are we just a bunch of fanboys grumbling because their player didn't win or didn't get enough recognition for it? Or we can look at the greater picture and respect everybody who puts everything on the line in order to pursue their respective dreams. All players might not win titles despite being good enough to do so, but all players can win respect and the hearts of people watching them and make new fans for themselves and show their passion and dedication. I sometimes feel all of us have forgotten most of this.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
Putting Life at #1 does feel a little bit like putting Cilic at #1 for beating Federer at the US Open and going on to win it.
I can't quite bring myself to think that Life is a better player than Taeja/Zest overall, even if he was godly for Blizzcon.
I guess given the transitory nature of Power Ranks, I'll begrudgingly let Zealously have his moment. For now.
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Maybe if Life wins the Hot6ix Cup he will be considered the best player in the world for me
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the fact that so many things on this PR, especially Life and MMA, are being argued over means that it is generally controversial. the previous one with rain, flash and zest was okay-ish, and i guess you could say that it was generally 'correct'.
just like sos i predict life to fall off. the kinds of players that win a weekend tournament, for some reason, do not perform well over the long run in korea.
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On November 13 2014 20:52 shadymmj wrote:
the fact that so many things on this PR, especially Life and MMA, are being argued over means that it is generally controversial. the previous one with rain, flash and zest was okay-ish, and i guess you could say that it was generally 'correct'.
just like sos i predict life to fall off. the kinds of players that win a weekend tournament, for some reason, do not perform well over the long run in korea.
Ähm, you know, that Life is a GSL Royal Roader?
On November 13 2014 19:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2014 19:30 FeyFey wrote:On November 13 2014 17:11 cpower wrote:On November 13 2014 10:02 Jazzman88 wrote:On November 13 2014 08:30 ZAiNs wrote:On November 13 2014 08:25 Jazzman88 wrote:On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't. Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere. The tournament was so prestigious and so important to the players that they would pull no punches and spare no expenses to win their matches. Similar to The International for Dota2 and Worlds for LoL in that regard. Questioning the validity of the tournament's line-up after all three of this year's champions and the four-time finalist were all taken out by players either in Code B or not playing in the GSL seems more funky than anything. But Zealously, Rain is actually the best player in the world, Artosis said so, and it's just not fair that WCS KR points don't count for more than winning the most stacked tournament of the year by beating arguably 3 of the top 5 players on the planet. Are you really calling Blizzcon the most stacked tournament of the year? With all of the GSL finalists from this year there? With Taeja (11 premier titles) there? Bomber fresh off a title? MMA ditto? Absolutely. not quite. life only played 2 code S level players in Zest and Taeja. In order to win gsl , you will at least beat 4 of them. Winning gsl is still a lot harder than winning blizzcon unless its a GSL with half of the top players being oversea, like this year. And Blizzcon was basically the tournament were those 2 divided regions that seldom played against each other really clashed, so Code S players could have proven that Code S actually meant they are the best. But it doesn't matter really, since there is a region lock next year. And GSL will be back in full. "half the top players" , ok i am curious, who are these players you are speaking of?
Half is probably a bit to much, but I think his point is clear: For the last 2 years, GSL wasn't "complete" and shortly it will become complete again, which is something to get exited about.
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On November 13 2014 21:02 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2014 20:52 shadymmj wrote:
the fact that so many things on this PR, especially Life and MMA, are being argued over means that it is generally controversial. the previous one with rain, flash and zest was okay-ish, and i guess you could say that it was generally 'correct'.
just like sos i predict life to fall off. the kinds of players that win a weekend tournament, for some reason, do not perform well over the long run in korea. Ähm, you know, that Life is a GSL Royal Roader? Show nested quote +On November 13 2014 19:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 13 2014 19:30 FeyFey wrote:On November 13 2014 17:11 cpower wrote:On November 13 2014 10:02 Jazzman88 wrote:On November 13 2014 08:30 ZAiNs wrote:On November 13 2014 08:25 Jazzman88 wrote:On November 13 2014 07:17 Zealously wrote:On November 13 2014 07:14 Yonnua wrote:
Why was Blizzcon weighted so heavily? There were only 6 WCS KR players at the tournament, so it's hardly representative of the highest levels of skill in the scene. Given that 4 of last months top 10 weren't even at the tournament, it just seems like a really contrived and unnecessary way to say Life is the best player in the world when he almost certainly isn't. Same reason people count the Olympics as the most important event in so many sports even though you might find events with a higher level elsewhere. The tournament was so prestigious and so important to the players that they would pull no punches and spare no expenses to win their matches. Similar to The International for Dota2 and Worlds for LoL in that regard. Questioning the validity of the tournament's line-up after all three of this year's champions and the four-time finalist were all taken out by players either in Code B or not playing in the GSL seems more funky than anything. But Zealously, Rain is actually the best player in the world, Artosis said so, and it's just not fair that WCS KR points don't count for more than winning the most stacked tournament of the year by beating arguably 3 of the top 5 players on the planet. Are you really calling Blizzcon the most stacked tournament of the year? With all of the GSL finalists from this year there? With Taeja (11 premier titles) there? Bomber fresh off a title? MMA ditto? Absolutely. not quite. life only played 2 code S level players in Zest and Taeja. In order to win gsl , you will at least beat 4 of them. Winning gsl is still a lot harder than winning blizzcon unless its a GSL with half of the top players being oversea, like this year. And Blizzcon was basically the tournament were those 2 divided regions that seldom played against each other really clashed, so Code S players could have proven that Code S actually meant they are the best. But it doesn't matter really, since there is a region lock next year. And GSL will be back in full. "half the top players" , ok i am curious, who are these players you are speaking of? Half is probably a bit to much, but I think his point is clear: For the last 2 years, GSL wasn't "complete" and shortly it will become complete again, which is something to get exited about.
Yeah there are certainly players who can compete in Code S, but not really anyone who would win it tbh (maybe taeja, but that is a big maybe considering he never won a gsl or even WCS event)
So yeah, i am not sure if it will have that big of an impact tbh, at least for the playoff rounds.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.
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i saw the battle between taeja and life... it was on a completely different level from MMA vs life. in MMA vs life, life felt in control.
but in taeja vs life... it was like as if a higher power wanted life to win, taeja just couldnt cut the mustard
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On November 13 2014 21:12 Zealously wrote:
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.
Cause he never won a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent?
Taeja is a great player, one of the best the game has seen for sure, but he still lacks a GSL title (or even wcs one).
Next year he will have the chance to win one (with the new spotv league even more than ever) 
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your Country52798 Posts
On November 13 2014 21:12 Zealously wrote:
I wonder why we still dismiss Taeja when he beat last season's finalists in the same format as the GSL playoffs.
They even had a bunch of time to prepare for him.
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On November 13 2014 20:44 marvellosity wrote:
Putting Life at #1 does feel a little bit like putting Cilic at #1 for beating Federer at the US Open and going on to win it.
I can't quite bring myself to think that Life is a better player than Taeja/Zest overall, even if he was godly for Blizzcon.
I guess given the transitory nature of Power Ranks, I'll begrudgingly let Zealously have his moment. For now.
Terrible comparison. As there are 4 major Grand Slams.
Compare it to the World Series or Super Bowl or UEFA Champions League.
Are the Giants not the best team in Baseball for 2014? Are the Seahawks (from last year) not the best team in the NFL for 2013? Real Madrid is the best team from 2013-2014 UEFA.
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I think this ranking is pretty well spot on. There are always going to be spots where you feel different in your personal view. I myself enjoy the power rankings and look forward to more.
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I like how soO´s highest ever placement is rank 2 :D:D:D
BTW i strongly disagree with Life being number 1. The writer himself concluded that MMA probably is not that strong and neither is San. So Life went Rank 1 by beating Zest and cheesing the shit out of Taeja? If we judge power rank like this we could just take the placements at Blizzcon and translate them 1:1 to the power rank 
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Belgica34432 Posts
No bias at all 
Life shouldn't even be in the top 10
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Poland3769 Posts
On November 13 2014 20:20 ValM wrote:
As an MMA fan I am proud of what he has achieved and how far he has come after being written off by everybody. No player in sc2 had fallen as hard as he did and has come back as strongly as has in a totally different era. Looking back there are almost no players of his time around except Bomber, DRG and probably Polt. And still he is there standing tall demolishing claims and proving his worth, while all we can do is scoff if he should be #6 or lower/higher.
MC? jjakji won GSL right after MMA. Also San - he was 2 times GSL semifinalists in 2011. Taeja was active even though he wasn't really present in top tier competition at the time. Obviously KeSPA players were playing Brood War at the time so it's a bit hard to say they were or weren't around at the time. Stardust and HyuN were KeSPA players and switched to SC2 only later on. Of the 16 players playing at BlizzCon only Life (and maybe TaeJa) really arrived after MMA. It's actually interesting that for 2014 in top 16 there are no really new players.
But true - MMA has fallen the most of all of them only to climb back. The problem is that in 2011 his style - between mech heavy Mvp and bio heavy MarineKing - was almost eclectic and deadly effective, he was able to almost literally tear opponent apart. MMA of today, even in championship contender form, is unable to reproduce such form.
On November 13 2014 21:55 catabowl wrote:
Are the Giants not the best team in Baseball for 2014? Are the Seahawks (from last year) not the best team in the NFL for 2013? Real Madrid is the best team from 2013-2014 UEFA.
Real Madrid maybe won Champions League, but I wouldn't call them best in Europe
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it's crazy how ppl still argue about some rankings, but one thing is sure though: Life is #1 and he truly deserves it
who cares about the other rankings anyways, right?
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Well the reason I think Life is #1 because even though Taeja, Bomber and whatnot won more tournaments this year, Life made more money winning Blizzcon, so his ability to win on the biggest stage under the brightest lights vaults him to the top of the Power Rankings and to #4 in SC2 earners.
Does the money count toward anything??
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Places MMA after #2 of WCS and #1 of WCS EU and winning vs GSL champion on "WCS Powerrank" #6.
Especially lower than overrated Innovation and a Zest who was a total utter complete failure in WCS.
Good job, Zealously!
*tactical facepalm*
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