EPTAs a CEO, this is very unprofessional behaviour.
Robert Ohlen removed as DreamHack CEO [Updated] - Page 12
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
As a CEO, this is very unprofessional behaviour. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On October 27 2014 00:41 SC2Toastie wrote: I loved Ohlén as a person and as a personality. As a ex- CEO, this is very unprofessional behaviour. fixed | ||
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
On a side note: I was in the front row of DH:sthlm and Robert was not the one opening Solar's champagne. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On October 27 2014 00:24 PassiveAce wrote: lol sick tweet No lie when I read it the first time I totally forgot how little of a fuck this guy had to have given to tweet it out given his position. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
Truth. Honor. etc. dont exist Of course they do. Just not in Dreamhack.It's a tournament where a Hearthstone cheater was not disqualified but rewarded with the first place, after all. I hope after the CEO change such things won't happen again. User was warned for this post | ||
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Kenobii
Canada35 Posts
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
On October 27 2014 01:43 Sejanus wrote: Of course they do. Just not in Dreamhack.It's a tournament where a Hearthstone cheater was not disqualified but rewarded with the first place, after all. I hope after the CEO change such things won't happen again. rofl | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On October 27 2014 01:43 Sejanus wrote: Of course they do. Just not in Dreamhack.It's a tournament where a Hearthstone cheater was not disqualified but rewarded with the first place, after all. I hope after the CEO change such things won't happen again. He would've been DQd if needed. I assume you talk about the message RDU received during the match - and turns out, the message didn't influence his play. Even Amaz (his opponent) agreed to that and said he clearly isn't a cheater. Stick to facts. You may like or dislike that Ohlen-dude, but making up "facts" doesn't add to a discussion. edit: obviously it was retarded to not wipe the friendlists first. But receiving messages midgame while being streamed is kinda obviously not cheating. The whole point of cheating is not getting caught, hard to pull off on stream and stage. | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
dumb speculation / judgement about someone that people don't personally know, regarding something that happened entirely behind the scenes. Mods should lock this thread until some legit information comes out. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
and turns out, the message didn't influence his play. Even Amaz (his opponent) agreed to that and said he clearly isn't a cheater. "Cheating didn't influence his play", or "opponent agreed" are excuses no serious tournament even bothers to consider. It's laughable someone is even mentioning them with a straight face. Things like this do not happen in serious tournaments, and if something remotely close happens, bans and suspends are handed out immediately. At the very least, matches are replayed, if the shit that happened was really not a participants fault. But Dreamhack handled the situation like some amateurs to put it mildly. Out of fear to be sued, no less. I hope the next CEO will have guts to stand against cheating. | ||
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Bibu
Russian Federation163 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On October 27 2014 02:13 Sejanus wrote: "Cheating didn't influence his play", or "opponent agreed" are excuses no serious tournament even bothers to consider. It's laughable someone is even mentioning them with a straight face. Things like this do not happen in serious tournaments, and if something remotely close happens, bans and suspends are handed immediately. At the very least, matches are replayed, if the shit that happened was really not a participants fault. But Dreamhack handled the situation like some amateurs to put it mildly. Out of fear to be sued, no less. I hope the next CEO is going to have more guts to stand against cheating. Wanna bet if Amaz would've pressed for a rematch, he would've got it? You miss the point where he himself said: "he isn't cheating". Nobody cares about your opinion, all that matters is RDU and his opponent in that matter. And, to make it crystal clear: Amaz admitted defeat regardless. To quote him: "RDU is definitely not cheating, he's not cheating," he said. I take his opinion over yours any day. Not because he's a community figure, but he can actually estimate if something did damage to his match. Not to mention that the CEO doesn't do the decision anyway, it's the admins - so your point is not just wrong but pointless anyway. edit: lol, looks like artosis has an opinion on that too + Show Spoiler + The disgusting and corrupt Hearthstone reddit removed my post, supported by every progamer, about RDU's DreamHack win. Here it is: About what happened... RDU was messaged about a 2 cards in Amazs hand during game 2 of the DreamHack finals. This was greatly discussed amongst all of the top pros, and not one thinks he cheated. The game was already over. The information had no chance of helping RDU, because he was definitely going to win no matter what at that point. RDU looked very upset when this happened, and we even saw him call over an admin immediately after the game. theres some stupid theories going around about hi mom meaning leeroy jenkins or something. ive done more esports events than probably anyone in the world, and i can tell you definitively that hi mom is exactly what every single ass who messages someone during a stream says. the fact that more than one person messaged him shows that he didnt cheat even more. you dont set up a cheating circle with multiple people, its 100x more likely to come out. please discontinue this ridiculous hatred of young and talented 17 year old kid who had idiots no his friends list. source: his facebook | ||
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Garemie
United States248 Posts
On October 26 2014 05:52 Canucklehead wrote: It's ironic DreamHack always had that whole happy go lucky family reputation while mlg was portrayed as more corporate. I guess it was all a facade and there's as much infighting there as on moba teams. Chanman needs to come out of retirement and host a special unfiltered with Robert on it! I second this, come back Chanman! | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10307 Posts
Robert (CEO of Dreamhack?) has been removed/Fired as CEO and being replaced by "X(?)" and... then what? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46686 Posts
On October 26 2014 23:02 Hider wrote: Greedy company = Investors wants to maximize their return ???? Sounds like investors assessed that Robert Ohlen wasn't very competent at his job since Dreamhack isn't a charity organization. Him going on public talkshows being really wasted makes it somewhat apparent that his judgements isn't very good. Him making a lot of angry tweets instead of more logical explanations doesn't benefit his cause either. If your mad and feel like you need to tell the public you have been mistreated, why not make a more elaborate explanation. If he really can't keep his head cool here, then I also find it unlikely that is the right man for the job as a CEO. I agree with this. We should wait for a more professional elaboration from an involved party and not jump to pass judgment over whether or not firing him was the *right* thing to do... but still, he's clearly handling this unprofessionally. I can't imagine that the whole "fuck everyone" attitude is the best way to portray his position; burning bridges and coming off as a lunatic and all that jazz. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On October 27 2014 02:45 SmoKim wrote: I'm confused, what is going on here? Robert (CEO of Dreamhack?) has been removed/Fired as CEO and being replaced by "X(?)" and... then what? Nothing. That's it. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On October 26 2014 22:18 Kreb wrote: Hes obviously looking for some reaction or backlash onto Dreamhack ("May it die an ignoble death"). If he wanted that to happen, explaining why sacking him calmly and collectedly was a bad choice and how much good hes done etc etc would maybe actually cause such a reacion or backlash. Now though.... "Why uphold standards of dignity?". Because they're standards of dignity. You, me, your friends and everyone else here uphold them 24/7 every day in just about every interaction between ourselves and others. We dont think about it, but we do. i took the tweet to mean that he would be happy if bad things happen to DH; he didn't tell you or anyone else to bomb DH or something ... i'd wish bad things to happen to entities that screwed me over too(based on my own subjectivity ofc). and why are you even talking about standards, when you know there aren't any: you expect different things from different people based on their social status, job position, function etcetc. just remember, we're not talking about ones humanity here but about some righteous social etiquette that if not present, just but-hurts people. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On October 27 2014 03:17 xM(Z wrote: i took the tweet to mean that he would be happy if bad things happen to DH; he didn't tell you or anyone else to bomb DH or something ... i'd wish bad things to happen to entities that screwed me over too(based on my own subjectivity ofc). and why are you even talking about standards, when you know there aren't any: you expect different things from different people based on their social status, job position, function etcetc. just remember, we're not talking about ones humanity here but about some righteous social etiquette that if not present, just but-hurts people. Making a tweet is equivalent to making a public statement these days. So saying that he wishes DH's death on twitter basically equals saying us to support and him and that DH is an atrocious company. And I think everyone expects from a CEO to react in a calm and controlled way. At least that's some qualities a good CEO should have. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
Robert is a passionate CEO. He is running the company. He is also, like nearly every C-level executive I've ever met in every industry (and this includes billion dollar companies), is somewhat authoritarian in demeanor, firm in his convictions, and willing to offend to get things done. (To be frank, a bit of an a-hole. Charming to be sure, but willing to be rude or even insulting to get things done.) At some point, he and another individual within Dreamhack had a disagreement. By virtue of "I'm the CEO, deal with it" - Robert got his way. It could have been anything from "We'd rather not run StarCraft II" to "I think we should go with cheaper champagne" to "Let's go out for drinks." Anything at all. Alternately, it could have been nothing. It could just be someone in the company that wants to be CEO, because there lies the power and money and limo rides with Geoff Robinson (truly, glorious treasure to seek). So, for whatever reason, some behind the scenes business maneuvering happens. The board votes Robert out, and a new CEO in. Since this CEO is an internal hire, I'm guessing this is not an overnight decision - and that it's been coming. But, you don't tell Robert that. So Robert, who has been pouring his passion into Dreamhack, suddenly finds out that the board has turned against him and decided someone else should run things. Of course it's going to be upsetting, and he'll be angry. You don't get to be a CEO of any company without being willing to say unpleasant things. So he does. Is it applicable to how he was removed? We don't know. Could Robert have instead said he was "taking time off to be with his family" or similar excuse? Maybe. Then again, a lot of times CEOs leave (or are fired) in a different way, with various things (like severances) tied to toeing the party line on the separation. People that would like to wait for more information - kudos. A sensible idea, however I am 99.9% certain that we will never know exactly what it was that caused the sudden firing of Robert Ohlen from the point of view of objective, indisputable fact. My opinion is irrelevant - it's a done deal. But you can bet I will be watching to see what Dreamhack does as an organization, how their events are run (for Starcraft II - I don't care about the dotos and others), and if their level of performance stays at their current level. Best wishes to the new CEO (that will have to deal with all of this), even if s/he is the one behind the firing. Best wishes to Robert Ohlen, who has proven himself (via the performance of Dreamhack) to be a competent CEO and, like the guy at T-Mobile (not an actor, surprisingly), has proven popular with a lot of customers. And best wishes to Dreamhack - don't fuck it up going forward. PS. Adebisi next CEO?? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46686 Posts
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