upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. would you like him more?. what good would that do him?; but hey, as long as he fits your standards ...
I don't know, getting hired by other companies? He's not an idra who gets hired for his behaviour to expose stuff. As an employer you'd think twice to employ somebody who throws a tantrum if something doesn't go his way.
Am i the only one who cringed while reading his tweet about how he makes his own laws n stuff? That "rebelstuff" was cool when i was 15, nowadays it's so incredibly lame.
edit: and please don't compare DH with HSC. It's not even in the same world, in regards to "seriousness".
No, you're not the only one. But apparently the simple fact of being fired gives you the right to shit hard on your ex-company without shocking anyone, because for some people that's a normal and totally reasonable thing to do it seems Also concerning the champagne ceremony, don't let TaeJa's atrocious ceremonies overshadow the ones that were actually good (Solar/Sacsri iirc)
On July 20 2014 09:01 Circumstance wrote: You're being too harsh on him.
Sacsri had never even been to Dreamhack before, much less won it, and he told Smix he hadn't even touched a bottle of champagne in his life before, yet he got the bottle open and spraying. That is bonjwa level of champagne mastery.
On October 26 2014 22:04 plogamer wrote: Funny in a really really sad way.
@Saechiis
Completely unrelated you say?
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
Here is laidback but with less lame.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
lol. are you for real?
I can see that folks like yourself here really care about tournament organizers putting on a good show. No let's keep things mediocre instead. Because why so serious, amirite?
whatever you say. though I am pretty sure you are in the minority here. by a lot.
What's your point? You think TL posters represent the majority of SC2 audience? It's my 2 cents, if you disagree, you can explain. If you don't care to explain, then don't insult people who post their thoughts and opinions.
Yes. I am about 90% certain of that.
And you may explain why you think that opening a bottle of champagne is humiliating for the winner.
Way to twist words. Failing to open/handle a bottle of champagne in front of a live crowd and online audience. That's what's so cringe-worthy.
way to grasp for straws... we KNOW he is in front of a crowd. because of the context. and because winners on a lan tournament usually are.
On October 26 2014 22:41 whereismymind wrote: he is acting like a kid now after being sacked.. probably he was sacked unfair, or not.. you know how ego and arrogance clashes after you have power.. but this scene perfectly explains that adults actuallly never grow up.
To be fair, few people would be in their right mind after being fired by their own company and life project.
Depends. For that to be a decent argument, we'd need to know if he was sacked because DH is a greedy company and did him wrong, or if he got sacked because he fucked up.
Greedy company = Investors wants to maximize their return ????
Sounds like investors assessed that Robert Ohlen wasn't very competent at his job since Dreamhack isn't a charity organization. Him going on public talkshows being really wasted makes it somewhat apparent that his judgements isn't very good. Him making a lot of angry tweets instead of more logical explanations doesn't benefit his cause either. If your mad and feel like you need to tell the public you have been mistreated, why not make a more elaborate explanation.
If he really can't keep his head cool here, then I also find it unlikely that is the right man for the job as a CEO.
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. would you like him more?. what good would that do him?; but hey, as long as he fits your standards ...
I don't know, getting hired by other companies? He's not an idra who gets hired for his behaviour to expose stuff. As an employer you'd think twice to employ somebody who throws a tantrum if something doesn't go his way.
Am i the only one who cringed while reading his tweet about how he makes his own laws n stuff? That "rebelstuff" was cool when i was 15, nowadays it's so incredibly lame.
edit: and please don't compare DH with HSC. It's not even in the same world, in regards to "seriousness".
No, you're not the only one. But apparently the simple fact of being fired gives you the right to shit hard on your ex-company without shocking anyone, because for some people that's a normal and totally reasonable thing to do it seems Also concerning the champagne ceremony, don't let TaeJa's atrocious ceremonies overshadow the ones that were actually good (Solar/Sacsri iirc)
On July 20 2014 09:01 Circumstance wrote: You're being too harsh on him.
Sacsri had never even been to Dreamhack before, much less won it, and he told Smix he hadn't even touched a bottle of champagne in his life before, yet he got the bottle open and spraying. That is bonjwa level of champagne mastery.
Just by luck, not preparation.
On October 26 2014 22:49 Doublemint wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:41 plogamer wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:30 Doublemint wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:28 plogamer wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:21 Doublemint wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:18 plogamer wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:10 boxerfred wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:04 plogamer wrote: Funny in a really really sad way.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
lol. are you for real?
I can see that folks like yourself here really care about tournament organizers putting on a good show. No let's keep things mediocre instead. Because why so serious, amirite?
whatever you say. though I am pretty sure you are in the minority here. by a lot.
What's your point? You think TL posters represent the majority of SC2 audience? It's my 2 cents, if you disagree, you can explain. If you don't care to explain, then don't insult people who post their thoughts and opinions.
Yes. I am about 90% certain of that.
And you may explain why you think that opening a bottle of champagne is humiliating for the winner.
Way to twist words. Failing to open/handle a bottle of champagne in front of a live crowd and online audience. That's what's so cringe-worthy.
Failing? Not everybody is failing to open it.
Hmm Solar was good then? I remember a Korean winning DH and the LR exploding when seeing the amount of mastery with which he did the champagne ceremony, not sure whom
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. would you like him more?. what good would that do him?; but hey, as long as he fits your standards ...
I don't know, getting hired by other companies? He's not an idra who gets hired for his behaviour to expose stuff. As an employer you'd think twice to employ somebody who throws a tantrum if something doesn't go his way.
Am i the only one who cringed while reading his tweet about how he makes his own laws n stuff? That "rebelstuff" was cool when i was 15, nowadays it's so incredibly lame.
edit: and please don't compare DH with HSC. It's not even in the same world, in regards to "seriousness".
No, you're not the only one. But apparently the simple fact of being fired gives you the right to shit hard on your ex-company without shocking anyone, because for some people that's a normal and totally reasonable thing to do it seems Also concerning the champagne ceremony, don't let TaeJa's atrocious ceremonies overshadow the ones that were actually good (Solar/Sacsri iirc)
On July 20 2014 09:01 Circumstance wrote: You're being too harsh on him.
Sacsri had never even been to Dreamhack before, much less won it, and he told Smix he hadn't even touched a bottle of champagne in his life before, yet he got the bottle open and spraying. That is bonjwa level of champagne mastery.
Just by luck, not preparation.
On October 26 2014 22:49 Doublemint wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:41 plogamer wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:30 Doublemint wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:28 plogamer wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:21 Doublemint wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:18 plogamer wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:10 boxerfred wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:04 plogamer wrote: Funny in a really really sad way.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
And it is repeated again and again. All I'm saying is that they need to learn that the champagne ceremony doesn't fit the winners of DH.
Or at the least give finalists a rehearsal with cheaper sparkling wines or something, if they really have to insist on it.
lol. are you for real?
I can see that folks like yourself here really care about tournament organizers putting on a good show. No let's keep things mediocre instead. Because why so serious, amirite?
whatever you say. though I am pretty sure you are in the minority here. by a lot.
What's your point? You think TL posters represent the majority of SC2 audience? It's my 2 cents, if you disagree, you can explain. If you don't care to explain, then don't insult people who post their thoughts and opinions.
Yes. I am about 90% certain of that.
And you may explain why you think that opening a bottle of champagne is humiliating for the winner.
Way to twist words. Failing to open/handle a bottle of champagne in front of a live crowd and online audience. That's what's so cringe-worthy.
way to grasp for straws... we KNOW he is in front of a crowd. because of the context. and because winners on a lan tournament usually are.
Grasping? I'm clarifying the parameters for my reasons which you so dubiously twisted into merely "opening a bottle of champagne is humiliating."
On October 26 2014 22:41 whereismymind wrote: he is acting like a kid now after being sacked.. probably he was sacked unfair, or not.. you know how ego and arrogance clashes after you have power.. but this scene perfectly explains that adults actuallly never grow up.
To be fair, few people would be in their right mind after being fired by their own company and life project.
Depends. For that to be a decent argument, we'd need to know if he was sacked because DH is a greedy company and did him wrong, or if he got sacked because he fucked up.
Greedy company = Investors wants to maximize their return ????
Sounds like investors assessed that Robert Ohlen wasn't very competent at his job since Dreamhack isn't a charity organization. Him going on public talkshows being really wasted makes it somewhat apparent that his judgements isn't very good. Him making a lot of angry tweets instead of more logical explanations doesn't benefit his cause either. If your mad and feel like you need to tell the public you have been mistreated, why not make a more elaborate explanation.
If he really can't keep his head cool here, then I also find it unlikely that is the right man for the job as a CEO.
I agree with all your assessments - but as long as there's no clear explanation from either side, it's as much speculation as people trying to blame DH.
I think almost everybody who follows SC2 esport visits TeamLiquid.
That's wrong on so many levels. Not everyone who visits TL, also posts an opinion (in fact, most of the times, you got the same 20-50 people arguing, hardly representative of tens of thousands of viewers). Not to mention that the SC2 audience is not just people who are interested in SC2 eSports. I follow DTM racing, watch it in TV - but you won't see my name in any forum or anything about DTM.
On October 26 2014 22:57 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I think almost everybody who follows SC2 esport visits TeamLiquid.
Unless viewbotting, there have been streams with thousands of viwers and just a couple of pages of LR thread.
Also, visit =/= post. Look at that inane poll, how many votes? 16 so far. Yep, 16 votes are now representative of tens of thousands of viewers.
there have been quite a lot of tournaments who fail to announce their tournament properly/are relatively low key and fail to make a LR thread and therefore the thread is pretty much dead.
and we better make the poll on the mainpage of TL! or better spam the internet/all tv channels/radio with it so you can have your desired outcome...
there have been quite a lot of tournaments who fail to announce their tournament properly/are relatively low key and fail to make a LR thread and therefore the thread is pretty much dead.
Easy to check. How long was the part of the DH LR for the finals? We know the viewers, lets just check how much was going on in the thread.
Very rarely. And who was talking about LR threads?
Wherelse would the audience of a tournament go to?
there have been quite a lot of tournaments who fail to announce their tournament properly/are relatively low key and fail to make a LR thread and therefore the thread is pretty much dead.
Easy to check. How long was the part of the DH LR for the finals? We know the viewers, lets just check how much was going on in the thread.
there have been quite a lot of tournaments who fail to announce their tournament properly/are relatively low key and fail to make a LR thread and therefore the thread is pretty much dead.
Easy to check. How long was the part of the DH LR for the finals? We know the viewers, lets just check how much was going on in the thread.
there have been quite a lot of tournaments who fail to announce their tournament properly/are relatively low key and fail to make a LR thread and therefore the thread is pretty much dead.
Easy to check. How long was the part of the DH LR for the finals? We know the viewers, lets just check how much was going on in the thread.
Very rarely. And who was talking about LR threads?
Wherelse would the audience of a tournament go to?
there have been quite a lot of tournaments who fail to announce their tournament properly/are relatively low key and fail to make a LR thread and therefore the thread is pretty much dead.
Easy to check. How long was the part of the DH LR for the finals? We know the viewers, lets just check how much was going on in the thread.
Why there has to be 10 000 people in live report thread at the same time? I just don't get it.
I think almost everybody who follows SC2 esport visits TeamLiquid.
Few of my friends check teamliquid daily. Some people more rarely. Some only visit Teamliquid week before tournament for preview and few days after tournament for pics and recaps.
It seems like a silly argument to claim most SC2 viewers visit TL. There's also reddit, Blizzard SC2 site, twitch. Just because you like TL for news and whatnot doesn't mean most SC2 viewers visit it.
On October 26 2014 23:30 Doodsmack wrote: It seems like a silly argument to claim most SC2 viewers visit TL. There's also reddit, Blizzard SC2 site, twitch. Just because you like TL for news and whatnot doesn't mean most SC2 viewers visit it.
Yeah I see that now. For some reason I completely forgot about Reddit >_<
I think almost everybody who follows SC2 esport visits TeamLiquid.
Few of my friends check teamliquid daily. Some people more rarely. Some only visit Teamliquid week before tournament for preview and few days after tournament for pics and recaps.
Because somebody claimed that TL speaks (edit: or is representative) for the majority of the SC2 audience. To argue that alot of people visit a page makes no sense, what matters is people who state an opinion, and that would be the most obvious in LR threads.
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