On October 26 2014 15:56 TechNoTrance wrote: I wish Dreamhack wouldn't wait till monday to explain this. Way too much speculation going on without the whole story.
Tbh if Ohlen didn't tweet in a weird/unprofessional manner there would be no speculations in the first place
Why so?
Because we would have known with an official and carefully prepared announcement from DH instead of a weird tweet that made people believe it was a hack^^ Now DH has to explain themselves, just like if they had done something bad, and they'll have to rush their explanations because the longer they wait, the longer people can speculate/hate on DH for no apparent reason since we don't know anything about what happened Edit : just look at the comment above me. We don't know anything about why Ohlen's been fired, but the way he acted let people think it's not his fault but DH's. That's bullshit
So what if he WAS treated unfairly and got stabbed in the back? You'd expect him to keep silent so Dreamhack could push out their pr statement (which they already have done btw)? How exactly do you expect someone to react in such a situation? He's not responsible for keeping Dreamhacks good name if they don't deserve it. Maybe he's slandering them, I don't know but saying he shouldn't tweet "unprofessionally" so there won't be speculation is stupid at best. He don't have any duty to protect them regardless how they've acted. If it turns out they had valid reasons I'll fully support the notion that he shouldn't do what he's doing, but we can't know that until there's more information and that won't come from him keeping silent.
If he was indeed treated unfairly, then I somehow doubt that a tweet is the correct way of showing that. He needs to explain how he was treated unfairly, and why DH is the worst organization on earth or something along those lines, and I doubt Twitter is the correct place to do that, especially with the character limitation. So to answer your question, I expect someone, especially if he/she is an important person in the scene, to react in a slightly more elaborate manner than an unclear tweet. You are right on the fact that he's not entitled to protect their good name though.
he doesn't owe you gossip material.
Which is precisely why he posts an obscure tweet and then doesn't explain himself, heh?
Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
On October 26 2014 15:56 TechNoTrance wrote: I wish Dreamhack wouldn't wait till monday to explain this. Way too much speculation going on without the whole story.
Tbh if Ohlen didn't tweet in a weird/unprofessional manner there would be no speculations in the first place
Why so?
Because we would have known with an official and carefully prepared announcement from DH instead of a weird tweet that made people believe it was a hack^^ Now DH has to explain themselves, just like if they had done something bad, and they'll have to rush their explanations because the longer they wait, the longer people can speculate/hate on DH for no apparent reason since we don't know anything about what happened Edit : just look at the comment above me. We don't know anything about why Ohlen's been fired, but the way he acted let people think it's not his fault but DH's. That's bullshit
So what if he WAS treated unfairly and got stabbed in the back? You'd expect him to keep silent so Dreamhack could push out their pr statement (which they already have done btw)? How exactly do you expect someone to react in such a situation? He's not responsible for keeping Dreamhacks good name if they don't deserve it. Maybe he's slandering them, I don't know but saying he shouldn't tweet "unprofessionally" so there won't be speculation is stupid at best. He don't have any duty to protect them regardless how they've acted. If it turns out they had valid reasons I'll fully support the notion that he shouldn't do what he's doing, but we can't know that until there's more information and that won't come from him keeping silent.
If he was indeed treated unfairly, then I somehow doubt that a tweet is the correct way of showing that. He needs to explain how he was treated unfairly, and why DH is the worst organization on earth or something along those lines, and I doubt Twitter is the correct place to do that, especially with the character limitation. So to answer your question, I expect someone, especially if he/she is an important person in the scene, to react in a slightly more elaborate manner than an unclear tweet. You are right on the fact that he's not entitled to protect their good name though.
he doesn't owe you gossip material.
Which is precisely why he posts an obscure tweet and then doesn't explain himself, heh?
people are allowed to vent; it is you who took it personal as if he was hurting your innate right to know ... more stuff. what actually happens, always trumps its reason for why it happened.
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
that was the best part, lol. and yeah, lets assume he got fired because of that.
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
A huge loss to eSports. The guy was simply brilliant, he had passion and drive, he was a pleasure to talk to and be around. I hope he manages to rebound and maybe start another eSport related company. A man of that energy and talent deserves better. Good luck Robert.
On October 26 2014 20:48 Kreb wrote: As much as I liked the guy, the tweets posted makes him look more like a butthurt 15yo than a grown up man. He isnt helping his cause.
Yeah, he's awesome but he's tweeting/saying a bit too much sometimes...
According to some random guy on reddit he has ADHD, anyone know if there's any truth in that?
"He suffers from ADHD and thus has poor impulse control that causes him to say stupid things that needs to come back later. I also believe that he is slight dyslexic."
On October 26 2014 20:48 Kreb wrote: As much as I liked the guy, the tweets posted makes him look more like a butthurt 15yo than a grown up man. He isnt helping his cause.
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. would you like him more?. what good would that do him?; but hey, as long as he fits your standards ... would you sleep better at night knowing he acted just like you would in that situation?. people are not our lookalikes or abstract, objective entities.
Edit: Taeja's drive to win so many DHs was for that champagne bottle. IT WAS PERSONAL!
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
that was the best part, lol. and yeah, lets assume he got fired because of that.
But I never said that he got fired because of that.. Just that it was a really really unfit ceremony for the champions who have thus far participated. It should be something comfortable (and if possible, distinctly e-sports) for the winner.
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
No. Never, NEVER
Why? It is so strange to see a scrawny Korean who can barely lift the bottle to perform the ceremony. Seriously, it's quite humiliating. Unless that's how foreigner fans can get their kicks and giggles. Seriously, why?
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
that was the best part, lol. and yeah, lets assume he got fired because of that.
But I never said that he got fired because of that.. Just that it was a really really unfit ceremony for the champions who have thus far participated. It should be something comfortable (and if possible, distinctly e-sports) for the winner.
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
No. Never, NEVER
Why? It is so strange to see a scrawny Korean who can barely lift the bottle to perform the ceremony. Seriously, it's quite humiliating. Unless that's how foreigner fans can get their kicks and giggles. Seriously, why?
Because it's a funny tradition. Why sssoo sseriousss?
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
that was the best part, lol. and yeah, lets assume he got fired because of that.
But I never said that he got fired because of that.. Just that it was a really really unfit ceremony for the champions who have thus far participated. It should be something comfortable (and if possible, distinctly e-sports) for the winner.
On October 26 2014 20:40 plogamer wrote: Seriously, I cringed every time the bottle ceremony took place. Bad decision-making to keep it going despite such utter awkwardness. Let's hope the new CEO changes that.
No. Never, NEVER
Why? It is so strange to see a scrawny Korean who can barely lift the bottle to perform the ceremony. Seriously, it's quite humiliating. Unless that's how foreigner fans can get their kicks and giggles. Seriously, why?
I liked the champagne, it fit the Dreamhack image of having fun and not being TOO serious while featuring high level competition. That you feel uncomfortable watching doesn't mean it's a blip on the radar of a player who has just won a Dreamhack event.
The champagne has become a storyline of its own, even being brought up when the CEO gets sacked (despite being completely unrelated). How isn't that unique to esports?
Weird and sad stuff, hopefully DH doesn't become a boring stick-to-being-professional organization now. They've always had that special charm of goofing around like no others and this guy probably had a lot to do with it.
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
upholding your standard of dignity would help him how?. would you like him more?. what good would that do him?; but hey, as long as he fits your standards ...
I don't know, getting hired by other companies? He's not an idra who gets hired for his behaviour to expose stuff. As an employer you'd think twice to employ somebody who throws a tantrum if something doesn't go his way.
Am i the only one who cringed while reading his tweet about how he makes his own laws n stuff? That "rebelstuff" was cool when i was 15, nowadays it's so incredibly lame.
edit: and please don't compare DH with HSC. It's not even in the same world, in regards to "seriousness".
And the whole premise of being fun and not too serious fits Homestory Cup better. And even they have better taste than that. But really, how does "not too serious" = "lame and awkward"? HSC is laid-back and their side-events and ceremonies are fit more closely with the normal curve.
I don't think that the champagne moment happened on purpose. Reducing Dreamhack to one moment is plain ignorant. There's so much work going on in the background at such kind of events which is done by several people. It's really hard to go for a black and white-ish "There's the point where someone fucked up".
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