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Players keep moving in South Korea since the end of 2014 Proleague.
Today, we learned that Zerg player Shin « Hydra » Dong Won will not renew his contract with CJ Entus for the next season. After seven years spent with the korean team and notable results at IEM Singapore 2013 and Red Bull Battle Grounds Global last month, he is now looking for a new structure.
team-aAa.com : We learned today that you were leaving CJ Entus. Can you tell us a bit more ?
Shin "Hydra" Dong Won : I leave CJ Entus because I have been member of the team and participating to KeSPA events for seven years. It is now time for me to discover new experiences through a foreign team.
Do you have something to say to your former teammates ?
Yes, it was a big part of my life. It is sad to leave the place where you have been since the age of 17, but I want to discover new things. Big thanks to CJ Entus !
What do you think about the new WCS rules ?
There is good and bad things. I think they are fine for the foreign players and bad for the Koreans who play for a foreign team.
What are your plans for the next season ?
I would like to join a foreign team and compete in WCS North America or WCS Europe. I plan to leave South Korea and gain a visa to be part of one of those two tournaments.
Any words for your fans ?
I am really excited to meet you, I will train a lot and show you my best level very soon. I need your support !
Read more here !
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
It is now time for me to discover new experiences through a foreign team.
Christ's fucking sake
Good luck I guess
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 11 2014 19:20 Lorning wrote:Christ's fucking sake
Yugioh only looks more bad ass in retrospect.
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All these super high quality Korean players, not enough salaries to go around in foreign teams...
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Isn't that title completely misleading? He actually says the rules are bad for koreans on foreign teams but he wants to discover new experiences outside of kespa regardless.
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HOW MANY FOREIGN TEAMS DO THESE KOREANS THINK ARE HIRING?! Jesus Christ why doesn't Kespa just move to NA already?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 11 2014 19:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
HOW MANY FOREIGN TEAMS DO THESE KOREANS THINK ARE HIRING?! Jesus Christ why doesn't Kespa just move to NA already?
Some of them probably cant stand the kespa training regime anymore. Others just want to try new thins with military looming. Others are thinking of avoiding the inevitable forced retirements and cuts. Can't blame them.
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What do you think about the new WCS rules ?
There is good and bad things. I think they are fine for the foreign players and bad for the Koreans who play for a foreign team.
What are your plans for the next season ?
I would like to join a foreign team and compete in WCS North America or WCS Europe. I plan to leave South Korea and gain a visa to be part of one of those two tournaments.
That doesn't seem very... logical.
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On September 11 2014 19:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
HOW MANY FOREIGN TEAMS DO THESE KOREANS THINK ARE HIRING?! Jesus Christ why doesn't Kespa just move to NA already?
Well its even more expensive if they need a place to stay in Europe or America. I am not sure if they all succed with that :/
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL.
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On September 11 2014 19:20 Lorning wrote:Christ's fucking sake Good luck I guess
Guys, you know foreigners give you like 300 gold when you kill them! (less exp though) Farming foreigners is the best strategy to reach MC the quickest.
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What exactly in that interview justifies the title? :s
Not only does he not give the new WCS rules as a reason for leaving, he even states that it's bad for players on foreign teams...
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Blizzard saving the day once again! hooray, Jesus can the company stop f**ing up.
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Russian Federation232 Posts
lol did they just hype all each other about going to a foreign team abroad or something ?
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Hydra is one of my favorite zergs, too. 
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On September 11 2014 19:21 Scarecrow wrote:
Isn't that title completely misleading? He actually says the rules are bad for koreans on foreign teams but he wants to discover new experiences outside of kespa regardless.
Title is totally misleading...
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Interesting time to make this decision.
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I dont know if these players see, that no major Team out of Korea hires atm? Maybe Acer and thats it. Yeah and new creations maybe.
I can understand the players leaving hte KeSPA Regime, you have to act like a robot to train so hard in the Team Houses, you give up so much for maybe so little.
But these foreign teams, they all search for... they do not exist or have no spare slots atm.
Its a shame that the money and team thing develops so different from the talented players: so many players spread out of korea, so little teams can offoard them.
Damn this, lotv save us all.
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Maybe this is who Acer picks up then. If they don't want a protoss...
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The region-lock idea is backfiring even more. Going to have more Koreans in AM and EU than ever. Somehow I find the irony hilarious.
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On September 11 2014 19:30 Vorenius wrote:
What exactly in that interview justifies the title? :s
Not only does he not give the new WCS rules as a reason for leaving, he even states that it's bad for players on foreign teams...
Exactly title seems complete bs.
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On September 11 2014 19:24 Nahsom wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 19:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
HOW MANY FOREIGN TEAMS DO THESE KOREANS THINK ARE HIRING?! Jesus Christ why doesn't Kespa just move to NA already? Well its even more expensive if they need a place to stay in Europe or America. I am not sure if they all succed with that :/
You can Share the cost like the GEM players do. He will need a team to pay him a decent salary. But living cost should be much cheaper than leaving in Seoul.
And it could be not just about the money. At least for me, when I worked abroad for a couple of years, it was more about the adventure. (Tax benefits for working abroad were good back then, tho)
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The thread has been renamed, I hope it's ok now.
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On September 11 2014 19:35 Ctesias wrote:
The region-lock idea is backfiring even more. Going to have more Koreans in AM and EU than ever. Somehow I find the irony hilarious.
Try reading the OP before posting -.-
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So many top tier free agents to pick up for euro/us teams now...im worried that so few of them will actually get a proper contract.
Also the "full" interview consists of one more question which is the shoutout...
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noooo hydra
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Everyone should just fucking join Samsung.
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wow so many kespa players leaving for foreign teams
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Are there even enough foreign teams to holster all of these Koreans..
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Does anyone know where I could find an overview of all the Kespa Players release to date?
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That grass looks so much greener huh... You'd think they'd have worked it out by now...
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Looks like they heard too many fairy tales before going to bed.
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What sort of information is being perpetuated in the korean scene to imply the foreign one is doing well enough to keep hiring?
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On September 11 2014 19:55 Nerchio wrote:
Looks like they heard too many fairy tales before going to bed.
This so much, are they really that naive, after seeing what happened with Genius, Dear and Co?
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dafuq is going on, why they all want to leave KeSPA?
also what will happen to the Kespa teams, do they still have that drafting thing they shouwed in State of play for newbie players?
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I hope Hydra finds a good team and we still see him perform well...
I'm sad about CJ Entus losing him though.
(Sad about SKT too)
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Considering the very few LANs in NA and the quite high cost of flights between NA/EU Im guessing all of them are aiming towards EU if possible. The competition for easy Dreamhack/Fragbite/HSC etc money just went almost full Code S.
And Im really wondering if they made proper research or if MC/First/Yoda/Stardust told them it´s the Promised Lands. Im pretty sure we´ll see quite a few of these turn into a new Dear.
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Liquid hydra has a really good ring to it
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On September 11 2014 19:52 Trasko wrote:
Are there even enough foreign teams to holster all of these Koreans..
Nope.
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On September 11 2014 19:59 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
dafuq is going on, why they all want to leave KeSPA?
also what will happen to the Kespa teams, do they still have that drafting thing they shouwed in State of play for newbie players?
I'm wondering this too.
I've also been think that there are so many good teamless Korean players right now that if they can't find a home then KeSPA might have to go down the whole 8th Team route they had to do after MBCGame HERO, WeMade FOX and Hwaseung Oz all disbanded and see if they can land it a new big sponsor.
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Another one?
I'm afraid that 'foreign team' is a euphemism for 'retire'.
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With all these Kespa Superstars being released and wanting to play abroad you could potentially as a team buy yourself a ticket to a WCS EU or AM final right now.
Time for foreign Teams to invest!
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The problem is that there's a lot of teamless korean. Also Pigbaby and Trap (that won WCS Am and MLG) haven't found a team. GL to Hydra
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What a good timing for all these players leaving Kespa now that WCS region lock is in place.
Oh well getting a visa in EU is probably easier, however if everyone goes to EU, next season WCS EU would be significantly more challenging. Unless they can go to NA, with a harder route.
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Northern Ireland24316 Posts
I'm pretty sure some of these guys just want a change of environment, especially the ones who have been in the Kespa system for years.
A year of trying your luck in foreign tournaments for a last payday before going for the army might be a motivation for some of them as well.
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On September 11 2014 19:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL.
I think the wise move for fantasy is to go to a lesser team that is looking for a terran to play in pro league
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i dont get this. SC2 is mostly well supported just in Korea. Why do the leave from Korea?
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On September 11 2014 19:21 Scarecrow wrote:
Isn't that title completely misleading? He actually says the rules are bad for koreans on foreign teams but he wants to discover new experiences outside of kespa regardless.
they want visas to come along with it when they join for that easy money. I have a feeling some broken promises will be made.
On September 11 2014 20:37 Tyeshoo wrote:
i dont get this. SC2 is mostly well supported just in Korea. Why do the leave from Korea?
Travel around the world; chance to participate in easier qualifiers; make more prize money. Only prob is when a lot of them do it and do get their visas. Hellllllo qualifiers.
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On September 11 2014 20:37 Tyeshoo wrote:
i dont get this. SC2 is mostly well supported just in Korea. Why do the leave from Korea?
Aren't you jealous if you can attend tournaments in (inclusive seeing cities like) Valencia, Paris, Los Angeles, New York, Rio de Janeiro, Toronto, Stockholm etc?
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On September 11 2014 19:59 Quateras wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 19:55 Nerchio wrote:
Looks like they heard too many fairy tales before going to bed. This so much, are they really that naive, after seeing what happened with Genius, Dear and Co?
I doubt they will do the proper research before joining some putz team.
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Seems like Kespa teams are somewhere the insiders want out, and the outsiders want in 
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let's try to think of an optimistic scenario:
1. top level kespa players leave for the glorious foreign land
2. few of them get a prestigeous foreign team soon (EG, Liquid, Acer, perhaps Ai)
3. few of them get a noname team a bit later (planetkey, meltdown, NRS...)
4. if they make a flat share even noname-team salary + online cup winnings or only savings + winnings could be enough to live - at least in europe (not on hight standards, but kespa players should be used to little place and those players are searching the adventure, not the money or comfort - at least, if they're saying the truth)
5. with these players not in kespa-teams anymore, free agents in korea have a good chance to get hired by kespa teams again, bringing their experience in and getting exposure
6. koreans living in europe and NA will raise the skill-level in these regions while in korea new players have to be grown to the top level - so the korean-foreign skillgap could become a bit smaller
7. ?
8. profit 
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
CJ
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New experiences might mean "easy money", considering the big competition in Korea, a foreign team souds so much better, especially now that players like Taeja are looking for a retirement soon.
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This is like the worst possible timing ever, I wonder is PL going to be able to pull through, they need more teams and more players.
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What is happening, Blizzard (soft) region locks WCS and KeSPA players leave their teams to join foreign teams, just wtf :D.
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At this point, I really don't think any of these Koreans who are trying to leave Korea are doing it for the money. If every idiot in a forum thread can immediately say "but why??? There's no money in foreign teams, don't they see that??", I'm pretty certain that the players realize that they're not all going to get some sick salary from EG. Like Parting said in his interview, they're doing it because they want to travel the world while they're still young and meet foreign fans and shit.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On September 11 2014 21:31 Musicus wrote:
What is happening, Blizzard (soft) region locks WCS and KeSPA players leave their teams to join foreign teams, just wtf :D.
Aside from the post above me, I wonder just how much of it is just a cover story for retiring too.
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Poland3748 Posts
Interesting times incoming
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On September 11 2014 19:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL.
Don't forget Journey, Ragnarok and I think there's another Korean who is free. Perhaps not Code S level but they're still damn good either way.
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So they all waited for Taeja to retire before daring the trip. Smart move.
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I think Koreans are just looking at the amount of money to be made playing in the international scene compared to staying in just Korea. MC earned so much money from that, instead of being tied down in Korea / Kespa.
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your Country52797 Posts
On September 11 2014 22:15 GamerLife wrote:
So they all waited for Taeja to retire before daring the trip. Smart move.
Agreed. Now they don't have to risk facing (and getting knocked out by) TaeJa.
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Fuck this lol, like everyone in my signature that I always cheered for in SPL is leaving to some foreign teams to compete in bullshit foreign leagues and tournaments -.-
On September 11 2014 22:15 Incognoto wrote:
I think Koreans are just looking at the amount of money to be made playing in the international scene compared to staying in just Korea. MC earned so much money from that, instead of being tied down in Korea / Kespa.
Definitely not, Parting even said 'not everything is about money'. They want the experience, not the money - they can earn more money in one of those Top4 Kespa teams...
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FNATIC ITS YOUR TIME TO STEP IN!!!
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GG,,, gl hydra on finding a foreign team
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On September 11 2014 19:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL.
Wow look at that list of names who will never reach Code S again. Everyone knows foreign Koreans can't compete in Korea. Failures looking for easy foreign money.
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On September 11 2014 22:42 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 19:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL. Wow look at that list of names who will never reach Code S again. Everyone knows foreign Koreans can't compete in Korea. Failures looking for easy foreign money.
Taeja had plenty of semi finals in the GSL just before leaving for WCS America.I think Taeja still would be Code S level but we can only speculate since he didn't try to rejoin GSL.
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KT won the last legitimate Proleague. Korean scene crumbling.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 11 2014 22:42 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 19:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL. Wow look at that list of names who will never reach Code S again. Everyone knows foreign Koreans can't compete in Korea. Failures looking for easy foreign money.
This comment is pretty hilarious given how tournaments have looked for the last few months. Flash struggling against MC and Stardust? Check. Solar and Zest both losing to Taeja? Check. San beating Byul into the ground? Check. DRG making the Ro8? Check.
I'd never say that you don't know what you're talking about, but it certainly looks that way.
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I guess it's time for A NU START for a lot of these players who are going to switch now that Blizzard is doing region lock. Good luck, guys!
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This might be rough for Hydra, he's probably less marketable in the eyes of many foreign teams when stacked up against DRG/the SKT guys. Hopefully it works out for him
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On September 11 2014 22:51 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 22:42 Thax wrote:On September 11 2014 19:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL. Wow look at that list of names who will never reach Code S again. Everyone knows foreign Koreans can't compete in Korea. Failures looking for easy foreign money. This comment is pretty hilarious given how tournaments have looked for the last few months. Flash struggling against MC and Stardust? Check. Solar and Zest both losing to Taeja? Check. San beating Byul into the ground? Check. DRG making the Ro8? Check. I'd never say that you don't know what you're talking about, but it certainly looks that way.
a bunch of particular matches isn't much either. And a terran struggling vs protoss isn't big news for over a year (bomber vs has - classic). I get what you're saying but honestly I think only Tajea would be a force to be reckoned with in KR.
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Hmmm I don't feel that negative towards this. If there were no possibilities to go to foreign teams like in BW Hydra probably would've just retired. It's not that hard to imagine that spending 7 years in the same environment will become very uninspiring. I feel it's a positive thing there's possibilities (however limited) for these players to take new steps without having to quit Starcraft altogether.
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On September 11 2014 22:51 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 22:42 Thax wrote:On September 11 2014 19:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL. Wow look at that list of names who will never reach Code S again. Everyone knows foreign Koreans can't compete in Korea. Failures looking for easy foreign money. This comment is pretty hilarious given how tournaments have looked for the last few months. Flash struggling against MC and Stardust? Check. Solar and Zest both losing to Taeja? Check. San beating Byul into the ground? Check. DRG making the Ro8? Check. I'd never say that you don't know what you're talking about, but it certainly looks that way.
Check.
If anything, it shows that WCS EU / NA aren't far away from WCS KR at all.
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On September 11 2014 22:51 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 22:42 Thax wrote:On September 11 2014 19:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL. Wow look at that list of names who will never reach Code S again. Everyone knows foreign Koreans can't compete in Korea. Failures looking for easy foreign money. This comment is pretty hilarious given how tournaments have looked for the last few months. Flash struggling against MC and Stardust? Check. Solar and Zest both losing to Taeja? Check. San beating Byul into the ground? Check. DRG making the Ro8? Check. I'd never say that you don't know what you're talking about, but it certainly looks that way.
How bored are you that you answered to a post, that called Rain a failure looking for easy foreign money?
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Why are all these players moving out? Good job WCS system, and good luck to him finding a team anytime soon with SKT's runaways on the market.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 11 2014 23:33 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 22:51 Zealously wrote:On September 11 2014 22:42 Thax wrote:On September 11 2014 19:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL. Wow look at that list of names who will never reach Code S again. Everyone knows foreign Koreans can't compete in Korea. Failures looking for easy foreign money. This comment is pretty hilarious given how tournaments have looked for the last few months. Flash struggling against MC and Stardust? Check. Solar and Zest both losing to Taeja? Check. San beating Byul into the ground? Check. DRG making the Ro8? Check. I'd never say that you don't know what you're talking about, but it certainly looks that way. How bored are you that you answered to a post, that called Rain a failure looking for easy foreign money?
Trigger-happy finger
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Should just go back to BW, he left at his prime
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Who wants to crowd source a team? lulz...
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All these guys leaving korean teams are going to end up on crappy little foreign teams or retiring soon.
I'm guessing they're leaving in the first place because they are retiring soon. SC2 just doesn't pay anymore, and now that they can't even play in WCS NA and EU, they might as well move on.
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Really seems like BW Koreans are realizing how big the eSports world is now. So many of them have hardly left Korea, and then they get a taste of what us foreign fans are like, and now it's time for a foreign team :D
I could be totally off base, but aww well
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On September 11 2014 19:23 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +What do you think about the new WCS rules ?
There is good and bad things. I think they are fine for the foreign players and bad for the Koreans who play for a foreign team.
What are your plans for the next season ?
I would like to join a foreign team and compete in WCS North America or WCS Europe. I plan to leave South Korea and gain a visa to be part of one of those two tournaments. That doesn't seem very... logical.
This made me laugh so much. I really hope these guys find teams, it would really be sad to see their level go down if they cannot get into the right environment/support fast enough. So many open players now @_@
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your Country52797 Posts
On September 12 2014 01:01 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 19:23 Boucot wrote:What do you think about the new WCS rules ?
There is good and bad things. I think they are fine for the foreign players and bad for the Koreans who play for a foreign team.
What are your plans for the next season ?
I would like to join a foreign team and compete in WCS North America or WCS Europe. I plan to leave South Korea and gain a visa to be part of one of those two tournaments. That doesn't seem very... logical. This made me laugh so much. I really hope these guys find teams, it would really be sad to see their level go down if they cannot get into the right environment/support fast enough. So many open players now @_@
I think PartinG meant the players that live in korea and fly out to a bunch of tournaments/WCS :p
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On September 11 2014 23:33 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 22:51 Zealously wrote:On September 11 2014 22:42 Thax wrote:On September 11 2014 19:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL. Wow look at that list of names who will never reach Code S again. Everyone knows foreign Koreans can't compete in Korea. Failures looking for easy foreign money. This comment is pretty hilarious given how tournaments have looked for the last few months. Flash struggling against MC and Stardust? Check. Solar and Zest both losing to Taeja? Check. San beating Byul into the ground? Check. DRG making the Ro8? Check. I'd never say that you don't know what you're talking about, but it certainly looks that way. How bored are you that you answered to a post, that called Rain a failure looking for easy foreign money?
Although I might not agree with everything he said; I'm afraid he has a point when it comes to the decline of skill. I can imagine that departing from korea will open a few new doors but close some others. :-/ Right now the only Koreans that maintained their skill were Hyun, Taeja and Polt. And MC.
We'll see what happens...
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WCS 2015: All kespa players leave Korea, in search of that sweet easy foreign money. WCS EU and AM both become as hard as GSL and all foreigners are eliminated immediately. Round of 8 WCS EU: Hydra, Solar, Cure, DRG, Zest, Rain, Parting, MC. WCS AM: soO, Stats, Innovation, TRUE, Maru, sOs, Soulkey, Flash. Meanwhile, only mediocre washouts are left in Korea. Now that GSL is so much less competitive, State, who has still been toiling away in the Prime house makes his first GSL. He becomes the first foreigner to win GSL, royal roading through such titans like SalvatioN, Miso, BrAvO, PenguiN, AnNyeong, and Zoun, before meeting MKP in the finals. He beats MKP so badly that he cries (as expected). However, no one gives his win any weight, as he was too much of a 'coward' to play in the REAL SC2 leagues, WCS AM and EU.
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your Country52797 Posts
On September 12 2014 02:01 Darthsanta13 wrote:
WCS 2015: All kespa players leave Korea, in search of that sweet easy foreign money. WCS EU and AM both become as hard as GSL and all foreigners are eliminated immediately. Round of 8 WCS EU: Hydra, Solar, Cure, DRG, Zest, Rain, Parting, MC. WCS AM: soO, Stats, Innovation, TRUE, Maru, sOs, Soulkey, Flash. Meanwhile, only mediocre washouts are left in Korea. Now that GSL is so much less competitive, State, who has still been toiling away in the Prime house makes his first GSL. He becomes the first foreigner to win GSL, royal roading through such titans like SalvatioN, Miso, BrAvO, PenguiN, AnNyeong, and Zoun, before meeting MKP in the finals. He beats MKP so badly that he cries (as expected). However, no one gives his win any weight, as he was too much of a 'coward' to play in the REAL SC2 leagues, WCS AM and EU.
I want 100% of this to happen. Please. That would show us all something.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On September 12 2014 02:01 Darthsanta13 wrote:
WCS 2015: All kespa players leave Korea, in search of that sweet easy foreign money. WCS EU and AM both become as hard as GSL and all foreigners are eliminated immediately. Round of 8 WCS EU: Hydra, Solar, Cure, DRG, Zest, Rain, Parting, MC. WCS AM: soO, Stats, Innovation, TRUE, Maru, sOs, Soulkey, Flash. Meanwhile, only mediocre washouts are left in Korea. Now that GSL is so much less competitive, State, who has still been toiling away in the Prime house makes his first GSL. He becomes the first foreigner to win GSL, royal roading through such titans like SalvatioN, Miso, BrAvO, PenguiN, AnNyeong, and Zoun, before meeting MKP in the finals. He beats MKP so badly that he cries (as expected). However, no one gives his win any weight, as he was too much of a 'coward' to play in the REAL SC2 leagues, WCS AM and EU.
Amazing
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So many moves. I hope there'll be some influx as well -- SPL got just a lot weaker today.
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Madness, it just keeps rolling. I loved Hydra on CJ Fighting!
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No!
jesus christ not hydra! he s so handsome!
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On September 12 2014 02:01 Darthsanta13 wrote:
WCS 2015: All kespa players leave Korea, in search of that sweet easy foreign money. WCS EU and AM both become as hard as GSL and all foreigners are eliminated immediately. Round of 8 WCS EU: Hydra, Solar, Cure, DRG, Zest, Rain, Parting, MC. WCS AM: soO, Stats, Innovation, TRUE, Maru, sOs, Soulkey, Flash. Meanwhile, only mediocre washouts are left in Korea. Now that GSL is so much less competitive, State, who has still been toiling away in the Prime house makes his first GSL. He becomes the first foreigner to win GSL, royal roading through such titans like SalvatioN, Miso, BrAvO, PenguiN, AnNyeong, and Zoun, before meeting MKP in the finals. He beats MKP so badly that he cries (as expected). However, no one gives his win any weight, as he was too much of a 'coward' to play in the REAL SC2 leagues, WCS AM and EU.
you are a poet
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I think Hydra had too much fun at Redbull lol
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My apartment is open for any KeSPA pros who need a place to train and stay :B
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Hydra's name doesn't have as much of a draw as some of these other free agents, though. Hard to compete with them for offers while wanting to move countries etc. But that's a strong commitment he is looking to make, too. Hope he finds a good home. I only really trust liquid or acer to give these players everything, opportunity wise. Funny, EG is a name I would have said a long time ago.. but now it's like.. are they trying to drop out of SC2 entirely?
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On September 12 2014 02:49 Torte de Lini wrote:
My apartment is open for any KeSPA pros who need a place to train and stay :B
Hahahaha! May I be the cook and the maid?
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On September 12 2014 02:53 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 02:49 Torte de Lini wrote:
My apartment is open for any KeSPA pros who need a place to train and stay :B Hahahaha! May I be the cook and the maid?
We're eating McDonald's everyday!
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It will be hilarious if Blizzard end up prohibiting anyone with gorgeous hair and narrow shape of eyes from playing outsid Korea
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If everyone goes to Prime.....
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On September 11 2014 22:42 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 19:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL. Wow look at that list of names who will never reach Code S again. Everyone knows foreign Koreans can't compete in Korea. Failures looking for easy foreign money.
Poll: Kespa fanboys tears are...(Vote): 1) Delicious
Moar plz
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The situation is very chaotic, but in the same time - everything is too logical, if you think for a moment. It's not fair to be one of the best and to play with the best players and not to participate in more tournaments like all other pro's arround the wolrd. The Proleague is over for this year, and this is the last GSL too. There are few empty months without tournaments, and in the same time every month IEM and Dreamhacks happen, while foreign players are collecting more WCS points for Blizzcon. And you may be one of the best, but If you are not a champion in Code S, you're nothing and your carreer is unsecure. Yes, it is also about money, it's not like what Parting is talking about, money and WCS points and many tournaments for which koreans are hungry. Damn, in Code A there are so many good players which can defeat most of the NA and Europe WCS regions, but they are in a shadow! So I can understand the decidion that Rain, Parting, Fantasy or Hydra made. Who cares if you lose some shape out of Korea, for the foreing fans you're superhero, and that is what so many koreans desire for!
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On September 11 2014 23:33 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 22:51 Zealously wrote:On September 11 2014 22:42 Thax wrote:On September 11 2014 19:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL. Wow look at that list of names who will never reach Code S again. Everyone knows foreign Koreans can't compete in Korea. Failures looking for easy foreign money. This comment is pretty hilarious given how tournaments have looked for the last few months. Flash struggling against MC and Stardust? Check. Solar and Zest both losing to Taeja? Check. San beating Byul into the ground? Check. DRG making the Ro8? Check. I'd never say that you don't know what you're talking about, but it certainly looks that way. How bored are you that you answered to a post, that called Rain a failure looking for easy foreign money?
I probably should have left the at the end of my post. I assumed the sarcasm as obvious. My bad.
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On September 11 2014 23:31 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 22:51 Zealously wrote:On September 11 2014 22:42 Thax wrote:On September 11 2014 19:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I just don't get why are they all leaving before LotV comes in.
So, considering that TRUE is technically in Dead Pixels, we now have:
DRG
Rain
PartinG
FanTaSy
Hydra
4 Code S playoffs level guys and FanTaSy, who can really get them, lol.
+ There is Myungsik who left KT Rolster as well.
TL won't get anyone until TJ retires most likely, Acer will get probably one and outside of those two, noone really seems legit contender.
YOE FLASH WOLVES FOR THE RESCUE PLEASE.
On less serious note, i hope they're still going to play in SPL. Wow look at that list of names who will never reach Code S again. Everyone knows foreign Koreans can't compete in Korea. Failures looking for easy foreign money. This comment is pretty hilarious given how tournaments have looked for the last few months. Flash struggling against MC and Stardust? Check. Solar and Zest both losing to Taeja? Check. San beating Byul into the ground? Check. DRG making the Ro8? Check. I'd never say that you don't know what you're talking about, but it certainly looks that way. Check. If anything, it shows that WCS EU / NA aren't far away from WCS KR at all.
I'd say WCS NA is about 2 supply from Code S.
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I don't understand why KeSPA can't just give more opportunity to its players to participate in foreign weekend tournaments, and why Blizzard can't just give more money/leagues to Korea, instead of this awkward foreign team hunt situation.
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On September 12 2014 04:54 Grumbels wrote:
I don't understand why KeSPA can't just give more opportunity to its players to participate in foreign weekend tournaments, and why Blizzard can't just give more money/leagues to Korea, instead of this awkward foreign team hunt situation.
Because their sponsors gain nothing from letting the players go overseas. Just like a foreign team's sponsor gains (almost) nothing from competing on PL.
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First SKT. Now CJ. KT next? WCS 2015 having a huge effect already.
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I'm thinking these players are saying they aren't renewing their contracts because they want to go to the foreign scene, but in reality all the KeSPA teams are offering lower-paying contracts in light of the new WCS rules and they think they can get better somewhere else.
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On September 12 2014 05:55 klipik12 wrote:
I'm thinking these players are saying they aren't renewing their contracts because they want to go to the foreign scene, but in reality all the KeSPA teams are offering lower-paying contracts in light of the new WCS rules and they think they can get better somewhere else.
KeSPA teams care way more about Proleague than they do GSL.
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At this rate, proleague 2015 will be round robin of 4 teams that last for one week.
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I can't imagine what it has been like to live in a Korean team house for years, toiling away at your computer station 12-14 hours a day (? actual number of hours but it seems to be a lot), knowing that there is a world out there that you may not get to experience any other way than trying to play SC2 in Europe or the U.S.
These are young men who soon must "grow up," do their required time in the military (a bit scary with N. Korea and China nearby?) and then get "real" jobs. This may be a big opportunity for them to see new places, different people, meet more fans, experience the world. Will it work out that way? Who knows? I bet a lot of young people in the U.S. would jump at the chance to do something they love, something they are good (or great) at, and make the most of this time when they are free to travel and explore parts of the world.
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On September 12 2014 02:45 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 02:01 Darthsanta13 wrote:
WCS 2015: All kespa players leave Korea, in search of that sweet easy foreign money. WCS EU and AM both become as hard as GSL and all foreigners are eliminated immediately. Round of 8 WCS EU: Hydra, Solar, Cure, DRG, Zest, Rain, Parting, MC. WCS AM: soO, Stats, Innovation, TRUE, Maru, sOs, Soulkey, Flash. Meanwhile, only mediocre washouts are left in Korea. Now that GSL is so much less competitive, State, who has still been toiling away in the Prime house makes his first GSL. He becomes the first foreigner to win GSL, royal roading through such titans like SalvatioN, Miso, BrAvO, PenguiN, AnNyeong, and Zoun, before meeting MKP in the finals. He beats MKP so badly that he cries (as expected). However, no one gives his win any weight, as he was too much of a 'coward' to play in the REAL SC2 leagues, WCS AM and EU. you are a poet
Alternate ending:
soO stays behind in GSL to finally win now that all the good protosses are gone. Still loses to State in the finals.
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I like how region locking is having the exact opposite of its intended effect
then again, most of these players won't even find foreign teams to play on. and certainly they won't find foreign teams willing to pay them a salary commensurate with what they were making in kespa
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On September 12 2014 05:22 geokilla wrote:
First SKT. Now CJ. KT next? WCS 2015 having a huge effect already.
Action and Hitman will be next I think.
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your Country52797 Posts
On September 12 2014 07:48 negativedge wrote:
I like how region locking is having the exact opposite of its intended effect
then again, most of these players won't even find foreign teams to play on. and certainly they won't find foreign teams willing to pay them a salary commensurate with what they were making in kespa
Blizzard never said what they intended to happen 
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i think looking for foreign teams is a good thing, provided there are enough foreign teams who can take korean talent on and provided the korean player helps out the team acting as a new 'practice partner'.
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Hydra being very optimistic here
Trap won an MLG and is still teamless
I don't know if people have been telling him stories about foreign land or if this is just him going yolo before military service
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On September 12 2014 07:48 negativedge wrote:
I like how region locking is having the exact opposite of its intended effect
then again, most of these players won't even find foreign teams to play on. and certainly they won't find foreign teams willing to pay them a salary commensurate with what they were making in kespa
What makes you think region lock has anything to do with it? Their contracts are just expiring around this time. It doesn't make sense to say Kespa pro's are leaving their teams because it's become harder to play abroad. If anyhting it suggests they've been planning on leaving for a while and haven't changed their minds with the WCS changes.
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Canada11355 Posts
On September 12 2014 07:22 Darthsanta13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 02:45 Ej_ wrote:On September 12 2014 02:01 Darthsanta13 wrote:
WCS 2015: All kespa players leave Korea, in search of that sweet easy foreign money. WCS EU and AM both become as hard as GSL and all foreigners are eliminated immediately. Round of 8 WCS EU: Hydra, Solar, Cure, DRG, Zest, Rain, Parting, MC. WCS AM: soO, Stats, Innovation, TRUE, Maru, sOs, Soulkey, Flash. Meanwhile, only mediocre washouts are left in Korea. Now that GSL is so much less competitive, State, who has still been toiling away in the Prime house makes his first GSL. He becomes the first foreigner to win GSL, royal roading through such titans like SalvatioN, Miso, BrAvO, PenguiN, AnNyeong, and Zoun, before meeting MKP in the finals. He beats MKP so badly that he cries (as expected). However, no one gives his win any weight, as he was too much of a 'coward' to play in the REAL SC2 leagues, WCS AM and EU. you are a poet Alternate ending: soO stays behind in GSL to finally win now that all the good protosses are gone. Still loses to State in the finals.
Thus confirming his statement that all wcs regions are equal and a new age of harmony and peace is seen in the SC2 community..
Except twitch chat..
We still don't talk about twitch chat.
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On September 12 2014 08:49 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 07:48 negativedge wrote:
I like how region locking is having the exact opposite of its intended effect
then again, most of these players won't even find foreign teams to play on. and certainly they won't find foreign teams willing to pay them a salary commensurate with what they were making in kespa What makes you think region lock has anything to do with it? Their contracts are just expiring around this time. It doesn't make sense to say Kespa pro's are leaving their teams because it's become harder to play abroad. If anyhting it suggests they've been planning on leaving for a while and haven't changed their minds with the WCS changes.
A happened. Then B happened a few days after. A must have caused B, no matter how ridiculous the logic is XD
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United States23455 Posts
On September 12 2014 09:31 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 08:49 Saechiis wrote:On September 12 2014 07:48 negativedge wrote:
I like how region locking is having the exact opposite of its intended effect
then again, most of these players won't even find foreign teams to play on. and certainly they won't find foreign teams willing to pay them a salary commensurate with what they were making in kespa What makes you think region lock has anything to do with it? Their contracts are just expiring around this time. It doesn't make sense to say Kespa pro's are leaving their teams because it's become harder to play abroad. If anyhting it suggests they've been planning on leaving for a while and haven't changed their minds with the WCS changes. A happened. Then B happened a few days after. A must have caused B, no matter how ridiculous the logic is XD
Post hoc ergo propter hoc!
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On September 12 2014 09:40 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 09:31 argonautdice wrote:On September 12 2014 08:49 Saechiis wrote:On September 12 2014 07:48 negativedge wrote:
I like how region locking is having the exact opposite of its intended effect
then again, most of these players won't even find foreign teams to play on. and certainly they won't find foreign teams willing to pay them a salary commensurate with what they were making in kespa What makes you think region lock has anything to do with it? Their contracts are just expiring around this time. It doesn't make sense to say Kespa pro's are leaving their teams because it's become harder to play abroad. If anyhting it suggests they've been planning on leaving for a while and haven't changed their minds with the WCS changes. A happened. Then B happened a few days after. A must have caused B, no matter how ridiculous the logic is XD Post hoc ergo propter hoc!
Someone watches the West Wing.
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United States23455 Posts
On September 12 2014 09:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 09:40 Darkhorse wrote:On September 12 2014 09:31 argonautdice wrote:On September 12 2014 08:49 Saechiis wrote:On September 12 2014 07:48 negativedge wrote:
I like how region locking is having the exact opposite of its intended effect
then again, most of these players won't even find foreign teams to play on. and certainly they won't find foreign teams willing to pay them a salary commensurate with what they were making in kespa What makes you think region lock has anything to do with it? Their contracts are just expiring around this time. It doesn't make sense to say Kespa pro's are leaving their teams because it's become harder to play abroad. If anyhting it suggests they've been planning on leaving for a while and haven't changed their minds with the WCS changes. A happened. Then B happened a few days after. A must have caused B, no matter how ridiculous the logic is XD Post hoc ergo propter hoc! Someone watches the West Wing.
How did you know? :D
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Poland3748 Posts
On September 12 2014 09:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 09:40 Darkhorse wrote:On September 12 2014 09:31 argonautdice wrote:On September 12 2014 08:49 Saechiis wrote:On September 12 2014 07:48 negativedge wrote:
I like how region locking is having the exact opposite of its intended effect
then again, most of these players won't even find foreign teams to play on. and certainly they won't find foreign teams willing to pay them a salary commensurate with what they were making in kespa What makes you think region lock has anything to do with it? Their contracts are just expiring around this time. It doesn't make sense to say Kespa pro's are leaving their teams because it's become harder to play abroad. If anyhting it suggests they've been planning on leaving for a while and haven't changed their minds with the WCS changes. A happened. Then B happened a few days after. A must have caused B, no matter how ridiculous the logic is XD Post hoc ergo propter hoc! Someone watches the West Wing.
Also big bang theory when they were coming back from Arctic?
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what's with kespa pros leaving in pairs? hydra left along with effort...
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your Country52797 Posts
On September 12 2014 15:44 Advantageous wrote:
what's with kespa pros leaving in pairs? hydra left along with effort...
We had a trio leave SKT
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Meanwhile, my homeboy INnoVation is going back to Kespa.
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I'm not sure for WHY this is happening, perhaps it's good will, no judging..
BUT
I REAAAAAALLLLY hope that we get to see Proleague.. It's hands-down the best SC2 experience (when not being at work ) - at the highest level, and the games are the top-notch-best-possible quality..
Save Proleague
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I can understand that they all want to experience travel to foreign countries and what not, but all these sudden leavers are being wildly optimistic if they believe this is actually a better choice for their progaming careers. Winning bunches of foreign tournaments is NOT as easy as it sounds. Even the machine INnoVation didn't win any, despite coming close several times.
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EPT
