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lookfirewood
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September 06 2014 22:32 GMT
#341
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Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
September 07 2014 05:41 GMT
#342
On September 07 2014 02:50 brickrd wrote:
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On September 07 2014 02:46 Silvana wrote:
On September 07 2014 01:08 brickrd wrote:
On September 07 2014 01:04 Bagration wrote:
On September 06 2014 18:05 Shinta) wrote:
Cool story. Still can't respect him as much after selling out, but wish him the best regardless. He's a damn good player, and, back on a more fitting training regimen, I can see him showing us much better games in the near future.


No free lunches, man's got to make a living somehow. The biggest winners of SC2 have been those who recognized the opportunity outside of Korea and took the jump.

personally never understood the fixation with "respecting" people for only caring about level of competition. honestly being so obsessed and devoted over being the best that you ignore opportunities for profit, travel, adventure, fame etc. seems silly at best and pathetic at worst. why are we supposed to admire people who have nothing in their lives to care about but being good at starcraft? total respect to inno for doing whatever he wants


Don't respect it if you don't agree but don't say it's silly or pathetic either. As you say, people do what make them happy.

or i'll call it whatever i want? not sure what the point of your post is

Hypocrite much? lol....
He obviously wants to be the best, that's the whole point of this thread... The traveling and such he could have done in a PL team anyways, that's not an excuse anymore. This isn't 2012 and prior. He just jumped on the bandwagon to "leave for the land of opportunity".
If your passion is traveling, then do it, if you just want to make tons of money, there are better ways than SC2 to do that. If you want to be the best SC2 player like he wants to apparently, then there are more efficient ways to do that than joining a foreign team.

That's where my post is coming from.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 07 2014 16:25 GMT
#343
On September 07 2014 14:41 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 02:50 brickrd wrote:
On September 07 2014 02:46 Silvana wrote:
On September 07 2014 01:08 brickrd wrote:
On September 07 2014 01:04 Bagration wrote:
On September 06 2014 18:05 Shinta) wrote:
Cool story. Still can't respect him as much after selling out, but wish him the best regardless. He's a damn good player, and, back on a more fitting training regimen, I can see him showing us much better games in the near future.


No free lunches, man's got to make a living somehow. The biggest winners of SC2 have been those who recognized the opportunity outside of Korea and took the jump.

personally never understood the fixation with "respecting" people for only caring about level of competition. honestly being so obsessed and devoted over being the best that you ignore opportunities for profit, travel, adventure, fame etc. seems silly at best and pathetic at worst. why are we supposed to admire people who have nothing in their lives to care about but being good at starcraft? total respect to inno for doing whatever he wants


Don't respect it if you don't agree but don't say it's silly or pathetic either. As you say, people do what make them happy.

or i'll call it whatever i want? not sure what the point of your post is

Hypocrite much? lol....
He obviously wants to be the best, that's the whole point of this thread... The traveling and such he could have done in a PL team anyways, that's not an excuse anymore. This isn't 2012 and prior. He just jumped on the bandwagon to "leave for the land of opportunity".
If your passion is traveling, then do it, if you just want to make tons of money, there are better ways than SC2 to do that. If you want to be the best SC2 player like he wants to apparently, then there are more efficient ways to do that than joining a foreign team.

That's where my post is coming from.


Calling him a sellout is just kind of a silly exaggeration, is offensive to him, and is a prime example of being a negative member of this comunity. He has no obligation to any fan to stay in a Korean team house on a Korean team. He has no sacred obligation to God to practice SC2 in the most efficient way possible.

He would not be able to travel to nearly as many tournaments while with Kespa than he could with a foreign team. And while there are better ways to make money outside of SC2, he is a SC2 player, and is invested in this career for this portion of his life. An esports career is short and players are smart to seek as much money as possible, and save it.

Joining a foreign team and traveling, being admired by fans, being exposed to and seen by more foreign fans than otherwise possible, is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Being on a Korean team and practicing for 14 hours amounts to a pretty questionable lifestyle.

All told, he's not a sellout because he had legitimate non-monetary reasons to leave and had no obligation whatsoever to stay where he was (nor could there be a reasonable expectation from fans for him to stay there).
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