Lee 'INnoVation' Shin Hyung has left Team Acer. After a solid year on a foreign team, the 21-year-old Korean Terran has decided to return to a KeSPA team in order to achieve his dreams of a GSL title.
We were excited and honoured to hear that INnoVation wanted to play for our team, but we knew that the move brought challenges for both parties. He was young, 20 years old, and had been a part of the KeSPA environment for five years beforehand. He wanted to transition to a foreign team, attend more foreign tournaments and adopt a less regimented practice style - but these were all big differences from what he was used to.
While INnoVation brought great results for Team Acer in team leagues, he wasn't satisfied with his performance in individual leagues - he was hungry for another trophy, and finishing a premiere tournament in the top four or top eight didn't meet his high expectations.
After losing in the early rounds of Code S, he decided to focus on Korea and attend fewer foreign tournaments. That meant he spent less time traveling, and more time practicing, but he still found it harder to practice outside of the more regimented KeSPA team houses.
For this reason, INnoVation and the team came to a mutual agreement that it would be better for him to return to that environment, and leave Team Acer. We don't want to stand in the way of his dreams just so we can see him in more foreign tournaments.
We part ways as friends, and we will remember our time with INnoVation fondly. He is a kind and polite person, a true professional and of course a world-class StarCraft 2 player. We wish INnoVation the very best for the future, and we hope that he'll attain his goal of another GSL Code S championship!
Good to see him putting in the effort to try and be the best Terran in the world again, would've been easy for him to take an easy paycheck on another foreign team.
On September 03 2014 17:29 graNite wrote: i would like to see him on kt
Even though I really like Innovation as a player and I cheer for KT, I wouldn't actually like him to go there. KT already has a few terrans, while the other teams mainly have zergs and protoss (the whole ZvProleague thing). More TvT if he goes to another team :D
SKT doesn't need more mercenaries, cultivating younger players who were already on the team is the way to go. Look at how well Rain worked out for them and how well Zest worked out for KT.
On September 03 2014 17:25 velocitygirl wrote: Lee 'INnoVation' Shin Hyung has left Team Acer. After a solid year on a foreign team, the 21-year-old Korean Terran has decided to return to a KeSPA team in order to achieve his dreams of another GSL title.
I wonder who will get him. KT has very solid terrans already, SKT is missing terran players, Samsung maybe. Prime really needs players but I don't think they can afford Innovation over those other teams:/
I smell something in the air. And it smells like Startale. It sounds funny, but they are a new Kespa team, they do need a strong Terran, and we do know them to be looking for roster additions at the moment.
Hm, would it be totally infeasible for a team like Acer to build up to a Kespa-like regimented environment? Surely Kespa would welcome Acer as a sponsor with open arms, but even if they didn't, it seems like there are enough free agents out there that they could set up a decent team.
On September 03 2014 17:50 Caihead wrote: I don't know why people want KT innovation, KT has a lack of zerg depth as it is and I don't want TY/Flash getting kicked off the line up.
No quartet in the world would result in Flash getting kicked off the line-up. ;p
On September 03 2014 17:25 velocitygirl wrote: Lee 'INnoVation' Shin Hyung has left Team Acer. After a solid year on a foreign team, the 21-year-old Korean Terran has decided to return to a KeSPA team in order to achieve his dreams of another GSL title.
He hasn't won GSL yet iirc
They're probably thinking of 2013 WCS Season 1 Finals. Which wasn't a GSL but given the huge confused mess WCS made with respect to GSLs it isn't entirely suprising that they got mixed up.
For a couple of month i waited for some news like this, but wasn't sure will it be Innovation or Taeja (sorry Liquid), or Polt. Someone from this trio must to join SKT. They got money, they got all services and need some terran with results and reputation.
I am not very surprised to be honest. Innovation never really fit into Team Acer. He doesn't fit in any foreign team. Just like every other player at the very top.
On September 03 2014 17:50 Caihead wrote: I don't know why people want KT innovation, KT has a lack of zerg depth as it is and I don't want TY/Flash getting kicked off the line up.
With Flash's recent performance and the status he (re-)gained among the community I don't see him anywhere near getting kicked off the line up. But I'd rather not have KT pick him up, Khan or SKT would be way better off contracting him.
On September 03 2014 17:57 coverpunch wrote: Hm, would it be totally infeasible for a team like Acer to build up to a Kespa-like regimented environment?
On September 03 2014 17:57 coverpunch wrote: Hm, would it be totally infeasible for a team like Acer to build up to a Kespa-like regimented environment?
Yes, lack of decent practice partners.
How are the Korean teams nowadays, do they still have the huge amount of b-teamers who serve as practice partners for the players on the a-team?
On September 03 2014 17:57 coverpunch wrote: Hm, would it be totally infeasible for a team like Acer to build up to a Kespa-like regimented environment?
Yes, lack of decent practice partners.
How are the Korean teams nowadays, do they still have the huge amount of b-teamers who serve as practice partners for the players on the a-team?
Theres basically 5 teams in Korea right now that are getting ridiculously stacked (SKT, KT, JinAir(8th Team), CJ and KHAN).
On September 03 2014 17:25 velocitygirl wrote: Lee 'INnoVation' Shin Hyung has left Team Acer. After a solid year on a foreign team, the 21-year-old Korean Terran has decided to return to a KeSPA team in order to achieve his dreams of another GSL title.
On September 03 2014 17:25 velocitygirl wrote: Lee 'INnoVation' Shin Hyung has left Team Acer. After a solid year on a foreign team, the 21-year-old Korean Terran has decided to return to a KeSPA team in order to achieve his dreams of another GSL title.
Man this is how you do it. I'm sure Inno had a great time with Acer and they part as friends. Very professional from Acer to respect his wishes and let him go . All the best to Inno, I'm sure he will do great things in Korea!
Now I wonder if other players will follow his example. Jaedong I am looking at you!
what do you mean with "another code S championship" hheh!
i think this is good news for sc2 and innovation. gogo Inno, back to the top i mean he is in the ro16 in Code S already. back to the very top is what i meant to say.
On September 03 2014 17:56 Circumstance wrote: I smell something in the air. And it smells like Startale. It sounds funny, but they are a new Kespa team, they do need a strong Terran, and we do know them to be looking for roster additions at the moment.
Head : actually such a star-player will demand a hefty salary, far beyond what Prime, MVP and i dare say CJ Entus can afford. Then KT and JinAir have good terrans already. Clearly he will be heading to SKT1, the richest team (someone said Real Madrid, they are right) with the biggest need for Terrans. Samsung is not really a possibility imho, because as seen with DH Moscow they're trying to cover the international scene as well, while Inno seems very committed to Korea only.
Best of luck to INnoVation. I really enjoyed following him @Acer and I will keep following his career wherever he decides to go. Any Kespa Team should be eager to pick him up. Quality player.
I also think there are enough free-agents on the market for Acer to find a proper replacement.
On September 03 2014 17:28 HuTSC2 wrote: Good to see him putting in the effort to try and be the best Terran in the world again, would've been easy for him to take an easy paycheck on another foreign team.
Why would he have gone to another foreign team when he just decided to leave Acer ...?
On September 03 2014 17:28 HuTSC2 wrote: Good to see him putting in the effort to try and be the best Terran in the world again, would've been easy for him to take an easy paycheck on another foreign team.
Why would he have gone to another foreign team when he just decided to leave Acer ...?
I think that's what he's saying, that he could have stayed at Acer, but decided to join a Kespa team.
I think SKT simply offers more then anyone else yet again. I could also see Samsung and CJ making a move, not so much KT or JinAir. Other teams I believe just cannot meet the salary expectations (although, who knows how big that Prime sponsorship really is).
On September 03 2014 19:22 Ammanas wrote: I think SKT simply offers more then anyone else yet again. I could also see Samsung and CJ making a move, not so much KT or JinAir. Other teams I believe just cannot meet the salary expectations (although, who knows how big that Prime sponsorship really is).
Even if Prime had the best offer, no-one - of Innovations calibre - would ever want to enter the team. They are the worst team in PL and even if you compare them to foreign teams they are just mediocre. My bet is on Khan. SKT might be the richest team but they are already pretty stacked and probably do not "need" another AAA player.
It would be foolish for SKT1 to not pick him up. They desperately need to sore up their terran lineup, and Innovation also brings the benefit of having a positive effect on Fantasy and BravO, potentially raising their levels as well.
I love Acer and they are one of my favorite teams with Scarlett, MMA and.. Innovation. Since these pick ups I have actually supported Acer by purchasing their products any time I could, and will keep doing so since they still have some of my favorite players and it's a great team. I wish Innovation the best of luck and I truly hope he can win the GSL
Unless they replace him with a big player, Acer won't be the massive mavorite to win ATC anymore. That's good for the tournament.
I wouldn't like seeing him on SKT. Yes the team lacks a Terran but the lineup is already ridiculous. It would be better for the competition if he joined Samsung I think so that the top 5 teams would be pretty even.
Dear and Innovation on the same team again? Please let this happen. Imo, Samsung would be the best fit for Innovation, as they are a borderline top team who lack a strong terran lineup. Although I wouldn't be surprised if SKT steal him .
AcerTRUE or Journey would be amazing! Even AcerTrap if Trap is looking for a foreign team (?).
On September 03 2014 20:06 AWalker9 wrote: It'd be cool if Acer picked up Journey he's been performing really well
Yeah, I'm surprised that no team picked up Journey yet, he's so good.
He also has a pretty decent fanbase because of his stream.
Also forgot about Myungsik who's also teamless and a good potential pickup for Acer. Depending on how much money they want to spend, I think Journey and Myungsik would be good for expanding their lineup in terms of race. TRUE is a boss though.
On September 03 2014 20:18 gneGne wrote: What is wrong with him going SKT1? They're the only team that really needs a good Terran. Maybe Samsung... just maybe.
I don't know, maybe it has something to do with their already stacked lineup? Maybe... just maybe
On September 03 2014 20:06 AWalker9 wrote: It'd be cool if Acer picked up Journey he's been performing really well
Yeah, I'm surprised that no team picked up Journey yet, he's so good.
He also has a pretty decent fanbase because of his stream.
Also forgot about Myungsik who's also teamless and a good potential pickup for Acer. Depending on how much money they want to spend, I think Journey and Myungsik would be good for expanding their lineup in terms of race. TRUE is a boss though.
On September 03 2014 20:06 AWalker9 wrote: It'd be cool if Acer picked up Journey he's been performing really well
Yeah, I'm surprised that no team picked up Journey yet, he's so good.
He also has a pretty decent fanbase because of his stream.
Also forgot about Myungsik who's also teamless and a good potential pickup for Acer. Depending on how much money they want to spend, I think Journey and Myungsik would be good for expanding their lineup in terms of race. TRUE is a boss though.
On September 03 2014 17:34 yoshi245 wrote: KT.Innovation please
They already have to excellent terran players - similarly Jin Air. SKT could use a terran but on the other hand they are so star stacked that my bet is either on CJ (Gumiho out - INno in) or maybe Samsung. I don't think he is really interested in getting into one of ex-eSF teams but that can always be his plan B.
I could definitely see this working out for him, but at the same time, I'm glad he had spent the past year with Acer. He really seemed genuinely happy with the team, and a lot more of his personality came out with them.
On September 03 2014 21:16 [F_]aths wrote: 'Innovation' is bogus. He should return to his former strength and destroy the dreams of many hopeful, yet foolish nerds.
He already did. The first nerd destroyed....idiot parting and his stalker blinking into marauders after getting extremely ahead
On September 03 2014 17:34 yoshi245 wrote: KT.Innovation please
They already have to excellent terran players - similarly Jin Air. SKT could use a terran but on the other hand they are so star stacked that my bet is either on CJ (Gumiho out - INno in) or maybe Samsung. I don't think he is really interested in getting into one of ex-eSF teams but that can always be his plan B.
KT and Jin Air would be best because they have excellent terran players, it shows that their terran practice regime is the best, this way Innovation would get the best possible practice enviroment and able to talk about strategies and tactics with the best terrans in the world atm.
I really wish he joins PRIME since they're looking for some good players and lost the backbone of their terran play Atleast alot of look to you Inno gogogo :D
On September 03 2014 20:18 gneGne wrote: What is wrong with him going SKT1? They're the only team that really needs a good Terran. Maybe Samsung... just maybe.
If he joins SKT he will see little play time because they already have a lot of star players. It's better for him to join a team where he can be their 1st or 2nd man... like Samsung ^.^
On September 03 2014 17:34 yoshi245 wrote: KT.Innovation please
They already have to excellent terran players - similarly Jin Air. SKT could use a terran but on the other hand they are so star stacked that my bet is either on CJ (Gumiho out - INno in) or maybe Samsung. I don't think he is really interested in getting into one of ex-eSF teams but that can always be his plan B.
I'd like to see him go to CJ or Samsung, like you said. There's almost not point in SKT buying Innovation with their lineup anyway, since they already have enough star players to (theoretically) shred through the regular season of PL.
On September 03 2014 17:34 yoshi245 wrote: KT.Innovation please
They already have to excellent terran players - similarly Jin Air. SKT could use a terran but on the other hand they are so star stacked that my bet is either on CJ (Gumiho out - INno in) or maybe Samsung. I don't think he is really interested in getting into one of ex-eSF teams but that can always be his plan B.
I'd like to see him go to CJ or Samsung, like you said. There's almost not point in SKT buying Innovation with their lineup anyway, since they already have enough star players to (theoretically) shred through the regular season of PL.
And what about Inno in -> Parting out? That would probably make sense! (I would say Classic out, but I imagine Parting's salary would be much closer to what Inno requires).
I would kill to see Samsung.Innovation. Not only because I'm a huge Samsung fanboy but because that would mean he could still stream. I'm thinking CJ is more likely though, after dropping TRUE and gumiho
On September 03 2014 23:00 padiseal2 wrote: I would kill to see Samsung.Innovation. Not only because I'm a huge Samsung fanboy but because that would mean he could still stream. I'm thinking CJ is more likely though, after dropping TRUE and gumiho
On September 03 2014 17:34 yoshi245 wrote: KT.Innovation please
They already have to excellent terran players - similarly Jin Air. SKT could use a terran but on the other hand they are so star stacked that my bet is either on CJ (Gumiho out - INno in) or maybe Samsung. I don't think he is really interested in getting into one of ex-eSF teams but that can always be his plan B.
I'd like to see him go to CJ or Samsung, like you said. There's almost not point in SKT buying Innovation with their lineup anyway, since they already have enough star players to (theoretically) shred through the regular season of PL.
And what about Inno in -> Parting out? That would probably make sense! (I would say Classic out, but I imagine Parting's salary would be much closer to what Inno requires).
On September 03 2014 20:06 AWalker9 wrote: It'd be cool if Acer picked up Journey he's been performing really well
Yeah, I'm surprised that no team picked up Journey yet, he's so good.
He also has a pretty decent fanbase because of his stream.
Also forgot about Myungsik who's also teamless and a good potential pickup for Acer. Depending on how much money they want to spend, I think Journey and Myungsik would be good for expanding their lineup in terms of race. TRUE is a boss though.
Don't SKT and KT have already enough good players to perform well in proleague? Why would they spend a lot of money to buy another one? Personally I would love it if a INnoVationPrime was to happen, although unlikely.
On September 03 2014 23:41 KingAlphard wrote: Don't SKT and KT have already enough good players to perform well in proleague? Why would they spend a lot of money to buy another one? Personally I would love it if a INnoVationPrime was to happen, although unlikely.
I would guess hes going to CJ, Samsung or Jin Air. It makes no sense to put him on SKT, he'd probably never get used and KT already has 2 fantastic terrans.
there's no way KT buy him. He'd probably still bench warm on SKT even though they need a top tier terran (RIP Jung Myung Hoon). CJ is the most likely after the loss of Gumiho
So happy about this news, top koreans and foreign teams to not go well together, got the most part. With Flash in top form and Dear starting to play well again, my faith in SC2 is being renewed! Now if only Jaedong could start winning..
Well inno is a beast but not a specialist in preparing maps. So he will either learn and will be just unbeatable, or he will stay in top 8 but not top 2 and will be a strong proleague asset but no TY.
On September 04 2014 00:23 hfsrj wrote: Well inno is a beast but not a specialist in preparing maps. So he will either learn and will be just unbeatable, or he will stay in top 8 but not top 2 and will be a strong proleague asset but no TY.
Innovation + Teamleagues = Success
He was the biggest factor why STX was able to win PL
On September 03 2014 23:41 KingAlphard wrote: Don't SKT and KT have already enough good players to perform well in proleague? Why would they spend a lot of money to buy another one? Personally I would love it if a INnoVationPrime was to happen, although unlikely.
I would guess hes going to CJ, Samsung or Jin Air. It makes no sense to put him on SKT, he'd probably never get used and KT already has 2 fantastic terrans.
KT has TY and Flash yes.
SKT though has absolutely no terran which is not viable in the current state of the game. So it'll be in fact very logical for them to recruit Innovation. Not mentionning that only Rain and Soo are good enough to be used every game, behind them classic, soulkey and parting are not that reliable (as shown in the PL finals). Last, if Innovation comes back at his top, he will be on par with Rain and Soo to become the ace of the team.
Samsung also could use an extra terran, cause reality is not that strong.
On the other hand CJ and Jin AIr have plenty of top tier terrans and don't need to add Innovation.
On September 04 2014 00:23 hfsrj wrote: Well inno is a beast but not a specialist in preparing maps. So he will either learn and will be just unbeatable, or he will stay in top 8 but not top 2 and will be a strong proleague asset but no TY.
Innovation + Teamleagues = Success
He was the biggest factor why STX was able to win PL
It was becose of hellbats . every terran was winning back then not only innovation. Imo Innovation will just be the same , no improvement overall. Imo It dosen't matter where you train, it only matters how hard you train and how much you want to win.
On September 04 2014 00:23 hfsrj wrote: Well inno is a beast but not a specialist in preparing maps. So he will either learn and will be just unbeatable, or he will stay in top 8 but not top 2 and will be a strong proleague asset but no TY.
Innovation + Teamleagues = Success
He was the biggest factor why STX was able to win PL
It was becose of hellbats . every terran was winning back then not only innovation. Imo Innovation will just be the same , no improvement overall. Imo It dosen't matter where you train, it only matters how hard you train and how much you want to win.
Ahem? you have missed how good INnoVation was playing until STX disbanded, he was not just another terran he was just dominating everybody, especially in teamleagues.
I know this may sound weird, but I don't really see Innovation going to KT/SKT. They are already stacked and have more than enough talent, and I'm sure he wants to go a team where he is their ace. That being said, both teams could use him(KT's terran lineup would rival Slayers in their prime, and people would have to practice all 3 matchups vs SKT). Realistically, Samsung would be the best fit for him IMO. Would reunite him with Dear, he would have decent practice partners(unlike Prime for example) and he would definitely be their best player. Would give them a nice starting 4 of Inno/Dear/Roro/Stork.
On September 03 2014 23:41 KingAlphard wrote: Don't SKT and KT have already enough good players to perform well in proleague? Why would they spend a lot of money to buy another one? Personally I would love it if a INnoVationPrime was to happen, although unlikely.
I would guess hes going to CJ, Samsung or Jin Air. It makes no sense to put him on SKT, he'd probably never get used and KT already has 2 fantastic terrans.
Does Jin Air really need another star Terran player? They already have Maru.
On September 04 2014 00:23 hfsrj wrote: Well inno is a beast but not a specialist in preparing maps. So he will either learn and will be just unbeatable, or he will stay in top 8 but not top 2 and will be a strong proleague asset but no TY.
Innovation + Teamleagues = Success
He was the biggest factor why STX was able to win PL
It was becose of hellbats . every terran was winning back then not only innovation. Imo Innovation will just be the same , no improvement overall. Imo It dosen't matter where you train, it only matters how hard you train and how much you want to win.
Yeh, thats why he was doing really well with infestor broodlord in the background.
I think this is a good move for Innovation. The foreign scene is very tempting, I'm sure, but someone like Inno belongs on a Kespa team imo. I think the structure of a Kespa team house suits him well.
On September 04 2014 02:01 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm glad it was so mutual.
I think Acer was just really happy to have had the chance to have Innovation on their roster for a year. Acer picking up Innovation was really a turning point for the team. It was a huge surprise when it was announced that Innovation, at that point the most dominant player of HotS, was joining the relatively underdog Acer squad.
Plus, with Innovation Acer was able to win two ATC titles and a GSTL title with Axiom, not to mention the elevated brand recognition.
On September 03 2014 23:41 KingAlphard wrote: Don't SKT and KT have already enough good players to perform well in proleague? Why would they spend a lot of money to buy another one? Personally I would love it if a INnoVationPrime was to happen, although unlikely.
I would guess hes going to CJ, Samsung or Jin Air. It makes no sense to put him on SKT, he'd probably never get used and KT already has 2 fantastic terrans.
Does Jin Air really need another star Terran player? They already have Maru.
Yep, he needs a kespa environment to be good. I was telling people all last year that he would decline in skill once he joined a foreign team, he is a sellout and now that he got some more cash hes back to the grind.
Damn, I guess they don't call him RoBogus (robot + Bogus?) for nothing...
Keep hearing about Koreans that want a foreign team so they can (slack off and) go to foreigner tournaments...Inno on the other hand has had enough of that and wants to go back to Kespa strictness lol
On September 04 2014 03:36 jubil wrote: Damn, I guess they don't call him RoBogus (robot + Bogus?) for nothing...
Keep hearing about Koreans that want a foreign team so they can (slack off and) go to foreigner tournaments...Inno on the other hand has had enough of that and wants to go back to Kespa strictness lol
I'm very impressed with his determination. I don't think that Inno's foreigner experience has been lackluster. The only better Korean-turned-foreigner in results has probably been MC. Glad he's set himself the goal and is sticking to it.
EDIT - forgot about Taeja/HerO but in many ways you could say they found their success after Korea, not before.
I hope Acer is going to fill this gap now. For INnoVation I think it is a good step to intensify his training workload and climb to the top again! INnoVationPrime incoming.. but I think Samsung would be more realisitc.
Wow I have a lot of respect for somebody who would give up a cushy life in europe in order to return to a brutal regimen just for a chance to become the best
I think he will probably join CJ or Khan, both of them have relatively cheap rosters compared to previous years and we know they are both looking for new acquisitions.
On September 04 2014 05:11 fishjie wrote: Wow I have a lot of respect for somebody who would give up a cushy life in europe in order to return to a brutal regimen just for a chance to become the best
I feel the same way.. but let`s not forget about Dear.. he did the same.
Now Team Acer has a spot which can be filled by a player. Silly Season is real. I give Team Acer a shot for Pigbaby. That would give them a Protos, finally.
On September 04 2014 06:55 Clonester wrote: Now Team Acer has a spot which can be filled by a player. Silly Season is real. I give Team Acer a shot for Pigbaby. That would give them a Protos, finally.
Ooh, that would be reasonable. He left KeSPA and wants a foreign team. He also clearly shows some form of ability, since he won a WCS.
I think the bigger news here is Acer potentially signing another top player to replace him, some lucky korean nerd's dreams of a high end foreign team are about to come true?
On September 04 2014 09:16 Jenia6109 wrote: Firstly Dear, now Innovation. Jaedong should be third. Then Bisu and JangBi and life will become perfect
Even as a person with no sentimental connections to BW at all, I really miss JangBi. When he rose to be Samsung's ace during Proleague in 2013 he won my support.
I really do like Acer, and I like Acer.INoVation even more. But I do think he's born and raised for a kespa team. I mean his prime was during STX and I feel like he thrives on structure and discipline, not talking shit on Acer but there's no denying that kespa would do those things better.
It's kinda sad for acer, but god damn will it be fun to see Ino back in Korea!
On September 04 2014 10:02 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: I'd like to see him go to SKT purely so that there's more excuse for FanTaSy to retire and play BW again! :D
I hope SKT1 picks them up they need a good Terran he would be perfect for them and make their lineup even more stacked than it already is please pick him up SKT1
On September 04 2014 10:27 InExcelsis wrote: I hope SKT1 picks them up they need a good Terran he would be perfect for them and make their lineup even more stacked than it already is please pick him up SKT1
If they pick up Innovation, they're probably too stacked to be real.
On September 04 2014 10:27 InExcelsis wrote: I hope SKT1 picks them up they need a good Terran he would be perfect for them and make their lineup even more stacked than it already is please pick him up SKT1
If they pick up Innovation, they're probably too stacked to be real.
Easy 2014-2015 champions right there.
Everyone said the same thing at the beginning this year and.... muahahahahah
On September 04 2014 10:27 InExcelsis wrote: I hope SKT1 picks them up they need a good Terran he would be perfect for them and make their lineup even more stacked than it already is please pick him up SKT1
If they pick up Innovation, they're probably too stacked to be real.
Easy 2014-2015 champions right there.
Everyone said the same thing at the beginning this year and.... muahahahahah
Play-offs KT effect. Literally impossible to predict.
On September 03 2014 17:31 ZAiNs wrote: Now all we need is Jaedong to follow suit .
With his ever dwindling performance, he does need to do something. But I guess he's already all too comfortable in EG now. Maybe when Huk finally take over his place as EG's ace, he will start to think about doing something different
Anyway, good luck to Acer and Innovation. Please don't join team that already has good terrans!
On September 03 2014 17:31 ZAiNs wrote: Now all we need is Jaedong to follow suit .
With his ever dwindling performance, he does need to do something. But I guess he's already all too comfortable in EG now. Maybe when Huk finally take over his place as EG's ace, he will start to think about doing something different
Anyway, good luck to Acer and Innovation. Please don't join team that already has good terrans!
It's questionable whether his team is the reason for his "dwindling performance", considering the success he has had over the course of being an EG member.
On September 03 2014 17:31 ZAiNs wrote: Now all we need is Jaedong to follow suit .
With his ever dwindling performance, he does need to do something. But I guess he's already all too comfortable in EG now. Maybe when Huk finally take over his place as EG's ace, he will start to think about doing something different
Anyway, good luck to Acer and Innovation. Please don't join team that already has good terrans!
It's questionable whether his team is the reason for his "dwindling performance", considering the success he has had over the course of being an EG member.
People seem to forget that Jaedong was arguably the player of 2013.
On September 03 2014 17:31 ZAiNs wrote: Now all we need is Jaedong to follow suit .
With his ever dwindling performance, he does need to do something. But I guess he's already all too comfortable in EG now. Maybe when Huk finally take over his place as EG's ace, he will start to think about doing something different
Anyway, good luck to Acer and Innovation. Please don't join team that already has good terrans!
It's questionable whether his team is the reason for his "dwindling performance", considering the success he has had over the course of being an EG member.
Not the cause for bad performance, but I think having a good team certainly gives you better training and thus helps to achieve good results.
(By team I mean a group of people that actually work as a team, not just sharing sponsors.)
On September 03 2014 17:31 ZAiNs wrote: Now all we need is Jaedong to follow suit .
With his ever dwindling performance, he does need to do something. But I guess he's already all too comfortable in EG now. Maybe when Huk finally take over his place as EG's ace, he will start to think about doing something different
Anyway, good luck to Acer and Innovation. Please don't join team that already has good terrans!
It's questionable whether his team is the reason for his "dwindling performance", considering the success he has had over the course of being an EG member.
People seem to forget that Jaedong was arguably the player of 2013.
No he wasn't, he did well in some easy tournaments, and got 2nd at Blizzcon. You're forgetting how bad he did in Proleague and how he lost maps to people like Drunkenboi and even got 2-0d by theognis (who retired a short while after) in WCS AM Challenger but didn't go out because of how forgiving WCS AM was.
On September 03 2014 17:31 ZAiNs wrote: Now all we need is Jaedong to follow suit .
With his ever dwindling performance, he does need to do something. But I guess he's already all too comfortable in EG now. Maybe when Huk finally take over his place as EG's ace, he will start to think about doing something different
Anyway, good luck to Acer and Innovation. Please don't join team that already has good terrans!
It's questionable whether his team is the reason for his "dwindling performance", considering the success he has had over the course of being an EG member.
People seem to forget that Jaedong was arguably the player of 2013.
No he wasn't, he did well in some easy tournaments, and got 2nd at Blizzcon. You're forgetting how bad he did in Proleague and how he lost maps to people like Drunkenboi and even got 2-0d by theognis (who retired a short while after) in WCS AM Challenger but didn't go out because of how forgiving WCS AM was.
The number of 2nd place finishes he had at foreign tournaments outweighs one series against theognis and one map against Drunkenboi. Saying he lost a map to Drunkenboi in support of your argument is not very intelligent sorry to tell you.
On September 03 2014 17:31 ZAiNs wrote: Now all we need is Jaedong to follow suit .
With his ever dwindling performance, he does need to do something. But I guess he's already all too comfortable in EG now. Maybe when Huk finally take over his place as EG's ace, he will start to think about doing something different
Anyway, good luck to Acer and Innovation. Please don't join team that already has good terrans!
It's questionable whether his team is the reason for his "dwindling performance", considering the success he has had over the course of being an EG member.
People seem to forget that Jaedong was arguably the player of 2013.
No he wasn't, he did well in some easy tournaments, and got 2nd at Blizzcon. You're forgetting how bad he did in Proleague and how he lost maps to people like Drunkenboi and even got 2-0d by theognis (who retired a short while after) in WCS AM Challenger but didn't go out because of how forgiving WCS AM was.
To become one of the best you have to practice with the best. Kespa are the best generally speaking so its a good move if he really wants to get to back to winning. Without the structure and practice regimen no one will really do it the same on their own. On a kespa team he will.
On September 06 2014 02:30 GumBa wrote: I wonder if he has a team already lined up hm..
I imagine getting GSL Ro8 and still performing pretty decently shouldn't make it too hard for him to find a team
Well yeah it shouldnt be hard but I wonder if he already has a team in the works kinda like Dear with samsung. Hope they dont take to long to announce it.
On September 06 2014 02:30 GumBa wrote: I wonder if he has a team already lined up hm..
I imagine getting GSL Ro8 and still performing pretty decently shouldn't make it too hard for him to find a team
Well yeah it shouldnt be hard but I wonder if he already has a team in the works kinda like Dear with samsung. Hope they dont take to long to announce it.
I would imagine he does already have something in the works. Just please god don't make it SKT or to a lesser extent KT
On September 06 2014 02:30 GumBa wrote: I wonder if he has a team already lined up hm..
I imagine getting GSL Ro8 and still performing pretty decently shouldn't make it too hard for him to find a team
Well yeah it shouldnt be hard but I wonder if he already has a team in the works kinda like Dear with samsung. Hope they dont take to long to announce it.
I would imagine he does already have something in the works. Just please god don't make it SKT or to a lesser extent KT
Yeah.. I want him to be the ace of a team and carry them to another PL win!
Innovation on Samsung or CJ would be cool, as long as he's being paid well. I don't know if they can pay as much as skt/kt these days or what the deal is there.
On September 06 2014 02:30 GumBa wrote: I wonder if he has a team already lined up hm..
I imagine getting GSL Ro8 and still performing pretty decently shouldn't make it too hard for him to find a team
Well yeah it shouldnt be hard but I wonder if he already has a team in the works kinda like Dear with samsung. Hope they dont take to long to announce it.
I would imagine he does already have something in the works. Just please god don't make it SKT or to a lesser extent KT
Yeah.. I want him to be the ace of a team and carry them to another PL win!
Just think of having this pl lineup though week in week out:
Cool story. Still can't respect him as much after selling out, but wish him the best regardless. He's a damn good player, and, back on a more fitting training regimen, I can see him showing us much better games in the near future.
SKT needs a Terran and will probably get rid of the guy with the most outgoing personality. If they get Innovation, they´ll go back to all robots all the time.
On September 06 2014 18:05 Shinta) wrote: Cool story. Still can't respect him as much after selling out, but wish him the best regardless. He's a damn good player, and, back on a more fitting training regimen, I can see him showing us much better games in the near future.
No free lunches, man's got to make a living somehow. The biggest winners of SC2 have been those who recognized the opportunity outside of Korea and took the jump.
On September 06 2014 18:05 Shinta) wrote: Cool story. Still can't respect him as much after selling out, but wish him the best regardless. He's a damn good player, and, back on a more fitting training regimen, I can see him showing us much better games in the near future.
No free lunches, man's got to make a living somehow. The biggest winners of SC2 have been those who recognized the opportunity outside of Korea and took the jump.
personally never understood the fixation with "respecting" people for only caring about level of competition. honestly being so obsessed and devoted over being the best that you ignore opportunities for profit, travel, adventure, fame etc. seems silly at best and pathetic at worst. why are we supposed to admire people who have nothing in their lives to care about but being good at starcraft? total respect to inno for doing whatever he wants
On September 06 2014 18:05 Shinta) wrote: Cool story. Still can't respect him as much after selling out, but wish him the best regardless. He's a damn good player, and, back on a more fitting training regimen, I can see him showing us much better games in the near future.
No free lunches, man's got to make a living somehow. The biggest winners of SC2 have been those who recognized the opportunity outside of Korea and took the jump.
personally never understood the fixation with "respecting" people for only caring about level of competition. honestly being so obsessed and devoted over being the best that you ignore opportunities for profit, travel, adventure, fame etc. seems silly at best and pathetic at worst. why are we supposed to admire people who have nothing in their lives to care about but being good at starcraft? total respect to inno for doing whatever he wants
Don't respect it if you don't agree but don't say it's silly or pathetic either. As you say, people do what make them happy.
On September 06 2014 18:05 Shinta) wrote: Cool story. Still can't respect him as much after selling out, but wish him the best regardless. He's a damn good player, and, back on a more fitting training regimen, I can see him showing us much better games in the near future.
No free lunches, man's got to make a living somehow. The biggest winners of SC2 have been those who recognized the opportunity outside of Korea and took the jump.
personally never understood the fixation with "respecting" people for only caring about level of competition. honestly being so obsessed and devoted over being the best that you ignore opportunities for profit, travel, adventure, fame etc. seems silly at best and pathetic at worst. why are we supposed to admire people who have nothing in their lives to care about but being good at starcraft? total respect to inno for doing whatever he wants
Don't respect it if you don't agree but don't say it's silly or pathetic either. As you say, people do what make them happy.
or i'll call it whatever i want? not sure what the point of your post is
On September 06 2014 18:05 Shinta) wrote: Cool story. Still can't respect him as much after selling out, but wish him the best regardless. He's a damn good player, and, back on a more fitting training regimen, I can see him showing us much better games in the near future.
No free lunches, man's got to make a living somehow. The biggest winners of SC2 have been those who recognized the opportunity outside of Korea and took the jump.
personally never understood the fixation with "respecting" people for only caring about level of competition. honestly being so obsessed and devoted over being the best that you ignore opportunities for profit, travel, adventure, fame etc. seems silly at best and pathetic at worst. why are we supposed to admire people who have nothing in their lives to care about but being good at starcraft? total respect to inno for doing whatever he wants
Don't respect it if you don't agree but don't say it's silly or pathetic either. As you say, people do what make them happy.
or i'll call it whatever i want? not sure what the point of your post is
On September 06 2014 18:05 Shinta) wrote: Cool story. Still can't respect him as much after selling out, but wish him the best regardless. He's a damn good player, and, back on a more fitting training regimen, I can see him showing us much better games in the near future.
No free lunches, man's got to make a living somehow. The biggest winners of SC2 have been those who recognized the opportunity outside of Korea and took the jump.
personally never understood the fixation with "respecting" people for only caring about level of competition. honestly being so obsessed and devoted over being the best that you ignore opportunities for profit, travel, adventure, fame etc. seems silly at best and pathetic at worst. why are we supposed to admire people who have nothing in their lives to care about but being good at starcraft? total respect to inno for doing whatever he wants
Don't respect it if you don't agree but don't say it's silly or pathetic either. As you say, people do what make them happy.
or i'll call it whatever i want? not sure what the point of your post is
Hypocrite much? lol.... He obviously wants to be the best, that's the whole point of this thread... The traveling and such he could have done in a PL team anyways, that's not an excuse anymore. This isn't 2012 and prior. He just jumped on the bandwagon to "leave for the land of opportunity". If your passion is traveling, then do it, if you just want to make tons of money, there are better ways than SC2 to do that. If you want to be the best SC2 player like he wants to apparently, then there are more efficient ways to do that than joining a foreign team.
On September 06 2014 18:05 Shinta) wrote: Cool story. Still can't respect him as much after selling out, but wish him the best regardless. He's a damn good player, and, back on a more fitting training regimen, I can see him showing us much better games in the near future.
No free lunches, man's got to make a living somehow. The biggest winners of SC2 have been those who recognized the opportunity outside of Korea and took the jump.
personally never understood the fixation with "respecting" people for only caring about level of competition. honestly being so obsessed and devoted over being the best that you ignore opportunities for profit, travel, adventure, fame etc. seems silly at best and pathetic at worst. why are we supposed to admire people who have nothing in their lives to care about but being good at starcraft? total respect to inno for doing whatever he wants
Don't respect it if you don't agree but don't say it's silly or pathetic either. As you say, people do what make them happy.
or i'll call it whatever i want? not sure what the point of your post is
Hypocrite much? lol.... He obviously wants to be the best, that's the whole point of this thread... The traveling and such he could have done in a PL team anyways, that's not an excuse anymore. This isn't 2012 and prior. He just jumped on the bandwagon to "leave for the land of opportunity". If your passion is traveling, then do it, if you just want to make tons of money, there are better ways than SC2 to do that. If you want to be the best SC2 player like he wants to apparently, then there are more efficient ways to do that than joining a foreign team.
That's where my post is coming from.
Calling him a sellout is just kind of a silly exaggeration, is offensive to him, and is a prime example of being a negative member of this comunity. He has no obligation to any fan to stay in a Korean team house on a Korean team. He has no sacred obligation to God to practice SC2 in the most efficient way possible.
He would not be able to travel to nearly as many tournaments while with Kespa than he could with a foreign team. And while there are better ways to make money outside of SC2, he is a SC2 player, and is invested in this career for this portion of his life. An esports career is short and players are smart to seek as much money as possible, and save it.
Joining a foreign team and traveling, being admired by fans, being exposed to and seen by more foreign fans than otherwise possible, is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Being on a Korean team and practicing for 14 hours amounts to a pretty questionable lifestyle.
All told, he's not a sellout because he had legitimate non-monetary reasons to leave and had no obligation whatsoever to stay where he was (nor could there be a reasonable expectation from fans for him to stay there).
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