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avilo
United States4100 Posts
Overall though nice thread about the new hosting feature. It can be good or bad depending on how you look at it or want to use it. Personally, i think it's pretty lame because it inflate's a person's viewer count to something that is not really their own, nor was produced through their own hard work. But that is just my opinion as a streamer, and it probably is not a common one because people like the cheap and easy way to fame/views. | ||
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
On August 20 2014 00:14 avilo wrote: But that is just my opinion as a streamer, and it probably is not a common one because people like the cheap and easy way to fame/views. Thanks, I was in dire need of a good bit of irony. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On August 20 2014 00:51 Broodwurst wrote: Thanks, I was in dire need of a good bit of irony. avilo rationalizes massive amounts of people pitying his attitude by trying to categorize them all as "a circlejerk" or "esports illuminati". its classic paranoid behavior, everyone is out to get him as some kind of conspiratorial butt buddy bonanza, it cant possibly be that many many people independently find him unappealing for many reasons nice writeup, as always basetrade is very proactive in trying to promote the scene and raise involvement and awareness, but that said i cant agree with the twitch culture apologia - i understand basetrade thrives on that sort of thing so it only makes sense businesswise to appeal to the lowest common denominator, but if disallowing unfunny repetitive crap posts on TL means rifkin posting less, i'm fine with that, he can just keep doing the great job he does offsite even if he doesnt post much  im glad TL has that attitude toward memes | ||
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
On August 20 2014 00:55 brickrd wrote: avilo rationalizes massive amounts of people pitying his attitude by trying to categorize them all as "a circlejerk" or "esports illuminati". its classic paranoid behavior, everyone is out to get him as some kind of conspiratorial butt buddy bonanza, it cant possibly be that many many people independently find him unappealing for many reasons That was rather aimed at him profiting a lot from a gimmick (his annoying personality), aka a "cheap and easy way to fame/views." | ||
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partouf
Netherlands405 Posts
If you /host someone (you can test it yourself as a normal twitch user, go to your own user's channel and type in something like /host wcs_europe) - your channel needs to be Offline, which means, that even if you're hosting another channel, you will still be offline and Not listed on the Twitch live directory. So basically you can only use it to direct your viewers to watch something else After you've broadcasted something yourself, or if you have an amazing chat community (ie. Basetradetv) you can hint people to watch something through your channel by announcing it on Twitter for example. All the extra viewer count will only apply to the channel that's actually Live and broadcasting. (And as mentioned, all ad revenue, views, etc, will be to the Live channel, basically Everything Except Chat) | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On August 19 2014 16:59 opisska wrote: Are you really sure about this statement, or just seeing the world in your own eyes? Is it really the majority of SC2 fans, or just the majority of people you come around because, well, you are a significant part of the Twitch community itself? Maybe for the small personal streams, the percentage of viewers that care about the chat is large, but considering that very few streamers even cross a thousand viewers, this is still a pretty small number of people when compared to the 10.000s people watching major tournaments. In general, I think the twitch chat is greatly overrated, because it is just the part of viewers, that are easiest to hear and reach. I basically discovered your stream thanks to "the big one" that I randomly decided to watch as it was in the eventbar. I tuned in in a middle of a game and the game was interesting and the casting good, so I stayed. If I tuned in between games when you spend half the time talking about something related to twitch chat, I would probably quickly dismiss the stream as another twitch nonsense ... Moreover, looking and my own viewing habits, this does absolutely nothing for me. I watch only tourneys and when the games are finished, I usually turn it off rather quickly (almost anything except GSL runs quite deep into the night anyway for EU, so I hurry to sleep often). Even if they somehow manage to end streaming so quickly after the last games that I still have the player open when they host someone, I will likely turn it off the next second, if the target is not a stream I would watch anyway. As for me, I do not use twitch besides watching embedded streams via TL.net or Liquidhearth. That is not because I love TL.net that much (well, I do though), but more because whenever I watch on twitch.tv - it just feels sucky. The layout feels boring and clumpy, the design looks bad to my eyes, and the site does not have very good usability. Also, twitch chat is a cancer to every sane human being. Whenever a caster refers to common twitch stuff like "kappa", "peperino" (or whatever it is), I feel the instant urge to stop watching. I even did a few times - sorry to say that, but the "twitch talk" (among with that kind of american speak habit of rifkin) was a reason for me to absolutely dislike basetradetv. These days I do enjoy BTTV, you're doing great stuff, going more into the organizer side of things etc (well, I disabled adblock for your stream, that has to mean something, right?) and just providing a really entertaining but still somehow analysis influenced cast. Your efforts to the scene are great. Edit: for the sake of not wielding the "twitch chat sucks" hammer against basetradeTV only: I love Apollo's cast. Got him to sign some stuff on Gamescom 2013, and when he started to include those "pepperino" shits into his casts, I started to seriously dislike it. Thank god and the queen, he doesn't really use it anymore. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
You are a "B" streamer on a tournament (or it's a tournament B stream) and you are done with your casting. /host the main stream. You are a player on a team. You finish your streaming session, but a teammate is on. /host your teammate to boost your team's viewers and maybe keep some people on the team's streams. Or "community"/group type channels, e.g. snipealot /hosts to a different BW stream when someone goes offline. Something like WCS diverting viewers to Minigun (or any individual player) would be rather dodgy, because it's the official SC2 tournament/stream, and so that sort of thing might be a problem (but /hosting to another running tournament once the day is over might be reasonable, since it's likely to be Blizzard sanctioned). Similarly WCS EU /hosting to WCS AM when they are running one after the other (like tournament A/B streams). | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On August 20 2014 00:14 avilo wrote: "Avilo subs" are pretty active in tourney chats from what i've seen, i'm surprised other streamer's subscribers aren't as active as well, but perhaps they don't have as awesome/fun emoticons to use or something :D oh, and nice try, but "avilo subs" never spew garbage, only gold, this site is not reddit, if you want to start anti-stream circlejerks or continue on hate trains post this on reddit instead. Overall though nice thread about the new hosting feature. It can be good or bad depending on how you look at it or want to use it. Personally, i think it's pretty lame because it inflate's a person's viewer count to something that is not really their own, nor was produced through their own hard work. But that is just my opinion as a streamer, and it probably is not a common one because people like the cheap and easy way to fame/views. My twitch chat improved immensely when I started using BetterTwitchTV to filter aviDoge and aviKungfu, no offense. | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On August 20 2014 06:48 Lonyo wrote:Something like WCS diverting viewers to Minigun (or any individual player) would be rather dodgy, because it's the official SC2 tournament/stream, and so that sort of thing might be a problem (but /hosting to another running tournament once the day is over might be reasonable, since it's likely to be Blizzard sanctioned). But honestly, this is exactly what would do the most good. Tournament viewing numbers are still high, but individual streamers could use a boost right now, and a lot of casual Twitch viewers would be more interested in an individual with 5-10k viewers who's playing a game they don't know much about than a tournament for that same game. There are ways to alleviate the conflict issue. You could have a WCS stream only host players from another region. Or players who had just competed in that day's group. Or only players whose groups had already concluded. Or only eliminated players. Or all manner of ways to avoid accusations of bias. I'm all for WCS hosting the Ascended Starcraft League or The Breakout Invitational, but to ignore individual players streaming is to miss out on a major growth opportunity, which is what I think Rifkin sees as the benefit of hosting in the first place. Sum of its parts and all that. | ||
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
Hosting is pretty cool, let the ties that bind grow even stronger! We're not number 1 anymore we have to stick together. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On August 19 2014 20:27 KadaverBB wrote: Yes, I destroyed Lichters sense of humor!  You monster! | ||
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jesseluke85
United States1 Post
1. Twitch has now opened up Power Leveling via hosting. It is important when considering on who to help that no one does anything without at least perceived value. IE: If your going to spend stream time helping SuperNova that does something for you in some shape or form. That also power levels in Twitch form SuperNova kinda like an MMO. 2. Trade smart. If your good at what you do you can have non-stop quality streams for you and and your viewers.(kind of like a tv network). Your buddies would have good mods and you have good mods, close to 24 hours of awesome content boost everyone. 3. First with the most win. Play the new game, but you better be good at it, and be first in the door with that completed product. Example of this would be Itunes and the Ipod vs Windows Media player and the Zune. I like your post and wish you the best ArmyHobbiT | ||
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AnythingThenDelete
381 Posts
1) They wouldn't have any control over what is stream, what is said, what music ( yeah easy one ) is play during the stream or anything. 2) Why would a stream with a good amount of viewer would take any risk of losing or dissapoiting anyone by hosting someone else ? They wouldn't really win anything. 3) I see too much conflicts. In your example WCS is hosting Minigun, let's take this one: - the guy is part of a team, does it mean WCS is giving exposure to this team in particular ? - why isn't WCS hosting my favorite mech player, or my favorite australian-zerg ? - if WCS had a sponsor and ROOT had their most vile rival, how would you deal with that ? Edit : the following seems false, I'm pretty I experienced it, I don't know why, ignore it more then. (((((((Last, very personnal ( so forget about it), I personnaly HATE when someone is showed as " online " I open the stream and encouter a complete random ( unless ofc I love this stranger, but this is a coin flip I don't think any "serious" companies should take).)))))))))))))) | ||
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aIUrJurai
2 Posts
Anyway just my opinion | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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partouf
Netherlands405 Posts
On August 21 2014 04:38 Gurderoy wrote: Last, very personnal ( so forget about it), I personnaly HATE when someone is showed as " online " I open the stream and encouter a complete random ( unless ofc I love this stranger, but this is a coin flip I don't think any "serious" companies should take). The stream that's /hosting another channel does NOT show up as Online. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24193 Posts
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Rathwirt
United States42 Posts
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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