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2014-2015 Proleague Plans Opening SPL to the world - Page 11

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Cool C
Profile Joined November 2011
United States69 Posts
August 19 2014 08:44 GMT
#201
Ill definitely say that when EGTL was in proleague, it was the season I watched the most. I love watching HerO play in proleague!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7KD6L23MUQ
Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
August 19 2014 08:45 GMT
#202
As much as I'd like it to be, I don't see how it is possible. How would you deal with travel expenses since this is clear that no team would be willing to sacrifice sendind their players to international tournaments?
Even the idea of an All star team is not realistic. You would need a coach to help players prepare etc.

Actually I would rather enjoy more a second star league, if Kespa is really wanting to invest into starcraft, and several stand alone tournaments like Kespa cup, or maybe an offseason tournament with a foreign team invited
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 08:50:39
August 19 2014 08:45 GMT
#203
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dracularulez
Profile Joined October 2012
Egypt9 Posts
August 19 2014 08:48 GMT
#204
ACER/YOEFW and let startale join as a solo team
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 19 2014 08:50 GMT
#205
Wow you said the S word t.t jeez.

Opening up to foreign teams doesn't seem a good idea due to the time of how long pro league is and how it does "effect" foreign tournaments. There is too much money involved for foreigners to play outside of Pro League. We had the same issue when EG TL joined up for SPL, they should never of finished as badly as they did but they were always travelling around to tournaments and didn't have the best players always there training hard with the coach.

Unless a foreign team takes it seriously and takes 6 months out of there year to do it full 100% then i can't see it being a success.
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Brian333
Profile Joined August 2010
657 Posts
August 19 2014 08:50 GMT
#206
After the EG-TL hype, disappointment, and Coach Park's interview about the state of the house and coaching when he got there vs. the normal standard for a team house, I'm very pessimistic about this working out. You commit way too much for way too little gain playing in PL.

It didn't work when SC2 was much more popular in the foreign scene. I don't see how it will work now.
Jj_82
Profile Joined December 2012
Swaziland419 Posts
August 19 2014 08:55 GMT
#207
There could be a foreigner all-star selection!
Once rode a waterslide with PartinG and TaeJa ✌
Quixotic_tv
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany130 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 08:57:04
August 19 2014 08:56 GMT
#208
Well, it's not an easy question to answer. My opinion is the following:

I do think inviting foreign teams is a good idea on paper. An All-Star team with e.g. JD, Taeja, MMA, Innovation, and MC would be thrilling.

But it has to be made sure that that team has the same conditions as the established PL teams.

They would need at least three things:
- Preparation (some months I guess)
- A capable coach.
- An own house (sitting with a rival team in one house is pointless imo)

Those aspects point to other requirements, like money. A coach has to be hired, a house has to be rent, players will have to miss (or even forfeit) a number of tournaments for the preparation.

So I think it would be thrilling, but hard to accomplish.
Life always finds a way.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 08:57:03
August 19 2014 08:56 GMT
#209
On August 19 2014 17:34 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 17:15 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On August 19 2014 17:10 Big J wrote:
On August 19 2014 17:05 FFW_Rude wrote:
Oh come on. Who can win a game against a woke up KT/SKT/SAMSUNG/JAINAIR ?

EG ? They have... Jeadong. That's all.
TL ? They have TaeJa. HerO showed us last time and in shoutcraft clan wars that he is NOT on the same level.
The rest... can win a game sometime but i doubt a player like Bunny can even compete with KassiA who have like 20% WR.

Acer havec Innovation and MMA. OK. That's 2 player. They have Scarlett. Yes ok she can win some of the matches as well. And then.. no.

And axiom is doing good but... They are not playing GSL,SPL opponents

But hey. Could be a booster for those teams.


qxc is going to allkill KT.


I don't think team depth and skill is too relevant in this. Prime was mopped last season, basically every round. They definitely aren't proleague champion contender but it shouldn't stop teams like Prime from entering if they can commit to the schedule. It'll be nice to see the exact skill gap between teams and players. With the different WCS regions, TLPD and Aigulac aren't too accurate in their assessment of skill gap, I believe what proleague is trying to do can help with this. Overall I can't see this as a bad thing. If you don't enjoy roflstomps, or lower level of play, you can always not watch it. We might even get more games per week! :D

Yeah, I dont like those skill arguments either. First of, I think at least Acer and Liquid are on a level with last seasons Prime and could most likely challenge teams like MVP or STIM .
And then you can always apply the argument that less teams is more quality. Still, I like my Bundesliga with noobteams such as Freiburg.


Well i like the skill argument because a 2hour SPL with 2 No match isn't fun to watch. What's fun is tension, rivalties and good play. (for me of course).

I believe TerrorPRIME could get some wins if ACER/Liquid was there. You can't challenge MVP anymore with their new recruits. STIM is... well it's ST+1 now. Startale will have their entire roster now too. And if Legend can pick Super, i doubt that even him who is not a regular player can destroy lesser teams.

But maybe i'm wrong, maybe the foreign team will succeed to focus on korea. But i don't feel that's possible. Too many foreigner missing their home, having to get a new life. Some could do well and adapt. But all of them ? Not sure. The Koreans of the team could be like a fish in water though.

About not watching low level of play, that's why i don't watch WCS . I know "low level" is harsh since those guys could beat me blindfolded. But you know what i mean
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
August 19 2014 08:56 GMT
#210
This season of PL was AWESOME. I really have high expectations of next season now

TL, Axiom, Acer and YFW.

These teams would be awesome to see in proleague in some form.

Guys chill down a bit, the original Kespa post said this:
On August 19 2014 17:17 Chuddinater wrote:
We are toying with the idea of opening Proleague to the world. If we did open up Proleague next year to all teams which teams would you be most excited to watch? Do you think if we allowed foreign teams to enter would it lower the competitive level or increase it?


They are not asking if you guys think it is financially possible for these teams to compete. They think it likely kespa can get them to compete, otherwise they would not mention this. You people probably don't know better than kespa the likelyhood of these teams playing in PL(unless you are TB).

I don't understand this stubborn foolishness of saying "EG-TL, lol don't do it"..... Well Prime did way worse than EG-TL did, maybe koreans teams shouldn't be allowed because "obvisouly they suck because one korean team once failed".
Stop this stupid idea that just because something failed once its impossible or pointless, if people like you guys ran the world nothing would ever be invented or improved because you would bloody well give up straight away.

Focus on the actual question being asked do we want PL open for foreign teams, if they fail hard they probably won't stay in it for the long haul anyway and if they are serious about putting in effort for PL I'm sure they could show results!
Foreign teams in PL would be awesome and I do not think it would lower the level of competiveness at all even though some teams might be weaker than others(which are already true today with korean teams).
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
August 19 2014 08:56 GMT
#211
So many people mention EG, I only see Jaedong left there as a player who could compete with the koreans?
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 19 2014 08:59 GMT
#212
On August 19 2014 17:35 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 17:09 Big J wrote:
On August 19 2014 16:56 JustPassingBy wrote:
On August 19 2014 16:53 Big J wrote:
On August 19 2014 16:52 JustPassingBy wrote:
Would be awesome to see foreigners in Proleague, but somehow I doubt that there will be many players willing to move to Korea and stay grounded there for an extended period of time. :-/


What if there were partner studios in Europe and America from which those teams were allowed to play?
Would be pretty awesome watching Proleague from Cologne with Liquid staying there.


That would be awesome, but would they be willing to do something like that?
I mean that would lessen the live viewing experience by quite a lot for the Korean audience, unless adding new teams would increase the number of games by so much that some have to be played without live audience.


I think the viewing experience could still be good for as long as the studios team up well in terms of production. But it would be very different I guess, if there was only one team at the place you watch from or sometimes even none.

I think more teams would be cooler. Increase the uniqueness and importance of the "big matches", instead of the monthly KT vs SKT match.


Come to think of it, I don't think any team will stand a chance unless they are "grounded" in Korea and focus solely on Proleague like their competitors do. If there is any addition to Proleague, I wish it would be a team who at least is able to put up a little fight. :-/


I think an Acer-lineup of INnoVation-MMA-Scarlett-Nerchio-Bly and a Liquid-lineup of Taeja-HerO-Snute-Bunny-TLO can take on something Startale like Life-Curious-Hack-Panic-Pet and whatever Prime and MVP may come up with for next season, not to mention whatever happens with IM.
Morrissey
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Germany55 Posts
August 19 2014 09:02 GMT
#213
Acer in Proleague would be so cool !
MarineKingPrime forever
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 09:04:23
August 19 2014 09:02 GMT
#214
If it's going to be Bo7, format, neither of foreign teams will survive the slaughter, if it's going to be bo5 on the other hand, i can see Acer or TL winning some games against likes of Startale/Prime/MVP.

+ If Proleague is going to return to 10-12 teams, it's going to be glorious by its own.

Also HerO is going to play with MVP, so it's not likely that TL will join.
But INnoVation and Jaedong have to play where they belong to.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
moochu
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia374 Posts
August 19 2014 09:08 GMT
#215
If you want an underdog team people can cheer for bring back airforce ace!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 19 2014 09:08 GMT
#216
On August 19 2014 18:08 moochu wrote:
If you want an underdog team people can cheer for bring back airforce ace!


That is assuming airforce ace wants to have a team in the first place... <.<
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
August 19 2014 09:09 GMT
#217
I think Team Liquid would do just fine with Taeja, Hero, Snute, Bunny and TLO.
Problem is I dont see them staying in Korea in a team house and playing their hearts out for pro league.
Skill wise I dont think they would do bad at all, I just dont see it happend.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
August 19 2014 09:09 GMT
#218
Bring back Fox.United
rly ?
Holloworb
Profile Joined November 2011
Norway345 Posts
August 19 2014 09:13 GMT
#219
I don`t know about the quality of the games, but I would absolutely love to see Team Liquid in Proleague! :D
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
August 19 2014 09:15 GMT
#220
Axiom plz.
Jaedong <3
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