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On August 19 2014 17:56 Shuffleblade wrote:This season of PL was AWESOME. I really have high expectations of next season now  TL, Axiom, Acer and YFW. These teams would be awesome to see in proleague in some form. Guys chill down a bit, the original Kespa post said this: Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 17:17 Chuddinater wrote:
We are toying with the idea of opening Proleague to the world. If we did open up Proleague next year to all teams which teams would you be most excited to watch? Do you think if we allowed foreign teams to enter would it lower the competitive level or increase it? They are not asking if you guys think it is financially possible for these teams to compete. They think it likely kespa can get them to compete, otherwise they would not mention this. You people probably don't know better than kespa the likelyhood of these teams playing in PL(unless you are TB). I don't understand this stubborn foolishness of saying "EG-TL, lol don't do it"..... Well Prime did way worse than EG-TL did, maybe koreans teams shouldn't be allowed because "obvisouly they suck because one korean team once failed". Stop this stupid idea that just because something failed once its impossible or pointless, if people like you guys ran the world nothing would ever be invented or improved because you would bloody well give up straight away. Focus on the actual question being asked do we want PL open for foreign teams, if they fail hard they probably won't stay in it for the long haul anyway and if they are serious about putting in effort for PL I'm sure they could show results! Foreign teams in PL would be awesome and I do not think it would lower the level of competiveness at all even though some teams might be weaker than others(which are already true today with korean teams).
Well, if it is about which team we want to watch, I think we pretty much agree on any foreign team that is willing to move its foreign player to Korea and focus solely on Proleague. Because otherwise they will have no chance at all. :-/
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I would like to see that.
The only question is,can foreign teams afford themselves to play proleague and do they have enough players in korea.They will probably have to "merge" like we saw in past.
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What about bringing one or two Proleague rounds or Playoffs to Europe or NA? That could decrease the burden on foreign teams in sending their players to Korea (to a degree of course) and increase KESPA's global reach.
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Proleague has really good viewership in China so could maybe see a team like Invictus Gaming participating.
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On August 19 2014 17:17 Chuddinater wrote:
I hope everyone has enjoyed this season of Proleague as much as we have. There were plenty of exciting matches and the finals will be an event I will remember for the rest of my life, especially FlaSh kicking the soccer ball with the names of the SKT players into the crowd.
Looking forward to the next season of Proleague we want to make it more exciting then it was this year. We are toying with the idea of opening Proleague to the world. If we did open up Proleague next year to all teams which teams would you be most excited to watch? Do you think if we allowed foreign teams to enter would it lower the competitive level or increase it?
Well Axiom for me obviously. I loved AxiomAcer in GSTL and I would fucking love to have Axiom in Proleague. ATC has been awesome but nothing beats a live team league.
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There are two seperate issues here I think.
1. The journeymen Koreans on foreign teams and new homes in other regions would only commit to competing in (and training for) Proleague if they would be able to make roughly the same amount of money when travelling to western tourneys. Even if it's a way bigger achievement to perform consistently in proleague most of these guys are past their competitive prime and want to rake in as much cash as they can before going to the military. That means that we, the viewers get much more entertaining games from them facing off against each other and strong foreigners, rather than getting roflstomped by KeSpa monsters each week. Yes, there are exceptions (Axiom has the smartest setup with the korean player base and TB-s beastly western media reach, notice that Acer also keep their players in KR).
Teams who currently house their players outside KR (Taiwanese teams might be ok I think, no jet lag, shorter/cheaper travels), would have to invest in housing and staff around 2-3 months before start of season ideally to hit the ground running.
2. The business models of most foreign teams suit travelling around the western individual tournament circuit and getting the sponsors on as many broadcast minutes as possible. Even though Proleague is the equivalent of the GSL in terms of competition quality, it doesn't match up to Dreamhack or IEM in terms of viewership and that makes it an unsound decision business-wise to restrict your players to this single team competition.
(I myself loved it when Taeja, JD, Snute, Huk, Stephano et al. gave Proleague a shot last year. I would also enjoy an all-star foreign/foreigner team trying to make an upset happen. Still, I think the gap is way too big skillwise and a huge gamble for western teams to basically deny players half of the western tournament season/cutting back on milestones offered to sponsors just for the sake of Proleague.)
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Axiom / Acer / TL combo. Otherwise an all-star team. If thats not possible or teams are not willing I would certainly say that foreign teams lower the competition and the spirit of proleague should always be that its the highest level teamleague.
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The Roster needs to be strong enough to compete and deal with the absence of player.
My possible roster of players:
JD; HUK; Teaja; HerO; Snute; TLO; Bunny; Mana; MMA; INnoVation; Scarlett; Alicia; CranK; Heart; Ryung; Impact; MC; Bomber; Life; MVP; Leenock; San; HyuN; Sacsri; RagnaroK; First; DongRaeGu; Polt; jjakji; Apocalypse; MajOr; StarDust; Daisy; VortiX; Jim; MacSed; TooDming; XiGua; XY.
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I love the idea!
One possible way of organizing this would be to have a Proleague TV studio in Europe and/or the US, and to play with the Korean team at the usual location and the foreigner team in the European/US studio.
Each studio with its live audience :-).
A joint Proleague - ESL organization could do the trick!
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On August 19 2014 18:29 RHoudini wrote:
I love the idea!
One possible way of organizing this would be to have a Proleague TV studio in Europe and/or the US, and to play with the Korean team at the usual location and the foreigner team in the European/US studio.
Each studio with its live audience :-).
A joint Proleague - ESL organization could do the trick!
Well this certainly sounds like a boring prodution 
"Players, please shake hands through the monitors"
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On August 19 2014 18:29 RHoudini wrote:
I love the idea!
One possible way of organizing this would be to have a Proleague TV studio in Europe and/or the US, and to play with the Korean team at the usual location and the foreigner team in the European/US studio.
Each studio with its live audience :-).
A joint Proleague - ESL organization could do the trick!
No #LL1 (broodwar guys will know) but for you: Lan Latency over online play and we will never have such thing. Its not in the spirit of proleague. Cross-server lag will bring huge discussions and the value would actually drop.
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Does Acer sell their computers and laptops in Korea? I know they're a Taiwanese company but they're pretty global so I'd be really surprised if they don't have penetration in Korea. Because if that is that case then there's definitely a reason why Team Acer may want to compete in Proleague - hey you could even see a nice rivalry forming with Samsung . I know that Team Acer is part of Acer EU but hey, a brand is a brand and a logo is a logo. Besides, Proleague gets decent viewership from Europe because the timezone isn't bad here like it is for America.
Another spanner in the works could be if Acer wants to do an Acer Teamstory Cup Season 4 and sees Proleague as a conflict with that.
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Startale and AxiomAcer will be awesome
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On August 19 2014 11:54 Meckie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 11:46 Tobblish wrote:
Having foreign teams make their way into PL wouldn't be the best imo.
There's not a lot of players on the teams that could be good enough.
A Foreign Allstar team would be cool tho.
Adding in available players to the roster for a Round or two and changing out players for new available players wanting to go.
So instead of having a set roster the team could exchange players heavily for Rounds and maybe have a house for the players participating to live together in. Acer: Innovation, MMA and Scarlett. Axiom: Alicia, Heart, Ryung and Impact. Liquid: Snute, Bunny, HerO and TaeJa yoe Flash Wolves: San and Leenock iG: Jim. The vast majority of the above-mentioned are definitely capable of taking out the "weaker" KeSPA-players. That's not an assumption - that's a fact.
You left out CranK. 
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plz no, i am not a fan of globalization.
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On August 19 2014 18:33 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 18:29 RHoudini wrote:
I love the idea!
One possible way of organizing this would be to have a Proleague TV studio in Europe and/or the US, and to play with the Korean team at the usual location and the foreigner team in the European/US studio.
Each studio with its live audience :-).
A joint Proleague - ESL organization could do the trick! No #LL1 (broodwar guys will know) but for you: Lan Latency over online play and we will never have such thing. Its not in the spirit of proleague. Cross-server lag will bring huge discussions and the value would actually drop.
Lag is part of SC2 life.
"Huge discussions" are exactly what is needed. It's the main reason why FIFA doesn't want video assistance in football.
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Axiom are the only ones who can do it alone, maybe with the help of one merc or something to flesh it out. They are better than say prime last season and have excellent players in all three races and already have a teamhouse environment to train in as well as experience.
TL can't do it, with Taeja quitting after this year and he doesn't seem interested in it anyway so they have only a bunch of (top notch) foreigners which doesn't quite cut it still, EG has Jaedong and... Acer might do it but not alone. Chinese or Taiwanese teams might pull it of as well if they would want to.
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Also, people are forgetting mYi and Millenium here ! ForGG making his glorious return to ProLeague after years of baguettes, VortiX, (I would love to see Dayshi, but he's probably not at the required level), and StarDust, Jjakji returning to Korea, Sacsri and all. Could be a sick story as well !
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On August 19 2014 12:53 dyDrawer wrote:
I'm not really a big fan of the idea. No offense to any foreign fans, but I think most if not all foreign teams will get COMPLETELY STOMPED by KeSPA teams. We want to see close contests, not one-sided slaughters.
Even the "foreign" Koreans might not be able to stop the might of these faceless KeSPA giants. The recent KeSPA cup should give us a pretty good idea: foreign fan favs like TaeJa, Jaedong, Polt, HerO and HyuN fell early and fell hard. TaeJa's 0-2 loss to Action, Jaedong's 0-2 loss to DeParture, Polt's 0-2 loss to Trust are particularly alarming, as these are often considered some of the best foreign Koreans and aces of their respective teams, and all 3 lost 0-2 to bench players on KeSPA teams. Whether that was due to lag or form issues, we don't know, but surely this isn't a good sign.
Even if an international all-star team is formed, there is this huge issue with organization and coaching. Proleague is heavily about preparation. Just by having a bunch of really good players isn't enough (@SKT1 from 2013 season). With the foreign players coming and going, leaving and going back to Korea for WCS and what not, I really can't see an all star team do well.
What I think might be viable, is work with StarTale, which is sort of one of a kind now: not belonging to KeSPA but a Korean team from head to toe. It has some pretty good players left, like Curious and Life. I know they're short on funds, but if KeSPA can help with securing some good loans and alliances (Acer comes to mind, INnoVation is playing in GSL anyway), this could be the beginning of something great.
TaeJa beat Zest 3-0, just saying.
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