EPT2014-2015 Proleague Plans Opening SPL to the world - Page 10
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
| ||
|
Grovbolle
Denmark3811 Posts
EG-TL was that team last season and they still got pwned. Now consider how much KeSPA have improved since then. | ||
|
effecto
France142 Posts
| ||
|
jubil
United States2602 Posts
If Proleague was to be more open, while fully remaining in its current format, the expansion would probably have to be either an "all-star" team (open to any Korea-based foreigner team members) or a combination team, probably any combination of Acer, Axiom, Liquid, EG, and Chinese or Taiwanese teams. The problem is just the same was it was with EG-TL, however. Naturally less strict training and practice regimen combined with the allure of foreign events, on top of unfamiliarity with playing in Korea/Proleague means any foreigners/Koreans-on-foreign-teams would already be at a disadvantage. I think a more reasonable, slow expansion is better - host online Kespa vs foreign team showmatches in Proleague style format, rotating between all Kespa teams and whichever foreign teams are interested. Perhaps after this event concludes, invite the best foreign team to Korea to play in a single round of Proleague, and/or invite the best performing foreigners (including, again, Koreans-on-foreign-teams) to Korea for an all-star game vs a selection of Kespa players. This is less of a burden on foreign teams, and less dilution of the Kespa brand (while still an exciting, novel expansion). | ||
|
FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
EG ? They have... Jeadong. That's all. TL ? They have TaeJa. HerO showed us last time and in shoutcraft clan wars that he is NOT on the same level. The rest... can win a game sometime but i doubt a player like Bunny can even compete with KassiA who have like 20% WR. Acer havec Innovation and MMA. OK. That's 2 player. They have Scarlett. Yes ok she can win some of the matches as well. And then.. no. And axiom is doing good but... They are not playing GSL,SPL opponents  But hey. Could be a booster for those teams. | ||
|
Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
I guess I'm neutral to the idea. Looking forward more so to an even better production as well as more entertainment from SPL and the players. It was great already, but improving on this would make PL a treat to watch even if none of your favorite teams/players are playing, and to me that's way more important. | ||
|
Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 19 2014 16:56 JustPassingBy wrote: That would be awesome, but would they be willing to do something like that? I mean that would lessen the live viewing experience by quite a lot for the Korean audience, unless adding new teams would increase the number of games by so much that some have to be played without live audience. I think the viewing experience could still be good for as long as the studios team up well in terms of production. But it would be very different I guess, if there was only one team at the place you watch from or sometimes even none. I think more teams would be cooler. Increase the uniqueness and importance of the "big matches", instead of the monthly KT vs SKT match. | ||
|
Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 19 2014 17:05 FFW_Rude wrote: Oh come on. Who can win a game against a woke up KT/SKT/SAMSUNG/JAINAIR ? EG ? They have... Jeadong. That's all. TL ? They have TaeJa. HerO showed us last time and in shoutcraft clan wars that he is NOT on the same level. The rest... can win a game sometime but i doubt a player like Bunny can even compete with KassiA who have like 20% WR. Acer havec Innovation and MMA. OK. That's 2 player. They have Scarlett. Yes ok she can win some of the matches as well. And then.. no. And axiom is doing good but... They are not playing GSL,SPL opponents But hey. Could be a booster for those teams. qxc is going to allkill KT. | ||
|
eScaper-tsunami
Canada313 Posts
I don't think team depth and skill is too relevant in this. Prime was mopped last season, basically every round. They definitely aren't proleague champion contender but it shouldn't stop teams like Prime from entering if they can commit to the schedule. It'll be nice to see the exact skill gap between teams and players. With the different WCS regions, TLPD and Aigulac aren't too accurate in their assessment of skill gap, I believe what proleague is trying to do can help with this. Overall I can't see this as a bad thing. If you don't enjoy roflstomps, or lower level of play, you can always not watch it. We might even get more games per week! :D | ||
|
Ocean_1004
Korea (South)37 Posts
| ||
|
SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
| ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Same with Acer, same with any other foreign team. I could see an Axiom partnership with say Acer (because their players are based in Korea), but I don't think it'd be successful at all. Anyone else I really can't see happening atm. And then there's also the level of competition obviously. An Axiom/Acer partnership wouldn't be strong enough to compete with the big teams. Innovation, MMA (maybe), Scarlett when she's there (maybe), Impact (maybe), and two players to try sniper builds (maybe) could maybe take games against teams like Prime, MVP, Samsung (maybe). But against Jin Air/CJ/KT and SKT? I just can't see it happen consistently enough to warrant the effort. Not after the EGTL disaster. That EGTL team had a stronger lineup than any combination of foreign teams could put together now, unless you were to merge every team's ace players and form a supergroup kinda team (--> Innovation, Jaedong, Taeja, HerO, Snute, Impact, Alicia, Crank, MMA, Scarlett, Stardust, San for example). And yet EGTL still failed awfully as we all remember, due to not focusing on Proleague as much as the rest, repeatedly having key players missing from the lineup, etc.etc. I doubt that any of that would be different for any foreign team if they entered Proleague now. It'd be even harder now than for EGTL back then. | ||
|
Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 19 2014 17:15 eScaper-tsunami wrote: I don't think team depth and skill is too relevant in this. Prime was mopped last season, basically every round. They definitely aren't proleague champion contender but it shouldn't stop teams like Prime from entering if they can commit to the schedule. It'll be nice to see the exact skill gap between teams and players. With the different WCS regions, TLPD and Aigulac aren't too accurate in their assessment of skill gap, I believe what proleague is trying to do can help with this. Overall I can't see this as a bad thing. If you don't enjoy roflstomps, or lower level of play, you can always not watch it. We might even get more games per week! :D Yeah, I dont like those skill arguments either. First of, I think at least Acer and Liquid are on a level with last seasons Prime and could most likely challenge teams like MVP or STIM . And then you can always apply the argument that less teams is more quality. Still, I like my Bundesliga with noobteams such as Freiburg. | ||
|
CyberVoid
Brazil165 Posts
| ||
|
JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On August 19 2014 17:09 Big J wrote: I think the viewing experience could still be good for as long as the studios team up well in terms of production. But it would be very different I guess, if there was only one team at the place you watch from or sometimes even none. I think more teams would be cooler. Increase the uniqueness and importance of the "big matches", instead of the monthly KT vs SKT match. Come to think of it, I don't think any team will stand a chance unless they are "grounded" in Korea and focus solely on Proleague like their competitors do. If there is any addition to Proleague, I wish it would be a team who at least is able to put up a little fight. :-/ | ||
|
LoneYoShi
France1348 Posts
On August 19 2014 17:29 DarkLordOlli wrote: The problem here is obviously that the focus of foreign teams would have to shift to Korea entirely for a whole Proleague season. Taeja said he wants to retire, HerO/Snute/Bunny/Mana/TLO have no reason at all to commit to staying in Korea for that long when TL and the players themselves are much better off competing at foreign events. Same with Acer, same with any other foreign team. I could see an Axiom partnership with say Acer (because their players are based in Korea), but I don't think it'd be successful at all. Anyone else I really can't see happening atm. And then there's also the level of competition obviously. An Axiom/Acer partnership wouldn't be strong enough to compete with the big teams. Innovation, MMA (maybe), Scarlett when she's there (maybe), Impact (maybe), and two players to try sniper builds (maybe) could maybe take games against teams like Prime, MVP, Samsung (maybe). But against Jin Air/CJ/KT and SKT? I just can't see it happen consistently enough to warrant the effort. Not after the EGTL disaster. That EGTL team had a stronger lineup than any combination of foreign teams could put together now, unless you were to merge every team's ace players and form a supergroup kinda team (--> Innovation, Jaedong, Taeja, HerO, Snute, Impact, Alicia, Crank, MMA, Scarlett, Stardust, San for example). And yet EGTL still failed awfully as we all remember, due to not focusing on Proleague as much as the rest, repeatedly having key players missing from the lineup, etc.etc. I doubt that any of that would be different for any foreign team if they entered Proleague now. It'd be even harder now than for EGTL back then. I'm sorry to self reference my own posts, but I tried to come up with a few possible solutions to that whole "commitment" issue as I think this would be the biggest issue. There could be ways to include motivated foreigners into ProLeague which I think could make it (somewhat) work ! | ||
|
SpunXtain20
Australia554 Posts
| ||
|
Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
| ||
|
BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
Last season was amazing and i think if PL opens up for everyone it looses some of its special touch. Its very nice that you want to give other teams the possibility and even ask the fans, but i dont want another EGTL 2.0. Most of the players would probably still focus on foreign tournaments and play PL as their time allows. That cant go good. The foreign/all-star team should focus most of their efforts on PL and i dont think a lot of players would want to do that. IF you find a team that is willing to dedicate most of their time to PL, then yes, please invite them! Otherwise its just a "free-win" team and that sucks. You are really cool for even thinking about opening PL though! | ||
|
SpunXtain20
Australia554 Posts
| ||
| ||
