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2014-2015 Proleague Plans Opening SPL to the world - Page 13

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scnrfrknd
Profile Joined March 2012
Ghana1 Post
August 19 2014 09:47 GMT
#241
this is a great idea but it will affect wcs am and eu and other competitions since sometime pro like to play in proleague than other tournaments
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Magnet
Profile Joined February 2014
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 09:51:00
August 19 2014 09:49 GMT
#242
I am wondering what proleague would offer these foreign teams as far as an appearance in Korea. Proleague has historically been a show for the Korean audience and it's one of the very few things keeping the Korean scene intact (although admittedly I don't know how often Koreans watch foreign tournaments and for some reason I don't think it's very often). Obviously bringing in players like Jaedong would be huge for the Korean scene, but it'd definitely be hard to get European and American teams to Korea if it's planning on being globalized, and having the teams play online or something would definitely cheapen the experience for the Korean fans. We'd also be leaving out players that moved to the US or Europe to join a foreign team and be a part of that environment, such as MC and Polt. The money doesn't make sense to bring them out for a regular season match, so I don't know how that would work.

I'm not sure how exactly this would be done, and it's obviously a good idea on paper and as a concept, I just don't see it really being that successful unless we start talking about a bunch of hybrid teams that still consist of the Korean components of them (YFW + Acer + Axiom for example), which would start getting a little confusing. Team leagues have always been players, coaches, etc all uniting because they want to win so badly as a team. I can't imagine a hybrid team coming in and posing any sort of challenge to T1 or KT, since they are so invested in winning proleague.

Honestly, my initial reaction tells me that it only would work with Kespa teams, like we've seen in the past (and of course Startale replacing IM), but I don't know. I'm very skeptical and I'd have to see a bigger plan put into place for foreign teams and players to start making sense. If we're still talking about Kespa teams but having the playoffs or finals somewhere else in the world, then I see it making a little more sense.
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
August 19 2014 09:49 GMT
#243
I was really enjoying this season and was satisfied with the number of teams and matches. If there's a shortage I a non-KR team might be an okay replacement but I don't think we need to deflate team numbers just so foreigners can join too.
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SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
August 19 2014 09:50 GMT
#244
What about mYAcer? MMA, INnoVation, jjakji, Sacsri, Stardust and Scarlett. Seems cool!
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LeviathanDK
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark87 Posts
August 19 2014 09:53 GMT
#245
Acer, EG and TL as foreign teams
Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
August 19 2014 09:53 GMT
#246
I would just like more focus on player rivalries and developing players as personalities the gaps where you show the same proleague thing over and over could be improved (for example showing the top ceremonies for ages at the end of proleague I had seen that proleague highlight reel at least 100 times could add more focus into that?)

I would like a select few to go, I don't think most of the best foreigners are quite at Proleague level apart from a select few, I would think that a "allstar" team would be impossible?

People keep mentioning about whole teams like Myi coming to Korea with mostly korean players sort of defeats the point of a foreign team entering the koreans that left went because they feel they can do better elsewhere I'm sure they don't want to go back into that environment.

TL;DR Allstar team of community or result picked foreigners comprising a team yes!
Teams that are foreign owned and mostly comprised of koreans coming back to play proleague no. Unless that team has Jaedong, but that's not going to happen based on how he feels about that all.
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bananashell
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden18 Posts
August 19 2014 09:54 GMT
#247
On August 19 2014 10:51 NFxJehuty wrote:
I think you should try to invite a 'All star' team, made up of all the best foreign team players, that way you could take players like jaedong on american team and get him to play vs flash finally!!


I think this would be the most viable solution.

Or perhaps as a special pre-season.

As someone else put it; It might however lower the skill but increase the viewership.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
August 19 2014 09:55 GMT
#248
I'd rather not see another failed hybrid, but at the same time I don't think any foreign roster would be competitive.
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Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
August 19 2014 09:59 GMT
#249
If teams base themselves there for the duration of the season and take it seriously, sure, but the gimmick potential of it died completely after EG-TL so i'd need this to be serious.

More openness is good. That was the whole point of the Destiny criticism. If Kespa is willing and able to take even a tiny risk then then that's wonderful and benefits everyone.
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 19 2014 10:05 GMT
#250
On August 19 2014 18:43 RHoudini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 18:33 NarutO wrote:
On August 19 2014 18:29 RHoudini wrote:
I love the idea!

One possible way of organizing this would be to have a Proleague TV studio in Europe and/or the US, and to play with the Korean team at the usual location and the foreigner team in the European/US studio.
Each studio with its live audience :-).

A joint Proleague - ESL organization could do the trick!


No #LL1 (broodwar guys will know) but for you: Lan Latency over online play and we will never have such thing. Its not in the spirit of proleague. Cross-server lag will bring huge discussions and the value would actually drop.

Lag is part of SC2 life.
"Huge discussions" are exactly what is needed. It's the main reason why FIFA doesn't want video assistance in football.


What about we dont allow it to be cross server to have those discussions. Simply point out there would be a chance to it like that with better latency. You will still have the discussion without destroying the tournament.

because while we need discussions we also need good proleague and not cross server only won due to lag proleague
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
August 19 2014 10:06 GMT
#251
On August 19 2014 16:53 Sakkreth wrote:
Axiom-Acer
EG-TL

Axiom-Acer:

INnovation +++
MMA ++
Scarlett ++
Nerchio +
Bly
Paranoid
Alicia ++
Crank ++
Heart ++
Ryung ++
Impact ++

EG-TL:

Jaedong +++
HuK +
Suppy
Xenocider
Demuslim
TaeJa +++
HerO +++
Bunny ++
Snute ++
TLO +
MaNa +
Ret +

One plus: Capable of winning some maps
Two pluses: Capable of being in the lineup successfully constantly winning 50%+ matches
Three pluses: Capable to be among top ranked players in proleague.

Both teams would be capable to compete, EGTL are more top heavy, but Axiom-Acer is more balanced, Axiom alone brings pretty muc hviable lineup, acer adds Ace in InNoVation and few other capable players, but mostly substitutes except for MMA. EGTL would have 3 monster players and 2 arguably best foreigners at this point who are more than capable of taking some maps in proleague making it scary 5 player lineup.


If AxiomAcer were to partner up again they'd probably leave Nerchio, ParanOid and Bly like last time. Not enough quality and more importantly not enough room in the Axiom teamhouse.
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DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
August 19 2014 10:07 GMT
#252
It was tested once, and the holy alliance didnt got far. I dont see any international team getting anything in proleague the kespa monsters level of play nowadays is WAAY too high.
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REyeM
Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 10:08:47
August 19 2014 10:08 GMT
#253
I'm not sure if I would like foreign teams in SPL, but then again more teams would be nice, ten or maybe twelve.

My favorites are:

Axiom + INnoVation
iG
YWF
and Wayi.

Edit:
Aaand JD in any shape or form.
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Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 10:12:40
August 19 2014 10:09 GMT
#254
I guess an Acer Axiom alliance could compete (can't see them doing awfully well mind you), but with a lot of them competing overseas so much I can't see it happening / them being dedicated enough to make it worth while.

Also, can't see TL committing to near full time Korea.
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Khai
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia551 Posts
August 19 2014 10:11 GMT
#255
While I have no doubt foreign teams will not be competing for the championship if invited, they would definitely increase viewership so I'd say go for it!

Would be nice to see an allstar foreign team of sorts, EG/TL was a great idea, just too bad they couldn't concentrate on Proleague at a time when Kespa teams are weakest (right after transition to SC2). Right now whichever foreign team invited will finish last for sure, but an all star team might make things interesting.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 10:23:11
August 19 2014 10:16 GMT
#256
Only an Axiom, Acer and Liquid trifecta could do this.

A duknow team with MC and his gang would be fun too.

Or... Startale
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Radicalness
Profile Joined September 2011
United States271 Posts
August 19 2014 10:16 GMT
#257
Seeing a lot of hate for EGTL. A couple things about the EGTL team:
1. TaeJa, the best player on the team, hardly played at all because of his wrists.
2. JD was still really new to sc2 and that was before he really took off in the game (of course he's been a little down lately)
3. Even Revival and Oz seemed to get considerably better after PL (only, again, to fall off recently)
4. It could have been worse ...

I'd love to see some sort of combined foreign team in PL again. As has been said, the best of Axiom, Acer, TL and EGJD would probably be a fairly decent team.
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Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
August 19 2014 10:23 GMT
#258
On August 19 2014 19:16 Radicalness wrote:
Seeing a lot of hate for EGTL. A couple things about the EGTL team:
1. TaeJa, the best player on the team, hardly played at all because of his wrists.
2. JD was still really new to sc2 and that was before he really took off in the game (of course he's been a little down lately)
3. Even Revival and Oz seemed to get considerably better after PL (only, again, to fall off recently)
4. It could have been worse ...

I'd love to see some sort of combined foreign team in PL again. As has been said, the best of Axiom, Acer, TL and EGJD would probably be a fairly decent team.


They would be fairly decent players, not decent team. The biggest issue with Proleague is not necessarily skill of the players involved (although arguably it is the highest from most of the leagues), but the commitment. I say bring anyone, I don't really care, even teams like Root - but make sure they are committed to Proleague above all else. If that will be true, they can bring all foreign lineup and they will be able to take games, maybe even matches. If not, then they do not add anything to the league and are useless to have around - they would only disappoint their fans and lower the quality of the most prestigious team league in the world.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 19 2014 10:23 GMT
#259
On August 19 2014 18:46 LoneYoShi wrote:
Also, people are forgetting mYi and Millenium here ! ForGG making his glorious return to ProLeague after years of baguettes, VortiX, (I would love to see Dayshi, but he's probably not at the required level), and StarDust, Jjakji returning to Korea, Sacsri and all. Could be a sick story as well !


I won't allow ForGG to leave Europe without having won WCS Europe, or at least coming close to it! :'(
NervO
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Netherlands511 Posts
August 19 2014 10:28 GMT
#260
Foreign all star team please :D
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