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We saw how EG-TL did in Proleague. No reason it should be better now. Acer/Axiom, on the other hand, was very dangerous in all competitions including GSTL.
Anyway, I grew to love the proleague map format for the creativity it brings to match preparation. I don't think this should be sacrificed to ease the path for foreign teams.
I really enjoy proleague as much as GSL now (and I'm a die Hard gsl fan). I couldn't care less if teams are Korean or foreign, I just want to see great games, with crazy tailored strategies a la Bbyong and TY. I'm not sure that foreign teams can bring this, tbh. We saw that EGTL, despite Coach Park, didn't have the proleague mentality that involves extreme game preparation, so I'm not sure I love this move.
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On August 19 2014 18:47 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 12:53 dyDrawer wrote:
I'm not really a big fan of the idea. No offense to any foreign fans, but I think most if not all foreign teams will get COMPLETELY STOMPED by KeSPA teams. We want to see close contests, not one-sided slaughters.
Even the "foreign" Koreans might not be able to stop the might of these faceless KeSPA giants. The recent KeSPA cup should give us a pretty good idea: foreign fan favs like TaeJa, Jaedong, Polt, HerO and HyuN fell early and fell hard. TaeJa's 0-2 loss to Action, Jaedong's 0-2 loss to DeParture, Polt's 0-2 loss to Trust are particularly alarming, as these are often considered some of the best foreign Koreans and aces of their respective teams, and all 3 lost 0-2 to bench players on KeSPA teams. Whether that was due to lag or form issues, we don't know, but surely this isn't a good sign.
Even if an international all-star team is formed, there is this huge issue with organization and coaching. Proleague is heavily about preparation. Just by having a bunch of really good players isn't enough (@SKT1 from 2013 season). With the foreign players coming and going, leaving and going back to Korea for WCS and what not, I really can't see an all star team do well.
What I think might be viable, is work with StarTale, which is sort of one of a kind now: not belonging to KeSPA but a Korean team from head to toe. It has some pretty good players left, like Curious and Life. I know they're short on funds, but if KeSPA can help with securing some good loans and alliances (Acer comes to mind, INnoVation is playing in GSL anyway), this could be the beginning of something great. TaeJa beat Zest 3-0, just saying.
You can never argue with kespo fanboys when a result they want shows up any result before that is invalid and the "players weren't playing Code V that day!1" excuse takes place.
My guess to foreigners results was the map pool, those qualifiers used a custom map and maps that are not being used anymore and the KeSPA players had a lot of experience on those maps from the Proleague.
On August 19 2014 21:02 ZiggyPG wrote:
back in the days of BW it seemed a bit more strict and more well organized.
Asshole=good?
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What are the financial compensations for a team and/or player joining ProLeague?
In other words: How does a Players and/or Team make money?
Do they get payed for participating, or do they get payed for winning matches or rounds? Or are they only getting payed when they win the whole thing?
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What people hope for: foreign players joining Proleague and train under ideal situations for extended period of time
What will mainly happen (if anything happens at all): korean players already living in Korea joining Proleague
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Acer picks up Trap and DRG. Axiom-Acer joins PL. I am happy
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ACER!, TeamLiquid and JAEDONG!!!
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To be honest i would like to see TL + Acer the most.
The idea is to have a stable line-up. We all know what happens when there's no stable line-up... *cough-cough* EG-TL.
So basically MMA, INno, HerO and TaeJa (or Snute maybe), and then they could have "snipers" like Bunny or Scarlett.
I would love to see Bunny going to Korea.
Make it happen guys : )))
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On August 19 2014 20:15 Lorning wrote:
As long as Prime is in it, I don't care
Amen brother!
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EGTL comeback pls!
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AxiomAcer!!!
pls kespa
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It's funny how the initial question was "would you like to see foreign teams compete in SPL ?" and everyone is answering "do you think it is possible for foreign teams to compete in SPL ?". Guys, as fans it's not our job to think on the "how" and the "why", that's the job of the team and league managers and inside people (even if it's interesting to brainstorm on these kind of questions).
Our only job is this: YES PLEASE, MAKE IT HAPPEN SOMEHOW ! :D
I'd love to see top players compete in SPL and show us amazing games. Players like JD, Snute, Bomber, Innovation, MMA, MC, Jjakji, StarDust, Welmu, Vortix, ForGG, TLO, Polt, Scarlett, Major, etc playing in SPL would be amazing !
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I have never watched pro league before because of the time difference, but I would definitely watch the VODs if Team Liquid and/or Acer were in it.
Edit: I also love watching several of the players in MyInsanity.
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I'd love to see foreign teams competing in SPL : however I think the best way to make it happen is to organize an european, a chinese and an american Proleague and to organize world finals a couple of time throughout the season...
I don't see foreign teams doing good in Proleague if their players are not ready to live and train in Korea. And I don't think most of them are ready for that at the moment...
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EGTL was an epic fail, so i'm not sure about foreign team in PL. I would like more a special team with teamless's player.
If that shoul be a foreign team, my choice will be Axiom-Acer with alliance with some other team like Liquid or Yoe Flash Wolves. I think no other can perform not too bad.
Of course the better should be a real new Kespa team suported by SpoTV. Like MBCGame Hero and OGN Sparkyz... Or suported by other group, don't care about this. Or SC2 team in NaJin of course.
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A 'foreign' all-star team would be good. Though it's funny how many of the players in peoples suggestions are actually Korean: Taeja, JD, Bomber, MC, Jjakji, Polt, Innovation etc. Of course Snute and Scarlett would not embarrass themselves.
If it's a combined EG/Axiom/Acer/RedBull team would people's team loyalties actually play a part in their interest?
But I would think that most foreign fans have their Korean favourites anyway. I subscribe to PL almost solely to watch Maru play. I subscribed to each GSL season once Maru reached Ro8 - now I have a yearly subscription as Maru seems like a shoe-in for Ro8.
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Participating in SPL means you have to stay in Korea on a regular basis / will have problems attending foreign tourneys because of the Kespa policies and strict scheduele. Remember that kespa team memebers never ever participated in WCS. How do you imagine scarlett or snute to do their regular WCS matches if they are supposed to stay in Korea? You can't neglect these rules cause this is what makes SPL an elite league that produce the hightest level of play. Kespa rocks because players DO actually practice on a regulaer basis with real, consistent coaching, regime etc. Ofc prime may be an exeption but their results speak for themselves.
TLDR: Kespa pls don't do that!!! Instead u guys should focus on getting solid sponsoriship for your teams!!!
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what about a team of players who are under GEM? (YoDa, MC, First, Mvp...)
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I would love more Maprotations after Round 1,2 ect. . It could be more entertainful for viewers and we would see different metagames with other tactics.
If Kespa opens his gates for foreigners then It could decrease the average ''skill'' level because they don't have a coach/right mindset and don't use the Proleague metagame.
Of course it will increase the viewership but at which cost..
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On August 19 2014 21:37 cortesmaltose wrote:
I don't see foreign teams doing good in Proleague if their players are not ready to live and train in Korea. And I don't think most of them are ready for that at the moment...
I totally agree with this. Also a team, need to have player who are fully motivated by play PL, and who are OK for play few foreign tournament during the PL's time. No more story like Taeja in EGTL.
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I think there should be probably 2 or 4 slots for foreigner teams by qualis, so those who are the best will participate in SPL, for example:
1 NA Quali
1 EU Quali
1 China Quali
1 Global Quali
So eventually we gonna have 12 teams in SPL, the strongest and most popular players included. Also there should be some WCS rewards for SPL in future.
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