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2014-2015 Proleague Plans Opening SPL to the world - Page 16

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Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
August 19 2014 12:50 GMT
#301
On August 19 2014 21:43 Liliputin wrote:
what about a team of players who are under GEM? (YoDa, MC, First, Mvp...)


Good idea. GEM would be a playoff caliber team, especially if Hyunn would still play for them.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
August 19 2014 12:51 GMT
#302
EGTLAXAC
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
NyanOverlord
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation36 Posts
August 19 2014 12:53 GMT
#303
Adding teams in collaboration with each other, something like Axiom-Acer and EG-TL, would be pretty cool. I dont think that without collaboration foreign teams have chances to play good, maybe with exception of TL.
Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
August 19 2014 12:54 GMT
#304
EG-TL wasn't an epic fail.

They were a new team in ProLeague. Proleague is really hard.
Them quitting after one season was a bit of a disappointment.
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 12:56:30
August 19 2014 12:55 GMT
#305
On August 19 2014 21:54 Rustug wrote:
EG-TL wasn't an epic fail.

They were a new team in ProLeague. Proleague is really hard.
Them quitting after one season was a bit of a disappointment.


Considering what was expected from team with people destroying in 2012 and team, which got even more stable Koreans, it was huge flop.

On August 19 2014 21:53 NyanOverlord wrote:
Adding teams in collaboration with each other, something like Axiom-Acer and EG-TL, would be pretty cool. I dont think that without collaboration foreign teams have chances to play good, maybe with exception of TL.


TaeJa can't win everything alone, and outside of Snute, i don't think that anyone will join him in Korea.
And HerO is signed to play with MVP next season already.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 19 2014 12:55 GMT
#306
On August 19 2014 21:21 Tngabor wrote:
To be honest i would like to see TL + Acer the most.
The idea is to have a stable line-up. We all know what happens when there's no stable line-up... *cough-cough* EG-TL.
So basically MMA, INno, HerO and TaeJa (or Snute maybe), and then they could have "snipers" like Bunny or Scarlett.
I would love to see Bunny going to Korea.

Make it happen guys : )))


Bad idea. Ruins a good rivalry (see EG-TL). Don't just throw teams together, consider the long term images of the teams
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
lordsaul
Profile Joined December 2010
13 Posts
August 19 2014 12:58 GMT
#307
TL;DR - Axiom/Acer or a "World Allstars" team please.

I would dearly love to see Axiom-Acer in action in SPL. They seem to have the correct "team" mentality. EG-TL was a collection of good individuals, but reading what Coach Park said about them as a unit, they just were not prepared for the practice regime.

As far as I can see though, Blizzard/WCS/Kespa would need to arrange some very accommodating timing of events.

Thinking about it, I can see how you might construct an "World Allstars" team on a round by round basis. While the allstars team might be very large, you would only need a small group of them housed in Korea for a single round. After each round the allstars team would swap out those returning home (contractually planned at the beginning of the entire season of course).

If there was enough co-ordination between Blizzard/Kespa it might be possible to allow the Allstars to compete alternately in a code A/S or WCS Europe/America depending on where that member of the team resides that round. Assuming that the rules could be formed in a way that did not lead to abuse of course.

damoonwolf
Profile Joined November 2013
France98 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 13:08:47
August 19 2014 13:02 GMT
#308
On August 19 2014 21:54 Rustug wrote:
EG-TL wasn't an epic fail.

They were a new team in ProLeague. Proleague is really hard.
Them quitting after one season was a bit of a disappointment.


Of course you're right, PL is really hard. But many people thinked they will performed so better.
Also i thinks that was a fail not only because the poor result. But also because foreign players are leave the team quickly, and some korean player who was in this team don't really wanted play PL. They just wanted play foreign tounament, so this team had a poor motivational (read the Coach Park interwiew about EGTL on this site).

The idea of All-star foreign players and All-star foreign team's koreans alliance was fail hard. Because of lack of motivation by these player, and lack of skill too.
Zprit
Profile Joined July 2013
92 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 13:03:47
August 19 2014 13:02 GMT
#309
On August 19 2014 21:53 NyanOverlord wrote:
Adding teams in collaboration with each other, something like Axiom-Acer and EG-TL, would be pretty cool. I dont think that without collaboration foreign teams have chances to play good, maybe with exception of TL.


Taeja won't do proleague anyway since he did not like it last time and he's only one dude, Axiom is probably the best shot maybe with a merc. They are a pretty strong team and actually have a rather rounded rooster unlike most other foreign teams that have one or two stars. Acer have 3 players and is probably the most stacked team along with TL who have two of the best foreigners who probably are on par with the lesser kespa koreans on good days and after a while in a teamhouse.

All foreign teams are focused on foreign tournaments and stuff though and that doesn't blend well with proleague.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
August 19 2014 13:05 GMT
#310
There are a lot of foreign teams with really good players. Most of them are not on the level of Kespa pros but given a chance to play in the same environment they might improve.

I'd like to see Team Liquid and Axiom in Proleague, personally.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
hfsrj
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany166 Posts
August 19 2014 13:05 GMT
#311
There is no rivalry between TL and Acer. Acer just wins.
JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
August 19 2014 13:05 GMT
#312
All-star team would be the best, I think. I might actually have a chance to take a couple of games of the Koreans.
mind mind mind mind mind mind
KonanTenshi
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden210 Posts
August 19 2014 13:08 GMT
#313
I don't want them to open up if it means a lower skill cap in Proleauge. Sure an all star team would be nice.

if they open up I'd want a picky choosing on whose to play
Curious
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
August 19 2014 13:09 GMT
#314
Now I would be happy to see Axiom-Acer back, which seems to the only possibility to me. I don't see other teams renting a house in korea and focus on SPL rather than WCS tournaments. The cost is just too high. Maybe YoeFW or mYi can surprise and if EG would lend out Jaedong that would be great . So I am all for this, but don't see many foreign teams able to pull it off.

We will see I guess, definitely exciting news!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 19 2014 13:15 GMT
#315
On August 19 2014 21:50 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 21:43 Liliputin wrote:
what about a team of players who are under GEM? (YoDa, MC, First, Mvp...)


Good idea. GEM would be a playoff caliber team, especially if Hyunn would still play for them.

Didn't the GEM team fail to qualify for ATC?
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LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
August 19 2014 13:18 GMT
#316
On August 19 2014 22:15 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 21:50 Salient wrote:
On August 19 2014 21:43 Liliputin wrote:
what about a team of players who are under GEM? (YoDa, MC, First, Mvp...)


Good idea. GEM would be a playoff caliber team, especially if Hyunn would still play for them.

Didn't the GEM team fail to qualify for ATC?


ATC confirmed higher level than SPL.
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
August 19 2014 13:21 GMT
#317
On August 19 2014 22:15 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 21:50 Salient wrote:
On August 19 2014 21:43 Liliputin wrote:
what about a team of players who are under GEM? (YoDa, MC, First, Mvp...)


Good idea. GEM would be a playoff caliber team, especially if Hyunn would still play for them.

Didn't the GEM team fail to qualify for ATC?


Lost to team Welmu iirc.

Plus all the GEM players would have to move back to Korea making it difficult to participate in WCS AM/EU. I'm not sure that the players would want to do that.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
August 19 2014 13:22 GMT
#318
On August 19 2014 19:06 Crot4le wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 16:53 Sakkreth wrote:
Axiom-Acer
EG-TL

Axiom-Acer:

INnovation +++
MMA ++
Scarlett ++
Nerchio +
Bly
Paranoid
Alicia ++
Crank ++
Heart ++
Ryung ++
Impact ++

EG-TL:

Jaedong +++
HuK +
Suppy
Xenocider
Demuslim
TaeJa +++
HerO +++
Bunny ++
Snute ++
TLO +
MaNa +
Ret +

One plus: Capable of winning some maps
Two pluses: Capable of being in the lineup successfully constantly winning 50%+ matches
Three pluses: Capable to be among top ranked players in proleague.

Both teams would be capable to compete, EGTL are more top heavy, but Axiom-Acer is more balanced, Axiom alone brings pretty muc hviable lineup, acer adds Ace in InNoVation and few other capable players, but mostly substitutes except for MMA. EGTL would have 3 monster players and 2 arguably best foreigners at this point who are more than capable of taking some maps in proleague making it scary 5 player lineup.


If AxiomAcer were to partner up again they'd probably leave Nerchio, ParanOid and Bly like last time. Not enough quality and more importantly not enough room in the Axiom teamhouse.


Not enough qualitiy lol. Nerchio is a full time student, and only plays as much as is fun. He is one of the most talented players out there, but simply would never have an interest in playing proleague in korea or even full time.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
August 19 2014 13:27 GMT
#319
Given the current format of WCS and the time the players have to commit to participate in it (let alone the international tournaments), no foreign teams would want to spend 8 months in Korea to play in Proleague. The only team that could do that is Axiom and they're based in Korea. A partnership with their historical bros Acer would be very nice and provide a very competitive team in Proleague I think (at least capable of reaching the round playoffs a couple of times).

So if the WCS format doesn't change and stays as heavy as it is right now, the only way we could see Liquid, Millenium, mouz, mYi players in Proleague would be for standalone events (like Race Wars tournament). I think one example would be a showmatch between the top 5 players of Proleague vs the top 5 players of ATC.

Maru, herO, sOs, Flash, Rain vs INnoVation, Starbuck, Dayshi, jjakji, Jaedong would be fun.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 13:34:30
August 19 2014 13:31 GMT
#320
My only fear is that it will turn into another GSL...i mean GSL is open to the world. When's the last time u saw a foreigner there apart from the spectators?

Costs are to high for teams/people to go there and actively train for the korean specific SC formats...the format is unique compared to the rest of the world events and getting the $$ is less likely compared to just participating in other world class competitions. Less payment but more regular.

It would literally transform into a GSL clone.... a huge competition that is one of the best on the planet but because of X factors the number of foreign teams that can financially support participating in them is reduced to just a handful and most likely can't support it long therm.

I would love to see both Pro League and GSL get filled with foreigners for once. Would triple their value in my eyes.
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