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mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
August 12 2014 01:05 GMT
#361
Nice Job, have to say I probably wouldn't work for that day rate...
That said, the others involved should be getting a share of the booty, especially if those funding aren't aware beforehand of how it's going to be spent.
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 12 2014 01:07 GMT
#362
On August 12 2014 10:03 Kimb3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 09:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:
@TB: I'm working voluntarily in Peru with street-kids and, I'm spending my time and money to contribute something social. I'm living off of crap, I have around 500 Dollar to spend a month for food, shelter and so on, so I definitely know what dedication and hard-work feels like.


Oh my heart bleeds... Appealing to the moral highground means nothing. If anything all it does is make your perspective even less realistic. This isn't Peru and we're not doing charity work. This is the US and $1800 for a months work here is rubbish.


:D I'm obviously not appealing to a moral highground, I just wanted to point at that I DO know how it is to have a job monetarily even worse than McDonalds, and that it is okay to gain less if you do something out of love and dedication, in Destiny's case for a sport he loves. You do not need full recompensation for something you do out of reasons like that.

i'm not sure where you think you get off telling other people what they "need" for the work they do or instructing other people about what their love and dedication should mean to them... who do you think you are, man? there are a couple of minor legit criticisms you can make of his handling of this tourney, but you're just going on a witch hunt about his personal income and it's honestly creepy and rude
TL+ Member
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
August 12 2014 01:07 GMT
#363
Hey Destiny: Good to see a productive SC2 enthusiast. Didn't think you were cut out to be one but I'm glad to see I was wrong.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Kimb3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 01:11:32
August 12 2014 01:10 GMT
#364
On August 12 2014 10:07 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 10:03 Kimb3r wrote:
On August 12 2014 09:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:
@TB: I'm working voluntarily in Peru with street-kids and, I'm spending my time and money to contribute something social. I'm living off of crap, I have around 500 Dollar to spend a month for food, shelter and so on, so I definitely know what dedication and hard-work feels like.


Oh my heart bleeds... Appealing to the moral highground means nothing. If anything all it does is make your perspective even less realistic. This isn't Peru and we're not doing charity work. This is the US and $1800 for a months work here is rubbish.


:D I'm obviously not appealing to a moral highground, I just wanted to point at that I DO know how it is to have a job monetarily even worse than McDonalds, and that it is okay to gain less if you do something out of love and dedication, in Destiny's case for a sport he loves. You do not need full recompensation for something you do out of reasons like that.

i'm not sure where you think you get off telling other people what they "need" for the work they do or instructing other people about what their love and dedication should mean to them... who do you think you are, man? there are a couple of minor legit criticisms you can make of his handling of this tourney, but you're just going on a witch hunt about his personal income and it's honestly creepy and rude


Jesus.. You are picking out some sentences and telling me things like that, who do you the hell think you are? I already said before that I did not contribute, that it just was my personal opinion, and you guys can spend your money how you want and he can do whatever he wants. Don't get so emotional about that stuff. :D
Maru | Dark | Zest | Reynor | Scarlett
Nacl(Draq)
Profile Joined February 2011
United States302 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 01:13:48
August 12 2014 01:12 GMT
#365
On August 12 2014 10:10 Kimb3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 10:07 brickrd wrote:
On August 12 2014 10:03 Kimb3r wrote:
On August 12 2014 09:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:
@TB: I'm working voluntarily in Peru with street-kids and, I'm spending my time and money to contribute something social. I'm living off of crap, I have around 500 Dollar to spend a month for food, shelter and so on, so I definitely know what dedication and hard-work feels like.


Oh my heart bleeds... Appealing to the moral highground means nothing. If anything all it does is make your perspective even less realistic. This isn't Peru and we're not doing charity work. This is the US and $1800 for a months work here is rubbish.


:D I'm obviously not appealing to a moral highground, I just wanted to point at that I DO know how it is to have a job monetarily even worse than McDonalds, and that it is okay to gain less if you do something out of love and dedication, in Destiny's case for a sport he loves. You do not need full recompensation for something you do out of reasons like that.

i'm not sure where you think you get off telling other people what they "need" for the work they do or instructing other people about what their love and dedication should mean to them... who do you think you are, man? there are a couple of minor legit criticisms you can make of his handling of this tourney, but you're just going on a witch hunt about his personal income and it's honestly creepy and rude


Jesus.. You are picking out some sentences and telling me things like that, who do you the hell think you are. I already said before that I did not contribute, that it just was my personal opinion, and you guys can spend your money how you want and he can do whatever he wants. Don't get so emotional about that stuff..


You spoke to TB. When you speak to the english you best be ready to have words spoken at you. Quickly! Brew some tea and bake some biscuits (a biscuit is a cookie).
Melix
Profile Joined December 2010
United States89 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 01:17:13
August 12 2014 01:16 GMT
#366
On August 12 2014 09:53 Chuddinater wrote:
Hello, I was the person who Destiny spoke with at KeSPA. I want to get ride of some misconceptions regarding sending B teamers and the issues with the timing of Destiny I.

First here is the players he requested: SKTT1 soo, SKTT1 Soulkey, SKTT1 Parting, SKTT1 Classic, KT Rolster Zest, KT Rolster Flash, JinAir Greenwings Maru, Prime MKP, IM Trap

Most of these players were playing the playoffs of Proleague and could have scheduling issues because of the Grand Finals.
He was not asking for B teamers like other have suggested, but he wanted the top players to participate.


This is exactly the reason why I asked the earlier question about whether there was additional dialogue between Destiny and Kespa besides just the letter that was posted. It looks like there was more to the story than just that isolated letter. If the list above is really who Destiny requested then it certainly is a bigger ask than random Kespa B teamers.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
August 12 2014 01:18 GMT
#367
The transparency here is greatly appreciated. +10 points in my book, Mr Destiny.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Kimb3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 01:20:29
August 12 2014 01:19 GMT
#368
On August 12 2014 10:12 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 10:10 Kimb3r wrote:
On August 12 2014 10:07 brickrd wrote:
On August 12 2014 10:03 Kimb3r wrote:
On August 12 2014 09:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:
@TB: I'm working voluntarily in Peru with street-kids and, I'm spending my time and money to contribute something social. I'm living off of crap, I have around 500 Dollar to spend a month for food, shelter and so on, so I definitely know what dedication and hard-work feels like.


Oh my heart bleeds... Appealing to the moral highground means nothing. If anything all it does is make your perspective even less realistic. This isn't Peru and we're not doing charity work. This is the US and $1800 for a months work here is rubbish.


:D I'm obviously not appealing to a moral highground, I just wanted to point at that I DO know how it is to have a job monetarily even worse than McDonalds, and that it is okay to gain less if you do something out of love and dedication, in Destiny's case for a sport he loves. You do not need full recompensation for something you do out of reasons like that.

i'm not sure where you think you get off telling other people what they "need" for the work they do or instructing other people about what their love and dedication should mean to them... who do you think you are, man? there are a couple of minor legit criticisms you can make of his handling of this tourney, but you're just going on a witch hunt about his personal income and it's honestly creepy and rude


Jesus.. You are picking out some sentences and telling me things like that, who do you the hell think you are. I already said before that I did not contribute, that it just was my personal opinion, and you guys can spend your money how you want and he can do whatever he wants. Don't get so emotional about that stuff..


You spoke to TB. When you speak to the english you best be ready to have words spoken at you. Quickly! Brew some tea and bake some biscuits (a biscuit is a cookie).


I'm proud he even responded, by a well-known internet-legend like him! Te amo de todo mi corazón, Galleta-total!
Maru | Dark | Zest | Reynor | Scarlett
lokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Argentina80 Posts
August 12 2014 01:22 GMT
#369
i love destiny
mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
August 12 2014 01:25 GMT
#370
On August 12 2014 09:53 Chuddinater wrote:
Hello, I was the person who Destiny spoke with at KeSPA. I want to get ride of some misconceptions regarding sending B teamers and the issues with the timing of Destiny I.

First here is the players he requested: SKTT1 soo, SKTT1 Soulkey, SKTT1 Parting, SKTT1 Classic, KT Rolster Zest, KT Rolster Flash, JinAir Greenwings Maru, Prime MKP, IM Trap

Most of these players were playing the playoffs of Proleague and could have scheduling issues because of the Grand Finals.
He was not asking for B teamers like other have suggested, but he wanted the top players to participate.

Your communications often come over as aggressive strong-arming and at times obviously untrue statements thrown in as if they strengthen your position. Is this how business is always done in Korea or is this a language barrier thing? To a western ear it seems very immature.

The points were reasonable, the way they were made was not. It could be worded less confrontationally to not cause offence. As it is you were needlessly rude and that is now potentially denying your players income from future destiny tournaments. It seems very poor representation.
我的媽和她的瘋狂的外甥都
Kimb3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany744 Posts
August 12 2014 01:29 GMT
#371
On August 12 2014 10:25 mostevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 09:53 Chuddinater wrote:
Hello, I was the person who Destiny spoke with at KeSPA. I want to get ride of some misconceptions regarding sending B teamers and the issues with the timing of Destiny I.

First here is the players he requested: SKTT1 soo, SKTT1 Soulkey, SKTT1 Parting, SKTT1 Classic, KT Rolster Zest, KT Rolster Flash, JinAir Greenwings Maru, Prime MKP, IM Trap

Most of these players were playing the playoffs of Proleague and could have scheduling issues because of the Grand Finals.
He was not asking for B teamers like other have suggested, but he wanted the top players to participate.

Your communications often come over as aggressive strong-arming and at times obviously untrue statements thrown in as if they strengthen your position. Is this how business is always done in Korea or is this a language barrier thing? To a western ear it seems very immature.

The points were reasonable, the way they were made was not. It could be worded less confrontationally to not cause offence. As it is you were needlessly rude and that is now potentially denying your players income from future destiny tournaments. It seems very poor representation.


Seriously.. do you really think this post does not seem rude?
Is this how business is always done in Korea or is this a language barrier thing?
Especially that sentence seems more tipical from a guy sitting high on his English horse, to be honest.
Maru | Dark | Zest | Reynor | Scarlett
caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
August 12 2014 01:29 GMT
#372
On August 12 2014 10:10 Kimb3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 10:07 brickrd wrote:
On August 12 2014 10:03 Kimb3r wrote:
On August 12 2014 09:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:
@TB: I'm working voluntarily in Peru with street-kids and, I'm spending my time and money to contribute something social. I'm living off of crap, I have around 500 Dollar to spend a month for food, shelter and so on, so I definitely know what dedication and hard-work feels like.


Oh my heart bleeds... Appealing to the moral highground means nothing. If anything all it does is make your perspective even less realistic. This isn't Peru and we're not doing charity work. This is the US and $1800 for a months work here is rubbish.


:D I'm obviously not appealing to a moral highground, I just wanted to point at that I DO know how it is to have a job monetarily even worse than McDonalds, and that it is okay to gain less if you do something out of love and dedication, in Destiny's case for a sport he loves. You do not need full recompensation for something you do out of reasons like that.

i'm not sure where you think you get off telling other people what they "need" for the work they do or instructing other people about what their love and dedication should mean to them... who do you think you are, man? there are a couple of minor legit criticisms you can make of his handling of this tourney, but you're just going on a witch hunt about his personal income and it's honestly creepy and rude


Jesus.. You are picking out some sentences and telling me things like that, who do you the hell think you are? I already said before that I did not contribute, that it just was my personal opinion, and you guys can spend your money how you want and he can do whatever he wants. Don't get so emotional about that stuff. :D


I'd like to add my name to the people who thinks you (Kimb3r) is a nutbar.


That and good job Destiny! I think, if anything, making hosting and planning tournements suistainable (ie. they pay you a living wage) is one of the best way to grow the sc2 scene. Or you could shave your shave, light some incence and live off monk-like sc2 passion - it is a substitute for food, right?
why?
Chuddinater
Profile Joined July 2013
Korea (South)169 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 01:34:51
August 12 2014 01:30 GMT
#373
I'm very sorry if I came off as rude in the email. That was not my intentions I just wanted to be honest and upfront with him at the time. What I was asking for was for him to sell me on his tournament, which I don't think is something rude. Maybe I should not be as honest when working with people I do not know in the future because they just might post your email on a public forum. It seems some people want me to just sugar coat my response, but I personally believe that being honest and upfront makes it so both parties know exactly what needs to get done.

Also I have read through the comments and people think KeSPA is demanding money or something to send our players, which is completely false. We don't get paid money by any tournament to send players.
Kimb3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany744 Posts
August 12 2014 01:33 GMT
#374
On August 12 2014 10:29 caznitch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 10:10 Kimb3r wrote:
On August 12 2014 10:07 brickrd wrote:
On August 12 2014 10:03 Kimb3r wrote:
On August 12 2014 09:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:
@TB: I'm working voluntarily in Peru with street-kids and, I'm spending my time and money to contribute something social. I'm living off of crap, I have around 500 Dollar to spend a month for food, shelter and so on, so I definitely know what dedication and hard-work feels like.


Oh my heart bleeds... Appealing to the moral highground means nothing. If anything all it does is make your perspective even less realistic. This isn't Peru and we're not doing charity work. This is the US and $1800 for a months work here is rubbish.


:D I'm obviously not appealing to a moral highground, I just wanted to point at that I DO know how it is to have a job monetarily even worse than McDonalds, and that it is okay to gain less if you do something out of love and dedication, in Destiny's case for a sport he loves. You do not need full recompensation for something you do out of reasons like that.

i'm not sure where you think you get off telling other people what they "need" for the work they do or instructing other people about what their love and dedication should mean to them... who do you think you are, man? there are a couple of minor legit criticisms you can make of his handling of this tourney, but you're just going on a witch hunt about his personal income and it's honestly creepy and rude


Jesus.. You are picking out some sentences and telling me things like that, who do you the hell think you are? I already said before that I did not contribute, that it just was my personal opinion, and you guys can spend your money how you want and he can do whatever he wants. Don't get so emotional about that stuff. :D


I'd like to add my name to the people who thinks you (Kimb3r) is a nutbar.


That and good job Destiny! I think, if anything, making hosting and planning tournements suistainable (ie. they pay you a living wage) is one of the best way to grow the sc2 scene. Or you could shave your shave, light some incence and live off monk-like sc2 passion - it is a substitute for food, right?


I'd like to point out that guys like you we use to call "un gringo de la puta madre" or solely "hijo de p***"
Maru | Dark | Zest | Reynor | Scarlett
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
August 12 2014 01:37 GMT
#375
On August 12 2014 10:30 Chuddinater wrote:
I'm very sorry if I came off as rude in the email. That was not my intentions I just wanted to be honest and upfront with him at the time. What I was asking for was for him to sell me on his tournament, which I don't think is something rude. Maybe I should not be as honest when working with people I do not know in the future because they just might post your email on a public forum. It seems some people want me to just sugar coat my response, but I personally believe that being honest and upfront makes it so both parties know exactly what needs to get done.

Also I have read through the comments and people think KeSPA is demanding money or something to send our players, which is completely false. We don't get paid money by any tournament to send players.


what was his sell to kespa? was it really just oh your players could make minimal money and give kespa minimal exposure?
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
August 12 2014 01:38 GMT
#376
On August 12 2014 10:30 Chuddinater wrote:
I'm very sorry if I came off as rude in the email. That was not my intentions I just wanted to be honest and upfront with him at the time. What I was asking for was for him to sell me on his tournament, which I don't think is something rude. Maybe I should not be as honest when working with people I do not know in the future because they just might post your email on a public forum. It seems some people want me to just sugar coat my response, but I personally believe that being honest and upfront makes it so both parties know exactly what needs to get done.

Also I have read through the comments and people think KeSPA is demanding money or something to send our players, which is completely false. We don't get paid money by any tournament to send players.


I think the response Destiny might have been looking for would have been something like:

"Sorry, your tournament conflicts with Proleague finals so those players won't be available. I'll let other players who might be interested in joining your tournament know and see if anyone would like to participate."

It is such a shame that your players missed out on this opportunity to win some money, and that we viewers missed out on watching your great players play.
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Nacl(Draq)
Profile Joined February 2011
United States302 Posts
August 12 2014 01:39 GMT
#377
On August 12 2014 10:37 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 10:30 Chuddinater wrote:
I'm very sorry if I came off as rude in the email. That was not my intentions I just wanted to be honest and upfront with him at the time. What I was asking for was for him to sell me on his tournament, which I don't think is something rude. Maybe I should not be as honest when working with people I do not know in the future because they just might post your email on a public forum. It seems some people want me to just sugar coat my response, but I personally believe that being honest and upfront makes it so both parties know exactly what needs to get done.

Also I have read through the comments and people think KeSPA is demanding money or something to send our players, which is completely false. We don't get paid money by any tournament to send players.


what was his sell to kespa? was it really just oh your players could make minimal money and give kespa minimal exposure?


Asking questions of an organization in a public forum is not really the best way to handle things. This is a conversation to be had between Destiny and Kespa (or whoever Kespa wishes to have converse with Destiny.) If we get involved and muck things up it could turn out worse for all involved.

I would suggest we let the two main parties handle this as they are both more than capable of coming to a decision themselves.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
August 12 2014 01:40 GMT
#378
Lol kespa totally burned you destiny. Also why......does this post exist seems like your just trying to get money
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
August 12 2014 01:41 GMT
#379
On August 12 2014 10:30 Chuddinater wrote:
I'm very sorry if I came off as rude in the email. That was not my intentions I just wanted to be honest and upfront with him at the time. What I was asking for was for him to sell me on his tournament, which I don't think is something rude. Maybe I should not be as honest when working with people I do not know in the future because they just might post your email on a public forum. It seems some people want me to just sugar coat my response, but I personally believe that being honest and upfront makes it so both parties know exactly what needs to get done.

Also I have read through the comments and people think KeSPA is demanding money or something to send our players, which is completely false. We don't get paid money by any tournament to send players.

I think Destiny's approach was that he contacted you as an intermediary to pitch it to your players as an opportunity to play for a good chance at winning some prize money. He's not big [read: hates] on bureaucracy and red tape and seems to feel rebuffed by the way he was responded to, which was stonewalled. Given the language barrier and your access to the players, you were in a unique position to confer interest between the two parties.

Given that we don't have access to the entire conversation, I'm sure now that Destiny isn't scrambling to get invites out and information / funding sorted regarding the tournament, there can be an opportunity to work out where the mis-communication occurred and to sort that out privately.

I, for one, would be excited to see more big-name SC2 players able to participate in the tournament and would love to hear that you two worked something out behind the scenes to smooth this over.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
August 12 2014 01:42 GMT
#380
On August 12 2014 10:38 deathly rat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 10:30 Chuddinater wrote:
I'm very sorry if I came off as rude in the email. That was not my intentions I just wanted to be honest and upfront with him at the time. What I was asking for was for him to sell me on his tournament, which I don't think is something rude. Maybe I should not be as honest when working with people I do not know in the future because they just might post your email on a public forum. It seems some people want me to just sugar coat my response, but I personally believe that being honest and upfront makes it so both parties know exactly what needs to get done.

Also I have read through the comments and people think KeSPA is demanding money or something to send our players, which is completely false. We don't get paid money by any tournament to send players.


I think the response Destiny might have been looking for would have been something like:

"Sorry, your tournament conflicts with Proleague finals so those players won't be available. I'll let other players who might be interested in joining your tournament know and see if anyone would like to participate."

It is such a shame that your players missed out on this opportunity to win some money, and that we viewers missed out on watching your great players play.


you're acting like destiny was doing kespa a favor. lol
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