EPTThat said, the others involved should be getting a share of the booty, especially if those funding aren't aware beforehand of how it's going to be spent.
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mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
That said, the others involved should be getting a share of the booty, especially if those funding aren't aware beforehand of how it's going to be spent. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On August 12 2014 10:03 Kimb3r wrote: :D I'm obviously not appealing to a moral highground, I just wanted to point at that I DO know how it is to have a job monetarily even worse than McDonalds, and that it is okay to gain less if you do something out of love and dedication, in Destiny's case for a sport he loves. You do not need full recompensation for something you do out of reasons like that. i'm not sure where you think you get off telling other people what they "need" for the work they do or instructing other people about what their love and dedication should mean to them... who do you think you are, man? there are a couple of minor legit criticisms you can make of his handling of this tourney, but you're just going on a witch hunt about his personal income and it's honestly creepy and rude | ||
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Penev
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
On August 12 2014 10:07 brickrd wrote: i'm not sure where you think you get off telling other people what they "need" for the work they do or instructing other people about what their love and dedication should mean to them... who do you think you are, man? there are a couple of minor legit criticisms you can make of his handling of this tourney, but you're just going on a witch hunt about his personal income and it's honestly creepy and rude Jesus.. You are picking out some sentences and telling me things like that, who do you the hell think you are? I already said before that I did not contribute, that it just was my personal opinion, and you guys can spend your money how you want and he can do whatever he wants. Don't get so emotional about that stuff. :D | ||
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Nacl(Draq)
United States302 Posts
On August 12 2014 10:10 Kimb3r wrote: Jesus.. You are picking out some sentences and telling me things like that, who do you the hell think you are. I already said before that I did not contribute, that it just was my personal opinion, and you guys can spend your money how you want and he can do whatever he wants. Don't get so emotional about that stuff.. You spoke to TB. When you speak to the english you best be ready to have words spoken at you. Quickly! Brew some tea and bake some biscuits (a biscuit is a cookie). | ||
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Melix
United States89 Posts
On August 12 2014 09:53 Chuddinater wrote: Hello, I was the person who Destiny spoke with at KeSPA. I want to get ride of some misconceptions regarding sending B teamers and the issues with the timing of Destiny I. First here is the players he requested: SKTT1 soo, SKTT1 Soulkey, SKTT1 Parting, SKTT1 Classic, KT Rolster Zest, KT Rolster Flash, JinAir Greenwings Maru, Prime MKP, IM Trap Most of these players were playing the playoffs of Proleague and could have scheduling issues because of the Grand Finals. He was not asking for B teamers like other have suggested, but he wanted the top players to participate. This is exactly the reason why I asked the earlier question about whether there was additional dialogue between Destiny and Kespa besides just the letter that was posted. It looks like there was more to the story than just that isolated letter. If the list above is really who Destiny requested then it certainly is a bigger ask than random Kespa B teamers. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
On August 12 2014 10:12 Nacl(Draq) wrote: You spoke to TB. When you speak to the english you best be ready to have words spoken at you. Quickly! Brew some tea and bake some biscuits (a biscuit is a cookie). I'm proud he even responded, by a well-known internet-legend like him! Te amo de todo mi corazón, Galleta-total! | ||
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lokes
Argentina80 Posts
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mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
On August 12 2014 09:53 Chuddinater wrote: Hello, I was the person who Destiny spoke with at KeSPA. I want to get ride of some misconceptions regarding sending B teamers and the issues with the timing of Destiny I. First here is the players he requested: SKTT1 soo, SKTT1 Soulkey, SKTT1 Parting, SKTT1 Classic, KT Rolster Zest, KT Rolster Flash, JinAir Greenwings Maru, Prime MKP, IM Trap Most of these players were playing the playoffs of Proleague and could have scheduling issues because of the Grand Finals. He was not asking for B teamers like other have suggested, but he wanted the top players to participate. Your communications often come over as aggressive strong-arming and at times obviously untrue statements thrown in as if they strengthen your position. Is this how business is always done in Korea or is this a language barrier thing? To a western ear it seems very immature. The points were reasonable, the way they were made was not. It could be worded less confrontationally to not cause offence. As it is you were needlessly rude and that is now potentially denying your players income from future destiny tournaments. It seems very poor representation. | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
On August 12 2014 10:25 mostevil wrote: Your communications often come over as aggressive strong-arming and at times obviously untrue statements thrown in as if they strengthen your position. Is this how business is always done in Korea or is this a language barrier thing? To a western ear it seems very immature. The points were reasonable, the way they were made was not. It could be worded less confrontationally to not cause offence. As it is you were needlessly rude and that is now potentially denying your players income from future destiny tournaments. It seems very poor representation. Seriously.. do you really think this post does not seem rude? Is this how business is always done in Korea or is this a language barrier thing? Especially that sentence seems more tipical from a guy sitting high on his English horse, to be honest. | ||
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caznitch
Canada645 Posts
On August 12 2014 10:10 Kimb3r wrote: Jesus.. You are picking out some sentences and telling me things like that, who do you the hell think you are? I already said before that I did not contribute, that it just was my personal opinion, and you guys can spend your money how you want and he can do whatever he wants. Don't get so emotional about that stuff. :D I'd like to add my name to the people who thinks you (Kimb3r) is a nutbar. That and good job Destiny! I think, if anything, making hosting and planning tournements suistainable (ie. they pay you a living wage) is one of the best way to grow the sc2 scene. Or you could shave your shave, light some incence and live off monk-like sc2 passion - it is a substitute for food, right? | ||
Chuddinater
Korea (South)169 Posts
Also I have read through the comments and people think KeSPA is demanding money or something to send our players, which is completely false. We don't get paid money by any tournament to send players. | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
On August 12 2014 10:29 caznitch wrote: I'd like to add my name to the people who thinks you (Kimb3r) is a nutbar. That and good job Destiny! I think, if anything, making hosting and planning tournements suistainable (ie. they pay you a living wage) is one of the best way to grow the sc2 scene. Or you could shave your shave, light some incence and live off monk-like sc2 passion - it is a substitute for food, right? I'd like to point out that guys like you we use to call "un gringo de la puta madre" or solely "hijo de p***"  | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On August 12 2014 10:30 Chuddinater wrote: I'm very sorry if I came off as rude in the email. That was not my intentions I just wanted to be honest and upfront with him at the time. What I was asking for was for him to sell me on his tournament, which I don't think is something rude. Maybe I should not be as honest when working with people I do not know in the future because they just might post your email on a public forum. It seems some people want me to just sugar coat my response, but I personally believe that being honest and upfront makes it so both parties know exactly what needs to get done. Also I have read through the comments and people think KeSPA is demanding money or something to send our players, which is completely false. We don't get paid money by any tournament to send players. what was his sell to kespa? was it really just oh your players could make minimal money and give kespa minimal exposure? | ||
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deathly rat
United Kingdom911 Posts
On August 12 2014 10:30 Chuddinater wrote: I'm very sorry if I came off as rude in the email. That was not my intentions I just wanted to be honest and upfront with him at the time. What I was asking for was for him to sell me on his tournament, which I don't think is something rude. Maybe I should not be as honest when working with people I do not know in the future because they just might post your email on a public forum. It seems some people want me to just sugar coat my response, but I personally believe that being honest and upfront makes it so both parties know exactly what needs to get done. Also I have read through the comments and people think KeSPA is demanding money or something to send our players, which is completely false. We don't get paid money by any tournament to send players. I think the response Destiny might have been looking for would have been something like: "Sorry, your tournament conflicts with Proleague finals so those players won't be available. I'll let other players who might be interested in joining your tournament know and see if anyone would like to participate." It is such a shame that your players missed out on this opportunity to win some money, and that we viewers missed out on watching your great players play. | ||
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Nacl(Draq)
United States302 Posts
On August 12 2014 10:37 zev318 wrote: what was his sell to kespa? was it really just oh your players could make minimal money and give kespa minimal exposure? Asking questions of an organization in a public forum is not really the best way to handle things. This is a conversation to be had between Destiny and Kespa (or whoever Kespa wishes to have converse with Destiny.) If we get involved and muck things up it could turn out worse for all involved. I would suggest we let the two main parties handle this as they are both more than capable of coming to a decision themselves. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On August 12 2014 10:30 Chuddinater wrote: I'm very sorry if I came off as rude in the email. That was not my intentions I just wanted to be honest and upfront with him at the time. What I was asking for was for him to sell me on his tournament, which I don't think is something rude. Maybe I should not be as honest when working with people I do not know in the future because they just might post your email on a public forum. It seems some people want me to just sugar coat my response, but I personally believe that being honest and upfront makes it so both parties know exactly what needs to get done. Also I have read through the comments and people think KeSPA is demanding money or something to send our players, which is completely false. We don't get paid money by any tournament to send players. I think Destiny's approach was that he contacted you as an intermediary to pitch it to your players as an opportunity to play for a good chance at winning some prize money. He's not big [read: hates] on bureaucracy and red tape and seems to feel rebuffed by the way he was responded to, which was stonewalled. Given the language barrier and your access to the players, you were in a unique position to confer interest between the two parties. Given that we don't have access to the entire conversation, I'm sure now that Destiny isn't scrambling to get invites out and information / funding sorted regarding the tournament, there can be an opportunity to work out where the mis-communication occurred and to sort that out privately. I, for one, would be excited to see more big-name SC2 players able to participate in the tournament and would love to hear that you two worked something out behind the scenes to smooth this over. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On August 12 2014 10:38 deathly rat wrote: I think the response Destiny might have been looking for would have been something like: "Sorry, your tournament conflicts with Proleague finals so those players won't be available. I'll let other players who might be interested in joining your tournament know and see if anyone would like to participate." It is such a shame that your players missed out on this opportunity to win some money, and that we viewers missed out on watching your great players play. you're acting like destiny was doing kespa a favor. lol | ||
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