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SortOf leaves Alliance.
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
Best of luck to sortof | ||
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johnbongham
451 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
I hope he finds a team, maybe a Korean one? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 01 2014 05:17 ZenithM wrote: Probably one of the most talented up-and-coming zerg players out there :/ I hope he finds a team, maybe a Korean one? up and coming? | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
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FragsterTex
Germany6 Posts
On August 01 2014 05:25 TAMinator wrote: tweet doesnt really say whether he left or they kicked him out.... I guess, since it's the end of the month, his contract was just running out. Closing the SC2 section makes seance for Alliance I guess, at least since Naniwa retired. TBH SortOf seemed to be on the way down. Now he even dropped out of Challenger  | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 01 2014 05:25 TAMinator wrote: tweet doesnt really say whether he left or they kicked him out.... I mean they made the team for NaNiwa and SortOf hasn't been exactly very successful recently | ||
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swag_bro
Japan782 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
In 2012 he was an up and coming player xD | ||
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paddyz
Ireland628 Posts
In 2012 he was Patch Zerg personified XD | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2217 Posts
Aeromi; Are you teamless? SortOfSC; Sort of. | ||
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
On August 01 2014 05:39 Ctone23 wrote: At least foreigners won back then In 2012? About as much or even less then now. | ||
vult
United States9400 Posts
plz no patchzerg responses... | ||
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Betelgeuse
Canada210 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On August 01 2014 06:02 Betelgeuse wrote: the bigger thing here is, what does this mean for EG's SC2 team. If they are pulling funding out of alliance will they put more into SC2 (even just a little bit) or will they also be pulling money out of there sc2 team all together :/ The trend is that EG spends less and less on Sc2 | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
Vortix had that reputation, I don't remember SortOf having it? | ||
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WetSocks
United States953 Posts
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On August 01 2014 06:02 Betelgeuse wrote: the bigger thing here is, what does this mean for EG's SC2 team. If they are pulling funding out of alliance will they put more into SC2 (even just a little bit) or will they also be pulling money out of there sc2 team all together :/ EG certainly didn't get big by spending money on things that don't make them profit... So yeah, who knows. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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BeastRoW
Canada16 Posts
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DinosaurJones
United States1000 Posts
On August 01 2014 05:54 Edpayasugo wrote: I wish it had gone like this; Aeromi; Are you teamless? SortOfSC; Sort of. This post needs some love. | ||
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Betelgeuse
Canada210 Posts
On August 01 2014 06:27 BeastRoW wrote: Well, it doesn't mean that alliance won't ever get another sc2 player again. true - but it doesn't look to promising. | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
On August 01 2014 05:17 johnbongham wrote: Just as EG dumped cs entirely, it will eventually dump SC2 entirely. Alex Garfield simply milks the cow while its full and then quietly disappears. Yeah, atrocious. There's even a name for such mischief   + Show Spoiler + business | ||
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iamcaustic
Canada1509 Posts
On August 01 2014 06:07 boxerfred wrote: Vortix had that reputation, I don't remember SortOf having it? Every new, successful foreign Zerg had it during that time. Vortix has managed to prove he's more than what a patch provides, but for some others... | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On August 01 2014 06:07 boxerfred wrote: Vortix had that reputation, I don't remember SortOf having it? Vortix had that reputation? hows that possible when he put up wc3 results 2008, 2009? oO I don't really know what happened to SortOf. I remember a tournament where he faced HyuN in the first round offline and i was convinced he would win - and he did (4-2?) He fell off dramatically compared to other zergs in the last ~15 moths. | ||
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Twine
France246 Posts
Maybe people who have access to Battlenet could ask him few questions about that? I personnaly can't | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On August 01 2014 05:56 MrMercuG wrote: In 2012? About as much or even less then now. Oops, you're right. I'm stuck in 2010-11 | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On August 01 2014 06:07 boxerfred wrote: Vortix had that reputation, I don't remember SortOf having it? SortOf is the iconic patch zerg to me. The peak of his career was during the BL/infestor heydey and he never came close to recovering after that disappeared. Other players certainly benefited from the patch (Snute was one of the only players who didn't really take full advantage) but SortOf lived and died by it. | ||
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
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Caliber
United States598 Posts
SortOf is the iconic patch zerg to me. The peak of his career was during the BL/infestor heydey and he never came close to recovering after that disappeared. Other players certainly benefited from the patch (Snute was one of the only players who didn't really take full advantage) but SortOf lived and died by it. More so than JonnyREcco? | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On August 01 2014 07:15 tree.hugger wrote: SortOf is the iconic patch zerg to me. The peak of his career was during the BL/infestor heydey and he never came close to recovering after that disappeared. Other players certainly benefited from the patch (Snute was one of the only players who didn't really take full advantage) but SortOf lived and died by it. I would say Jrecco. Sortof at least beat a few good people after those infestor/blord days. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
Don't expect Alliance to put up another SC2 player unless theres some surprisingly good "new" performing EU player. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
On August 01 2014 05:17 johnbongham wrote: Just as EG dumped cs entirely, it will eventually dump SC2 entirely. Alex Garfield simply milks the cow while its full and then quietly disappears. Which is a completely reasonable thing to do. They are a business dude t.t. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On August 01 2014 06:22 Canucklehead wrote: Jaedong is really the only sc2 player they need on the team now so it wouldn't surprise me if everyone else but him gets cut eventually. EGJD, SKMC. I'm starting to see parallels, and that sucks. I'd really love EG if they'd become competitive again. Currently, they simply aren't (I'm not willing to insult any of the EG hired players - but it's no 2012 level of EG). | ||
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
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johnbongham
451 Posts
On August 01 2014 08:20 TBone- wrote: Which is a completely reasonable thing to do. They are a business dude t.t. Wow we got a regular Aristotle over here. No shit EG is a business. They are much more a business than an esports organization. Just throwing that out there to those who value loyalty to a scene over $$$$$$$. Alex Garfield doesn't give a shit about the fans, he is just lining his pockets driven by nothing but his thirst for more money. EG has gone from being the ultimate underdog cs team to being the mcdonalds of esports and Alliance is the new Chipotle. Wouldn't be surprised if they even kick Jaedong before he wises up and leaves on his own accord. It was especially annoying when EG was rubbing off on TL for a while. This my opinion, feel free to disagree or sick incontrol on me or whatever. pizza.gg User was warned for this post | ||
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splasha
Brazil86 Posts
more than Ziktomini ? | ||
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zelevin
United States311 Posts
On August 01 2014 05:17 johnbongham wrote: Just as EG dumped cs entirely, it will eventually dump SC2 entirely. Alex Garfield simply milks the cow while its full and then quietly disappears. Business continues as usual. | ||
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splasha
Brazil86 Posts
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johnbongham
451 Posts
On August 01 2014 10:17 splasha wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/463744-some-thoughts Sounds like a player whose organization failed to properly support him in his pursuits as a professional gamer. Not only did he not have any teammates, he was basically sitting in his bedroom without any real direction it sounds like :/. EG curse is real - but its not a curse - its a result of bad business where drama, hype, and big sponsors take the place of practicing hard and unlocking a player's true potential. Thankfully we have a good number of teams that put the game first still. I expect this dude to come back big once he finds a team that believes in him. Sortof fighting! | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On August 01 2014 08:48 johnbongham wrote: Wow we got a regular Aristotle over here. No shit EG is a business. They are much more a business than an esports organization. Just throwing that out there to those who value loyalty to a scene over $$$$$$$. Alex Garfield doesn't give a shit about the fans, he is just lining his pockets driven by nothing but his thirst for more money. EG has gone from being the ultimate underdog cs team to being the mcdonalds of esports and Alliance is the new Chipotle. Wouldn't be surprised if they even kick Jaedong before he wises up and leaves on his own accord. It was especially annoying when EG was rubbing off on TL for a while. This my opinion, feel free to disagree or sick incontrol on me or whatever. pizza.gg User was warned for this post In eSports, most teams don't have the funds to "value scene loyalty over $$$." You acknowledge EG is a business, then proceed to get mad at EG for being a business. That's kind of how it works. They didn't give him the best set up, which is not a good business practice. But scene hopping and being smart with its money is why EG has been around for ages. | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
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johnbongham
451 Posts
On August 01 2014 10:48 negativedge wrote: but it's kind of important to try to help and build the scenes you are a part of rather than come off as a mercenary entity, and that's something EG has always had problems with. once the best times are over--and this happens with every game--it takes the devotion of people who actually feel invested to keep the game going. what would happen to SC in Korea right now if the kespa teams completely left SC2 to focus on LoL? could you ever see TSM pulling out of League? and so forth. there's a happy medium here. Exactly. EG is deserving of ridicule for the way they conduct business. I assume that everyone is here because they love starcraft and want to see it thrive, maybe even grow. EG doesn't want to be a part of that anymore. I hope Jaedong realizes this sometime soon. I hate seeing his results suffer. He would be much better off on a real starcraft team. | ||
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SirPinky
United States525 Posts
On August 01 2014 10:57 johnbongham wrote: Exactly. EG is deserving of ridicule for the way they conduct business. I assume that everyone is here because they love starcraft and want to see it thrive, maybe even grow. EG doesn't want to be a part of that anymore. I hope Jaedong realizes this sometime soon. I hate seeing his results suffer. He would be much better off on a real starcraft team. Regardless of how you feel about a team, shrinkage for the gaming community is not good. An example of this is the Destiny tournament: Personally, I think the guy needs a HEPA filter over his mouth but I respect the fact he took the initiative to contribute 4k to a game I want to see grow. I think there needs to be more personalities in this game than players (this is an unfortunate fact, imo). North Americans love shock value; this sometimes supersedes skill level (i.e. Idra in his older years). If you can ever find both, then you are gold. MC is getting there with his funny antics - this is my closest example. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
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yido
United States350 Posts
I probably will be getting a CM Spawn instead of repurchasing Razer Abyssus as well. Also switching to redbull instead of monster when I want to upset my stomach. Seriously though, this EG feels completely different from the one that kept Machine around forever because he was "like family". Picking up NA talents like Suppy to boost NA talent pool. Now after dumping their Proleague roster unceremoniously they decide to close down Alliance Sc2? ^SirPinky, I agree with everything about being grateful for any monetary support for sc2 eSport. But I strongly think that for eSports to become legitimate in the public's eye, it needs to reform into something that demands professionalism and is driven by talent/skill. | ||
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WoodLeagueAllStar
United States806 Posts
I think Its just that they don't want to dump too much into a contracting game. Also its damn hard to have a successful SC2 team anyway, almost discouraging to even put money into this scene. Axiom still struggles to go very far with their players and arguably they are overall a better team then EG. You almost have to have connections deep in the Korean underground and pick up 16 year old talent to have a chance at serious success. Whereas you can get a bunch of talented NA and EU players in DOTA2 and get some serious dosh even with 3rd place it was a million bucks IIRC. If EG wanted too they could probably be the #2 foreign team if they were willing to blow up and go Axiom type buying spree on team less talent but that would be a lot of work and the people who watch EG would be sad all their personalities left so... | ||
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SirPinky
United States525 Posts
On August 01 2014 12:06 yido wrote: Makes me feel good about my CM QuickFire purchase over Razer Blackwidow. I probably will be getting a CM Spawn instead of repurchasing Razer Abyssus as well. Also switching to redbull instead of monster when I want to upset my stomach. Seriously though, this EG feels completely different from the one that kept Machine around forever because he was "like family". Picking up NA talents like Suppy to boost NA talent pool. Now after dumping their Proleague roster unceremoniously they decide to close down Alliance Sc2? ^SirPinky, I agree with everything about being grateful for any monetary support for sc2 eSport. But I strongly think that for eSports to become legitimate in the public's eye, it needs to reform into something that demands professionalism and is driven by talent/skill. Sc2 has a barrier of entry that is hard to overcome. Most people don't know what a 2-base; 7-gate blink all-in is versus Terran, but they do understand when the losing opponent says, "Eat shit, you fuckin' noobie". Most new players would be inquisitive about how a game could make someone so upset. Even when, to the naked eye, it looks like a normal RTS engagement. I think that kind of gameplay helps draw in a new crowd (whether it be positive or negative). Just remember (if you were around), the biggest boom in tennis was when Andre Agassi and Pete Sampras were around throwing their tennis rackets at each other and cursing at the Refs. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
On August 01 2014 05:17 johnbongham wrote: Just as EG dumped cs entirely, it will eventually dump SC2 entirely. Alex Garfield simply milks the cow while its full and then quietly disappears. I think Alex Garfield just wants results. And to be the best team in any esports game. Idk why you make that statement. EG does a lot as a team for sc2. It's just the game is not that good anymore to watch. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On August 01 2014 10:48 negativedge wrote: but it's kind of important to try to help and build the scenes you are a part of rather than come off as a mercenary entity, and that's something EG has always had problems with. once the best times are over--and this happens with every game--it takes the devotion of people who actually feel invested to keep the game going. what would happen to SC in Korea right now if the kespa teams completely left SC2 to focus on LoL? could you ever see TSM pulling out of League? and so forth. there's a happy medium here. This just isn't realistic unless you can convince the sponsors that supporting a long time investment into a niche scene is likely to yield future profit. Alex has people he answers to, he's not the king of EG, unless he can justify his investments, he will be get replaced by someone who can. What would happen in Korea if the teams left Sc2? That seems rather obvious, the Korean scene would disappear. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On August 01 2014 12:06 yido wrote: Makes me feel good about my CM QuickFire purchase over Razer Blackwidow. I probably will be getting a CM Spawn instead of repurchasing Razer Abyssus as well. Also switching to redbull instead of monster when I want to upset my stomach. Seriously though, this EG feels completely different from the one that kept Machine around forever because he was "like family". Picking up NA talents like Suppy to boost NA talent pool. Now after dumping their Proleague roster unceremoniously they decide to close down Alliance Sc2? ^SirPinky, I agree with everything about being grateful for any monetary support for sc2 eSport. But I strongly think that for eSports to become legitimate in the public's eye, it needs to reform into something that demands professionalism and is driven by talent/skill. You know that Razer also sponsor TeamLiquidPro? | ||
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insitelol
845 Posts
On August 01 2014 12:06 yido wrote: Makes me feel good about my CM QuickFire purchase over Razer Blackwidow. I probably will be getting a CM Spawn instead of repurchasing Razer Abyssus as well. Also switching to redbull instead of monster when I want to upset my stomach. Seriously though, this EG feels completely different from the one that kept Machine around forever because he was "like family". Picking up NA talents like Suppy to boost NA talent pool. Now after dumping their Proleague roster unceremoniously they decide to close down Alliance Sc2? Less drama please. Closing Alliance SC2 devision? Are you serious? There were never an Alliance SC2 devision to start things off. It was a personal Naniwa sponsoriship. SorOf fell of the scene years ago. In fact, in the times he was signed he already didn't have any results for ages. so him leaving (or being kicked) doesnt mean anything. It all ("Alliance SC2 devision") lost any sense when Nani retired. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On August 01 2014 16:39 Faust852 wrote: You know that Razer also sponsor TeamLiquidPro? Or realize it doesn't at all matter who you buy from. Most advertisers do it for the brand recognition, so when you choose which product you buy, you are more likely to buy one because you've seen it before. Buying because a sponsor supports a certain team is rather silly imo. Simply buy the best product on the market, that will push companies to make a better product, rather than throwing money into things that aren't profitable. | ||
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Teodice
Sweden641 Posts
On August 01 2014 16:48 FiWiFaKi wrote: Or realize it doesn't at all matter who you buy from. Most advertisers do it for the brand recognition, so when you choose which product you buy, you are more likely to buy one because you've seen it before. Buying because a sponsor supports a certain team is rather silly imo. Simply buy the best product on the market, that will push companies to make a better product, rather than throwing money into things that aren't profitable. Well if you look at SteelSeries sponsorship history they used pretty much 95% of their marketing budget on teams. Up until late years they havn´t focused on ads, streaming names or entertainment in general. Marketing through teams simply introduces products to the fans who might get a chance to try out the gear through the teams etc. The simple idea that the fans want to have the same gear as their favorite player. Razer uses a slighly different model but has always been on the team sponsorship side as well obviously. | ||
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napo
Romania622 Posts
On August 01 2014 05:17 johnbongham wrote: Just as EG dumped cs entirely, it will eventually dump SC2 entirely. Alex Garfield simply milks the cow while its full and then quietly disappears. Well, you know, thats how businesses work in the real world. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On August 01 2014 16:48 FiWiFaKi wrote: Or realize it doesn't at all matter who you buy from. Most advertisers do it for the brand recognition, so when you choose which product you buy, you are more likely to buy one because you've seen it before. Buying because a sponsor supports a certain team is rather silly imo. Simply buy the best product on the market, that will push companies to make a better product, rather than throwing money into things that aren't profitable. I don't know, lot of high end gears are more or less equal in quality. So the desider is usually your preference. I bought my 6GV2 and my Sensei because Mvp uses them. I have nothing against Razer but since I didn't know what to buy, the fact that my favourite player uses this modele make me buy Steelseries instead of Razer or Roccat. | ||
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LeviathanDK
Denmark87 Posts
On August 01 2014 05:17 ZenithM wrote: Probably one of the most talented up-and-coming zerg players out there :/ I hope he finds a team, maybe a Korean one? u drunk? why would a korean team pick him up when they can pick up any young upcoming korean that is way better than him  | ||
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yido
United States350 Posts
I was only trying to show my support for a player I respect and admire, if I want to show my disappointment in his release by a Razer sponsored team I have the right to do it through switching merchandise loyalty. And yea I know Razer sponsors liquid, but having a negative response about a sponsor wasn't prohibited on liquid forums either. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On August 01 2014 23:33 LeviathanDK wrote: u drunk? why would a korean team pick him up when they can pick up any young upcoming korean that is way better than him Yeah, therefore many people tried to tell him that in nice words as an answer to his blog. | ||
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Xhiz
Portugal11 Posts
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zauron
Russian Federation17 Posts
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Bjarne
Germany192 Posts
On August 01 2014 08:48 johnbongham wrote: Wow we got a regular Aristotle over here. No shit EG is a business. They are much more a business than an esports organization. Just throwing that out there to those who value loyalty to a scene over $$$$$$$. Alex Garfield doesn't give a shit about the fans, he is just lining his pockets driven by nothing but his thirst for more money. EG has gone from being the ultimate underdog cs team to being the mcdonalds of esports and Alliance is the new Chipotle. Wouldn't be surprised if they even kick Jaedong before he wises up and leaves on his own accord. It was especially annoying when EG was rubbing off on TL for a while. This my opinion, feel free to disagree or sick incontrol on me or whatever. pizza.gg User was warned for this post Uuuuuh, so many BS "No shit EG is a business" - BS sentence "Alex Garfield doesn't give a shit about the fans" - just wrong BS "he is just lining his pockets driven by nothing but his thirst for more money" - pathetic BS "Wouldn't be surprised if they even kick Jaedong" - speculative BS [A] was a way to give Naniwa a home in esport without joining EG officially. SortOf just came along and got there. Now both are gone. So what? NOTHING changed to EG, they still have a full lineup with two players in NA-Premier and with Xeno a good up and coming one. I feel sad for SortOf because i dont think he will find a good team. None the less: Good Luck!!! | ||
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Penev
28512 Posts
No he isn't; Stephano won NASL and LSC in 2012 | ||
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