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Can't people just not type stupid shit? I mean, is that really that hard?
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What's done is done, I think its best to drop it, since there's basically two sides of this argument and none of them will concede their view point ever. Punishment was dealt to a person who deserved it, and people's view points were made. We can probably just move on now.
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On June 16 2014 17:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 17:07 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:54 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:52 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:40 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:32 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. Well to each their own as well, everyone has their own belief on what they would define as control/rage/honesty/insensitive/over the line, you could just read through this thread if you don't believe that. Now jumping to a conclusion like he shouldn't play sc2 is just silly, not all problems in life stem from sc2 or correlate directly with sc2. It's unfortunate that he did drop that comment, but for the sake of punishment and appearance IVD did about as good of a job handling this as they could. Only thing I'm wondering is why you didn't bring this up with IVD, tournies/organizers/sponsors that revolve around RuFF internally? By posting to the public you know what drama it will create with the following you hold, life situation, and fans of ROOT Gaming. Well I'm pretty sure insulting someone with a chronic disease goes against everything his own team stood for. The owner himself has crohns disease. So in this case, the line is pretty clear. I posted it to the public because I was hurt by the comment. I understand why it was offensive and the line he crossed, it's just not a battle that effects me personally in any way so I'm attempting to state it with some perspective. Even if you were hurt by his comment. you talk about controlling self as well. By posting to the public, you brought drama/hate at a person who you claim "needs some help." All that hate isn't exactly going to help the guy either. All I'm saying is there are better ways to handle these scenarios being in the professional position you are. You can't just dish advice and not be able to eat it yourself. Who said I can't take advice as well? I should have controlled myself and went behind the scenes instead of posting it to the public. I haven't argued otherwise. Then, why did you post in this thread talking about him and control, you already got your point across and punishment has been handed down. There's no need to continue throwing more kindling on a wildfire......... I can't have a single post in the thread explaining my end?
Do what you gotta do, just keep in mind the consequences. This community is relentless when pitchforking.
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On June 16 2014 17:19 Chaggi wrote:
Can't people just not type stupid shit? I mean, is that really that hard?
"welcome... to the real world"
If it's surprising to you, you better get used to it, sadly ^^
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Let me just state that people should think twice before speaking their asses off here. TB might sound overly aggresive to some of you, but real life diseases we are talking about here makes you stop closing eyes before random harmful insults such as Ruff's comment you would otherwise let go. So get some perspective and real view on things before judging and arguing.
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On June 16 2014 17:20 cheeseheadlogic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 17:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 17:07 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:54 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:52 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:40 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:32 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. Well to each their own as well, everyone has their own belief on what they would define as control/rage/honesty/insensitive/over the line, you could just read through this thread if you don't believe that. Now jumping to a conclusion like he shouldn't play sc2 is just silly, not all problems in life stem from sc2 or correlate directly with sc2. It's unfortunate that he did drop that comment, but for the sake of punishment and appearance IVD did about as good of a job handling this as they could. Only thing I'm wondering is why you didn't bring this up with IVD, tournies/organizers/sponsors that revolve around RuFF internally? By posting to the public you know what drama it will create with the following you hold, life situation, and fans of ROOT Gaming. Well I'm pretty sure insulting someone with a chronic disease goes against everything his own team stood for. The owner himself has crohns disease. So in this case, the line is pretty clear. I posted it to the public because I was hurt by the comment. I understand why it was offensive and the line he crossed, it's just not a battle that effects me personally in any way so I'm attempting to state it with some perspective. Even if you were hurt by his comment. you talk about controlling self as well. By posting to the public, you brought drama/hate at a person who you claim "needs some help." All that hate isn't exactly going to help the guy either. All I'm saying is there are better ways to handle these scenarios being in the professional position you are. You can't just dish advice and not be able to eat it yourself. Who said I can't take advice as well? I should have controlled myself and went behind the scenes instead of posting it to the public. I haven't argued otherwise. Then, why did you post in this thread talking about him and control, you already got your point across and punishment has been handed down. There's no need to continue throwing more kindling on a wildfire......... I can't have a single post in the thread explaining my end? This community is relentless when pitchforking.
Yes you sure showed him that, didnt you.
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Honestly, anyone bogged up in drama/controversy has already made a bad name for themselves in my book.
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On June 16 2014 11:44 NonY wrote:
The team's gotta do what it's gotta do, that's fine, but I'm concerned about the culture in our community when it comes to ragers. I have way more patience with a guy who rages while losing than the smug and cruel people who poke the ragers and abuse them and laugh at them. You can't hate ragers for raging while also contributing to their rage. There are a lot of players who try to be good people in general but lose themselves sometimes and cross the line. And there are also a lot of people who know exactly where the line is and have complete control of themselves and are as big of assholes as they can get away with, especially to the ragers. It'd be nice if everyone tried to be productive and helpful, and not see every guy who crosses the line as an opportunity to be hateful and get away with it.
I'm not saying ruff and minigun are examples of either end of the spectrum. I'm just using this latest drama as an opportunity to point out this reality. Ruff doesn't deserve to be a punching bag because of this one comment and everyone who ever prodded him on for their own amusement is partially responsible. I used to think people should take a laugh whenever they can get it, but sometimes it's just too selfish and a fellow human being deserves more than being laughed at for their shortcomings.
completely agree with everything. And as someone who often goes full retard after losing and flames i hope my opponents understand as i do that most bullshit said right after a loss is just to vent and that i think none of it, and i feel bad about it later on everytime.
I can't stand players that pretend to be manner in public say gg every time they lose but then try to push your buttons with their actions or the way they play and sometimes even by just doing things like manner mules, who the fuck is it that decided that this was fine but not saying gg is not. So i complete disagreement with a lot of those things i have decided not to write gg anymore after losing a game EVER and rather to congratulate my opponents later on with a message or if offline a handshake.
There are players that think that the fact i also dont chat ( so no gl aswell ) in start of games is because i'm bm or i don't like them but really it's just because i must have add and forgot my gameplan a million times after geting too chatty early on in games and went on autopilot with my build.
Anyway what RuFF said is obviously pretty bad and i'm not saying he was punished too harshly, what i can tell u is that i and many others have said much worse and we obviously didnt mean it so i hope it will be left at that and there will be no more bashing from anybody.
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On June 16 2014 17:46 ninazerg wrote:
Edit: nvm
I like cats.
Dat NinaZerg Spam won't stop!! :O
Well, long time no drama. Pretty badly mannered from both. Why not contact the Teammanager is they have such a history. The surly could supsended him and talk to him.
On June 16 2014 18:26 ToD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 11:44 NonY wrote:
The team's gotta do what it's gotta do, that's fine, but I'm concerned about the culture in our community when it comes to ragers. I have way more patience with a guy who rages while losing than the smug and cruel people who poke the ragers and abuse them and laugh at them. You can't hate ragers for raging while also contributing to their rage. There are a lot of players who try to be good people in general but lose themselves sometimes and cross the line. And there are also a lot of people who know exactly where the line is and have complete control of themselves and are as big of assholes as they can get away with, especially to the ragers. It'd be nice if everyone tried to be productive and helpful, and not see every guy who crosses the line as an opportunity to be hateful and get away with it.
I'm not saying ruff and minigun are examples of either end of the spectrum. I'm just using this latest drama as an opportunity to point out this reality. Ruff doesn't deserve to be a punching bag because of this one comment and everyone who ever prodded him on for their own amusement is partially responsible. I used to think people should take a laugh whenever they can get it, but sometimes it's just too selfish and a fellow human being deserves more than being laughed at for their shortcomings. i have decided not to write gg anymore after losing a game EVER
Frenchmen so BM.
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On June 16 2014 11:44 NonY wrote:
The team's gotta do what it's gotta do, that's fine, but I'm concerned about the culture in our community when it comes to ragers. I have way more patience with a guy who rages while losing than the smug and cruel people who poke the ragers and abuse them and laugh at them. You can't hate ragers for raging while also contributing to their rage. There are a lot of players who try to be good people in general but lose themselves sometimes and cross the line. And there are also a lot of people who know exactly where the line is and have complete control of themselves and are as big of assholes as they can get away with, especially to the ragers. It'd be nice if everyone tried to be productive and helpful, and not see every guy who crosses the line as an opportunity to be hateful and get away with it.
I'm not saying ruff and minigun are examples of either end of the spectrum. I'm just using this latest drama as an opportunity to point out this reality. Ruff doesn't deserve to be a punching bag because of this one comment and everyone who ever prodded him on for their own amusement is partially responsible. I used to think people should take a laugh whenever they can get it, but sometimes it's just too selfish and a fellow human being deserves more than being laughed at for their shortcomings.
Wow, didn't expect to encounter some actual wisdom in this thread. Quoting this because it's a must-read.
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aaaw bluq is so excited, do you have a crush on ninazerg 
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On June 16 2014 16:54 ROOTMinigun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 16:52 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:40 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:32 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. Well to each their own as well, everyone has their own belief on what they would define as control/rage/honesty/insensitive/over the line, you could just read through this thread if you don't believe that. Now jumping to a conclusion like he shouldn't play sc2 is just silly, not all problems in life stem from sc2 or correlate directly with sc2. It's unfortunate that he did drop that comment, but for the sake of punishment and appearance IVD did about as good of a job handling this as they could. Only thing I'm wondering is why you didn't bring this up with IVD, tournies/organizers/sponsors that revolve around RuFF internally? By posting to the public you know what drama it will create with the following you hold, life situation, and fans of ROOT Gaming. Well I'm pretty sure insulting someone with a chronic disease goes against everything his own team stood for. The owner himself has crohns disease. So in this case, the line is pretty clear. I posted it to the public because I was hurt by the comment. I understand why it was offensive and the line he crossed, it's just not a battle that effects me personally in any way so I'm attempting to state it with some perspective. Even if you were hurt by his comment. you talk about controlling self as well. By posting to the public, you brought drama/hate at a person who you claim "needs some help." All that hate isn't exactly going to help the guy either. All I'm saying is there are better ways to handle these scenarios being in the professional position you are. You can't just dish advice and not be able to eat it yourself. Who said I can't take advice as well? I should have controlled myself and went behind the scenes instead of posting it to the public. I haven't argued otherwise.
One would say you should then go ahead and apologize to Ruff for not handling it correctly. Just saying, to keep it fair. I admit my thinking is twisted here.. :p
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On June 16 2014 18:35 TT1 wrote:aaaw bluq is so excited, do you have a crush on ninazerg
Not only one
hope made nina proud with my double double post xD
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On June 16 2014 18:39 Everlong wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 16:54 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:52 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:40 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:32 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. Well to each their own as well, everyone has their own belief on what they would define as control/rage/honesty/insensitive/over the line, you could just read through this thread if you don't believe that. Now jumping to a conclusion like he shouldn't play sc2 is just silly, not all problems in life stem from sc2 or correlate directly with sc2. It's unfortunate that he did drop that comment, but for the sake of punishment and appearance IVD did about as good of a job handling this as they could. Only thing I'm wondering is why you didn't bring this up with IVD, tournies/organizers/sponsors that revolve around RuFF internally? By posting to the public you know what drama it will create with the following you hold, life situation, and fans of ROOT Gaming. Well I'm pretty sure insulting someone with a chronic disease goes against everything his own team stood for. The owner himself has crohns disease. So in this case, the line is pretty clear. I posted it to the public because I was hurt by the comment. I understand why it was offensive and the line he crossed, it's just not a battle that effects me personally in any way so I'm attempting to state it with some perspective. Even if you were hurt by his comment. you talk about controlling self as well. By posting to the public, you brought drama/hate at a person who you claim "needs some help." All that hate isn't exactly going to help the guy either. All I'm saying is there are better ways to handle these scenarios being in the professional position you are. You can't just dish advice and not be able to eat it yourself. Who said I can't take advice as well? I should have controlled myself and went behind the scenes instead of posting it to the public. I haven't argued otherwise. One would say you should then go ahead and apologize to Ruff for not handling it correctly. Just saying, to keep it fair. I admit my thinking is twisted here.. :p
Yeah that is definitely not going to happen.
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I agree with Nony's point, also this faux outrage that occurs over every morally questionable thing that the famous and influential do has really seeped into this scene. We're no better than E News and the likes these days , 25 page thread on Ruff, really?
That said, I also feel he was in the wrong and Minigun was right to stick screenshots up there.
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On June 16 2014 18:41 ROOTMinigun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 18:39 Everlong wrote:On June 16 2014 16:54 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:52 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:40 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:32 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. Well to each their own as well, everyone has their own belief on what they would define as control/rage/honesty/insensitive/over the line, you could just read through this thread if you don't believe that. Now jumping to a conclusion like he shouldn't play sc2 is just silly, not all problems in life stem from sc2 or correlate directly with sc2. It's unfortunate that he did drop that comment, but for the sake of punishment and appearance IVD did about as good of a job handling this as they could. Only thing I'm wondering is why you didn't bring this up with IVD, tournies/organizers/sponsors that revolve around RuFF internally? By posting to the public you know what drama it will create with the following you hold, life situation, and fans of ROOT Gaming. Well I'm pretty sure insulting someone with a chronic disease goes against everything his own team stood for. The owner himself has crohns disease. So in this case, the line is pretty clear. I posted it to the public because I was hurt by the comment. I understand why it was offensive and the line he crossed, it's just not a battle that effects me personally in any way so I'm attempting to state it with some perspective. Even if you were hurt by his comment. you talk about controlling self as well. By posting to the public, you brought drama/hate at a person who you claim "needs some help." All that hate isn't exactly going to help the guy either. All I'm saying is there are better ways to handle these scenarios being in the professional position you are. You can't just dish advice and not be able to eat it yourself. Who said I can't take advice as well? I should have controlled myself and went behind the scenes instead of posting it to the public. I haven't argued otherwise. One would say you should then go ahead and apologize to Ruff for not handling it correctly. Just saying, to keep it fair. I admit my thinking is twisted here.. :p Yeah that is definitely not going to happen.
I know, don't worry man. Good luck fighting your health issues! Showing mercy is also a way to handle the tension.
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LOL american SC2 scene =D
The English invented chess boxing, you guys should totally invent SC2 Wrestling.
Instead of folding chairs there will be spare keyboards stashed under the main stage to beat each other up with =D
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