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I'm going to wake up laughing about
"See you on Reddit"
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On June 16 2014 15:34 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 15:34 Darkhorse wrote:On June 16 2014 15:24 ninazerg wrote:
Congratulations on 17,000 posts. Ugh I feel like I've posted 17,000 times in just this thread. I am a tired dirty spammer. Good night moon. Good night stars. Good night thread. Good night... bowl of mush.
And goodnight old biscuit, whispering hush.
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On June 16 2014 15:21 ROOTCatZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 15:19 FXOTheoRy wrote:On June 16 2014 14:47 ROOTCatZ wrote:On June 16 2014 13:59 NonY wrote:On June 16 2014 13:26 ROOTCatZ wrote:On June 16 2014 12:59 NonY wrote:On June 16 2014 12:30 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Also I don't understand how it's so wrong to troll them. If they're going to be dicks then they're going to get treated accordingly. Let's say there's a guy who losers his temper and says something inappropriate every 1 in 100 times he loses a game. He plays 30 games a day, loses 15 of them, so he says something bad about once a week. Now, depending on how people react and what kind of environment he's in, that rate can either go up or go down. There's no doubt in my mind that when people respond to venom with venom, that rate goes up. And it's not only that, but there are people who very clearly recognize a known rager and try to get them to rage just to laugh at their rage (and so their viewers can laugh too). In other words, there are people who purposely try to increase that rate. Let that influence happen over several years to an impressionable young kid, and you turn him into a guy who has a nasty comment at the end of nearly every loss. Personally I block almost every rager I encounter while streaming. SC2 practice is not the time to try to help a guy with a rage problem, but I do my best to not feed his rage. I play the best I can to win the game, which is the most respectful thing I can do, and I simply say gg and leave if I've lost. I think these simple policies would go a long way toward improving the community if everyone who was capable of doing them actually did them. I haven't been doing this for long, but I've done it pretty consistently for a little while now and I'm gonna keep doing it for as long as I can. There are some hopeless cases but there are also always some people who could either get worse or get better. It is absolutely ignorant to think you don't have some influence over the people you interact with and you ought to take responsibility for that influence. And with regard to the hopeless cases, I definitely think there's something immoral about abusing them just because they're incapable of contributing anything positive. If you have to cut them off then just cut them off, but don't ever abuse them. It's not like the abuse is punishment in hopes of rehabilitation... it's just eye for an eye bullshit. Or if you can't help it, and it's your own weakness that you can't help but get revenge on people who have wronged you, then at least admit it's a weakness and don't act like you're righteous. I agree, it'd be nice if people admited when they were wrong and what not and didn't create drama where there isn't drama to be had, false accusations are stupid, for example - especially when made publicly and not privately, I also think people who do that sort of thing should apologize, so that we can all get along. =/ Man now you're really testing my patience. This is exactly what I'm talking about with people acting with bad intentions while not crossing any lines. It is obvious that you haven't written that post in an attempt to improve the community or improve any particular situation or relationship or anything. You saw an opportunity to prod at me and you took it. That's it. You offer nothing new, just more of the "isn't it crazy what nony is saying now? what a crazy and absurd guy let's all laugh at his ridiculous ideas" without actually saying anything of substance. I think it's absurd that you guys don't know how to operate b.net's friends list and you think it's absurd that I think you and/or Destiny would mess with me like that. I don't even know why you'd want an apology from me since you seem to revel in the conflict. No ROOT fan ceased being a ROOT fan because of my accusation, instead I got added to a list of players they like to heckle, following your lead. If you really want to improve the situation, then just behave professionally. Your little stunt (and I do mean little -- I'm not making a big deal out of it) joining my game lobby vs vibe and writing a message is just the kind of thing that doesn't help anything at all. And now you poke your nose in here, not to contribute to the discussion about what's best for the community, but to poke at me when I just got finished saying how worthless and despicable such pokes are. Just drop it and behave professionally. I'm not the first one to be a dick, ever, NonY, that's my one policy - its you who went and made ridiculous accusations and I responded, sorry that's how I choose to deal with the situation, that's my first insitinct and that's what I'll continue to do, cause i'm not a hypocrite, you can write essays about how shady I am and say we're cheating, talk about conspiracy and expect me to sit quietly? Maybe it would be the professional thing to do, maybe i'm not professional, well shame on me. not go and post stupid shit elsewhere and then come back and make Gandhi-like posts about improving the community, im not about to list what I have or haven't done for this game, clearly, I dislike you and you dislike me, the "lets all get along and be nice to each other" message coming from you bothers me a lot, for obvious reasons, more-so when the TL thread's about RuFF getting kicked out for being a dick to one of my teammates and best friends. You make false accusations of hacking and streamcheating very frequently on the ladder. You have a big following on your stream so I would consider that pretty public. You cannot say that you are not a hypocrite when using your example. I've accussed you twice, wrongly, and both times and times I've played you after that and said I was wrong many times, either way, you have a weird playstyle and I did think you might hack, I've watched the replays and seen that you didn't and said so plenty. Either way, you have a point - no one's perfect, and I'd be lying if I said I am happy to admit when I am wrong, but at least I do it anyway.
spades is waiting for his apology too
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On June 16 2014 14:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 14:32 ninazerg wrote:On June 16 2014 14:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 14:24 ninazerg wrote:On June 16 2014 14:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 14:00 DinosaurJones wrote:
Someone in a position of prominence is more likely to be punished, because like it or not, they have to be held to a higher standard and walk on eggshells.
Well no they just need to not run around calling people niggers or doling out extremely personal insults. It's really not that hard, seriously So, N-word: not okay C-word: okay because it's normal in Australia C-word ok because it's not considered extremely racist across most of the planet too, that's a plus. I dunno, cuz I was listening to some rap music by Jay-Z and Kanye West and they both used the word like more than five times each, and people be like "Hov and Ye are the shit" You may have noticed the colour of their skin.... Whatever the case it's a pretty silly comparison. If todays incident proved anything, curse words are not required to make personally hurtful remarks.
(Let's not rehash..)
Surely you don't believe that the color of someone's skin gives them a right to say a word that other people aren't allowed to say. Let's be clear on that.
An argument can be made for "artistic liberties" or whatever rationalization there may be for using it in a rap song, however.
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Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2.
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On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2.
So Ruff needs to stop playing SC2?
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On June 16 2014 16:13 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. So Ruff needs to stop playing SC2?
If he can't control himself well enough to make unjustified personal attacks, then probably.
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On June 16 2014 15:58 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 15:21 ROOTCatZ wrote:On June 16 2014 15:19 FXOTheoRy wrote:On June 16 2014 14:47 ROOTCatZ wrote:On June 16 2014 13:59 NonY wrote:On June 16 2014 13:26 ROOTCatZ wrote:On June 16 2014 12:59 NonY wrote:On June 16 2014 12:30 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Also I don't understand how it's so wrong to troll them. If they're going to be dicks then they're going to get treated accordingly. Let's say there's a guy who losers his temper and says something inappropriate every 1 in 100 times he loses a game. He plays 30 games a day, loses 15 of them, so he says something bad about once a week. Now, depending on how people react and what kind of environment he's in, that rate can either go up or go down. There's no doubt in my mind that when people respond to venom with venom, that rate goes up. And it's not only that, but there are people who very clearly recognize a known rager and try to get them to rage just to laugh at their rage (and so their viewers can laugh too). In other words, there are people who purposely try to increase that rate. Let that influence happen over several years to an impressionable young kid, and you turn him into a guy who has a nasty comment at the end of nearly every loss. Personally I block almost every rager I encounter while streaming. SC2 practice is not the time to try to help a guy with a rage problem, but I do my best to not feed his rage. I play the best I can to win the game, which is the most respectful thing I can do, and I simply say gg and leave if I've lost. I think these simple policies would go a long way toward improving the community if everyone who was capable of doing them actually did them. I haven't been doing this for long, but I've done it pretty consistently for a little while now and I'm gonna keep doing it for as long as I can. There are some hopeless cases but there are also always some people who could either get worse or get better. It is absolutely ignorant to think you don't have some influence over the people you interact with and you ought to take responsibility for that influence. And with regard to the hopeless cases, I definitely think there's something immoral about abusing them just because they're incapable of contributing anything positive. If you have to cut them off then just cut them off, but don't ever abuse them. It's not like the abuse is punishment in hopes of rehabilitation... it's just eye for an eye bullshit. Or if you can't help it, and it's your own weakness that you can't help but get revenge on people who have wronged you, then at least admit it's a weakness and don't act like you're righteous. I agree, it'd be nice if people admited when they were wrong and what not and didn't create drama where there isn't drama to be had, false accusations are stupid, for example - especially when made publicly and not privately, I also think people who do that sort of thing should apologize, so that we can all get along. =/ Man now you're really testing my patience. This is exactly what I'm talking about with people acting with bad intentions while not crossing any lines. It is obvious that you haven't written that post in an attempt to improve the community or improve any particular situation or relationship or anything. You saw an opportunity to prod at me and you took it. That's it. You offer nothing new, just more of the "isn't it crazy what nony is saying now? what a crazy and absurd guy let's all laugh at his ridiculous ideas" without actually saying anything of substance. I think it's absurd that you guys don't know how to operate b.net's friends list and you think it's absurd that I think you and/or Destiny would mess with me like that. I don't even know why you'd want an apology from me since you seem to revel in the conflict. No ROOT fan ceased being a ROOT fan because of my accusation, instead I got added to a list of players they like to heckle, following your lead. If you really want to improve the situation, then just behave professionally. Your little stunt (and I do mean little -- I'm not making a big deal out of it) joining my game lobby vs vibe and writing a message is just the kind of thing that doesn't help anything at all. And now you poke your nose in here, not to contribute to the discussion about what's best for the community, but to poke at me when I just got finished saying how worthless and despicable such pokes are. Just drop it and behave professionally. I'm not the first one to be a dick, ever, NonY, that's my one policy - its you who went and made ridiculous accusations and I responded, sorry that's how I choose to deal with the situation, that's my first insitinct and that's what I'll continue to do, cause i'm not a hypocrite, you can write essays about how shady I am and say we're cheating, talk about conspiracy and expect me to sit quietly? Maybe it would be the professional thing to do, maybe i'm not professional, well shame on me. not go and post stupid shit elsewhere and then come back and make Gandhi-like posts about improving the community, im not about to list what I have or haven't done for this game, clearly, I dislike you and you dislike me, the "lets all get along and be nice to each other" message coming from you bothers me a lot, for obvious reasons, more-so when the TL thread's about RuFF getting kicked out for being a dick to one of my teammates and best friends. You make false accusations of hacking and streamcheating very frequently on the ladder. You have a big following on your stream so I would consider that pretty public. You cannot say that you are not a hypocrite when using your example. I've accussed you twice, wrongly, and both times and times I've played you after that and said I was wrong many times, either way, you have a weird playstyle and I did think you might hack, I've watched the replays and seen that you didn't and said so plenty. Either way, you have a point - no one's perfect, and I'd be lying if I said I am happy to admit when I am wrong, but at least I do it anyway. spades is waiting for his apology too
Wat. (I mean, he was proven without a shadow of a doubt by more then just catz, wasnt he. -_-)
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On June 16 2014 16:21 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 15:58 TT1 wrote:On June 16 2014 15:21 ROOTCatZ wrote:On June 16 2014 15:19 FXOTheoRy wrote:On June 16 2014 14:47 ROOTCatZ wrote:On June 16 2014 13:59 NonY wrote:On June 16 2014 13:26 ROOTCatZ wrote:On June 16 2014 12:59 NonY wrote:On June 16 2014 12:30 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Also I don't understand how it's so wrong to troll them. If they're going to be dicks then they're going to get treated accordingly. Let's say there's a guy who losers his temper and says something inappropriate every 1 in 100 times he loses a game. He plays 30 games a day, loses 15 of them, so he says something bad about once a week. Now, depending on how people react and what kind of environment he's in, that rate can either go up or go down. There's no doubt in my mind that when people respond to venom with venom, that rate goes up. And it's not only that, but there are people who very clearly recognize a known rager and try to get them to rage just to laugh at their rage (and so their viewers can laugh too). In other words, there are people who purposely try to increase that rate. Let that influence happen over several years to an impressionable young kid, and you turn him into a guy who has a nasty comment at the end of nearly every loss. Personally I block almost every rager I encounter while streaming. SC2 practice is not the time to try to help a guy with a rage problem, but I do my best to not feed his rage. I play the best I can to win the game, which is the most respectful thing I can do, and I simply say gg and leave if I've lost. I think these simple policies would go a long way toward improving the community if everyone who was capable of doing them actually did them. I haven't been doing this for long, but I've done it pretty consistently for a little while now and I'm gonna keep doing it for as long as I can. There are some hopeless cases but there are also always some people who could either get worse or get better. It is absolutely ignorant to think you don't have some influence over the people you interact with and you ought to take responsibility for that influence. And with regard to the hopeless cases, I definitely think there's something immoral about abusing them just because they're incapable of contributing anything positive. If you have to cut them off then just cut them off, but don't ever abuse them. It's not like the abuse is punishment in hopes of rehabilitation... it's just eye for an eye bullshit. Or if you can't help it, and it's your own weakness that you can't help but get revenge on people who have wronged you, then at least admit it's a weakness and don't act like you're righteous. I agree, it'd be nice if people admited when they were wrong and what not and didn't create drama where there isn't drama to be had, false accusations are stupid, for example - especially when made publicly and not privately, I also think people who do that sort of thing should apologize, so that we can all get along. =/ Man now you're really testing my patience. This is exactly what I'm talking about with people acting with bad intentions while not crossing any lines. It is obvious that you haven't written that post in an attempt to improve the community or improve any particular situation or relationship or anything. You saw an opportunity to prod at me and you took it. That's it. You offer nothing new, just more of the "isn't it crazy what nony is saying now? what a crazy and absurd guy let's all laugh at his ridiculous ideas" without actually saying anything of substance. I think it's absurd that you guys don't know how to operate b.net's friends list and you think it's absurd that I think you and/or Destiny would mess with me like that. I don't even know why you'd want an apology from me since you seem to revel in the conflict. No ROOT fan ceased being a ROOT fan because of my accusation, instead I got added to a list of players they like to heckle, following your lead. If you really want to improve the situation, then just behave professionally. Your little stunt (and I do mean little -- I'm not making a big deal out of it) joining my game lobby vs vibe and writing a message is just the kind of thing that doesn't help anything at all. And now you poke your nose in here, not to contribute to the discussion about what's best for the community, but to poke at me when I just got finished saying how worthless and despicable such pokes are. Just drop it and behave professionally. I'm not the first one to be a dick, ever, NonY, that's my one policy - its you who went and made ridiculous accusations and I responded, sorry that's how I choose to deal with the situation, that's my first insitinct and that's what I'll continue to do, cause i'm not a hypocrite, you can write essays about how shady I am and say we're cheating, talk about conspiracy and expect me to sit quietly? Maybe it would be the professional thing to do, maybe i'm not professional, well shame on me. not go and post stupid shit elsewhere and then come back and make Gandhi-like posts about improving the community, im not about to list what I have or haven't done for this game, clearly, I dislike you and you dislike me, the "lets all get along and be nice to each other" message coming from you bothers me a lot, for obvious reasons, more-so when the TL thread's about RuFF getting kicked out for being a dick to one of my teammates and best friends. You make false accusations of hacking and streamcheating very frequently on the ladder. You have a big following on your stream so I would consider that pretty public. You cannot say that you are not a hypocrite when using your example. I've accussed you twice, wrongly, and both times and times I've played you after that and said I was wrong many times, either way, you have a weird playstyle and I did think you might hack, I've watched the replays and seen that you didn't and said so plenty. Either way, you have a point - no one's perfect, and I'd be lying if I said I am happy to admit when I am wrong, but at least I do it anyway. spades is waiting for his apology too Wat. (I mean, he was proven without a shadow of a doubt by more then just catz, wasnt he. -_-)
edit: nvm, its more entertaining this way
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On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2.
Well to each their own as well, everyone has their own belief on what they would define as control/rage/honesty/insensitive/over the line, you could just read through this thread if you don't believe that. Now jumping to a conclusion like he shouldn't play sc2 is just silly, not all problems in life stem from sc2 or correlate directly with sc2. It's unfortunate that he did drop that comment, but for the sake of punishment and appearance IVD did about as good of a job handling this as they could.
Only thing I'm wondering is why you didn't bring this up with IVD, tournies/organizers/sponsors that revolve around RuFF internally? By posting to the public you know what drama it will create with the following you hold, life situation, and fans of ROOT Gaming.
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On June 16 2014 16:17 ROOTMinigun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 16:13 ninazerg wrote:On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. So Ruff needs to stop playing SC2? If he can't control himself well enough to make unjustified personal attacks, then probably.
What good is that going to do? He already apologized and lost his sponsorship, but that's not enough for you?
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On June 16 2014 16:37 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 16:17 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:13 ninazerg wrote:On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. So Ruff needs to stop playing SC2? If he can't control himself well enough to make unjustified personal attacks, then probably. What good is that going to do? He already apologized and lost his sponsorship, but that's not enough for you?
Wouldn't be sc2 community if you didn't kick someone when they're down and bring a few friends along to help.
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On June 16 2014 16:32 cheeseheadlogic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. Well to each their own as well, everyone has their own belief on what they would define as control/rage/honesty/insensitive/over the line, you could just read through this thread if you don't believe that. Now jumping to a conclusion like he shouldn't play sc2 is just silly, not all problems in life stem from sc2 or correlate directly with sc2. It's unfortunate that he did drop that comment, but for the sake of punishment and appearance IVD did about as good of a job handling this as they could. Only thing I'm wondering is why you didn't bring this up with IVD, tournies/organizers/sponsors that revolve around RuFF internally? By posting to the public you know what drama it will create with the following you hold, life situation, and fans of ROOT Gaming.
Well I'm pretty sure insulting someone with a chronic disease goes against everything his own team stood for. The owner himself has crohns disease. So in this case, the line is pretty clear.
I posted it to the public because I was hurt by the comment.
On June 16 2014 16:37 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 16:17 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:13 ninazerg wrote:On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. So Ruff needs to stop playing SC2? If he can't control himself well enough to make unjustified personal attacks, then probably. What good is that going to do? He already apologized and lost his sponsorship, but that's not enough for you?
Huh? Where did I say that wasn't good enough for me?
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Honestly if minigun really did poke around in the chat etc, I don't see why he should be free of any punishment and act he is all innocent or stand in.higher moral ground.
Case like this isn't about punishing the one who made a worse statement/mistake.
It's about punishing where punishment is due.
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On June 16 2014 16:46 ETisME wrote:
Honestly if minigun really did poke around in the chat etc, I don't see why he should be free of any punishment and act he is all innocent or stand in.higher moral ground.
Case like this isn't about punishing the one who made a worse statement/mistake.
It's about punishing where punishment is due.
It's been told multiple times I wasn't in his chat. I have done nothing that even close to justify's what he said.
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On June 16 2014 16:40 ROOTMinigun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 16:32 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. Well to each their own as well, everyone has their own belief on what they would define as control/rage/honesty/insensitive/over the line, you could just read through this thread if you don't believe that. Now jumping to a conclusion like he shouldn't play sc2 is just silly, not all problems in life stem from sc2 or correlate directly with sc2. It's unfortunate that he did drop that comment, but for the sake of punishment and appearance IVD did about as good of a job handling this as they could. Only thing I'm wondering is why you didn't bring this up with IVD, tournies/organizers/sponsors that revolve around RuFF internally? By posting to the public you know what drama it will create with the following you hold, life situation, and fans of ROOT Gaming. Well I'm pretty sure insulting someone with a chronic disease goes against everything his own team stood for. The owner himself has crohns disease. So in this case, the line is pretty clear. I posted it to the public because I was hurt by the comment.
I understand why it was offensive and the line he crossed, it's just not a battle that effects me personally in any way so I'm attempting to state it with some perspective.
Even if you were hurt by his comment. you talk about controlling self as well. By posting to the public, you brought drama/hate at a person who you claim "needs some help." All that hate isn't exactly going to help the guy either. All I'm saying is there are better ways to handle these scenarios being in the professional position you are. You can't just dish advice and not be able to eat it yourself.
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On June 16 2014 16:52 cheeseheadlogic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 16:40 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:32 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. Well to each their own as well, everyone has their own belief on what they would define as control/rage/honesty/insensitive/over the line, you could just read through this thread if you don't believe that. Now jumping to a conclusion like he shouldn't play sc2 is just silly, not all problems in life stem from sc2 or correlate directly with sc2. It's unfortunate that he did drop that comment, but for the sake of punishment and appearance IVD did about as good of a job handling this as they could. Only thing I'm wondering is why you didn't bring this up with IVD, tournies/organizers/sponsors that revolve around RuFF internally? By posting to the public you know what drama it will create with the following you hold, life situation, and fans of ROOT Gaming. Well I'm pretty sure insulting someone with a chronic disease goes against everything his own team stood for. The owner himself has crohns disease. So in this case, the line is pretty clear. I posted it to the public because I was hurt by the comment. I understand why it was offensive and the line he crossed, it's just not a battle that effects me personally in any way so I'm attempting to state it with some perspective. Even if you were hurt by his comment. you talk about controlling self as well. By posting to the public, you brought drama/hate at a person who you claim "needs some help." All that hate isn't exactly going to help the guy either. All I'm saying is there are better ways to handle these scenarios being in the professional position you are. You can't just dish advice and not be able to eat it yourself.
Who said I can't take advice as well? I should have controlled myself and went behind the scenes instead of posting it to the public. I haven't argued otherwise.
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On June 16 2014 16:52 cheeseheadlogic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 16:40 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:32 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. Well to each their own as well, everyone has their own belief on what they would define as control/rage/honesty/insensitive/over the line, you could just read through this thread if you don't believe that. Now jumping to a conclusion like he shouldn't play sc2 is just silly, not all problems in life stem from sc2 or correlate directly with sc2. It's unfortunate that he did drop that comment, but for the sake of punishment and appearance IVD did about as good of a job handling this as they could. Only thing I'm wondering is why you didn't bring this up with IVD, tournies/organizers/sponsors that revolve around RuFF internally? By posting to the public you know what drama it will create with the following you hold, life situation, and fans of ROOT Gaming. Well I'm pretty sure insulting someone with a chronic disease goes against everything his own team stood for. The owner himself has crohns disease. So in this case, the line is pretty clear. I posted it to the public because I was hurt by the comment. I understand why it was offensive and the line he crossed, it's just not a battle that effects me personally in any way so I'm attempting to state it with some perspective. Even if you were hurt by his comment. you talk about controlling self as well. By posting to the public, you brought drama/hate at a person who you claim "needs some help." All that hate isn't exactly going to help the guy either. All I'm saying is there are better ways to handle these scenarios being in the professional position you are. You can't just dish advice and not be able to eat it yourself.
What difference does it make? Both players were streaming AFAIK... it was already "in public".
Besides, it's not like minigun asked for him to be kicked out of his team, his tweet was basically "look, ruff is a dick".
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On June 16 2014 16:54 ROOTMinigun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 16:52 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:40 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:32 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. Well to each their own as well, everyone has their own belief on what they would define as control/rage/honesty/insensitive/over the line, you could just read through this thread if you don't believe that. Now jumping to a conclusion like he shouldn't play sc2 is just silly, not all problems in life stem from sc2 or correlate directly with sc2. It's unfortunate that he did drop that comment, but for the sake of punishment and appearance IVD did about as good of a job handling this as they could. Only thing I'm wondering is why you didn't bring this up with IVD, tournies/organizers/sponsors that revolve around RuFF internally? By posting to the public you know what drama it will create with the following you hold, life situation, and fans of ROOT Gaming. Well I'm pretty sure insulting someone with a chronic disease goes against everything his own team stood for. The owner himself has crohns disease. So in this case, the line is pretty clear. I posted it to the public because I was hurt by the comment. I understand why it was offensive and the line he crossed, it's just not a battle that effects me personally in any way so I'm attempting to state it with some perspective. Even if you were hurt by his comment. you talk about controlling self as well. By posting to the public, you brought drama/hate at a person who you claim "needs some help." All that hate isn't exactly going to help the guy either. All I'm saying is there are better ways to handle these scenarios being in the professional position you are. You can't just dish advice and not be able to eat it yourself. Who said I can't take advice as well? I should have controlled myself and went behind the scenes instead of posting it to the public. I haven't argued otherwise.
Then, why did you post in this thread talking about him and control, you already got your point across and punishment has been handed down. There's no need to continue throwing more kindling on a wildfire.........
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On June 16 2014 17:07 cheeseheadlogic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 16:54 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:52 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:40 ROOTMinigun wrote:On June 16 2014 16:32 cheeseheadlogic wrote:On June 16 2014 16:08 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Sc2 is a very stressful game, no one likes to lose. People rage, that's fine, but IMO there is a line you don't cross. Ruff crossed that line. If you can't control yourself well enough to not completely thrash on someone, then you probably need some help, and need to stop playing sc2. Well to each their own as well, everyone has their own belief on what they would define as control/rage/honesty/insensitive/over the line, you could just read through this thread if you don't believe that. Now jumping to a conclusion like he shouldn't play sc2 is just silly, not all problems in life stem from sc2 or correlate directly with sc2. It's unfortunate that he did drop that comment, but for the sake of punishment and appearance IVD did about as good of a job handling this as they could. Only thing I'm wondering is why you didn't bring this up with IVD, tournies/organizers/sponsors that revolve around RuFF internally? By posting to the public you know what drama it will create with the following you hold, life situation, and fans of ROOT Gaming. Well I'm pretty sure insulting someone with a chronic disease goes against everything his own team stood for. The owner himself has crohns disease. So in this case, the line is pretty clear. I posted it to the public because I was hurt by the comment. I understand why it was offensive and the line he crossed, it's just not a battle that effects me personally in any way so I'm attempting to state it with some perspective. Even if you were hurt by his comment. you talk about controlling self as well. By posting to the public, you brought drama/hate at a person who you claim "needs some help." All that hate isn't exactly going to help the guy either. All I'm saying is there are better ways to handle these scenarios being in the professional position you are. You can't just dish advice and not be able to eat it yourself. Who said I can't take advice as well? I should have controlled myself and went behind the scenes instead of posting it to the public. I haven't argued otherwise. Then, why did you post in this thread talking about him and control, you already got your point across and punishment has been handed down. There's no need to continue throwing more kindling on a wildfire.........
I can't have a single post in the thread explaining my end?
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