GOM eXP has announced that the GSL Global Tournament spots left vacant by MC and HyuN will be filled with the next highest placing players in WCS Europe and America.
WCS America semifinalists Alicia and Revival will play a ranking match for HyuN's spot. In WCS Europe, semifinalist San will claim MC's spot.
Originally, the GSL Global Tournament planned to invite the two finalists from GSL Code S, WCS America, and WCS Europe as seeded players. Thus, Zest, soO, MC, MMA, HyuN, and Oz all earned invitations. However, MC and HyuN declined their invitations to compete at DreamHack Bucharest instead (overlapping schedules). GOM eXP decided to fill their spots with the next highest placing players from their regions.
WCS Europe semifinalist jjakji will be competing at DreamHack as well, so MC's spot automatically passes down to the other semifinalist San. For WCS America, the two semifinalists Revival and Alicia will have a play-in match for the spot on April 18th.
The Global Tournament Roster has been determined as follows:
Wow they choose DH Bucharest instead of going back home to see their families :s I guess easier money as less Koreans but still! Such a shame, no idea to see how good MC and Hyun are now competing against the big boy Koreans >.<
This is a shame, but a completely understandable decision too. Changing flights on a week's notice is a bit of a mission and might have been hard to fit into their overall scheduling. Overlapping premier events will always have this problem.
On April 16 2014 19:46 Scarecrow wrote: Really takes some of the hype away. Looking like a very mediocre toss lineup outside of Zest (and Parting if he qualifies).
I was actually about to jump all over that comment before I realized that I had missed the word "toss" (eg: wtf! DRG, Maru, Flash, Fantasy etc not hype??) but you are definitely correct, a couple of top Protosses that could potentially win the whole thing are missing.
Well, 25k dollar prizepool at Bucharest surely looks more attractive than the 10k dollar prizepool at GSL, and the competition at Bucharest is not as fierce as it could have been with all the other recent champions attending GSL. Furthermore, DH is a higher tier tourney, and wins award more WCS points AND qualification for DH finals. I can understand MC and HyuNs decision.
On April 16 2014 20:06 nunun wrote: Well, 25k dollar prizepool at Bucharest surely looks more attractive than the 10k dollar prizepool at GSL, and the competition at Bucharest is not as fierce as it could have been with all the other recent champions attending GSL. Furthermore, DH is a higher tier tourney, and wins award more WCS points AND qualification for DH finals. I can understand MC and HyuNs decision.
On April 16 2014 19:21 sharkie wrote: wow DH is worth more than GSL Global? :o
Well, seeing how HyuN, MC, and jjakji all live in Europe and not Korea for the time being, I'd play in the tournament with less competition and without jetlag too if I were them.
Why would MC and Hyun not decline a smaller prize pool? Does anyone think that korea still has the best REGION for talent? With all the biggest names going to EU and NA what is left in korea sure is lack lustered! That is what happens when you HAD the best players but now only have what is left!
I think WCS points is more of a priority than cash here. Pretty ridiculous that finishing 16th in Dreamhack is roughly the same amount of WCS points as finishing 3rd in GSL Global Championship and finishing 8th at DH (25) is worth more than runner up at GSL (200).
Plus, with players like NightEnD, Kas and FireCake in one tournament and Maru, Zest and soO in the other, it's just a no-brainer for them.
Edit: That's not to say the foreign players I mentioned are trash, just that on paper they are outlcassed by the three exemplary Koreans.
On April 16 2014 19:54 Derez wrote: Going for the easier money is obviously the priority. Can't say I blame them as persons but as competitors its rather lame.
On April 16 2014 22:12 Dingodile wrote: DH: 25k prizepool, tier2 and 2day tournament. GSL: 10k, tier3 and 7day tournament.
Yeah but, the players in question are Korean, surely they would of prefered to go home to there families for a week instead of to Romania.....no offense to Romanian's but it isn't Korea for example. The 2 day tourney vs 7 day is pointless as most of the tournament is Online until the Round of 8 i guess i don't know but its 2days group (not for MC/Hyun)
On April 16 2014 20:40 Dodgin wrote: wow I didn't realize the gsl global tournament prize pool was so awful until now
It relied on the community for the prizepool, which in SC2 is generally a mistake. That said they went about promoting it in completely the wrong way.
It's hilarious really looking at the quality of the player pool, which will be far better than Dreamhacks.
esp a mistake since they asked for it after killing their old website and offering a markedly worse product
Yeah exactly right Waxangel - that was what shot it in the foot.
When they announced that the GOM subscription was going to be paying for the prize pool, I felt bad for them. Would have been margionally better if the twitch subscriptions counted towards it or something (obviously that wouldnt happen as twitch would take a lot of that sub money)
It was just a very poorly handled idea overall which could have become something really special.
They could have gone with something like "whatever our highest peak-viewership is, at any point during the whole year of GSL, is what we will set as the total prizepool distribution"
So then they may have got a 50k+ prize pool for one big tournament at the end of the year featuring a more 'proven' group of elite players. (not that the list isnt proven, but you'd have a more consistent lineup after multiple sets of WCS seasons)
I think the prize pool vs. competitiveness plays a part in the decision to go to DH over GSL but I wouldn't be suprised if its more related to being respectful to their progamer friends back at home. They don't want to go back and beat their friends and take that money when there's other money out there. They understand the difficulties and joys of living in a progamer house. They also have more opportunities to make money after making the decision to travel abroad - its just being greedy.
On April 16 2014 19:54 Derez wrote: Going for the easier money is obviously the priority. Can't say I blame them as persons but as competitors its rather lame.
This, but such a shame
They are already not playing WCS Korea. Why would they play some ragtag all Korean midseason tournament that is even less prestigeous but similarily difficult to win when it's colliding with another event.
On April 16 2014 20:40 Dodgin wrote: wow I didn't realize the gsl global tournament prize pool was so awful until now
It relied on the community for the prizepool, which in SC2 is generally a mistake. That said they went about promoting it in completely the wrong way.
It's hilarious really looking at the quality of the player pool, which will be far better than Dreamhacks.
esp a mistake since they asked for it after killing their old website and offering a markedly worse product
Yup. I cancelled my GOM sub after that. I was paying to avoid Twitch and have decent VoDs, neither of which GOMexp facilitates.
I guess there's quite a few people like this, I'm the same. Just so many things wrong that I'm not willing to give a second chance, even though I've been subbing for years now with GOM.
On April 16 2014 21:10 Mifoi123 wrote: Why would MC and Hyun not decline a smaller prize pool? Does anyone think that korea still has the best REGION for talent? With all the biggest names going to EU and NA what is left in korea sure is lack lustered! That is what happens when you HAD the best players but now only have what is left!
o.O The player pool for this is ridiculously stacked. "lack luster" is a horrible way to describe it. Anyways go Revival I guess?
On April 16 2014 20:40 Dodgin wrote: wow I didn't realize the gsl global tournament prize pool was so awful until now
It relied on the community for the prizepool, which in SC2 is generally a mistake. That said they went about promoting it in completely the wrong way.
It's hilarious really looking at the quality of the player pool, which will be far better than Dreamhacks.
esp a mistake since they asked for it after killing their old website and offering a markedly worse product
Yup. I cancelled my GOM sub after that. I was paying to avoid Twitch and have decent VoDs, neither of which GOMexp facilitates.
I guess there's quite a few people like this, I'm the same. Just so many things wrong that I'm not willing to give a second chance, even though I've been subbing for years now with GOM.
If they continue to use Twitch then it's simply not fixable, Twitchs vods are terrible both in terms of performance and organization.
On April 16 2014 20:40 Dodgin wrote: wow I didn't realize the gsl global tournament prize pool was so awful until now
It relied on the community for the prizepool, which in SC2 is generally a mistake. That said they went about promoting it in completely the wrong way.
It's hilarious really looking at the quality of the player pool, which will be far better than Dreamhacks.
esp a mistake since they asked for it after killing their old website and offering a markedly worse product
Yup. I cancelled my GOM sub after that. I was paying to avoid Twitch and have decent VoDs, neither of which GOMexp facilitates.
I guess there's quite a few people like this, I'm the same. Just so many things wrong that I'm not willing to give a second chance, even though I've been subbing for years now with GOM.
If they continue to use Twitch then it's simply not fixable, Twitchs vods are terrible both in terms of performance and organization.
On April 16 2014 23:52 IntoTheheart wrote: As a fan which do you guys think has more glory associated with the win? A Dreamhack or this?
Seems like more and more players are leaning towards money over pride. To those that would respond "but they need money to live!", MC makes enough.. I'm sure Hyun is making enough, also considering he just won 25k or something last week. Many many players would love to play in this GSL thing, and here we have players like "Welp, better go beat some foreigners and get top 8 minimum. Thanks for being bad guys, I love money!"
On April 16 2014 21:10 Mifoi123 wrote: Why would MC and Hyun not decline a smaller prize pool? Does anyone think that korea still has the best REGION for talent? With all the biggest names going to EU and NA what is left in korea sure is lack lustered! That is what happens when you HAD the best players but now only have what is left!
Not sure if serious? Korea still has the best talent. MC/Hyun are going to DH because it has a larger prize pool AND easier competition. There's really only a handful of "big name" koreans spread throughout eu/na.
On April 16 2014 23:52 IntoTheheart wrote: As a fan which do you guys think has more glory associated with the win? A Dreamhack or this?
Seems like more and more players are leaning towards money over pride. To those that would respond "but they need money to live!", MC makes enough.. I'm sure Hyun is making enough, also considering he just won 25k or something last week. Many many players would love to play in this GSL thing, and here we have players like "Welp, better go beat some foreigners and get top 8 minimum. Thanks for being bad guys, I love money!"
People like you piss me off, who are you to judge why a progamer is doing something with the intent of money vs pride. They could have reservations booked in advance their could be a host of other things that we dont know about. But instead you choose to badmouth two great players who work hard. Also if people want to play in gsl, they should just qualify. Instead of bitching about peoples choices who qualified but choose not to go.
Yeah, when you try to mimic other community driven tournament prize pools, the service or product that the fans buy has to be both reasonably priced and worthwhile.
GOMeXp is neither, unfortunately. Cut the price in half and more people would buy, but the SC2 Community is stingy and afraid of being burned on a lackluster product.
Anyways, sad that the lineup for the tourney is inconsistent and the players who qualified have no desire in going, really ruins the whole thing.
On April 17 2014 03:20 vult wrote: Yeah, when you try to mimic other community driven tournament prize pools, the service or product that the fans buy has to be both reasonably priced and worthwhile.
GOMeXp is neither, unfortunately. Cut the price in half and more people would buy, but the SC2 Community is stingy and afraid of being burned on a lackluster product.
Anyways, sad that the lineup for the tourney is inconsistent and the players who qualified have no desire in going, really ruins the whole thing.
But goooo Revival!
it's funny because there are so many players in code A who would kill for those spots too ;o
On April 16 2014 20:40 Dodgin wrote: wow I didn't realize the gsl global tournament prize pool was so awful until now
It relied on the community for the prizepool, which in SC2 is generally a mistake. That said they went about promoting it in completely the wrong way.
It's hilarious really looking at the quality of the player pool, which will be far better than Dreamhacks.
esp a mistake since they asked for it after killing their old website and offering a markedly worse product
Yup. I cancelled my GOM sub after that. I was paying to avoid Twitch and have decent VoDs, neither of which GOMexp facilitates.
I guess there's quite a few people like this, I'm the same. Just so many things wrong that I'm not willing to give a second chance, even though I've been subbing for years now with GOM.
If they continue to use Twitch then it's simply not fixable, Twitchs vods are terrible both in terms of performance and organization.
I wish GOMeXP would ditch trying to include WCS EU/NA people and just make a tournament from the players left in Korea. We'd have stronger representation. Do some sort of fun hybrid like top 4 GSL finishes, top 4 SPL players, and then some open bracket spots.
As it is though, there might be a step down in name brand recognition from MC and HyuN to San and Alicia/Revival but frankly I don't think the skill level is that different. Heck overall I think San is a stronger player than MC these days.
On April 16 2014 20:40 Dodgin wrote: wow I didn't realize the gsl global tournament prize pool was so awful until now
It relied on the community for the prizepool, which in SC2 is generally a mistake. That said they went about promoting it in completely the wrong way.
It's hilarious really looking at the quality of the player pool, which will be far better than Dreamhacks.
esp a mistake since they asked for it after killing their old website and offering a markedly worse product
Yup. I cancelled my GOM sub after that. I was paying to avoid Twitch and have decent VoDs, neither of which GOMexp facilitates.
I guess there's quite a few people like this, I'm the same. Just so many things wrong that I'm not willing to give a second chance, even though I've been subbing for years now with GOM.
If they continue to use Twitch then it's simply not fixable, Twitchs vods are terrible both in terms of performance and organization.
I wish GOMeXP would ditch trying to include WCS EU/NA people and just make a tournament from the players left in Korea. We'd have stronger representation. Do some sort of fun hybrid like top 4 GSL finishes, top 4 SPL players, and then some open bracket spots.
As it is though, there might be a step down in name brand recognition from MC and HyuN to San and Alicia/Revival but frankly I don't think the skill level is that different. Heck overall I think San is a stronger player than MC these days.
WCS EU showed us that MC is probably still better than San.
On April 16 2014 20:40 Dodgin wrote: wow I didn't realize the gsl global tournament prize pool was so awful until now
It relied on the community for the prizepool, which in SC2 is generally a mistake. That said they went about promoting it in completely the wrong way.
It's hilarious really looking at the quality of the player pool, which will be far better than Dreamhacks.
esp a mistake since they asked for it after killing their old website and offering a markedly worse product
Yup. I cancelled my GOM sub after that. I was paying to avoid Twitch and have decent VoDs, neither of which GOMexp facilitates.
I guess there's quite a few people like this, I'm the same. Just so many things wrong that I'm not willing to give a second chance, even though I've been subbing for years now with GOM.
If they continue to use Twitch then it's simply not fixable, Twitchs vods are terrible both in terms of performance and organization.
I wish GOMeXP would ditch trying to include WCS EU/NA people and just make a tournament from the players left in Korea. We'd have stronger representation. Do some sort of fun hybrid like top 4 GSL finishes, top 4 SPL players, and then some open bracket spots.
As it is though, there might be a step down in name brand recognition from MC and HyuN to San and Alicia/Revival but frankly I don't think the skill level is that different. Heck overall I think San is a stronger player than MC these days.
WCS EU showed us that MC is probably still better than San.
...I really don't think it's as simple as "MMA beat San in one Bo5 and MC beat MMA in one Bo7 so MC is obviously better than San."
* Aligulac currently ranks San #2 in the world. MC is ranked #12 in the world.
* In head-to-head in HotS, San leads 6-3.
* San's all-time win % is 65%, MC's is 61%. But more importantly, in the games that are most relevant to figuring out how good they are now (only HotS games, only against other Koreans, and only offline), San has a 60% win percentage and MC has a 44% win percentage.
I would argue by objective measures San is almost clearly better than MC right now. San just hasn't been eating foreigners for breakfast for as many years as MC has so he doesn't have the cash and fame yet.
Pragmatic decision by MC and HyuN cause of the higher prize money, slightly weaker competition and actually them being closer to Bucharest because they both reside in the GEM house in Germany.
On April 17 2014 04:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Pragmatic decision by MC and HyuN cause of the higher prize money, slightly weaker competition and actually them being closer to Bucharest because they both reside in the GEM house in Germany.
yeah only "slightly weaker" But it's an understandable decision for sure, a little bit lame nonetheless
On April 16 2014 20:40 Dodgin wrote: wow I didn't realize the gsl global tournament prize pool was so awful until now
It relied on the community for the prizepool, which in SC2 is generally a mistake. That said they went about promoting it in completely the wrong way.
It's hilarious really looking at the quality of the player pool, which will be far better than Dreamhacks.
esp a mistake since they asked for it after killing their old website and offering a markedly worse product
Yup. I cancelled my GOM sub after that. I was paying to avoid Twitch and have decent VoDs, neither of which GOMexp facilitates.
I guess there's quite a few people like this, I'm the same. Just so many things wrong that I'm not willing to give a second chance, even though I've been subbing for years now with GOM.
If they continue to use Twitch then it's simply not fixable, Twitchs vods are terrible both in terms of performance and organization.
I wish GOMeXP would ditch trying to include WCS EU/NA people and just make a tournament from the players left in Korea. We'd have stronger representation. Do some sort of fun hybrid like top 4 GSL finishes, top 4 SPL players, and then some open bracket spots.
As it is though, there might be a step down in name brand recognition from MC and HyuN to San and Alicia/Revival but frankly I don't think the skill level is that different. Heck overall I think San is a stronger player than MC these days.
WCS EU showed us that MC is probably still better than San.
...I really don't think it's as simple as "MMA beat San in one Bo5 and MC beat MMA in one Bo7 so MC is obviously better than San."
* Aligulac currently ranks San #2 in the world. MC is ranked #12 in the world.
* In head-to-head in HotS, San leads 6-3.
* San's all-time win % is 65%, MC's is 61%. But more importantly, in the games that are most relevant to figuring out how good they are now (only HotS games, only against other Koreans, and only offline), San has a 60% win percentage and MC has a 44% win percentage.
I would argue by objective measures San is almost clearly better than MC right now. San just hasn't been eating foreigners for breakfast for as many years as MC has so he doesn't have the cash and fame yet.
Especially since MC plays a risky aggressive style of Protoss. At SeatStory Cup he didn't even make it out of his group, losing to Bunny and Harstem.
I just wish they had made something real global insted of inviting 6Koreans and holding a Korean qualifier for the other 10spots. Really not ad attractive as Korea vs The World or just watching a foreigner underdog battling his way into a semifinals of some international tournament.
On April 17 2014 06:48 Big J wrote: I just wish they had made something real global insted of inviting 6Koreans and holding a Korean qualifier for the other 10spots. Really not ad attractive as Korea vs The World or just watching a foreigner underdog battling his way into a semifinals of some international tournament.
the qualifier wasn't just for koreans, it was open to foreigners too
On April 17 2014 06:48 Big J wrote: I just wish they had made something real global insted of inviting 6Koreans and holding a Korean qualifier for the other 10spots. Really not ad attractive as Korea vs The World or just watching a foreigner underdog battling his way into a semifinals of some international tournament.
the qualifier wasn't just for koreans, it was open to foreigners too
that is technically true, but they did play it on the Korean server on times convenient for Koreans. not saying foreigners would've necessarily made it through that field otherwise, but the conditions did not exactly help them.
On April 17 2014 06:48 Big J wrote: I just wish they had made something real global insted of inviting 6Koreans and holding a Korean qualifier for the other 10spots. Really not ad attractive as Korea vs The World or just watching a foreigner underdog battling his way into a semifinals of some international tournament.
the qualifier wasn't just for koreans, it was open to foreigners too
that is technically true, but they did play it on the Korean server on times convenient for Koreans. not saying foreigners would've necessarily made it through that field otherwise, but the conditions did not exactly help them.
Poor foreigners I mean cmon if they don't even try they don't deserve any better...
I would have loved to see a variant on Arena of Legends Team Ace Invitational (each team in Korea sends a player chosen by the team), except do it offline (previous AoLs were all online), except also let top foreign teams nominate players (who'd also have to travel to Korea). I feel like between the Korean teams, the top EU teams (Liquid, mYi, Yoe, Acer, Axiom, etc) and EG we'd have a pretty sick lineup.
On April 17 2014 06:48 Big J wrote: I just wish they had made something real global insted of inviting 6Koreans and holding a Korean qualifier for the other 10spots. Really not ad attractive as Korea vs The World or just watching a foreigner underdog battling his way into a semifinals of some international tournament.
the qualifier wasn't just for koreans, it was open to foreigners too
Didnt say differently. My point is: this is a one week/weekend all Korean tournament. Less attractive and prestigeous than GSL/Proleague. And not global at all.
On April 17 2014 06:48 Big J wrote: I just wish they had made something real global insted of inviting 6Koreans and holding a Korean qualifier for the other 10spots. Really not ad attractive as Korea vs The World or just watching a foreigner underdog battling his way into a semifinals of some international tournament.
the qualifier wasn't just for koreans, it was open to foreigners too
that is technically true, but they did play it on the Korean server on times convenient for Koreans. not saying foreigners would've necessarily made it through that field otherwise, but the conditions did not exactly help them.
Poor foreigners I mean cmon if they don't even try they don't deserve any better...
Why would they try? There is a better tournament to go to at the same time. No use playing qualifiers for a tournament you wont ve able to attend anyways.
On April 17 2014 06:48 Big J wrote: I just wish they had made something real global insted of inviting 6Koreans and holding a Korean qualifier for the other 10spots. Really not ad attractive as Korea vs The World or just watching a foreigner underdog battling his way into a semifinals of some international tournament.
the qualifier wasn't just for koreans, it was open to foreigners too
that is technically true, but they did play it on the Korean server on times convenient for Koreans. not saying foreigners would've necessarily made it through that field otherwise, but the conditions did not exactly help them.
Poor foreigners I mean cmon if they don't even try they don't deserve any better...
Why would they try? There is a better tournament to go to at the same time. No use playing qualifiers for a tournament you wont ve able to attend anyways.
Well that is a fair point, all i am saying is that "bad timeslots" and "on kr server" are rather bad arguments if koreans do this all the time.Obviously your point is plausible.
On April 17 2014 10:21 usethis2 wrote: Sorry for being stupid but what tournament is this? Is it some special occasion thing or does it regularly come to pass?
It's a special event Gom is doing between seasons 1 and 2. As far as I know it won't be a regular thing
On April 17 2014 06:48 Big J wrote: I just wish they had made something real global insted of inviting 6Koreans and holding a Korean qualifier for the other 10spots. Really not ad attractive as Korea vs The World or just watching a foreigner underdog battling his way into a semifinals of some international tournament.
the qualifier wasn't just for koreans, it was open to foreigners too
that is technically true, but they did play it on the Korean server on times convenient for Koreans. not saying foreigners would've necessarily made it through that field otherwise, but the conditions did not exactly help them.
Poor foreigners I mean cmon if they don't even try they don't deserve any better...
Why would they try? There is a better tournament to go to at the same time. No use playing qualifiers for a tournament you wont ve able to attend anyways.
Well that is a fair point, all i am saying is that "bad timeslots" and "on kr server" are rather bad arguments if koreans do this all the time.Obviously your point is plausible.
Plus this isn't really meant to bring foreigners to Korea, despite the name. It's only called Global because they want players from all three WCS regions. This is mainly to have Koreans compete in a GOM tournament who left to play abroad or those who are not playing in GSL despite being in Korea.
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