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WCS EU - Ro16 Group C Preview (Season 1)

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WCS EU - Ro16 Group C Preview (Season 1)

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
March 27th, 2014 09:39 GMT
2013 GSL Season 2

WCS Europe 2014
Premier League



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Ro16: Group C Preview

(P)Welmu, (P)BabyKnight, (Z)TLO, (P)StarDust:

by Waxangel

Two Terrans and two Zergs have earned spots in the quarterfinals so far. Now, it's time to see how many Protoss players can force themselves into the title picture.

With three Protoss players competing in Group C, we're guaranteed at least one Protoss quarterfinalist. Whether or not that number will increase to two depends on the lone Zerg of the group in (Z)Liquid`TLO. The German Zerg player has been a part of the recent European revival movement, doing his part by eliminating Bomber from IEM Sao Paulo and defeating jjakji in the 3rd place match of SeatStory Cup. It's clear that TLO's ZvT is at a very high level, and all the Terran players left in WCS Europe have reason to fear him. However, it's his ZvP that will have to carry him through this Ro16 group.

TLO's ZvP seems quite strong when he's allowed to play longer, macro games. It's also the match up where we see TLO use his creative (there are few surer ways to annoy TLO than to blindly call anything he does "creative") strategies the most, and he's sure to have at least one or two prepared for this all Protoss group. However, I'm not quite sure about how well TLO will be able to hold off Protoss all-ins. While he's not terribly weak against them, his defenses don't seem particularly airtight either. All three of the Protoss players possess excellent micro and can execute all-ins extremely well. That's not good for TLO.

(P)mYI.StarDust, another creative player, will be TLO's initial opponent. StarDust first came to prominence in Europe by using an upgrade-heavy, gateway united oriented PvZ that no one had seen before to win DreamHack Summer. Since then, he's continued to enjoy trying all sorts of all-ins and off-kilter strategies that might catch his opponents off guard. You only need to look at the last few PvZ strats he used at the Vasacast tournamentto get a feel for what he's going to do against TLO: 2base voidrays, 7gate +1 all-in, immortal all-in, immortal all-in, immortal all-in.

Against his fellow Protoss players, StarDust might feel confident as he has a PvP win-rate close to 70% in recent months. However, PvP form has always been capricious thing. Even if a player figures PvP out and wins at a significantly higher rate than his peers for a period, it usually doesn't take long for adapting players and changing trends to bring him back down to earth. StarDust's 1-2 loss to BlinG in the Ro32 might have triggered a fall back into the realm of coin flips.

(P)Mill.BabyKnight could hope that PvP luck, condition, momentum, or dare we say it – skill – is on his side. After becoming somewhat forgotten in a packed field of European players, he's come back to our attention in 2014 through a few PvP series. He tried to rally foreign hope at ASUS ROG Winter with a 3-0 win over Alicia (as a testament to the match-up, he would lose 0-3 in the rematch), while his 2-1 win over French Protoss Lilbow granted him a return to the WCS Europe Ro16 (a win vs ForGG didn't hurt either). A lack of recent tournament matches leaves BabyKnight more shrouded than the other players headed into the group, which may work to his advantage.

On the other hand, his initial opponent (P)NrS.Welmu comes in with a headline grabbing performance. Representing team NewRoSoft in the Acer TeamStory Cup qualifiers, Welmu scored a massive all-kill against the Korean free agent coalition known as the "Bounty Hunters." By defeating HyuN, YoDa, First, and MC (twice) in a single day, Welmu made European fans start to wonder if the string of Europe > Korea upsets in the months prior wasn't just a fluke, but the start of a larger movement.

Given his momentum, Welmu seems like the perfect European to join VortiX and Snute in topping his WCS Ro16 group, but he'll need to get past notorious volatility of the PvP match-up. His recent record doesn't really reassure you: Three wins against MC and First are preceded by losses to KnowMe, Socke, and Russian Protoss AvaTaR. Strange as it seems, European fans might actually have preferred Welmu to play some Koreans instead, as long as they were Terran or Zerg.

Overall Predictions:

Welmu > BabyKnight
TLO > StarDust
Welmu > TLO
StarDust > BabyKnight
TLO > StarDust

Welmu and TLO advance.

Writers: Waxangel.
Graphics: ESL.
Front page photos: ESL.
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y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
March 27 2014 09:52 GMT
#2
WELMU!!!

I guess I'm taking my tablet to class tonight...

Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
March 27 2014 09:56 GMT
#3
StarDust,TLO! <3
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1198 Posts
March 27 2014 09:59 GMT
#4
Go Welmu!
starcraft2.fi
Vesimias
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland135 Posts
March 27 2014 10:02 GMT
#5
Welmu fighting! This group will be very even, excited to watch tonight!
Fan of: HerO, Maru, elfi, Welmu, Liquid HerO 4ever<3
hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
March 27 2014 10:04 GMT
#6
Poll: Fan favorite?

Welmu (74)
 
43%

Stardust & TLO <3 (53)
 
30%

POLT! AMERICA! (33)
 
19%

Babyknight (14)
 
8%

174 total votes

Your vote: Fan favorite?

(Vote): Stardust & TLO <3
(Vote): POLT! AMERICA!
(Vote): Welmu
(Vote): Babyknight


People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
Kosak
Profile Joined August 2013
Czech Republic193 Posts
March 27 2014 10:06 GMT
#7
unfortunately for TL fans, I have to say that Welmu and Stardust have the biggest chance of advancing trough this, I don't believe that TLO can pull an upset against Protoss as much as he probably could do against Terran
it's good to be the king
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-27 10:16:41
March 27 2014 10:15 GMT
#8
Yeah it is nuts,,,,NUTS i say to vote against cheese dust!!
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
March 27 2014 10:22 GMT
#9
Hoping for Welmu and TLO, but no idea what order. Cant decide which second place would be better for VortiX
jacky9185
Profile Joined June 2012
Taiwan27 Posts
March 27 2014 10:23 GMT
#10
Welmu Fight
Taiwanese StarCraft 2 fan.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
March 27 2014 10:30 GMT
#11
Ya Welmu advances in 1st and stardust eliminated....as if....
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
March 27 2014 10:41 GMT
#12
I disagree. Welmu vs Protoss has always been his strong point. Watching his stream regularly and his PvT is not that good (even though he beat MMA) Welmu vs Stardust is way higher chance of welmu advancing than Welmu vs korean terran. His PvZ is also really strong at least in mid game.

I agree with predictions tho

Welmu fighting!!!!
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9224 Posts
March 27 2014 11:18 GMT
#13
GOGO WELMU
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Rhaeide
Profile Joined November 2008
Spain304 Posts
March 27 2014 11:49 GMT
#14
I think both Welmu & TLO can do it.
♪ www.youtube.com/Rhaeide ♫ LucifroN/VortiX/herO/Scarlett/Flash/EffOrt/BoxeR/Kingdom/Nal_rA
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
March 27 2014 12:04 GMT
#15
Welmu and TLO for sure.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
March 27 2014 12:07 GMT
#16
Welmu will be first, StarDust second. TLO third and Baby fourth.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
March 27 2014 12:15 GMT
#17
TLO and Stardust, though Welmu is looking great I gotta go with my heart on this one.
xxxKagexxx
Profile Joined August 2012
France43 Posts
March 27 2014 12:44 GMT
#18
TLo isn't toss he shouldn't pass today i'm off the stream guy to much "pro-toss" héhé
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18776 Posts
March 27 2014 13:06 GMT
#19
Why did TL jinx our foreigners
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
March 27 2014 13:12 GMT
#20
This is so funny.

Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
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