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On March 15 2014 01:52 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 01:51 Daralii wrote:On March 15 2014 01:49 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 01:46 arctics86 wrote:On March 15 2014 01:41 las91 wrote:On March 15 2014 01:39 SixStrings wrote:On March 15 2014 01:27 Teoita wrote:
Pretty asshole move of him to forfeit like this and not give his spot to Hasu tbh How does make him an asshole? I agree that he went out in a shitty way, but if I were in his stead, I certainly wouldn't give up on my salary for attendance out of charity. He probably made more money this weekend than Hasu makes in a year. And let's not delude ourselves thinking for a second that Hasuobs would have had any higher chance of taking a map from Polt than an apathetic Naniwa who forfeits after game one. Hasu has always been his little buddy anyway. Naniwa makes the decisions in that twosome. Hasuobs is older than Naniwa + there is no twosome, what are you talking about? Naniwa got what he asked for, I won't miss him playing SC I guess beating MVP and Nestea while getting ro8 in GSL is just something anyone can do I guess? The player that did that checked out months ago. The person on that stage was a child undeserving of respect. Exactly what I was saying in my post on the other page. The Naniwa as of late, 2014 have been utterly miserable and I wont let that overshadow what he have done before that.
He was always acting like an immature kid. But at least he had the skills behind the drama during his prime. Now he is all drama, no skill. And if people forget all the good things he did in SC2, he only has himself to blame for that.
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On March 16 2014 15:17 Qwyn wrote:
You know, I'm getting tired of all this eSports crap. Maybe it's time for people to be reminded of the game. The GAME for fuck's sake, and not this whole eSports debacle that's been strapped on, dragging it into the ground.
The foundation is the game. Sometimes I wish this would all burn away. You build on top of a solid foundation. You go back to your roots. You feel it out, invest your passion into something you decide is worthy of your time. And if that passion dies? Well I'd rather be Naniwa and leave without caring what "eSports" thinks, then sit and suffer (a la IdrA).
For god's sake, people have forgotten the game. Or maybe they haven't forgotten it - they're mired in all the eSports bullshit that's been layered on top - suffocating the foundation until we can't even breathe.
I said before that Naniwa acted on what he felt was right - that it was time to leave, - that he couldn't be bothered to play anymore because it just wasn't fucking worth it. At least he had the balls to leave on an impulse.
This isn't a professional sport. It's a goddamned game. And a competition should be a spectacle that gamers take part in together out of passion built upon a solid foundation. Only here, now, - the foundation ISN'T the game...it's become eSports this, eSports that. All for eSports! I never thought I'd understand this point of view.
Stop trying to "professionalize" something that is, at its core, not professional. And if people are going to try to make a living playing games...don't act on a foundation of professionalism. Act on the proper foundation. The GAME.
You know, there's something really beautiful about Brood War at this moment. Something that I think this community has lost. And that's a proper foundation.
well everything you said apply to EVERY OTHER SPORT , soccer , its just a GAME at its core and the poor kid in "insert 3rd world country" plays it for pure fun as most of the pro`s starts , but it has another side -> competitive which has all the drama , transfers , expectations ! and stories , we are watching the competitive side of the game and expect a certain amount of professionalism , if you stick only to the "GAME" side , watch streams or whatever , but dont come here and tell us that competitive is bullshit and we should all accept paid workers to do as they see fit , grow up , naniwa is in it for the money he DOES SEE IT as esports this and that and that was drove him forward the need to be #1 in the COMPETITIVE world and not your fantasy -> lets just play it for fun , and waste our lives doing so. (if you actually want them to practice for 10 hours a day , and demonstrate the best possible games).
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He did some stupid stuff but Nanibaba will always be in my heart<3
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On March 16 2014 07:33 pms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 20:28 Iduakil wrote:
Tat ta!!! NANIWA!!! We wont miss you - you pice of lazy, childish, unprofessional douchebag!!! This community is a community of douchebags. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised, given that Stephano dares judging on his Twitter another player as "pure evil" and asks his fans for hatred toward that player. I've never heard such a thing in my life from a respected "celebrity". Asking publicly for hatred toward another person?! This is how you want your community leaders to speak? I'm not surprised that people here are full of hatred after hearing and propagating comments such as Stephano's comment. Unfortunately, such people make this community disgraceful. This community is in fact disgusting because of how aggressive it became. I start to wonder why do I even follow it.
Community isnt full of douchebags.
Its full of teenagers and young adults whose brain doesnt grow at the same pace as their body.
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Great player. Massively misunderstood personality by most.
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On March 16 2014 16:07 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 15:18 cythaze wrote:
I don't get how people still can feel sympathy towards naniwa after this...
I was there in the crowd to see some of his swedish fans that traveled to see him (some believed that he could pull an upset and win, otherswanted to just see him play one last time) leave the venue in disbelief.
he also looked so tilted even before the game started, just no passion and if he wanted to lose anyway.
he should have canceled the participation in advance imo
Maybe because Naniwa has legit autism related mental condition, and most people just enjoy hating on someone just for fun, like getting on the internet bashing bandwagon, or for example hating on someone like IdrA just because other people are doing it. People forget Naniwa is the best and most consistent non Korean player to win and get far in stacked events for a very long time. Most people hating on him think Esports is some drama and the players are animals that are there to entertain them. If you were a true fan of someone, you would be more concerned with his mental state and his health. This is a video game, not professional baseball or anything.
Wait... You mean he's really autistic ? I thought it was a bad joke about him from haters.
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I'm not supprised at all, nani said earlier he's not even playing the game anymore, sitting on the hotel playing LoL says it all. He should have given his spot to anyone IF possible, i dont think its possible tho, since they have to earn their spot, it's so disrespectful to fans and to other players and to the whole esport community, he will certainly be remembered as an idiot, and god knows he deserves it. I was a huge fan of nani before but i can't take this, he made a lot o stupid things before but this takes it to a new lvl of stupidity. If he only could have been a little professional and practice for this last tournament of his, and then quit, then i would have no problems with it.
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I love Naniwa 100x more now. This was brilliant.
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On March 16 2014 11:42 boxerfred wrote:I just watched the video seeing Naniwa leave. I don't feel as pissed as I did before, I just feel sad for this kind of end to a career. He had the potential, seriously, and decisions like going for an in-base proxy vs. Hyun in that IEM NY Game 5 really made him look ballsy. Going out this way just sucks for everyone that's involved, be it Naniwa, ESL, we as watchers, or even Polt as the opponent. Naniwa took the worst road he could possibly take, although it was not against any rules or so. Just sad  . Sponsors will be pissed (oh well, dunno, "any publicity is good publicity" for some guys), his fans are disappointed, watchers are pissed/sad/disappointed.. worst way to end his career. And I guess he does. Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 11:40 for_the_swarm wrote:On March 16 2014 09:54 pms wrote:On March 16 2014 09:34 TUski wrote:On March 16 2014 09:26 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 09:18 ThePlagueJG wrote:On March 16 2014 08:51 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 08:11 pms wrote:On March 16 2014 07:37 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 07:33 pms wrote:
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This community is a community of douchebags.
Unfortunately, I'm not surprised, given that Stephano dares judging on his Twitter another player as "pure evil" and asks his fans for hatred toward that player. I've never heard such a thing in my life from a respected "celebrity". Asking publicly for hatred toward another person?! This is how you want your community leaders to speak? I'm not surprised that people here are full of hatred after hearing and propagating comments such as Stephano's comment. Unfortunately, such people make this community disgraceful.
This community is in fact disgusting because of how aggressive it became. I start to wonder why do I even follow it. Haha Stephano's thing was a joke he is a huge troll. And with the things Naniwa has said about fellow players I don't see why you are complaining. But by all means continue to point out the flaws in other players and ignore Naniwa's. This sounds like a joke to you? I hope people finally understand why Naniwa is pure evil and just a massive shit and will share my hatred for him from now on. Right, just a joke, and everybody of 300 people who re-tweeted it know it. Address the rest of my post please. Like how Naniwa said he hopes Vortix's family gets cancer or some shit. Really puts calling someone "pure evil" into perspective. I'm not saying you are wrong(You're probably right) and I'm not exactly defending NaNiwa here either, but is it proven that NaNiwa said that? It could be NaNiwa being an asshole or VortiX making something up(No I dont really believe this), but I really don't like something which is word against word. EDIT: A better example of NaNiwa being ''pure evil'' is (While provoked) the text to Nerchio before the Tefel game etc. I don't actually have proof firsthand of it I just remember Vortix or someone mentioning it at some point. There was a screenshot of it at some point a long time back. I'm sure a quick google search would net you some results. There is no problem when a player forfeits his game according to the rules of the tournament. [...] If people pay money to watch professional athletes, they can reasonably expect to see their best effort. [...] Except you're not paying money. Only the live audience did, and they still get the things they paid for. They won't miss the final or anything. Also, I guess the rules are available somewhere, somehow, so technically, the paying guy could've (should've?) known the "risks" he's taking. You're going way too much into theorycrafting I think.
Not even live audience paid anything. The tickets were free.
Not to mention, that this "implicit rule" is questionable, while the rule of having the possibility of forfeiting is a real written rule.
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On March 16 2014 15:18 cythaze wrote:
I don't get how people still can feel sympathy towards naniwa after this...
I was there in the crowd to see some of his swedish fans that traveled to see him (some believed that he could pull an upset and win, otherswanted to just see him play one last time) leave the venue in disbelief.
he also looked so tilted even before the game started, just no passion and if he wanted to lose anyway.
he should have canceled the participation in advance imo
He shouldn't do anything. Although, he actually warned his fans that he is going to get trashed.
People have a toxic attitude toward him, either expect stuff from him, or hate him, because last year he was the best foreigner and because of his controversial behavior. They should just accept the way he is and either watch him or not.
Stop the hatred, it leads to nowhere.
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On March 16 2014 20:17 ninazerg wrote:
I love Naniwa 100x more now. This was brilliant.
He has balls.
+ Show Spoiler +Nani-balls doesn't sound right, too close to nano-balls 
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On March 16 2014 19:19 Dracolich70 wrote:
Great player. Massively misunderstood personality by most.
That's exactly what I think too.
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On March 16 2014 17:29 Gullis wrote:
He did some stupid stuff but Nanibaba will always be in my heart<3
Only coz you are swede lol 
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On March 16 2014 20:19 pms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 11:42 boxerfred wrote:I just watched the video seeing Naniwa leave. I don't feel as pissed as I did before, I just feel sad for this kind of end to a career. He had the potential, seriously, and decisions like going for an in-base proxy vs. Hyun in that IEM NY Game 5 really made him look ballsy. Going out this way just sucks for everyone that's involved, be it Naniwa, ESL, we as watchers, or even Polt as the opponent. Naniwa took the worst road he could possibly take, although it was not against any rules or so. Just sad . Sponsors will be pissed (oh well, dunno, "any publicity is good publicity" for some guys), his fans are disappointed, watchers are pissed/sad/disappointed.. worst way to end his career. And I guess he does. On March 16 2014 11:40 for_the_swarm wrote:On March 16 2014 09:54 pms wrote:On March 16 2014 09:34 TUski wrote:On March 16 2014 09:26 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 09:18 ThePlagueJG wrote:On March 16 2014 08:51 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 08:11 pms wrote:On March 16 2014 07:37 Darkhorse wrote:
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Haha Stephano's thing was a joke he is a huge troll. And with the things Naniwa has said about fellow players I don't see why you are complaining. But by all means continue to point out the flaws in other players and ignore Naniwa's. This sounds like a joke to you? I hope people finally understand why Naniwa is pure evil and just a massive shit and will share my hatred for him from now on. Right, just a joke, and everybody of 300 people who re-tweeted it know it. Address the rest of my post please. Like how Naniwa said he hopes Vortix's family gets cancer or some shit. Really puts calling someone "pure evil" into perspective. I'm not saying you are wrong(You're probably right) and I'm not exactly defending NaNiwa here either, but is it proven that NaNiwa said that? It could be NaNiwa being an asshole or VortiX making something up(No I dont really believe this), but I really don't like something which is word against word. EDIT: A better example of NaNiwa being ''pure evil'' is (While provoked) the text to Nerchio before the Tefel game etc. I don't actually have proof firsthand of it I just remember Vortix or someone mentioning it at some point. There was a screenshot of it at some point a long time back. I'm sure a quick google search would net you some results. There is no problem when a player forfeits his game according to the rules of the tournament. [...] If people pay money to watch professional athletes, they can reasonably expect to see their best effort. [...] Except you're not paying money. Only the live audience did, and they still get the things they paid for. They won't miss the final or anything. Also, I guess the rules are available somewhere, somehow, so technically, the paying guy could've (should've?) known the "risks" he's taking. You're going way too much into theorycrafting I think. Not even live audience paid anything. The tickets were free.Not to mention, that this "implicit rule" is questionable, while the rule of having the possibility of forfeiting is a real written rule.
Travelling, opportunity cost?
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Talented but unprofessional. Bye Naniwa.
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On March 16 2014 11:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 09:26 blinken wrote:
IEM is the only entity in this entire debacle that has any legitimate claim to be upset. I could care less that someone missed a couple games because Naniwa walked out. And no one in their right mind would cancel anything worthwhile to see one series of Naniwa, especially when he claimed he hadn't touched the game in over a month.
Other people who have a legitimate claim to be upset His team HIs teams sponsors Every spectator who paid money to attend that event Every other team and their sponsors (because shit like this makes us all look bad and hinders the growth of this sport)
Man, I'm loosing my respect to you. I thought you're a bit more cool-headed.
Get real. There is nothing better for Starcraft than a foreigner winning against Koreans. Naniwa still has fans and people would still enjoy him winning against Koreans. I still prefer watching Naniwa than anybody else.
You and Stephano you're just making propaganda come true in Starcraft. I still have more respect for Naniwa than to Stephano, who is just openly propagating hatred toward Naniwa. How is such hatred even acceptable for this community?
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On March 15 2014 01:31 Rollora wrote:no he is not. Idra wouldn't have GG'd and left without further comment, leaving everybody puzzled
IdrA would have played the set however.
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On March 16 2014 23:07 pms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 11:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 16 2014 09:26 blinken wrote:
IEM is the only entity in this entire debacle that has any legitimate claim to be upset. I could care less that someone missed a couple games because Naniwa walked out. And no one in their right mind would cancel anything worthwhile to see one series of Naniwa, especially when he claimed he hadn't touched the game in over a month.
Other people who have a legitimate claim to be upset His team HIs teams sponsors Every spectator who paid money to attend that event Every other team and their sponsors (because shit like this makes us all look bad and hinders the growth of this sport) Man, I'm loosing my respect to you. I thought you're a bit more cool-headed. Get real. There is nothing better for Starcraft than a foreigner winning against Koreans. Naniwa still has fans and people would still enjoy him winning against Koreans. I still prefer watching Naniwa than anybody else. You and Stephano you're just making propaganda come true in Starcraft. I still have more respect for Naniwa than to Stephano, who is just openly propagating hatred toward Naniwa. How is such hatred even acceptable for this community?
Your name seems oddly appropriate.
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Lol IdrA would have never done that shit on a huge stage in front of a lot of ppl.. never in a million years. Naniwa is like next level IdrA lol. Like ascended sayian version.. Worst idra would have done is not gg that game, then 6 pool every game after that, saying GG at the end of everyone of them and acting like nothing is going on  .
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I can't remember a time where this happened in a tournament of this level.
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EPT
