On March 17 2014 20:38 Sakray wrote: What people seem to forget is that as a competitor he has the right to forfeit at any given moment for any reason. You can't blame him for that.
But nope, witchunt too stronk
People don´t blame for the forfeit itself. They blame him for fortifying while he could have given that place to someone more worthy with more passion to play in that tournament. They blame him for forfeiting like a child that throws temper tantrums. And the thing that he gets mad about is something he abused in the past. Ironically it wasn´t a problem back then. They blame him for avoiding a battle and deliver a good fight against all odds to leave something remarkable something that´s worthy to remember.
Good riddance! we wont miss such a disgrace! just wish I could be at the arena so I could boo and throw rotten tomatos and eggs at him on his way out. I hope he never returns
The good thing is that with this move he burned so many bridges that it will be hard for him to find a decent sponsorship/ team if he should feel the desire to go back to sc2.
On March 17 2014 20:38 Sakray wrote: What people seem to forget is that as a competitor he has the right to forfeit at any given moment for any reason. You can't blame him for that.
But nope, witchunt too stronk
People don´t blame for the forfeit itself. They blame him for fortifying while he could have given that place to someone more worthy with more passion to play in that tournament. They blame him for forfeiting like a child that throws temper tantrums. And the thing that he gets mad about is something he abused in the past. Ironically it wasn´t a problem back then. They blame him for avoiding a battle and deliver a good fight against all odds to leave something remarkable something that´s worthy to remember.
Huh, what you mean abused in the past? Once you hear the crowd, you know you've made a mistake. There's nothing you can do to avoid it. It's not intentional. How can you NOT use that information? At that point the crowd becomes part of the game.
If Nani didn't know about the soundproofing, how could he give his spot away in advance?
I think his forfeit is bullshit, but your argument is holed.
What a delicious scandal for someone who quit sc2 a while back- this thread has made for pretty interesting reading.
As ever, I will never understand the inevitable free-rights activists who go on condoning everything done by stupid/douchey progamers. Is there a sort of fetish for this kind of thing in particular?
I will remember Nani for his double ro8 appearance in the GSL. Scrolling down the respective liquepedia pages and seeing a swedish flag amongst the korean ones was refreshing. Too bad, if he doesn't care about how the community views him, then we will view him as a shitty BM-ing kid, which is really not far from the truth.
Naniwa protectors: You want freedom of speech, everyone-is-entitled-to-their-opinion, fine. Now please accept my opinion that Naniwa is simply a whiny kid, toxic for the scene, good riddance.
I don't understand how anyone can defend his behavior at all.
It was selfish and incredibly disrespectful to everyone involved.
Be it the opponent, the team, the sponsors, the viewers, the tournament organizer etc
He has no one else to blame at for people hating on him. Especially when the finals were played with non stop maingames and everyone was watching sc2 only.
On March 17 2014 20:38 Sakray wrote: What people seem to forget is that as a competitor he has the right to forfeit at any given moment for any reason. You can't blame him for that.
But nope, witchunt too stronk
People don´t blame for the forfeit itself. They blame him for fortifying while he could have given that place to someone more worthy with more passion to play in that tournament. They blame him for forfeiting like a child that throws temper tantrums. And the thing that he gets mad about is something he abused in the past. Ironically it wasn´t a problem back then. They blame him for avoiding a battle and deliver a good fight against all odds to leave something remarkable something that´s worthy to remember.
Huh, what you mean abused in the past? Once you hear the crowd, you know you've made a mistake. There's nothing you can do to avoid it. It's not intentional. How can you NOT use that information? At that point the crowd becomes part of the game.
If Nani didn't know about the soundproofing, how could he give his spot away in advance?
I think his forfeit is bullshit, but your argument is holed.
The argument is, he´s fine with himself using "the sound" but when others use it he calls bullshit. Where´s there a hole? o_O
On March 17 2014 20:38 Sakray wrote: What people seem to forget is that as a competitor he has the right to forfeit at any given moment for any reason. You can't blame him for that.
But nope, witchunt too stronk
People don´t blame for the forfeit itself. They blame him for fortifying while he could have given that place to someone more worthy with more passion to play in that tournament. They blame him for forfeiting like a child that throws temper tantrums. And the thing that he gets mad about is something he abused in the past. Ironically it wasn´t a problem back then. They blame him for avoiding a battle and deliver a good fight against all odds to leave something remarkable something that´s worthy to remember.
Huh, what you mean abused in the past? Once you hear the crowd, you know you've made a mistake. There's nothing you can do to avoid it. It's not intentional. How can you NOT use that information? At that point the crowd becomes part of the game.
If Nani didn't know about the soundproofing, how could he give his spot away in advance?
I think his forfeit is bullshit, but your argument is holed.
The argument is, he´s fine with himself using "the sound" but when others use it he calls bullshit. Where´s there a hole? o_O
edit: while polt doesn´t even used "the sound"
Nani never said he was ok with using sound from the audience. You're assuming that. He only said there was an issue with sound proofing, as pointed out by other players.
So, once again, he never "used it." It happened and he benefited from it. There's a difference.
Never liked Naniwa at all. Especially after he did something similar at GSL when he removed his hands from keyboard + mouse. Glad to hear he is finally leaving the scene. I never thought he was as good as people claim he is either, guess it was more of a foreign hope thing. In all honesty just in case he wants to comeback later down the road, I would ban his punk ass from attending IEM again.
On March 17 2014 20:38 Sakray wrote: What people seem to forget is that as a competitor he has the right to forfeit at any given moment for any reason. You can't blame him for that.
But nope, witchunt too stronk
People don´t blame for the forfeit itself. They blame him for fortifying while he could have given that place to someone more worthy with more passion to play in that tournament. They blame him for forfeiting like a child that throws temper tantrums. And the thing that he gets mad about is something he abused in the past. Ironically it wasn´t a problem back then. They blame him for avoiding a battle and deliver a good fight against all odds to leave something remarkable something that´s worthy to remember.
Huh, what you mean abused in the past? Once you hear the crowd, you know you've made a mistake. There's nothing you can do to avoid it. It's not intentional. How can you NOT use that information? At that point the crowd becomes part of the game.
If Nani didn't know about the soundproofing, how could he give his spot away in advance?
I think his forfeit is bullshit, but your argument is holed.
The argument is, he´s fine with himself using "the sound" but when others use it he calls bullshit. Where´s there a hole? o_O
edit: while polt doesn´t even used "the sound"
Nani never said he was ok with using sound from the audience. You're assuming that. He only said there was an issue with sound proofing, as pointed out by other players.
So, once again, he never "used it." It happened and he benefited from it. There's a difference.
Oh i don´t even need to "assume" that. He didn´t even had a problem to do that versus flash
On March 17 2014 20:38 Sakray wrote: What people seem to forget is that as a competitor he has the right to forfeit at any given moment for any reason. You can't blame him for that.
But nope, witchunt too stronk
People don´t blame for the forfeit itself. They blame him for fortifying while he could have given that place to someone more worthy with more passion to play in that tournament. They blame him for forfeiting like a child that throws temper tantrums. And the thing that he gets mad about is something he abused in the past. Ironically it wasn´t a problem back then. They blame him for avoiding a battle and deliver a good fight against all odds to leave something remarkable something that´s worthy to remember.
Huh, what you mean abused in the past? Once you hear the crowd, you know you've made a mistake. There's nothing you can do to avoid it. It's not intentional. How can you NOT use that information? At that point the crowd becomes part of the game.
If Nani didn't know about the soundproofing, how could he give his spot away in advance?
I think his forfeit is bullshit, but your argument is holed.
The argument is, he´s fine with himself using "the sound" but when others use it he calls bullshit. Where´s there a hole? o_O
edit: while polt doesn´t even used "the sound"
Nani never said he was ok with using sound from the audience. You're assuming that. He only said there was an issue with sound proofing, as pointed out by other players.
So, once again, he never "used it." It happened and he benefited from it. There's a difference.
Oh i don´t even need to "assume" that. He didn´t even had a problem to do that versus flash
Just because he used sound from the audience doesn't mean he INTENDED too or that he is OK with doing so. No fair player wants to use sound, but anyone will use it. Your opponent has the same luxuries. It's a fair playing field.
On March 17 2014 20:38 Sakray wrote: What people seem to forget is that as a competitor he has the right to forfeit at any given moment for any reason. You can't blame him for that.
But nope, witchunt too stronk
People don´t blame for the forfeit itself. They blame him for fortifying while he could have given that place to someone more worthy with more passion to play in that tournament. They blame him for forfeiting like a child that throws temper tantrums. And the thing that he gets mad about is something he abused in the past. Ironically it wasn´t a problem back then. They blame him for avoiding a battle and deliver a good fight against all odds to leave something remarkable something that´s worthy to remember.
Huh, what you mean abused in the past? Once you hear the crowd, you know you've made a mistake. There's nothing you can do to avoid it. It's not intentional. How can you NOT use that information? At that point the crowd becomes part of the game.
If Nani didn't know about the soundproofing, how could he give his spot away in advance?
I think his forfeit is bullshit, but your argument is holed.
The argument is, he´s fine with himself using "the sound" but when others use it he calls bullshit. Where´s there a hole? o_O
edit: while polt doesn´t even used "the sound"
Nani never said he was ok with using sound from the audience. You're assuming that. He only said there was an issue with sound proofing, as pointed out by other players.
So, once again, he never "used it." It happened and he benefited from it. There's a difference.
Oh i don´t even need to "assume" that. He didn´t even had a problem to do that versus flash
Just because he used sound from the audience doesn't mean he INTENDED too or that he is OK with doing so. No fair player wants to use sound, but anyone will use it. Your opponent has the same luxuries. It's a fair playing field.
Again, even if this becomes dull and i feel punked... nani uses it = no problem, he assumed(!) polt use it = throw tantrum.. Don´t know what´s there not to understand. If you want to fight some werd semantic battle that doesn´t have any value i´m out lol
On March 17 2014 20:38 Sakray wrote: What people seem to forget is that as a competitor he has the right to forfeit at any given moment for any reason. You can't blame him for that.
But nope, witchunt too stronk
People don´t blame for the forfeit itself. They blame him for fortifying while he could have given that place to someone more worthy with more passion to play in that tournament. They blame him for forfeiting like a child that throws temper tantrums. And the thing that he gets mad about is something he abused in the past. Ironically it wasn´t a problem back then. They blame him for avoiding a battle and deliver a good fight against all odds to leave something remarkable something that´s worthy to remember.
Huh, what you mean abused in the past? Once you hear the crowd, you know you've made a mistake. There's nothing you can do to avoid it. It's not intentional. How can you NOT use that information? At that point the crowd becomes part of the game.
If Nani didn't know about the soundproofing, how could he give his spot away in advance?
I think his forfeit is bullshit, but your argument is holed.
The argument is, he´s fine with himself using "the sound" but when others use it he calls bullshit. Where´s there a hole? o_O
edit: while polt doesn´t even used "the sound"
Nani never said he was ok with using sound from the audience. You're assuming that. He only said there was an issue with sound proofing, as pointed out by other players.
So, once again, he never "used it." It happened and he benefited from it. There's a difference.
Oh i don´t even need to "assume" that. He didn´t even had a problem to do that versus flash
Just because he used sound from the audience doesn't mean he INTENDED too or that he is OK with doing so. No fair player wants to use sound, but anyone will use it. Your opponent has the same luxuries. It's a fair playing field.
On March 17 2014 20:38 Sakray wrote: What people seem to forget is that as a competitor he has the right to forfeit at any given moment for any reason. You can't blame him for that.
But nope, witchunt too stronk
People don´t blame for the forfeit itself. They blame him for fortifying while he could have given that place to someone more worthy with more passion to play in that tournament. They blame him for forfeiting like a child that throws temper tantrums. And the thing that he gets mad about is something he abused in the past. Ironically it wasn´t a problem back then. They blame him for avoiding a battle and deliver a good fight against all odds to leave something remarkable something that´s worthy to remember.
Huh, what you mean abused in the past? Once you hear the crowd, you know you've made a mistake. There's nothing you can do to avoid it. It's not intentional. How can you NOT use that information? At that point the crowd becomes part of the game.
If Nani didn't know about the soundproofing, how could he give his spot away in advance?
I think his forfeit is bullshit, but your argument is holed.
The argument is, he´s fine with himself using "the sound" but when others use it he calls bullshit. Where´s there a hole? o_O
edit: while polt doesn´t even used "the sound"
Nani never said he was ok with using sound from the audience. You're assuming that. He only said there was an issue with sound proofing, as pointed out by other players.
So, once again, he never "used it." It happened and he benefited from it. There's a difference.
Oh i don´t even need to "assume" that. He didn´t even had a problem to do that versus flash
Just because he used sound from the audience doesn't mean he INTENDED too or that he is OK with doing so. No fair player wants to use sound, but anyone will use it. Your opponent has the same luxuries. It's a fair playing field.
Again, even if this becomes dull and i feel punked... nani uses it = no problem, he assumed(!) polt use it = throw tantrum.. Don´t know what´s there not to understand. If you want to fight some werd semantic battle that doesn´t have any value i´m out lol
The second part of your argument is a false assumption. "polt use it = throw tantrum.. "
Show me where Nani says he forfeited because Polt used it. He complained about sound proofing, not about Polt.
Abusing the sound and not mentioning a word, but having a disadvantage in another game where ur opponent uses it and then complaining about it... this is just stupid and proves the lack of sportsmanship. I have to agree with Nachtwind here. What u say makes no sense to me, TRaFFIC.
On March 17 2014 23:55 Phaenoman wrote: Abusing the sound and not mentioning a word, but having a disadvantage in another game where ur opponent uses it and then complaining about it... this is just stupid and proves the lack of sportsmanship. I have to agree with Nachtwind here. What u say makes no sense to me, TRaFFIC.
So, according to you, every single time there are "bad" playing conditions the player needs to complain and/or forfeit. Otherwise, they will never be able to complain again?
Nani was playing LOL the night before. He wanted to cheese his way through the tournament. Hard to do without soundproofing.
On March 17 2014 20:38 Sakray wrote: What people seem to forget is that as a competitor he has the right to forfeit at any given moment for any reason. You can't blame him for that.
But nope, witchunt too stronk
People don´t blame for the forfeit itself. They blame him for fortifying while he could have given that place to someone more worthy with more passion to play in that tournament. They blame him for forfeiting like a child that throws temper tantrums. And the thing that he gets mad about is something he abused in the past. Ironically it wasn´t a problem back then. They blame him for avoiding a battle and deliver a good fight against all odds to leave something remarkable something that´s worthy to remember.
Huh, what you mean abused in the past? Once you hear the crowd, you know you've made a mistake. There's nothing you can do to avoid it. It's not intentional. How can you NOT use that information? At that point the crowd becomes part of the game.
If Nani didn't know about the soundproofing, how could he give his spot away in advance?
I think his forfeit is bullshit, but your argument is holed.
The argument is, he´s fine with himself using "the sound" but when others use it he calls bullshit. Where´s there a hole? o_O
edit: while polt doesn´t even used "the sound"
Nani never said he was ok with using sound from the audience. You're assuming that. He only said there was an issue with sound proofing, as pointed out by other players.
So, once again, he never "used it." It happened and he benefited from it. There's a difference.
Oh i don´t even need to "assume" that. He didn´t even had a problem to do that versus flash
Just because he used sound from the audience doesn't mean he INTENDED too or that he is OK with doing so. No fair player wants to use sound, but anyone will use it. Your opponent has the same luxuries. It's a fair playing field.
Again, even if this becomes dull and i feel punked... nani uses it = no problem, he assumed(!) polt use it = throw tantrum.. Don´t know what´s there not to understand. If you want to fight some werd semantic battle that doesn´t have any value i´m out lol
The second part of your argument is a false assumption. "polt use it = throw tantrum.. "
Show me where Nani says he forfeited because Polt used it. He complained about sound proofing, not about Polt.
Because he thought the proxy gate was scouted only due the audience? O_o
edit: At least that´s what i think triggered his sentence "xD so fun to play without soundproofing". And i doubt you´re able to convince me that this sentence wasn´t due to this.
On March 17 2014 20:38 Sakray wrote: What people seem to forget is that as a competitor he has the right to forfeit at any given moment for any reason. You can't blame him for that.
But nope, witchunt too stronk
People don´t blame for the forfeit itself. They blame him for fortifying while he could have given that place to someone more worthy with more passion to play in that tournament. They blame him for forfeiting like a child that throws temper tantrums. And the thing that he gets mad about is something he abused in the past. Ironically it wasn´t a problem back then. They blame him for avoiding a battle and deliver a good fight against all odds to leave something remarkable something that´s worthy to remember.
Huh, what you mean abused in the past? Once you hear the crowd, you know you've made a mistake. There's nothing you can do to avoid it. It's not intentional. How can you NOT use that information? At that point the crowd becomes part of the game.
If Nani didn't know about the soundproofing, how could he give his spot away in advance?
I think his forfeit is bullshit, but your argument is holed.
The argument is, he´s fine with himself using "the sound" but when others use it he calls bullshit. Where´s there a hole? o_O
edit: while polt doesn´t even used "the sound"
Nani never said he was ok with using sound from the audience. You're assuming that. He only said there was an issue with sound proofing, as pointed out by other players.
So, once again, he never "used it." It happened and he benefited from it. There's a difference.
Oh i don´t even need to "assume" that. He didn´t even had a problem to do that versus flash
Just because he used sound from the audience doesn't mean he INTENDED too or that he is OK with doing so. No fair player wants to use sound, but anyone will use it. Your opponent has the same luxuries. It's a fair playing field.
Again, even if this becomes dull and i feel punked... nani uses it = no problem, he assumed(!) polt use it = throw tantrum.. Don´t know what´s there not to understand. If you want to fight some werd semantic battle that doesn´t have any value i´m out lol
The second part of your argument is a false assumption. "polt use it = throw tantrum.. "
Show me where Nani says he forfeited because Polt used it. He complained about sound proofing, not about Polt.
Because he thought the proxy gate was scouted only due the audience? O_o
You make one assumption after another. While maybe...maybe that's true, he never said that. He heard the audience's reaction and that prompted his statement.
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