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Well , Blizzard and ESL are sending a wrong message to one the most active SC2 scene in Europe . the French cast is a must and they should find a compromise asap to further develop the game in France . There is always a solution this is just matter of being reasonable . As well a temporary agreement should be find in a short term
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On February 18 2014 19:39 klup wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 19:30 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On February 15 2014 04:54 SC2Kerri wrote:
Today, ESL Decision was given to us: Access to the WCS is forbidden to French organizations.
Thats just a flat out lie. Plz post the statement from Carmac in OP, i cant believe this topic is still alive. Its easy, stream on twitch or go home. Its not that hard to understand. How many times do we have to explain that in France if you stream on twitch only you are dead. No money + no viewers. Ogamingtv managed to negociate with NASL a solution with double stream Twitch.tv+ Dailymotion , why ESL don't want that too is the real question here and has not been answered by Carmac. If Twitch is so great let us choose between both Twitch and Dailymotion what they are afraid of? Ah yes their really poor quality of service! I love how people trust so much in Carmac statement, He is an employee of one of the company that is in the issue so he is as biased as Kerri is. Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 19:37 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 19:32 inermis wrote:
Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it. There were some issues 1 or 2 years back, but it's been a while Twitch didn't fuck up massively. I can watch streams on Source settings without a problem in 2 differents countries with 3 differents ISP. The only region where Twitch seems to have problems is France, so it's to french's ISP to stop breaking the net neutrality to promote their shitty DM platform. 1) not only France has issue with twitch 2) This is not a problem of ISP, and they actually don't care about this issue at all. It's a problem between ESL and Ogamingtv/MilleniumTv/aAa
Tell me who complained about twitch recently if not french ?
And again, it's been like the 100 times it's been said, it's not ESL's fault, it's DM for not making an agreement with Blizzard. ESL apply the rules.
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Ah yes their really poor quality of service!
Actually I'm afraid it's more of a problem with ISPs, because using Free I used to be unable to watch streams even on low with 10mb/s dl, and then got to use a VPN and I could watch whatever I wanted just fine. I don't know who is responsible for the problems, but to me it seems more of an ISP thing (just as with youtube).
For my opinion about all of this, I think it kind of sucks to create that much drama, I mean if twitch is partnered with blizzard business is business, and it's the same thing if ESL is taking a share of revenues because they're partnered. And if twitch isn't even responsible for the stream problems, they have no reason to allow a broadcast on dailymotion.
I like english casters a lot more anyway (to be honest I hate french casters, but that's personal preference and I don't want to be negative towards them). See the good part, you can work on your english 
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Sorry but if statements made are honest following situation exists:
Twitch is official and only partner of Blizzard and the only platform WCS can be streamed on. French people would like to stream on Dailymotion etc, which isn't possible. If they have a deal with that platform that prevents them from using twitch, its tough luck.
ESL is not to blame here. Blizzard made a deal and in my opinion making a deal with the biggest platform for streaming out there is only reasonable. So either use twitch to stream WCS or don't stream it at all. To me it sounds like the French community is asking ESL to do what they are not able to do: break contracts with their partners.
So... why send the pitchfork mob at ESL?
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On February 18 2014 19:45 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 19:39 klup wrote:On February 18 2014 19:30 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On February 15 2014 04:54 SC2Kerri wrote:
Today, ESL Decision was given to us: Access to the WCS is forbidden to French organizations.
Thats just a flat out lie. Plz post the statement from Carmac in OP, i cant believe this topic is still alive. Its easy, stream on twitch or go home. Its not that hard to understand. How many times do we have to explain that in France if you stream on twitch only you are dead. No money + no viewers. Ogamingtv managed to negociate with NASL a solution with double stream Twitch.tv+ Dailymotion , why ESL don't want that too is the real question here and has not been answered by Carmac. If Twitch is so great let us choose between both Twitch and Dailymotion what they are afraid of? Ah yes their really poor quality of service! I love how people trust so much in Carmac statement, He is an employee of one of the company that is in the issue so he is as biased as Kerri is. On February 18 2014 19:37 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 19:32 inermis wrote:
Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it. There were some issues 1 or 2 years back, but it's been a while Twitch didn't fuck up massively. I can watch streams on Source settings without a problem in 2 differents countries with 3 differents ISP. The only region where Twitch seems to have problems is France, so it's to french's ISP to stop breaking the net neutrality to promote their shitty DM platform. 1) not only France has issue with twitch 2) This is not a problem of ISP, and they actually don't care about this issue at all. It's a problem between ESL and Ogamingtv/MilleniumTv/aAa Tell me who complained about twitch recently if not french ? And again, it's been like the 100 times it's been said, it's not ESL's fault, it's DM for not making an agreement with Blizzard. ESL apply the rules.
There is no rule on Sub-stream! Twitch is imposed for main english stream but not for other streams. Others streams can run
let me quote you main page of blizzard:
Timing and Broadcasts
We expect seasons to last around 10 weeks, with an emphasis on broadcasting Premier League play in each region. Challenger and Qualifier play may be broadcasted via community channels or directly by the partner, at the discretion of NASL and ESL
full text : http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/about
So as you can see there is a possibility of choice between the Partner (Twitch) or via community channel. And what you can see is that the decision is ESL to make not twitch nor blizzard.
Why not allow a dual stream Twitch/Dailymotion? seems to me that it is the simple solution here
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On February 18 2014 19:57 klup wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 19:45 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 19:39 klup wrote:On February 18 2014 19:30 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On February 15 2014 04:54 SC2Kerri wrote:
Today, ESL Decision was given to us: Access to the WCS is forbidden to French organizations.
Thats just a flat out lie. Plz post the statement from Carmac in OP, i cant believe this topic is still alive. Its easy, stream on twitch or go home. Its not that hard to understand. How many times do we have to explain that in France if you stream on twitch only you are dead. No money + no viewers. Ogamingtv managed to negociate with NASL a solution with double stream Twitch.tv+ Dailymotion , why ESL don't want that too is the real question here and has not been answered by Carmac. If Twitch is so great let us choose between both Twitch and Dailymotion what they are afraid of? Ah yes their really poor quality of service! I love how people trust so much in Carmac statement, He is an employee of one of the company that is in the issue so he is as biased as Kerri is. On February 18 2014 19:37 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 19:32 inermis wrote:
Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it. There were some issues 1 or 2 years back, but it's been a while Twitch didn't fuck up massively. I can watch streams on Source settings without a problem in 2 differents countries with 3 differents ISP. The only region where Twitch seems to have problems is France, so it's to french's ISP to stop breaking the net neutrality to promote their shitty DM platform. 1) not only France has issue with twitch 2) This is not a problem of ISP, and they actually don't care about this issue at all. It's a problem between ESL and Ogamingtv/MilleniumTv/aAa Tell me who complained about twitch recently if not french ? And again, it's been like the 100 times it's been said, it's not ESL's fault, it's DM for not making an agreement with Blizzard. ESL apply the rules. There is no rule on Sub-stream! Twitch is imposed for main english stream but not for other streams. Others streams can run let me quote you main page of blizzard: Timing and Broadcasts Show nested quote +
We expect seasons to last around 10 weeks, with an emphasis on broadcasting Premier League play in each region. Challenger and Qualifier play may be broadcasted via community channels or directly by the partner, at the discretion of NASL and ESL
full text : http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/aboutSo as you can see there is a possibility of choice between the Partner (Twitch) or via community channel. And what you can see is that the decision is ESL to make not twitch nor blizzard. Why not allow a dual stream Twitch/Dailymotion? seems to me that it is the simple solution here
your quoted statement said that about challenger and qualifier. this is now premier league (or sth like, forgot how they named it)
and is twitch really that bad in france? i live in germany and had some lag-problems last wcs but for the last ~3 months it improved a lot
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On February 18 2014 20:06 75 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 19:57 klup wrote:On February 18 2014 19:45 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 19:39 klup wrote:On February 18 2014 19:30 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On February 15 2014 04:54 SC2Kerri wrote:
Today, ESL Decision was given to us: Access to the WCS is forbidden to French organizations.
Thats just a flat out lie. Plz post the statement from Carmac in OP, i cant believe this topic is still alive. Its easy, stream on twitch or go home. Its not that hard to understand. How many times do we have to explain that in France if you stream on twitch only you are dead. No money + no viewers. Ogamingtv managed to negociate with NASL a solution with double stream Twitch.tv+ Dailymotion , why ESL don't want that too is the real question here and has not been answered by Carmac. If Twitch is so great let us choose between both Twitch and Dailymotion what they are afraid of? Ah yes their really poor quality of service! I love how people trust so much in Carmac statement, He is an employee of one of the company that is in the issue so he is as biased as Kerri is. On February 18 2014 19:37 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 19:32 inermis wrote:
Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it. There were some issues 1 or 2 years back, but it's been a while Twitch didn't fuck up massively. I can watch streams on Source settings without a problem in 2 differents countries with 3 differents ISP. The only region where Twitch seems to have problems is France, so it's to french's ISP to stop breaking the net neutrality to promote their shitty DM platform. 1) not only France has issue with twitch 2) This is not a problem of ISP, and they actually don't care about this issue at all. It's a problem between ESL and Ogamingtv/MilleniumTv/aAa Tell me who complained about twitch recently if not french ? And again, it's been like the 100 times it's been said, it's not ESL's fault, it's DM for not making an agreement with Blizzard. ESL apply the rules. There is no rule on Sub-stream! Twitch is imposed for main english stream but not for other streams. Others streams can run let me quote you main page of blizzard: Timing and Broadcasts
We expect seasons to last around 10 weeks, with an emphasis on broadcasting Premier League play in each region. Challenger and Qualifier play may be broadcasted via community channels or directly by the partner, at the discretion of NASL and ESL
full text : http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/aboutSo as you can see there is a possibility of choice between the Partner (Twitch) or via community channel. And what you can see is that the decision is ESL to make not twitch nor blizzard. Why not allow a dual stream Twitch/Dailymotion? seems to me that it is the simple solution here your quoted statement said that about challenger and qualifier. this is now premier league (or sth like, forgot how they named it)
Ah yes sorry my bad. didn't see it's not written premier league. So basically we have no clear statement about the rules on Premier league broadcast. Maybe NarutO is right and there is nothing to do anyway!
Guess it's time to wait for next NationWars.
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On February 18 2014 20:06 75 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 19:57 klup wrote:On February 18 2014 19:45 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 19:39 klup wrote:On February 18 2014 19:30 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On February 15 2014 04:54 SC2Kerri wrote:
Today, ESL Decision was given to us: Access to the WCS is forbidden to French organizations.
Thats just a flat out lie. Plz post the statement from Carmac in OP, i cant believe this topic is still alive. Its easy, stream on twitch or go home. Its not that hard to understand. How many times do we have to explain that in France if you stream on twitch only you are dead. No money + no viewers. Ogamingtv managed to negociate with NASL a solution with double stream Twitch.tv+ Dailymotion , why ESL don't want that too is the real question here and has not been answered by Carmac. If Twitch is so great let us choose between both Twitch and Dailymotion what they are afraid of? Ah yes their really poor quality of service! I love how people trust so much in Carmac statement, He is an employee of one of the company that is in the issue so he is as biased as Kerri is. On February 18 2014 19:37 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 19:32 inermis wrote:
Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it. There were some issues 1 or 2 years back, but it's been a while Twitch didn't fuck up massively. I can watch streams on Source settings without a problem in 2 differents countries with 3 differents ISP. The only region where Twitch seems to have problems is France, so it's to french's ISP to stop breaking the net neutrality to promote their shitty DM platform. 1) not only France has issue with twitch 2) This is not a problem of ISP, and they actually don't care about this issue at all. It's a problem between ESL and Ogamingtv/MilleniumTv/aAa Tell me who complained about twitch recently if not french ? And again, it's been like the 100 times it's been said, it's not ESL's fault, it's DM for not making an agreement with Blizzard. ESL apply the rules. There is no rule on Sub-stream! Twitch is imposed for main english stream but not for other streams. Others streams can run let me quote you main page of blizzard: Timing and Broadcasts
We expect seasons to last around 10 weeks, with an emphasis on broadcasting Premier League play in each region. Challenger and Qualifier play may be broadcasted via community channels or directly by the partner, at the discretion of NASL and ESL
full text : http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/aboutSo as you can see there is a possibility of choice between the Partner (Twitch) or via community channel. And what you can see is that the decision is ESL to make not twitch nor blizzard. Why not allow a dual stream Twitch/Dailymotion? seems to me that it is the simple solution here your quoted statement said that about challenger and qualifier. this is now premier league (or sth like, forgot how they named it) and is twitch really that bad in france? i live in germany and had some lag-problems last wcs but for the last ~3 months it improved a lot
Llewellys told that they wanted to stream WCS Premier, they scheduled it but they had to cancel it.
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On February 18 2014 19:37 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 19:32 inermis wrote:
Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it. There were some issues 1 or 2 years back, but it's been a while Twitch didn't fuck up massively. I can watch streams on Source settings without a problem in 2 differents countries with 3 differents ISP. The only region where Twitch seems to have problems is France, so it's to french's ISP to stop breaking the net neutrality to promote their shitty DM platform.
No its not the only region that has problems with twitch. Whole Europe has and twitch even acknlowged this and explained there were currently not enough datacenters in Europe and they were planning to place more. If they have done that or not by now i dunno. However i know that me and a lot of people from different parts of Europe (and the world) stil have issues sometimes.
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On February 18 2014 21:04 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 19:37 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 19:32 inermis wrote:
Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it. There were some issues 1 or 2 years back, but it's been a while Twitch didn't fuck up massively. I can watch streams on Source settings without a problem in 2 differents countries with 3 differents ISP. The only region where Twitch seems to have problems is France, so it's to french's ISP to stop breaking the net neutrality to promote their shitty DM platform. No its not the only region that has problems with twitch. Whole Europe has and twitch even acknlowged this and explained there were currently not enough datacenters in Europe and they were planning to place more. If they have done that or not by now i dunno. However i know that me and a lot of people from different parts of Europe (and the world) stil have issues sometimes.
How come we probably have the same ISP now (Belgacom) and with my shitty connection shared with 5 people, I can watch 3 stream in High settings ? Heh. There might have some problem with twitch when huge tournaments are in place, like LCS or TI finals, but that's it, and I doubt DM could stay still with hallf a million viewers on a single stream either.
Anyway, I didn't hear complain about twitch for ages, only now because of the drama with ogaming and esl.
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On February 18 2014 21:10 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 21:04 Assirra wrote:On February 18 2014 19:37 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 19:32 inermis wrote:
Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it. There were some issues 1 or 2 years back, but it's been a while Twitch didn't fuck up massively. I can watch streams on Source settings without a problem in 2 differents countries with 3 differents ISP. The only region where Twitch seems to have problems is France, so it's to french's ISP to stop breaking the net neutrality to promote their shitty DM platform. No its not the only region that has problems with twitch. Whole Europe has and twitch even acknlowged this and explained there were currently not enough datacenters in Europe and they were planning to place more. If they have done that or not by now i dunno. However i know that me and a lot of people from different parts of Europe (and the world) stil have issues sometimes. How come we probably have the same ISP now (Belgacom) and with my shitty connection shared with 5 people, I can watch 3 stream in High settings ? Heh. There might have some problem with twitch when huge tournaments are in place, like LCS or TI finals, but that's it, and I doubt DM could stay still with hallf a million viewers on a single stream either. Anyway, I didn't hear complain about twitch for ages, only now because of the drama with ogaming and esl.
Then you don't watch enough streams. Been not a week ago that i was watching a steam and the streamer had to lower his bitrate a ton because otherwise it was skippy as hell.
Also, i really wish people would stop with the "i don't have this issue so it does not exist" nonsense.
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On February 18 2014 21:16 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 21:10 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 21:04 Assirra wrote:On February 18 2014 19:37 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 19:32 inermis wrote:
Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it. There were some issues 1 or 2 years back, but it's been a while Twitch didn't fuck up massively. I can watch streams on Source settings without a problem in 2 differents countries with 3 differents ISP. The only region where Twitch seems to have problems is France, so it's to french's ISP to stop breaking the net neutrality to promote their shitty DM platform. No its not the only region that has problems with twitch. Whole Europe has and twitch even acknlowged this and explained there were currently not enough datacenters in Europe and they were planning to place more. If they have done that or not by now i dunno. However i know that me and a lot of people from different parts of Europe (and the world) stil have issues sometimes. How come we probably have the same ISP now (Belgacom) and with my shitty connection shared with 5 people, I can watch 3 stream in High settings ? Heh. There might have some problem with twitch when huge tournaments are in place, like LCS or TI finals, but that's it, and I doubt DM could stay still with hallf a million viewers on a single stream either. Anyway, I didn't hear complain about twitch for ages, only now because of the drama with ogaming and esl. Then you don't watch enough streams. Been not a week ago that i was watching a steam and the streamer had to lower his bitrate a ton because otherwise it was skippy as hell. Also, i really wish people would stop with the "i don't have this issue so it does not exist" nonsense.
First of all, I probably watch much more stream than you, I have at least one on air constantly.
Second, for the guy who had to lower the bitrate for his stream to be watchable means he had a too poor upload to stream at a higher bitrate.
Third, it's not "I", because "We" share the same provider, and if I don't have a problem with a product and you do, that mean it comes from "you" only, either it is a bad service from your provider in your region, or you have some problem with your intern network. Then again, it's not Twitch fault.
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On February 18 2014 21:22 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 21:16 Assirra wrote:On February 18 2014 21:10 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 21:04 Assirra wrote:On February 18 2014 19:37 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 19:32 inermis wrote:
Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it. There were some issues 1 or 2 years back, but it's been a while Twitch didn't fuck up massively. I can watch streams on Source settings without a problem in 2 differents countries with 3 differents ISP. The only region where Twitch seems to have problems is France, so it's to french's ISP to stop breaking the net neutrality to promote their shitty DM platform. No its not the only region that has problems with twitch. Whole Europe has and twitch even acknlowged this and explained there were currently not enough datacenters in Europe and they were planning to place more. If they have done that or not by now i dunno. However i know that me and a lot of people from different parts of Europe (and the world) stil have issues sometimes. How come we probably have the same ISP now (Belgacom) and with my shitty connection shared with 5 people, I can watch 3 stream in High settings ? Heh. There might have some problem with twitch when huge tournaments are in place, like LCS or TI finals, but that's it, and I doubt DM could stay still with hallf a million viewers on a single stream either. Anyway, I didn't hear complain about twitch for ages, only now because of the drama with ogaming and esl. Then you don't watch enough streams. Been not a week ago that i was watching a steam and the streamer had to lower his bitrate a ton because otherwise it was skippy as hell. Also, i really wish people would stop with the "i don't have this issue so it does not exist" nonsense. First of all, I probably watch much more stream than you, I have at least one on air constantly. Second, for the guy who had to lower the bitrate for his stream to be watchable means he had a too poor upload to stream at a higher bitrate. Third, it's not "I", because "We" share the same provider, and if I don't have a problem with a product and you do, that mean it comes from "you" only, either it is a bad service from your provider in your region, or you have some problem with your intern network. Then again, it's not Twitch fault.
You are so sure we share the same provider so i got to ask. Do you think Belgium only got 1 ISP or something?
I love how you try to blame everything on everyone except twitch btw. Twitch is holy because you have no issues and everyone else has just broken equipment. I give up to argue back, its like talking to a brick wall that has no clue how this stuff actually works...
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On February 18 2014 21:26 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 21:22 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 21:16 Assirra wrote:On February 18 2014 21:10 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 21:04 Assirra wrote:On February 18 2014 19:37 Faust852 wrote:On February 18 2014 19:32 inermis wrote:
Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it. There were some issues 1 or 2 years back, but it's been a while Twitch didn't fuck up massively. I can watch streams on Source settings without a problem in 2 differents countries with 3 differents ISP. The only region where Twitch seems to have problems is France, so it's to french's ISP to stop breaking the net neutrality to promote their shitty DM platform. No its not the only region that has problems with twitch. Whole Europe has and twitch even acknlowged this and explained there were currently not enough datacenters in Europe and they were planning to place more. If they have done that or not by now i dunno. However i know that me and a lot of people from different parts of Europe (and the world) stil have issues sometimes. How come we probably have the same ISP now (Belgacom) and with my shitty connection shared with 5 people, I can watch 3 stream in High settings ? Heh. There might have some problem with twitch when huge tournaments are in place, like LCS or TI finals, but that's it, and I doubt DM could stay still with hallf a million viewers on a single stream either. Anyway, I didn't hear complain about twitch for ages, only now because of the drama with ogaming and esl. Then you don't watch enough streams. Been not a week ago that i was watching a steam and the streamer had to lower his bitrate a ton because otherwise it was skippy as hell. Also, i really wish people would stop with the "i don't have this issue so it does not exist" nonsense. First of all, I probably watch much more stream than you, I have at least one on air constantly. Second, for the guy who had to lower the bitrate for his stream to be watchable means he had a too poor upload to stream at a higher bitrate. Third, it's not "I", because "We" share the same provider, and if I don't have a problem with a product and you do, that mean it comes from "you" only, either it is a bad service from your provider in your region, or you have some problem with your intern network. Then again, it's not Twitch fault. You are so sure we share the same provider so i got to ask. Do you think Belgium only got 1 ISP or something? I love how you try to blame everything on everyone except twitch btw. Twitch is holy because you have no issues and everyone else has just broken equipment. I give up to argue back, its like talking to a brick wall that has no clue how this stuff actually works...
I assumed we had the same provider because you didn't said the contrary when I said so in my previous post. Anyway, I also use Voo in a little village and I was able to watch the IEM with high settings without a lag, and they picked at 90k viewers IIRC.
You can say that I speak for myself only, but you also do speak only for yourself. I ask you to provide me some example about people complaining of twitch in the recent past, except from french people, and I bet you won't find a whole lot.
Anyway, it's as it is, and it probably won't change but if Ogaming/Mill would use Twitch to stream the WCS. Better learn how to use a VPN if you want to watch heh.
Edit : it's quite easy to insult me of being ignorant and leaving like a king while having absolutely no clue about my knowledge of the subject, it's really weak and proove your lack of skill in argumentation. I'm totally open to discuss and if you give me true evidence to back your accusation, I can change my mind without a problem.
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esl is not to blame
solution: twitch should fix their servers and french people should learn english
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On February 18 2014 21:41 ramon wrote:
esl is not to blame
solution: twitch should fix their servers and french people should learn english
Lol we are fine with our english understanding, thanks for your concern. the issue is not that. It is to enjoy a show that is very different from the professional and excellent work of ESL casting team. Pomf& Thud casting has been really entertaining for us for a lot of time and we don't want them to disapear because they bring excellent show and lot of events to SC2 community.
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I listen to english cast most of time anyway. But those guys works hard to make live the e-sport scene in france and EU. They totally deserve to stream on the platform they want. Hope ESL can bring e-sport spirit than money spirit .
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Russian Federation262 Posts
All i could say is really WT*, ESL?
What are the reasons of doing this?
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People still failing to realize its not ESL's call here.
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China6330 Posts
On February 18 2014 21:41 ramon wrote:
esl is not to blame
solution: twitch should fix their servers and french people should learn english
According to a later post by ogaming, some French ISP are deliberately limiting Twitch's bandwidth in France.
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