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Doesn't this whole situation go back to 2013 when Millenium has resigned from casting WCS, because they were barred from using their own stream? I think the reasons here are the same.
So now we have two completely conflicting statements. However, if O'Gaming wont broadcast when Carmac has said they are free to do so, then I'm more inclined to believe O'Gaming. If they don't broadcast, then I think it's likely they have a reason that they can't.
In my opinion the only reason possible, is that they are bound by contract with Dailymotion. Probably they were trying to convince ESL up to the very last moment, however when it failed seems like they decided to try sending pitchfork mob at them. At least, this is how it looks to me.
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On February 15 2014 21:43 Roman666 wrote:Doesn't this whole situation go back to 2013 when Millenium has resigned from casting WCS, because they were barred from using their own stream? I think the reasons here are the same. Show nested quote +
So now we have two completely conflicting statements. However, if O'Gaming wont broadcast when Carmac has said they are free to do so, then I'm more inclined to believe O'Gaming. If they don't broadcast, then I think it's likely they have a reason that they can't.
In my opinion the only reason possible, is that they are bound by contract with Dailymotion. Probably they were trying to convince ESL up to the very last moment, however when it failed seems like they decided to try sending pitchfork mob at them. At least, this is how it looks to me.
That was ESL Euro Series.
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On February 15 2014 21:48 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 21:43 Roman666 wrote:Doesn't this whole situation go back to 2013 when Millenium has resigned from casting WCS, because they were barred from using their own stream? I think the reasons here are the same.
So now we have two completely conflicting statements. However, if O'Gaming wont broadcast when Carmac has said they are free to do so, then I'm more inclined to believe O'Gaming. If they don't broadcast, then I think it's likely they have a reason that they can't.
In my opinion the only reason possible, is that they are bound by contract with Dailymotion. Probably they were trying to convince ESL up to the very last moment, however when it failed seems like they decided to try sending pitchfork mob at them. At least, this is how it looks to me. That was ESL Euro Series.
Ah sorry, got it mixed up.
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Blizzard pays ESL to organize EU imposes WCS but I repeat only ESL stream on twitch because blizzard has a contract with only twitch .
Ogaming Millenium and can stream wcs on dailymotion if they want .
But whether on stream twitch or dailymotion , Ogaming and Millennium must have the permission of ESL .
And that is the problem.
Ogaming and Millenium want stream on dailymotion because they lose money on using twitch more and France twich lag to death.
As neither blizzard nor imposes no twitch twitch except for the stream on ESL .
Knowing that Ogaming and Millenium lose money on twitch and twitch lag in France , knowing that all this does ultimately that hurt the sc2 scene , why impose ESL seen twitch despite all this?
Ask yourself this question .
ESL says it does not prevent Ogamin and millenium stream of wcs , but all the same back that prevent stream .
And once or twitch or blizzard requires ESL prevent Ogamin and millenium of stream on dailymotion , only ESL decided that.
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Well, it is simply not true that ESL forbidds them to stream WCS. That is a lie to get attention.
Its just a rule that it needs to be on twitch.
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On February 16 2014 01:16 Pyloss wrote:
Well, it is simply not true that ESL forbidds them to stream WCS. That is a lie to get attention.
Its just a rule that it needs to be on twitch.
It is not a rule, as said in the original blizzard post, arrangments can be made for non twitch stream.
We will fight!
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Meh... People saying twitch lags in France is total Bullshit.
They just have a nice deal on with dailymotion and don't want to give it up.
I have no idea why ESL is so bitchy about using twitch only, but they have not only the right to decide what happens with WCS EU streaming, but all of the responsibilities of the production etc. etc.
And for god's sake, learn english ya darn frogs :D
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On February 18 2014 17:37 Douillos wrote:
And for god's sake, learn english ya darn frogs :D
It's not about learning english. I have no problem following english cast at all. It's more that I prefer the french stream because they are very very entertaining imo.
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Give dem frenchmen there starcraft back!
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On February 18 2014 17:37 Douillos wrote:
Meh... People saying twitch lags in France is total Bullshit.
Depends on your location and provider I guess. But I'm currently living in France with a 20 mbit connection and at times I can't even watch Twitch at medium quality without issues. It's pretty bad 
Since I don't speak French very well, I don't really care left or right what happens with the French streams, I just want my Twitch fixed 
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Were there ever in history of business a case were exclusive deals to a single company were a good thing?
I can´t come up with a single one to be honest.
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On February 18 2014 17:48 klup wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 17:37 Douillos wrote:
And for god's sake, learn english ya darn frogs :D It's not about learning english. I have no problem following english cast at all. It's more that I prefer the french stream because they are very very entertaining imo.
Seconed. Speaking english fluently, yet I am still watching the German stream. Take + Naruto + third caster is just too good to miss out.
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On February 18 2014 18:25 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Were there ever in history of business a case were exclusive deals to a single company were a good thing?
I can´t come up with a single one to be honest.
No it's because it is called Private Monopoly and in every single economics book it is known at the worst form of business model ever. It push prices high with poor quality and poor innovation. :D .
As we can all witness the relative poor quality of twitch in EU is maybe the first sign of it. Twitch get rid of all concurrence and now they have no reason to improve the quality of stream because we will watch it anyway.
But that's not the topic it's more about ESL not wanting Ogamingtv to broadcast. NASL agreed to let them broadcast so what is the difference here? They are both blizzard official broadcast, but one of them is not as cool as they seems.
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On February 18 2014 17:48 klup wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 17:37 Douillos wrote:
And for god's sake, learn english ya darn frogs :D It's not about learning english. I have no problem following english cast at all. It's more that I prefer the french stream because they are very very entertaining imo.
That's probably why I don't mind. I always feel like I'm listening to immature adolescents when I'm listening to French casts...
And you don't get much more chauvinistic than a french caster (Et il y a x ans, le 12 jullet 1998, la France gagnait la coupe du monde... EVERY FUCKING YEAR)
EDIT/ I just wanted to add that this is my opinion and in no way justifies the fact that they aren't allowed to cast. I know a lot of people who love their casting, and as I went to Iron squid 2 I have a lot of respect for the work and what they have done for E sports. I just prefer english casting.
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On February 18 2014 18:33 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 17:48 klup wrote:On February 18 2014 17:37 Douillos wrote:
And for god's sake, learn english ya darn frogs :D It's not about learning english. I have no problem following english cast at all. It's more that I prefer the french stream because they are very very entertaining imo. That's probably why I don't mind. I always feel like I'm listening to immature adolescents when I'm listening to French casts... And you don't get much more chauvinistic than a french caster (Et il y a x ans, le 12 jullet 1998, la France gagnait la coupe du monde... EVERY FUCKING YEAR)
I always wonder whether this is the case for native english speakers as well... Since I experience the same thing with German streams. Also I always want to punch someone when they mix the English and German names for units in the same cast. Like at one time they are talking roaches, next thing I hear is them talking Schaben...
Back on topic... Any consens coming? Would be quite sad since I love the sound of French in the morning.
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On February 18 2014 18:33 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 17:48 klup wrote:On February 18 2014 17:37 Douillos wrote:
And for god's sake, learn english ya darn frogs :D It's not about learning english. I have no problem following english cast at all. It's more that I prefer the french stream because they are very very entertaining imo. That's probably why I don't mind. I always feel like I'm listening to immature adolescents when I'm listening to French casts... And you don't get much more chauvinistic than a french caster (Et il y a x ans, le 12 jullet 1998, la France gagnait la coupe du monde... EVERY FUCKING YEAR) EDIT/ I just wanted to add that this is my opinion and in no way justifies the fact that they aren't allowed to cast. I know a lot of people who love their casting, and as I went to Iron squid 2 I have a lot of respect for the work and what they have done for E sports. I just prefer english casting.
I love sub-streams and particullary the french one because they have more freedom of talk. While ESL main cast must be professional , subcast can be more fun and little bit less serious. That's why it's great and that's why ESL should not see Ogamingtv as concurrent. If I want serious cast I go ESL main stream. If I want more loose cast I can go Ogamingtv, If I don't speak english I can go OgamingTv.
It would be great if the issue could be fixed for the round B since it will not for group A. Please ESL let us enjoy some good starcraft action !
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On February 15 2014 04:54 SC2Kerri wrote:
Today, ESL Decision was given to us: Access to the WCS is forbidden to French organizations.
Thats just a flat out lie. Plz post the statement from Carmac in OP, i cant believe this topic is still alive.
Its easy, stream on twitch or go home. Its not that hard to understand.
Every streamer would rather stream WCS on their own stream than the WCS ones on twitch. But thats Blizzards decision. Then go to blizzard and ask them about it.
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Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it.
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On February 18 2014 19:32 inermis wrote:
Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it.
There were some issues 1 or 2 years back, but it's been a while Twitch didn't fuck up massively. I can watch streams on Source settings without a problem in 2 differents countries with 3 differents ISP.
The only region where Twitch seems to have problems is France, so it's to french's ISP to stop breaking the net neutrality to promote their shitty DM platform.
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On February 18 2014 19:30 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 04:54 SC2Kerri wrote:
Today, ESL Decision was given to us: Access to the WCS is forbidden to French organizations.
Thats just a flat out lie. Plz post the statement from Carmac in OP, i cant believe this topic is still alive. Its easy, stream on twitch or go home. Its not that hard to understand.
How many times do we have to explain that in France if you stream on twitch only you are dead. No money + no viewers. Ogamingtv managed to negociate with NASL a solution with double stream Twitch.tv+ Dailymotion , why ESL don't want that too is the real question here and has not been answered by Carmac.
If Twitch is so great let us choose between both Twitch and Dailymotion what they are afraid of? Ah yes their really poor quality of service!
I love how people trust so much in Carmac statement, He is an employee of one of the company that is in the issue so he is as biased as Kerri is.
On February 18 2014 19:37 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 19:32 inermis wrote:
Twitch sucks for EU and that is a fact. Watching stream on High settings and it being smooth is an achievement. Watching lagless source, impossible lately. Wish blizzard came up with their own streaming thingie, or use MLG's platform or azubuTV.
TL;DR
Twitch needs to pick up their game, or people will stop using it. There were some issues 1 or 2 years back, but it's been a while Twitch didn't fuck up massively. I can watch streams on Source settings without a problem in 2 differents countries with 3 differents ISP. The only region where Twitch seems to have problems is France, so it's to french's ISP to stop breaking the net neutrality to promote their shitty DM platform.
1) not only France has issue with twitch
2) This is not a problem of ISP, and they actually don't care about this issue at all. It's a problem between ESL and Ogamingtv/MilleniumTv/aAa
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