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On February 15 2014 07:30 Ishentar wrote:
But why would French organization agree to stream other championships on stream (IEM / Dreamhack... etc..) and not WCS ? That makes no-sense. Except if you believe that our french community makes drama to make drama... as a french i don't hink so but well.
Perhaps IEM and Dreamhack allowed them to keep a greater portion of the revenue their French stream generated?
Really, the more I talk about this, the more I'm convinced that there's WAY too many variables for just speculation to account for. We really need a concrete explanation of WHY these French broadcasting rights were denied.
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Yes, I think that until we have an official statement about that giving a reason of why french organizations aren't allowed to stream, any discussion will be nearly pointless
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On February 15 2014 07:40 Ishentar wrote:
Yes, I think that until we have an official statement about that giving a reason of why french organizations aren't allowed to stream, any discussion will be nearly pointless
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On February 15 2014 07:40 Ishentar wrote:
Yes, I think that until we have an official statement about that giving a reason of why french organizations aren't allowed to stream, any discussion will be nearly pointless
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On February 15 2014 07:44 Carmac wrote:
It is not true that OgamingTV, Millenium or Team aAa were barred from broadcasting WCS Europe. OgamingTV is free to broadcast WCS Europe on Twitch, the broadcasting partner of WCS Europe, next Tuesday.
Obtaining broadcasting rights for WCS Europe was not something that we made difficult and the fact that the league has been broadcasted in five different languages is evidence of that.
The ESL and Blizzard have nothing against OgamingTV broadcasting the StarCraft II World Championship Series in French. We have the highest regard and admiration for the quality of their work and see them as a valued supporter of the StarCraft II community.
The conversations about the conditions which OgamingTV would want to stream WCS Europe under (including broadcasting on platforms other than Twitch) were ongoing in good faith and we hope those will continue.
Michal Blicharz
Managing Director Pro Gaming, ESL
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On February 15 2014 07:40 Ishentar wrote:
Yes, I think that until we have an official statement about that giving a reason of why french organizations aren't allowed to stream, any discussion will be nearly pointless
Indeed, although if this is how they go about doing business behind closed doors I don't think I'd be interested in playing nice with them either. This comes over as very childish in the OP.
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The problem is not twitch or dailymotion.
The fact is that ESL claiming a percentage of income that generate the stream of wcs on millenium or ogaming. The fact is that ESL is too greedy.
So in the end it's all a question of money.
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On February 15 2014 04:54 SC2Kerri wrote:
Dear Starcraft II community,
My name is Sebastien « Kerri », I am the Starcraft II Tournament Director at O’Gaming TV.
France has one of the biggest community in Europe and is very structured thanks to two very professional TVs: O’Gaming TV & Millenium TV. You probably know us and you already followed our different products: Dailymotion Cup , NationWars, MSI Pro Cup, Numericable M-House Cup, Iron Squid I & II. We made the best players come in our country, we gave to the Starcraft II fans the best shows and gathered the French-speaking countries on high-quality streams.
O’Gaming, aAa – which was in charge of casting WCS in 2013 - and Millenium have recently wanted to build a partnership and to work together to apply for casting in French WCS Europe. This Partnership is for us the best way to enable all our fans meet the biggest SC2 competition with all the best French casters.
Today, ESL Decision was given to us: Access to the WCS is forbidden to French organizations.
On February 15 2014 07:44 Carmac wrote:
It is not true that OgamingTV, Millenium or Team aAa were barred from broadcasting WCS Europe. OgamingTV is free to broadcast WCS Europe on Twitch, the broadcasting partner of WCS Europe, next Tuesday.
Obtaining broadcasting rights for WCS Europe was not something that we made difficult and the fact that the league has been broadcasted in five different languages is evidence of that.
The ESL and Blizzard have nothing against OgamingTV broadcasting the StarCraft II World Championship Series in French. We have the highest regard and admiration for the quality of their work and see them as a valued supporter of the StarCraft II community.
The conversations about the conditions which OgamingTV would want to stream WCS Europe under (including broadcasting on platforms other than Twitch) were ongoing in good faith and we hope those will continue.
Michal Blicharz
Managing Director Pro Gaming, ESL
So now we have two completely conflicting statements. However, if O'Gaming wont broadcast when Carmac has said they are free to do so, then I'm more inclined to believe O'Gaming. If they don't broadcast, then I think it's likely they have a reason that they can't.
At the same time, Michal is probably much higher up on the ladder than Sebastien is, so his word does carry a bit more weight.
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On February 15 2014 07:57 dabom88 wrote: If they don't broadcast, then I think it's likely they have a reason that they can't.
the reason is that they would probably make more money streaming lol or anything on DM than WCS on twitch, despite wanting to provide a french WCS stream
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ESL Official statement
It is not true that OgamingTV, Millenium or Team aAa were barred from broadcasting WCS Europe. OgamingTV is free to broadcast WCS Europe on Twitch, the broadcasting partner of WCS Europe, next Tuesday.
Obtaining broadcasting rights for WCS Europe was not something that we made difficult and the fact that the league has been broadcasted in five different languages is evidence of that.
The ESL and Blizzard have nothing against OgamingTV broadcasting the StarCraft II World Championship Series in French. We have the highest regard and admiration for the quality of their work and see them as a valued supporter of the StarCraft II community.
The conversations about the conditions which OgamingTV would want to stream WCS Europe under (including broadcasting on platforms other than Twitch) were ongoing in good faith and we hope those will continue.
Michal Blicharz
Managing Director Pro Gaming, ESL
source:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1xxb78/no_french_stream_allowed_for_wcs/cffjm02
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On February 15 2014 07:54 iknowthetrue wrote:
The problem is not twitch or dailymotion.
The fact is that ESL claiming a percentage of income that generate the stream of wcs on millenium or ogaming. The fact is that ESL is too greedy.
So in the end it's all a question of money.
And what evidence do you have of this? We've been told literally nothing about the cause for this supposed "Ban". Stop being a conspiracy theorist.
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I have my sources.
I dont need evidence.
Believe me or not I do not care, I just told you the real reason.
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If that is true, then why wouldn't Ogaming come out and say that instead of inventing the lie that all French organizations are banned?
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On February 15 2014 10:59 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
If that is true, then why wouldn't Ogaming come out and say that instead of inventing the lie that all French organizations are banned?
i don't know if what iknowthetrue is saying is true, but if it's the case then kere made a very bad manoeuvre in his communication :/
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On February 15 2014 11:19 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 10:59 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
If that is true, then why wouldn't Ogaming come out and say that instead of inventing the lie that all French organizations are banned? i don't know if what iknowthetrue is saying is true, but if it's the case then kere made a very bad manoeuvre in his communication :/
Just look at his username, post count, posts, and refusal to give any evidence or sources. He's most likely just some troll who made an account just to stir up controversy about this topic.
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On February 15 2014 10:44 iknowthetrue wrote:
I have my sources.
I dont need evidence.
Believe me or not I do not care, I just told you the real reason.
Rofl. Nice try though. :D
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On February 15 2014 10:44 iknowthetrue wrote:
I have my sources.
I dont need evidence.
Believe me or not I do not care, I just told you the real reason.
yeaaaaa ... no
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Is this still the Twitch TV problem? Why is it so hard for the french stream to accept that they have to use twitch? Or am I misunderstanding something?
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On February 15 2014 21:05 Big-t wrote:
Is this still the Twitch TV problem? Why is it so hard for the french stream to accept that they have to use twitch? Or am I misunderstanding something?
Twitch is pretty bad in France, we have huge issues with it, it's lagging even if you have a great connection. If you have the wrong Internet Provider you can't watch Twitch whereas Dailymotion is great for French.
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