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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 06:06 revel8 wrote:
I've been gone for a couple of months or so, and I return to see this sh1t?
What the hell? Another team screwing over their players? I thought Quantic was supposed to be one of the decent ones.
Are people still hating on EG here? Cos last I checked paying all your players in full and on time is something they have always done, and so many teams fail to meet this minimum requirement. Makes all that hate for them look increasingly foolish considering all the scam artists and fraudsters ripping off players in other teams.
What other scandals have happened in the last 3 months or so? I hope this is the only one.
http://www.teamliquid.net/news/community
You should find most of everything here and reading in depth'll likely give you a better picture than what we can tell you in a few sentences and I suppose the definition of "scandal" is kind of subjective as well.
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On January 03 2014 06:10 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 06:06 revel8 wrote:
I've been gone for a couple of months or so, and I return to see this sh1t?
What the hell? Another team screwing over their players? I thought Quantic was supposed to be one of the decent ones.
Are people still hating on EG here? Cos last I checked paying all your players in full and on time is something they have always done, and so many teams fail to meet this minimum requirement. Makes all that hate for them look increasingly foolish considering all the scam artists and fraudsters ripping off players in other teams.
What other scandals have happened in the last 3 months or so? I hope this is the only one. http://www.teamliquid.net/news/communityYou should find most of everything here and reading in depth'll likely give you a better picture than what we can tell you in a few sentences and I suppose the definition of "scandal" is kind of subjective as well.
Thanks.
So as well as Quantic dying, Western Wolves is gone. STX Soul is dead and Fou is also kaput. Mana is leaving Mouz, Bomber leaving Startale and MC leaving Sk Gaming. DuckDeok retired. And Jaedong won something.
Man, it's like a different world now....
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On January 03 2014 05:13 Oakenshield wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 02:43 ES_JohnClark wrote:
Well.. I figure I should address this directly.
I want to be clear from the start though that I do not believe that Simon intended to deceive or scam anyone. He is young, and I really have no one to blame but myself for being in this situation. I would also like to see all of the players and others that are owed money be paid. Again, I do not believe Simon intended to scam anyone. Personally, I believe that he just gave up and ran out of funds. At this point, he may feel there is no reason to pay his outstanding debts. He has walked away from eSports. I do hope though, that when he comes forward (if he does) that he will pay his debts and that the 'hate' will stop. I would like to find solutions (my mantra) rather than continue hating on the situation. I realize that my own unselfishness has lead to many of my own losses, but I believe that as long as we continue to push forward, regardless of the losses, we will stabilize the industry and create a truly sustainable model.
John Clark
ESport Solutions, LLC
What a cult this guy has going. Either you are still being paid or you're unfit to work for any company. If you really believe that being young is a reason to accidentally bankrupt a company and not run it properly even before the theft finally becomes public (like not booking flights you promise people you booked a week ago) then everyone should hope to be young for a while longer, and hire someone like you so they can steal from them and then immediately be forgiven of wrong doing. If you are an adult like you say you are you know that stealing tens of thousands of dollars from people who may have needed it gravely is nothing you can morally or legally just walk away from because you don't feel like you owe anyone the things you stole from them. Luckily the community will not be as forgiving of theft as you and I would wager a guess that this guy has to work under the table cleaning bathrooms at a restaurant in some small town village off the radar once his current cash grab runs out.
While I wouldn't be this blunt, I kind of feel this way too. A lot of guys say this is unfortunately part of eSports and they won't put up with it anymore, then they jump on the next fly-by-night operation and get burned again*. How can you move forward, not on (as John Clark puts it), if people don't try something different?
Of course I have sympathy since players need support to compete and other people gotta work, so it's definitely a tricky situation. But every time something happens the response is always, "We can't let this keep happening" without any real change in anyone's behavior.
* While the original Quantic guys may have transitioned operations to Simon, it's not like anyone would have reasonably expected them to stick around, which means Quantic was inevitably going to be run by some kid who inherited way too much money from Dad.
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On January 03 2014 06:30 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 06:10 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 06:06 revel8 wrote:
I've been gone for a couple of months or so, and I return to see this sh1t?
What the hell? Another team screwing over their players? I thought Quantic was supposed to be one of the decent ones.
Are people still hating on EG here? Cos last I checked paying all your players in full and on time is something they have always done, and so many teams fail to meet this minimum requirement. Makes all that hate for them look increasingly foolish considering all the scam artists and fraudsters ripping off players in other teams.
What other scandals have happened in the last 3 months or so? I hope this is the only one. http://www.teamliquid.net/news/communityYou should find most of everything here and reading in depth'll likely give you a better picture than what we can tell you in a few sentences and I suppose the definition of "scandal" is kind of subjective as well. Thanks. So as well as Quantic dying, Western Wolves is gone. STX Soul is dead and Fou is also kaput. Mana is leaving Mouz, Bomber leaving Startale and MC leaving Sk Gaming. DuckDeok retired. And Jaedong won something. Man, it's like a different world now....
The SC2 bubble burst.
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HyuN needs a good lawyer. He can arguably pierce the corporate veil and go after the principles in quantic gaming individually. He deserves tp get [aod/
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On January 03 2014 07:10 Nero1138 wrote:
HyuN needs a good lawyer. He can arguably pierce the corporate veil and go after the principles in quantic gaming individually. He deserves tp get [aod/
It's hard to see how the veil wouldn't be pierced in this scenario. Law suit may be prohibitively expensive, however.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
the problem with lawyering up and suing is a combination of
1) lawsuits are expensive
2) suing someone for money they may not have isn't a great move
hyun got boned real bad, and it sucks ;_; but trying to navigate a foreign country's legal system may not be the best move? I'm not sure since i don't know how the law works in canada
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 07:30 Blazinghand wrote:
the problem with lawyering up and suing is a combination of
1) lawsuits are expensive
2) suing someone for money they may not have isn't a great move
hyun got boned real bad, and it sucks ;_; but trying to navigate a foreign country's legal system may not be the best move? I'm not sure since i don't know how the law works in canada
He and Golden have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising in international dealings who's willing to (at least initially) take a look free of charge.
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On January 03 2014 07:31 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 07:30 Blazinghand wrote:
the problem with lawyering up and suing is a combination of
1) lawsuits are expensive
2) suing someone for money they may not have isn't a great move
hyun got boned real bad, and it sucks ;_; but trying to navigate a foreign country's legal system may not be the best move? I'm not sure since i don't know how the law works in canada He and Golden have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising in international dealings who's willing to (at least initially) take a look free of charge.
I hope they have someone who understands English to help them, since, as many of us know, their English is okay enough for informal conversations, but not good enough to handle something like law.
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I doubt that he will get any of his money back. This will be the end of quantic gaming.
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The skype image is Simon?
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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On January 03 2014 11:48 illidanx wrote:
The skype image is Simon?
According to the given evidence, this is him. Clearly.
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How do you end up being owed 23 grand in the first place?
Did that amount accrue over time or was it only from a couple of big wins? If it's the former why the hell didn't hyun see the obvious and bail out long before it hit 20 grand? Especially with what happened previously. Once bitten twice shy?
Everyone bitching as this simon (rightly so too, at least purely on what hyun has written and without hearing the other side).
But really, hands up anyone who who should be getting paid from work and doesn't, yet still goes into work? Anyone?
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On January 03 2014 13:46 fruity. wrote:
How do you end up being owed 23 grand in the first place?
Did that amount accrue over time or was it only from a couple of big wins? If it's the former why the hell didn't hyun see the obvious and bail out long before it hit 20 grand? Especially with what happened previously. Once bitten twice shy?
Everyone bitching as this simon (rightly so too, at least purely on what hyun has written and without hearing the other side).
But really, hands up anyone who who should be getting paid from work and doesn't, yet still goes into work? Anyone?
That is one of the problems with the whole thing for sure. Although Hyun is the wronged party, he should have checked out when the outstanding balance was around 5K. It sucks, but I don't go to work when my boss misses payroll.
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On January 03 2014 13:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 13:46 fruity. wrote:
How do you end up being owed 23 grand in the first place?
Did that amount accrue over time or was it only from a couple of big wins? If it's the former why the hell didn't hyun see the obvious and bail out long before it hit 20 grand? Especially with what happened previously. Once bitten twice shy?
Everyone bitching as this simon (rightly so too, at least purely on what hyun has written and without hearing the other side).
But really, hands up anyone who who should be getting paid from work and doesn't, yet still goes into work? Anyone?
That is one of the problems with the whole thing for sure. Although Hyun is the wronged party, he should have checked out when the outstanding balance was around 5K. It sucks, but I don't go to work when my boss misses payroll.
Yea i probably wouldve checked out after 500 dollars lol. When someone can't transfer you 500 dollars in this day and age then something is wrong. Even paypal would be an easy way to transfer 500 dollars but to let it get to 23k and trust someone you don't REALLY know just seems foolish on Hyun's part. However, he was still screwed and deserves his money that is owed.
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On January 02 2014 19:21 Agh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 18:13 Pokebunny wrote:On January 02 2014 16:14 Agh wrote:
Not defending Quantic by any means, but Hyun is at fault for letting this go on past the first occurrence and not bringing it to light.
Hopefully any current players reading this will take note. Good faith doesn't exist in this 'business'. Probably over half of esports teams have some late payments or financial issues. If everyone left their teams after 2 months delayed salary then quite a few teams would not exist. Is it good? Obviously not, but such is the life of a pro that can't join one of the few truly trusted organizations. Exactly, those teams should not exist. The few organizations that are reputable and have a stable model and foundation should remain, the rest should not. The longer they remain around the more harm they do to the scene and existing teams.
I mean obviously that's ideal, but people complain about pros retiring left and right too. If people weren't taking chances on shaky organizations there would be even less players staying in the game than there are now.
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On January 03 2014 13:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 13:46 fruity. wrote:
How do you end up being owed 23 grand in the first place?
Did that amount accrue over time or was it only from a couple of big wins? If it's the former why the hell didn't hyun see the obvious and bail out long before it hit 20 grand? Especially with what happened previously. Once bitten twice shy?
Everyone bitching as this simon (rightly so too, at least purely on what hyun has written and without hearing the other side).
But really, hands up anyone who who should be getting paid from work and doesn't, yet still goes into work? Anyone?
That is one of the problems with the whole thing for sure. Although Hyun is the wronged party, he should have checked out when the outstanding balance was around 5K. It sucks, but I don't go to work when my boss misses payroll.
It is esports and not a regular job. A different environment if you will and it is not easy to go elsewhere with the same conditions. So you hold on to a nice contract where you get promiseda nice salary.
I mean what is the other option? Check out and then have no team for a while and if you find one will they pay you enough? I think the tipping point here is the pricemoney, his pricemoney. Not just the salary. I think if it would just be the salary he would have taken even more time.
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That article is from May......
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