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On December 26 2013 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:WCS had nothing to do with it. If anything, it extended the lives of a lot of Korean teams by allowing easy money in NA and EU to be picked up. Sponsors are easier to sell on LoL and Dota because those have more viewers.
Dota 2 has more viewers in Korea than SC2?
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On December 26 2013 05:59 bokchoi wrote:Damn serious, he went man-mode moved to Korea and switched to WCS Korea. Maybe he can go back to StarTale? He was there for a bit with Illusion went Quantic and StarTale were partnered. Sad to see fOu go  Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 05:46 Xiphos wrote:
I'm pretty sure that ESF will now be porting other teams into GSTL such as EG, TL, Mill, mouz, that girlfriend team, VAyi spiders, ummm... help me out, I'm running out of foreign teams to name here. Pretty sure unless GOM comes to some kind of agreement with KeSPA and has their teams participate, GSTL is dead.
I can say that unless GSTL somehow magically brings together a roster of teams with KeSPA involvement, Axiom-Acers partnership will dissolve. GSTL had a reputation as being an excellent teamleague and right up until the end it was, but I just can't see how they could continue with only 3 teams, 4 at most if Team Epic becomes a thing.
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On December 26 2013 06:27 XaCez wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:On December 26 2013 05:32 JJH777 wrote:
Thanks for WCS2013 Blizzard!! WCS had nothing to do with it. If anything, it extended the lives of a lot of Korean teams by allowing easy money in NA and EU to be picked up. Sponsors are easier to sell on LoL and Dota because those have more viewers. Dota 2 has more viewers in Korea than SC2?
most likely
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On December 26 2013 06:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 05:59 bokchoi wrote:On December 26 2013 03:14 Maasked wrote:
Poor, poor state. Damn serious, he went man-mode moved to Korea and switched to WCS Korea. Maybe he can go back to StarTale? He was there for a bit with Illusion went Quantic and StarTale were partnered. Sad to see fOu go On December 26 2013 05:46 Xiphos wrote:
I'm pretty sure that ESF will now be porting other teams into GSTL such as EG, TL, Mill, mouz, that girlfriend team, VAyi spiders, ummm... help me out, I'm running out of foreign teams to name here. Pretty sure unless GOM comes to some kind of agreement with KeSPA and has their teams participate, GSTL is dead. I can say that unless GSTL somehow magically brings together a roster of teams with KeSPA involvement, Axiom-Acers partnership will dissolve. GSTL had a reputation as being an excellent teamleague and right up until the end it was, but I just can't see how they could continue with only 3 teams, 4 at most if Team Epic becomes a thing.
Ah, too bad
Thought you guys would try to get into Proleague next season, if that will happen. AxAcer would imo do great there!
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On December 26 2013 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:WCS had nothing to do with it. If anything, it extended the lives of a lot of Korean teams by allowing easy money in NA and EU to be picked up. Sponsors are easier to sell on LoL and Dota because those have more viewers.
It's almost like sponsors will intentionally gravitate towards casual-friendly, free to play games with massive playerbases over an expensive, hyper-competitive product with a stagnant, hardcore crowd. Who wuddathunkit.
Blizzard didn't harm the Korean scene with WCS 2013, if anything it was a year long session of CPR. SC2 harmed the Korean scene.
I can say that unless GSTL somehow magically brings together a roster of teams with KeSPA involvement, Axiom-Acers partnership will dissolve. GSTL had a reputation as being an excellent teamleague and right up until the end it was, but I just can't see how they could continue with only 3 teams, 4 at most if Team Epic becomes a thing.
Would you be amenable to playing in PL if invited and conditions were satisfactory?
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I roughly translated the long series of tweets from choya; sorry if i made mistakes or used incorrect words ^^
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Starting from 31 December 2013, our Dota 2 Team will disband.
From March till December this year I experienced and learned a lot and had moments to look back on myself.
I want to express deep thanks to Anarchy and Ranto (Dota 2 players) who wanted to stay til the end despite of difficult situation.
Instead of any excuses, I sincerly apologize for my shortcoming as coach that we didnt won despite having the best team and for receiving negative comments.
I think an end is also a new beginning. For now this is the end but in future there will be new challenges.
Those people who always cheered us gave us lot of strenght.
Also i really want to thank the Nexon officials who took care of us for last 8 months!
It seems that I always bring bad news so I leave a short notice on facebook.
It is a pity that it ends like this for those players who went through sufferings with a young coach with many shortcoming for last 3 years.
Starting tomorrow (tweet is from 25.Dec), I will try to transfer Leenock, Lucky, Hurricane, Seed, Tassadar and Gumiho.
In case of Leenock, he already received an offer.
Originally I wanted to announce these informations after the qualification round, but since the players also have to prepare for the future, I inform you in this short notice.
If you have interest in our players, you can contact players directly or if you contact me, I will connect you more easily.
I thank you for the past. For now, I am planning to join the military (mandatory duty as korean citizen).
For those who got angry and upset by my shortcomings, I would be thankful if you can forgive me and resolve it in a good way.
My acknowledgement goes to our fans who loved and supported us for last 3 years.
As I said earlier that an end is a new beginning, so I will look forward to a new beginning.
Thank you very much for supporting fou team!
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On December 26 2013 06:29 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 06:27 XaCez wrote:On December 26 2013 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:On December 26 2013 05:32 JJH777 wrote:
Thanks for WCS2013 Blizzard!! WCS had nothing to do with it. If anything, it extended the lives of a lot of Korean teams by allowing easy money in NA and EU to be picked up. Sponsors are easier to sell on LoL and Dota because those have more viewers. Dota 2 has more viewers in Korea than SC2? most likely
Source...? Afaik, Dota is also completely negligible in Korea, Lol just dominates.
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hope prime pick some of these players up!
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On December 26 2013 06:47 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 06:29 nkr wrote:On December 26 2013 06:27 XaCez wrote:On December 26 2013 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:On December 26 2013 05:32 JJH777 wrote:
Thanks for WCS2013 Blizzard!! WCS had nothing to do with it. If anything, it extended the lives of a lot of Korean teams by allowing easy money in NA and EU to be picked up. Sponsors are easier to sell on LoL and Dota because those have more viewers. Dota 2 has more viewers in Korea than SC2? most likely Source...? Afaik, Dota is also completely negligible in Korea, Lol just dominates.
If you've seen Nexon Leagues featuring Chinese players, the crowd was amazing.
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hmmm wonder were leenock will go. always thought he suit the PL format
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isnt even funny reading comments anymore ... normal things happens, after fxo was gone as sponsor it was kinda expected, its a normal things teams disbands after some years ... but sure its wcs fault or the evil blizzard or whatever ... rly wonder why you guys not quit sc2 and go watch halma
sad news but saying its "death of sc2" or anything is so stupid
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2014 looks pretty grim for SC2.
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On December 26 2013 06:47 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 06:29 nkr wrote:On December 26 2013 06:27 XaCez wrote:On December 26 2013 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:On December 26 2013 05:32 JJH777 wrote:
Thanks for WCS2013 Blizzard!! WCS had nothing to do with it. If anything, it extended the lives of a lot of Korean teams by allowing easy money in NA and EU to be picked up. Sponsors are easier to sell on LoL and Dota because those have more viewers. Dota 2 has more viewers in Korea than SC2? most likely Source...? Afaik, Dota is also completely negligible in Korea, Lol just dominates.
It is, but... Starcraft 2 isn't doing very well, too... so it's not easy to say. I don't know about viewers but PC bang wise neither game is bringing in considerable numbers, none of them is a top 10 game, while LoL has more market share than place 2-10 combined. It's kind of one sided. Interesting is that BW is still in middle of the top 10.
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On December 26 2013 07:24 UmberBane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 06:47 ACrow wrote:On December 26 2013 06:29 nkr wrote:On December 26 2013 06:27 XaCez wrote:On December 26 2013 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:On December 26 2013 05:32 JJH777 wrote:
Thanks for WCS2013 Blizzard!! WCS had nothing to do with it. If anything, it extended the lives of a lot of Korean teams by allowing easy money in NA and EU to be picked up. Sponsors are easier to sell on LoL and Dota because those have more viewers. Dota 2 has more viewers in Korea than SC2? most likely Source...? Afaik, Dota is also completely negligible in Korea, Lol just dominates. It is, but... Starcraft 2 isn't doing very well, too... so it's not easy to say. I don't know about viewers but PC bang wise neither game is bringing in considerable numbers, none of them is a top 10 game, while LoL has more market share than place 2-10 combined. It's kind of one sided. Interesting is that BW is still in middle of the top 10.
BW smashing Sc2 in PC bangs is my favorite fact in the whole world, it always makes me laugh.
Blizzard is slowly but surely doing the right things and correcting mistakes, the problem with Korea is that it is simply too late. The train has already left the station, circled the whole subway system twice, come back to the station and left again. Nothing will move LoL off the top spot or create a massive surge of interest in a 60 dollar game with 30 dollar expansion set at this point, you only get one shot at this. The game will be fine in terms of survival, but the idea of growth is a pipe dream, there is no target demographic.
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On December 26 2013 07:34 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 07:24 UmberBane wrote:On December 26 2013 06:47 ACrow wrote:On December 26 2013 06:29 nkr wrote:On December 26 2013 06:27 XaCez wrote:On December 26 2013 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:On December 26 2013 05:32 JJH777 wrote:
Thanks for WCS2013 Blizzard!! WCS had nothing to do with it. If anything, it extended the lives of a lot of Korean teams by allowing easy money in NA and EU to be picked up. Sponsors are easier to sell on LoL and Dota because those have more viewers. Dota 2 has more viewers in Korea than SC2? most likely Source...? Afaik, Dota is also completely negligible in Korea, Lol just dominates. It is, but... Starcraft 2 isn't doing very well, too... so it's not easy to say. I don't know about viewers but PC bang wise neither game is bringing in considerable numbers, none of them is a top 10 game, while LoL has more market share than place 2-10 combined. It's kind of one sided. Interesting is that BW is still in middle of the top 10. BW smashing Sc2 in PC bangs is my favorite fact in the whole world, it always makes me laugh. Blizzard is slowly but surely doing the right things and correcting mistakes, the problem with Korea is that it is simply too late. The has already left the station, circled the whole subway system twice, come back to the station and left again. Nothing will move LoL off the top spot or create a massive surge of interest in a 60 dollar game with 30 dollar expansion set at this point, you only get one shot at this. The game will be fine in terms of survival, but the idea of growth is a pipe dream, there is no target demographic.
Hey there, LoL was on place 2 for one week when Diablo3 was released!  The D3 hype was just enormous (back in May 2012 or so?) I don't think the fact that you have to pay for it should matter as much at PC Bangs, where you pay anyway?
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Aww, so sad for Gumiho and Leenock. BUT, Prime does need some new players to not (Completely) fail in proleague. So... maybe...
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Really sad news. I wonder what will ST and AxA do now that there is no way to put a GSTL together. Also curious if Team Epic will actually recruit any player now.
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On December 26 2013 07:37 UmberBane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 07:34 Squat wrote:On December 26 2013 07:24 UmberBane wrote:On December 26 2013 06:47 ACrow wrote:On December 26 2013 06:29 nkr wrote:On December 26 2013 06:27 XaCez wrote:On December 26 2013 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:On December 26 2013 05:32 JJH777 wrote:
Thanks for WCS2013 Blizzard!! WCS had nothing to do with it. If anything, it extended the lives of a lot of Korean teams by allowing easy money in NA and EU to be picked up. Sponsors are easier to sell on LoL and Dota because those have more viewers. Dota 2 has more viewers in Korea than SC2? most likely Source...? Afaik, Dota is also completely negligible in Korea, Lol just dominates. It is, but... Starcraft 2 isn't doing very well, too... so it's not easy to say. I don't know about viewers but PC bang wise neither game is bringing in considerable numbers, none of them is a top 10 game, while LoL has more market share than place 2-10 combined. It's kind of one sided. Interesting is that BW is still in middle of the top 10. BW smashing Sc2 in PC bangs is my favorite fact in the whole world, it always makes me laugh. Blizzard is slowly but surely doing the right things and correcting mistakes, the problem with Korea is that it is simply too late. The has already left the station, circled the whole subway system twice, come back to the station and left again. Nothing will move LoL off the top spot or create a massive surge of interest in a 60 dollar game with 30 dollar expansion set at this point, you only get one shot at this. The game will be fine in terms of survival, but the idea of growth is a pipe dream, there is no target demographic. Hey there, LoL was on place 2 for one week when Diablo3 was released! The D3 hype was just enormous (back in May 2012 or so?) I don't think the fact that you have to pay for it should matter as much at PC Bangs, where you pay anyway?
Yeah I remember the D3 hype, I was one of the guilty ones. Talk about an absolute deflation, what a let-down.
I don't think you can't play SC2 unless you have a Bnet account with Sc2 on it, which means you have to buy it anyway. At least I think that's how it works, unless the PC bang has accounts you can use, but then you don't get any achievements or portraits or anything.
It's just really fucking hard to compete with free stuff, you need a crushingly superior product to justify spending a 100+ dollars for the game plus two expansions. And this...just isn't it.
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Not a good christmas gift...
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