Ok he might not be a pro but he definetly was an important person for the community, so I think this will be interesting for a lot of people. So I just leave this here:
This was a bit depressing to watch I must say especially the things about his job etc almost made me cry (cause I have a similar problem). But most importantly he wont do any SC II related content (or any content for any game at all) anymore due to not having fun with the game.
So many players/pros leaving is sad .
I recently started donig the pure marine build again vs Protoss to train my mechanics cause Im totally lost there. If Filter didnt have made this I would have lost faith in the game too.
GG Filter , you will be missed. We will not forget what you have done for the community.
EDIT: Some more info who this is :FilterSC did a lot of tutorial videos named "From Bronze to Masters" . He showed how to get better at the game by purely relying on mechanics and not gimmicky stuff. Most of the time when someone needed help mechanics wise this guy was mentioned. He also had a pretty good stream. EDIT2: Altered my post a bit after asking a mod about it so people dont pounce on it due to making a "SC2 is dying/whining about the game" statement.
UPDATE: Some people wanted more infos so I just let his work speak for itself:
This is the Video that focuses on getting the basics done: -spend your ressources - dont get supply blocked - keep your production going Its a simple "mass marine" build but it shows how to train your mechanics. After you completed this task you could learn some real builds that he also showed. Note: this is the HOTS version and the redefined version and he showed this versus AI. But he also did this in WOL and vs real opponents:
There are several videos on his yt channel where he did this vs humans too. He worked several accounts up to masters league with this build to show the power of macro. To grant fairness vs low league players , since he was a masters player, he didnt used any fancy micro moves etc just attack move. He also didnt reasearched stim or upgrades. Mostly he focused on terran but he also made a few videos for the other Races.
The next one is a 4 video series. Here he shows the basics for getting into sc2 and also a video about the strenghts and weaknesses for all races. The videos are: 1. The absolute basics
2. Understanding playstyles .
3. Picking a Race/Understanding a Race
4. Learning Starcraft 2 Braaaaains
My favourite one is the third video cause it gives some nice insight into all 3 Races. So I hope these videos are some good examples. Check out his youtube channel for some more infos.
Also can a mod please add an [Updated] tag to the subject line? Dont know that works.
I always recommended his guides when someone asked me how to learn the game. He produced some great content, too bad it didn't work out in the end. Best of luck in the future Filter!
On December 11 2013 23:36 Seeker wrote: Could you add some more information? Who is filter and what did he do eSports wise?
Done. I hope this is enough info ,didnt want to make a wall of text. Im also surprised that there are people who dont know him. Oh also why not check out his youtube channel .
On December 11 2013 23:57 ZAiNs wrote: Some low-level player quit because the game is in a 'horrible state, and he was telling people to do 'pure Marine' builds to train their mechanics?
Not a pro, but a fairly good player, who helped many many people get good at starcraft: a true legend in the community. True it doesn't say much objectively when one person quits though.
Yeah. I really liked his videos and I was hoping he could become a bigger name, but it's unnecessary to make a post just to whine about the game again.
On December 12 2013 00:03 grs wrote: I liked his videos, but it does not even mildly imply "the game is dead" like the OP suggests.
Could you guys please read my first post carefully and stop posting such stupid comments like this. I never said the game was/is dead nor did I wanted to whine about the game wtf . He was a very helpful person to a lot of community members so I think this deserves a little bit attention. I cant think oft any other guide that was mentioned/linked so often (besides day9) if someone neede help with mechanics. And the pure marine build was just a training for mechanics he also made other stuff.
It's crazy because everyone that stops playing is stopping for the same reasons. I stopped playing for the same reasons as filter. I quit playing because it's just not fun. I know people rag on league a lot, but when you know what you're doing in that game you get rewarded. In sc2, it's as simple as picking protoss and learning 1 all in. Hell, we even have a high masters protoss player that plays with an Xbox 360 controller (you could never do that in broodwar and get past D+).
On December 12 2013 00:03 grs wrote: I liked his videos, but it does not even mildly imply "the game is dead" like the OP suggests.
Could you guys please read my first post carefully and stop posting such stupid comments like this. I never said the game was/is dead wtf . He was a very helpful person to a lot of community members so I think this deserves a little bit attention. I cant think oft any other guide that was mentioned/linked so often (besides day9) if someone neede help with mechanics. And the pure marine build was just a training for mechanics he also made other stuff.
All of that is true, but if you didn't want your post to be received as whiny you shouldn't have ended it with "If a player that relied purely on mechanics and teached others to use this mechanics quits cause he doesnt have fun doing it anymore , then this is a bad thing."
Guy moves on from game he played casually(aka not for a living)for nearly 4 years. No longer makes videos, so game must be dying. Do we need these threads every time an unpaid community figures life becomes to busy for them to continue their work?
On December 12 2013 00:03 grs wrote: I liked his videos, but it does not even mildly imply "the game is dead" like the OP suggests.
Could you guys please read my first post carefully and stop posting such stupid comments like this. I never said the game was/is dead nor did I wanted to whine about the game wtf . He was a very helpful person to a lot of community members so I think this deserves a little bit attention. I cant think oft any other guide that was mentioned/linked so often (besides day9) if someone neede help with mechanics. And the pure marine build was just a training for mechanics he also made other stuff.
I read your post; especially:
But most importantly he wont do any SC II related content (or any content for any game at all) anymore due to being the game in a horrible state.
--> Game is in a horrible state (what he said is basically the Protoss (and to some extent Zerg) does not need skill, only Terran does.
I think this is really sad but also alarming too.
--> It is sad that he does not make videos anymore, but why is it alarming?
If a player that relied purely on mechanics and teached others to use this mechanics quits cause he doesnt have fun doing it anymore , then this is a bad thing.
--> QQ game needs no mechanical skill.
So many players/pros leaving is not good for the game at all
--> Let's say I leave SC2, would that be bad for the game? I guess not.
On December 12 2013 00:03 grs wrote: I liked his videos, but it does not even mildly imply "the game is dead" like the OP suggests.
Could you guys please read my first post carefully and stop posting such stupid comments like this. I never said the game was/is dead wtf . He was a very helpful person to a lot of community members so I think this deserves a little bit attention. I cant think oft any other guide that was mentioned/linked so often (besides day9) if someone neede help with mechanics. And the pure marine build was just a training for mechanics he also made other stuff.
All of that is true, but if you didn't want your post to be received as whiny you shouldn't have ended it with "If a player that relied purely on mechanics and teached others to use this mechanics quits cause he doesnt have fun doing it anymore , then this is a bad thing."
Are you trying to troll or do you have poor reading skills? This was definetly NOT how my post ended , neither it was the last line.
Honestly this guy has never contributed to tlnet in any form. It's a random dude who had a youtube channel who got bored of the game and decided to move on. And this warrants a "retirement" thread because? I can't think of a reason. I guess we better go find the other 10k+ youtubers that stopped making videos/tutorials and give them a tribute as well.
On December 11 2013 23:57 ZAiNs wrote: Some low-level player quit because the game is in a 'horrible state, and he was telling people to do 'pure Marine' builds to train their mechanics?
Not a pro, but a fairly good player, who helped many many people get good at starcraft: a true legend in the community. True it doesn't say much objectively when one person quits though.
making albeit helpful YouTube videos doesn't at all warrant someone to stand out as a legend.
On December 12 2013 00:03 grs wrote: I liked his videos, but it does not even mildly imply "the game is dead" like the OP suggests.
Could you guys please read my first post carefully and stop posting such stupid comments like this. I never said the game was/is dead wtf . He was a very helpful person to a lot of community members so I think this deserves a little bit attention. I cant think oft any other guide that was mentioned/linked so often (besides day9) if someone neede help with mechanics. And the pure marine build was just a training for mechanics he also made other stuff.
All of that is true, but if you didn't want your post to be received as whiny you shouldn't have ended it with "If a player that relied purely on mechanics and teached others to use this mechanics quits cause he doesnt have fun doing it anymore , then this is a bad thing."
Are you trying to troll or do you have poor reading skills? This was definetly NOT how my post ended , neither it was the last line.
I am deeply sorry, it was not the last line. That doesn't change anything though.
The second part of the interview video makes him seem butthurt about not getting the recognition he feels he deserves. I don't know any of his work so I can't comment on it.
Why do half of you have to be arrogant pricks about this..... Show the guy some respect its sad to see just 1 person leave sc2 be it Bronze - GM or Pro because its a loss in the community that is felt on ladder whether you want to believe it or not.... So get off your high horse and just atleast be halfway decent about this.
Its sad to see someone that has contributed to the eSports / SC2 community leave best wishes on your future endeavors.
Sad to hear he's done, his video guides were awesome in WoL. I probably referred a good dozen people to watch his videos when they asked me for help with macro, and a lot of them improved because of it.
Thanks for your contribution to the community, FIlterSC, and gl hf in your future endeavors.
On December 12 2013 00:49 Pirfiktshon wrote: Why do half of you have to be arrogant pricks about this..... Show the guy some respect its sad to see just 1 person leave sc2 be it Bronze - GM or Pro because its a loss in the community that is felt on ladder whether you want to believe it or not.... So get off your high horse and just atleast be halfway decent about this.
Its sad to see someone that has contributed to the eSports / SC2 community leave best wishes on your future endeavors.
I can't speak for all pricks, but I am being an arrogant prick towards the OP and not Filter and have made that as clear as I can. The OP is using Filter's quitting for making statements of his own and that's more prickish than the reactions imo.
I can't speak for all pricks, but I am being an arrogant prick towards the OP and not Filter and have made that as clear as I can. The OP is using Filter's quitting for making statements of his own and that's more prickish than the reactions imo.
I'd like to think the TL community is always a growing family the dude feels sad about losing part of that "family" let him express his feeling a little... even if they are a little bias toward something or a misconception.....
never listened to his stuff before until today, but he sounds like a really good guy. esports is an exceedingly difficult industry to all-in on. barring the commentary on race balance his reasons for quitting sc2 make a lot of sense, esp blizzard's response to lalush's vid. i like how honest he is with self-criticism and how well he controls his bitterness.
filter i hope you can take solace in the fact that there are hundreds of people who've done a lot of work for the sc community for free just because it was fun. there is merit just in doing something you really enjoy and trying your best at it. i guess it really complicates things if you want/need to make money off of it, but thankfully during the beginning years there was simply no option for monetizing starcraft, so we never really had to deal with that stress. must be really discouraging.
anyhow, wish you the best in whatever you pursue. if you are just playing for fun now, maybe try out brood war? it's immensely rewarding/unbelievably frustrating. so actually yeah maybe don't try brood war LOL
On December 12 2013 00:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: WTF are these disgusting reactions!? FilterSC made amazing guides for improving macro play and mechanics.
They are a response to the OP being whiny about the reason why Filter quit. They have little to do with Filter himself.
On December 12 2013 00:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: WTF are these disgusting reactions!? FilterSC made amazing guides for improving macro play and mechanics.
Every negative reaction (including mine) is to OP, not Filter.
I don't care about the shitty comments in here, Filter produced great videos and seems to be a great guy in general, I'm very thankful for the content he provided and it brought me a lot of enjoyment.
I can't speak for all pricks, but I am being an arrogant prick towards the OP and not Filter and have made that as clear as I can. The OP is using Filter's quitting for making statements of his own and that's more prickish than the reactions imo.
I'd like to think the TL community is always a growing family the dude feels sad about losing part of that "family" let him express his feeling a little... even if they are a little bias toward something or a misconception.....
Thank you also to all others who feel sad about this and wrote a nice reaction. I edited my OP a bit after asking a mod about this. I made the Thread right after watching the video so I guess I "overreacted" a bit.
Really enjoyed his videos series Bronze to Masters and whilst the pro scene probably wont notice him going the average joe trying to improve in the game will. I hope life works out for him as his tone of voice in that video sounded very emotional
I really do think people need to realize that SC2 is not a sport and has missed its window of opportunity to be one. There are very few making money from this scene, the sponsorship and the viewer base simply isnt there.
Guy quits with a balance whine after getting worse at the game over time. It used to be a joke among zerg and protoss in master that it was almost impossible to find a manner terran to practice with. Plenty of nice high master/gm or diamond terrans. From his video, it looks like he was a victim of that. I wish op wouldn't take his balance whine so seriously.
On December 12 2013 00:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: WTF are these disgusting reactions!? FilterSC made amazing guides for improving macro play and mechanics.
They are a response to the OP being whiny about the reason why Filter quit. They have little to do with Filter himself.
What's wrong with the OP post? He was just giving some thoughts.. I swear, every thread I see you charge in, berating the OP for whatever reason.
I wish Filter the best, sounds like he has plans for school and stuff in the future, that's awesome, good luck to you sir if you are reading!
I really like his series. It helped me get to masters as Terran (although I ended up changing my builds in tvt and against zerg). The focus on mechanics and economy was key and I liked that he provided clear benchmarks regarding what you should have at particular times during the game. I don't care at all for all of the balance whining though. It's really tedious. In any event GL to you Filter and thanks for all of the content.
This really is sad news for me. He wasn't a pro or anything, but he made great content for players looking to improve fundamentals and so he was always someone I kept an eye out for. He's a great guy and I wish him well in the future.
So sad he's gone. I really loved his "From Bronze to Masters" series, I've used it and sent it to a lot of friends to try and help them improve at SC2.
I remember when he made that ridiculous Thread/Youtube video called "The Starcraft 2 Crisis".
In any case, as someone who 'helped' the community, that is debatable. In WoL he had these macro/benchmark videos that gave the illusion of making you a better player. I was terrible when I first watched filter. But then I just did the 13 min Mass Roach push with 2+/2+ and steam rolled my way to low Masters MMR. When I tried to deviate from this strat, I got crushed. Why? Because I was just another brainless robot who followed a BO and hadn't actually learnt aspects of the game.
I only really improved when I started following TangSC. So following filter was actually damaging to me as a player and he might have done the same thing to many others.
On December 12 2013 01:15 mewo wrote: Guy quits with a balance whine after getting worse at the game over time. It used to be a joke among zerg and protoss in master that it was almost impossible to find a manner terran to practice with. Plenty of nice high master/gm or diamond terrans. From his video, it looks like he was a victim of that. I wish op wouldn't take his balance whine so seriously.
Ok I will say this ONE more time. He never whined about balance before afaik so this is a one time thing. I wrote the topic shortly after watching the video cause there wasnt a thread about it so i got a bit emotional too. I already edited it so STOP posting about it AFTER I changed it. I made this thread purely for the people who know him and got helped by him, so they can grant wishes and say thank you to him.
who, didn't think you could pack so much whining into 30 minutes of video, playing terran since wol, played protoss for a while and got better than terran ? You clearly chose wrong race from the start, sir
I haven´t watched any of his other stuff, but I can say his Bronze to Masters series have helped me (though somehow I never got to masters...) and many others at the very start, so I find the number of posts making derogative comments about his lack of superstardom quite sad. well, TL - the (grand)masters only community. :-(
Never watched his videos but strong video. I have no idea why some people react so stupidly in this thread. I rather listen to this guy then mister total bisquit!
Dude made some good content, and then kinda started making ridiculous claims. Sad to see him go, and he did at least make me try out the mass marine stuff.
sad to see him go ;'( his videos really helped me when i was a new player. I read strategy watching apollo and i was still stuck in bronze and then i tried filtersc zerg videos and got almost instantly up to plat level just amoving roaches blindly. from there on I tried out other builds and with 1-2 practice games i could play any strategy with decent macro. His videos is imo the best way to learn sc2 and what i always recommended to new players. Glad to see him casting with lowko now <3 http://www.twitch.tv/lowkotv
I've always been a fan filter, i wish you best with your future endeavors and i hope you go back to school and do fantastic and be happy with the results that you get.
On December 12 2013 01:15 mewo wrote: Guy quits with a balance whine after getting worse at the game over time. It used to be a joke among zerg and protoss in master that it was almost impossible to find a manner terran to practice with. Plenty of nice high master/gm or diamond terrans. From his video, it looks like he was a victim of that. I wish op wouldn't take his balance whine so seriously.
Ok I will say this ONE more time. He never whined about balance before afaik so this is a one time thing. I wrote the topic shortly after watching the video cause there wasnt a thread about it so i got a bit emotional too. I already edited it so STOP posting about it AFTER I changed it. I made this thread purely for the people who know him and got helped by him, so they can grant wishes and say thank you to him.
There is a lot of content which is actually correct in its assertions of how to improve. This guy didn't even use camera hotkeys. People like you are going to have to unlearn a bunch of stuff because his fundamental play was just wrong. It's not like people are speaking ill of the dead here. He quit sc, not the mortal plane.
People should know that his videos are wrong. He quit for a lot of reasons but you shouldn't discount his failed monetization and lack of improvement. He didn't quit only because of balance. It shouldn't be lost on the community that the guy making improvement videos quit, in part, because he didn't get better and then blamed it on balance.
Meh, Filter had turned into a whiner. A lot of nonsense posts about how to "fix" the game in the last many months. The undeserved stature that video game him also gave his posts credibility they did not deserve. It's better for him and for SC2 that he is gone. Good luck to him, though. At least he had the class to tune out quietly than make an irrelevant thread about it...
This saddens me greatly. One of the greats, quits :-/ For me Filtersc2 was one of my fav and premium tutorial/streamers. You will be missed. GL with the future and I hope you got my donation. Terran ftw
OP could have put a bit more effort into this threat.
The reddit threat has allready over 700 upvotes. Now many TL´s might ask why does a random mediocore player who stopped playing a video game causes so much attention. OK he might have made some tutorials for Bronze Noobs, had some followers on youtube, whatever. Read the comments and you will maybe figure it out.
This guy without even knowing contributed so much more to the game and the ladder you can even think of. His easy way of explaining the very very basics of the game helped so many beginners to become somewhat successful in a really hard and frustrating game. His benchmark system is easy to grasp on, his build orders simple but effective and his timings were exact enough to win games against higher league players. Mimic the builds and hitting the benchmarks gave you the feeling and tools to feel improvment in an enviroment (battlenet) which don´t give you the feedback in the first place.
So many Bronzys, Goldys and Platys followed his path through macro and became good. When ever i was an a barcraft and some new player asked for good videos everyone was revering to FIlter.
As many others on reddit stated he helped them to stay motivated or even to like the game at all.
That he is frustrated with the game of with the way things have going for him, might be is own Fault, but this has nothing to do with the things he has done for a big part of the community. A part of the community most people on Teamliquid don´t acknowledge. Normal Joe and Jon who don´t know about Teamliquid who only know about Battle-Net forum. People they don´t even know that there is a pro scene. Maybe the casual try hard who likes to be competitive but never played any RTS before.
He raised the skill in the upper bracket of the ladder to a great extend. And even when he wasn't a stable part of the TL community he still was part of the SC2 community and he should get some respect for what he has achieved.
I am sorry my english is terrible. I hope my post makes any sense.
I just watched the first 5-6 of his vids. Great focus on economy - defining precise benchmarks. I liked his style a lot more than the day9/husky style. I wish him the best. Hope he finds success and maybe find fun again in sc2 when playing it more casually.
On December 12 2013 03:03 Gonzo103 wrote: OP could have put a bit more effort into this threat.
The reddit threat has allready over 700 upvotes. Now many TL´s might ask why does a random mediocore player who stopped playing a video game causes so much attention. OK he might have made some tutorials for Bronze Noobs, had some followers on youtube, whatever. Read the comments and you will maybe figure it out.
This guy without even knowing contributed so much more to the game and the ladder you can even think of. His easy way of explaining the very very basics of the game helped so many beginners to become somewhat successful in a really hard and frustrating game. His benchmark system is easy to grasp on, his build orders simple but effective and his timings were exact enough to win games against higher league players. Mimic the builds and hitting the benchmarks gave you the feeling and tools to feel improvment in an enviroment (battlenet) which don´t give you the feedback in the first place.
So many Bronzys, Goldys and Platys followed his path through macro and became good. When ever i was an a barcraft and some new player asked for good videos everyone was revering to FIlter.
As many others on reddit stated he helped them to stay motivated or even to like the game at all.
That he is frustrated with the game of with the way things have going for him, might be is own Fault, but this has nothing to do with the things he has done for a big part of the community. A part of the community most people on Teamliquid don´t acknowledge. Normal Joe and Jon who don´t know about Teamliquid who only know about Battle-Net forum. People they don´t even know that there is a pro scene. Maybe the casual try hard who likes to be competitive but never played any RTS before.
He raised the skill in the upper bracket of the ladder to a great extend. And even when he wasn't a stable part of the TL community he still was part of the SC2 community and he should get some respect for what he has achieved.
I am sorry my english is terrible. I hope my post makes any sense.
Please tell me what I could have done better Im open for Ideas. Like adding more videos from him? I can still do some editing. But Im afraid that there will still be people making nasty comments like there already are if I add more. Almost 4k + views but only 60~ replies (so far) was a bit shocking for me, I thought more people know about him.It was really underwhelming. My OP was also a bit different from what it is now. I had to change it up a bit cause, I was saying that its bad for the game if so many players/pros/contributors leave, but then people jumped on the "youre whining about the game" or "do we need another balance whine thread?" hatewagon. Even after I edited it (strangely mostly members with a Protoss icon). Or made other disgusting comments like "lol low level player leaving who cares" . I also asked a mod then if this thread is appropiate at all and he sayed its fine but edit it a bit cause the comm is pretty "sensitive" about things like these . So I leaved it like that cause the topic is already getting way less attention than I expected .
On December 12 2013 04:06 ZenithM wrote: Wait "a legend in the community" and I didn't even heard of him? Either I'm blind and deaf, or we're overstating things quite a bit.
He's quite legendary in the Terran community I'd say, about every other beginner seems to be starting out with his videos.
On December 12 2013 04:06 ZenithM wrote: Wait "a legend in the community" and I didn't even heard of him? Either I'm blind and deaf, or we're overstating things quite a bit.
Ye if you were battling it out in the gold/plat/diamond league u most certainly saw his tutorials at some point. If you didnt, perhaps you were one of the few who didnt see it. SImple chance....
No disrespect to Filter or the people he was referring to as I like a number of them, but his comment about the more recognized names in SC2 being a group of people that seemed to play Brood War together is something that hit me when WoL came out. I being someone who played BW for years without knowing anything about a pro scene, teamliquid.net, or really even going online, I found it pretty coincidental/lucky/in all honestly good for them that these friends managed to tether on to the rocket ship of popularity that was blasting off when SC2 launched. I guess it was because the BW scene in NA was so small that people just knew each other? It was a little head tilting at first. As a last note in case this post got taken the wrong way, I don't agree with them being some clique that didn't accept him.
As a terran, I don't think people understand how hard it was to find anything as good as Filter's videos at the time they came out.
How many threads and posts are there from terrans whining about micro, cheese and unbalance? Filter showed that he could fast expand and a-move his way through most of the ladder. He deserves some slack even if he seems frustrated about balance right now.
He put so much time into each video, with goals and practice games vs the AI running in the background of the ladder games. His builds were almost exclusively about mechanics, so you lazy ignorants commenting about "pure marines" should actually watch his videos before you comment.
Another benefit I had from his videos were how easy it was to understand builds from pros afterwards.
Sure, you could watch 100 videos from Day9 (and like many others I have :p) and learn most of the same. But for efficient usage of your time, his videos were easily the best.
On December 12 2013 04:23 humblegar wrote: As a terran, I don't think people understand how hard it was to find anything as good as Filter's videos at the time they came out.
How many threads and posts are there from terrans whining about micro, cheese and unbalance? Filter showed that he could fast expand and a-move his way through most of the ladder. He deserves some slack even if he seems frustrated about balance right now.
He put so much time into each video, with goals and practice games vs the AI running in the background of the ladder games. His builds were almost exclusively about mechanics, so you lazy ignorants commenting about "pure marines" should actually watch his videos before you comment.
Another benefit I had from his videos were how easy it was to understand builds from pros afterwards.
Sure, you could watch 100 videos from Day9 (and like many others I have :p) and learn most of the same. But for efficient usage of your time, his videos were easily the best.
Good luck FilterSC!
+1 Well put. I feel like you expressed my thoughts when you said that there werent many good macro tutorials like Filter did them. The thought, care and depth he put into his videos, made u appreciate the game in a whole new way. I remember playing a whole season like he taught me, and my mechanics improved so much. Watch 1 Filter video, or watch 500 Day9 dailies, and I assure you you will get more out of the Filter videos in terms of effectiveness on improving on ladder. No offence to the DayKnight army, as I am one of them
On December 12 2013 00:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: WTF are these disgusting reactions!? FilterSC made amazing guides for improving macro play and mechanics.
They are a response to the OP being whiny about the reason why Filter quit. They have little to do with Filter himself.
What's wrong with the OP post? He was just giving some thoughts.. I swear, every thread I see you charge in, berating the OP for whatever reason.
I wish Filter the best, sounds like he has plans for school and stuff in the future, that's awesome, good luck to you sir if you are reading!
I actually find that Plansix is one of the better more active posters on TL. I've had plenty of disagreements with him, but I'd never say he was bashing.
That said, sucks that this guy's giving it up. I think this is the kind of thing that's worse than a mid level pro quitting because this guy (though I've never heard of him before today, honestly) has given something far more useful back to the community than a round of 8 MLG finish and then fading back into obscurity (I'm sure we've lost 1 or 2 of those types of pros, no?). Additionally, it doesn't seem like the OP has the best grasp on English (sorry OP, I don't mean that insultingly) so maybe you should all cut him a little slack? Cmon, TL. You're better than that.
On December 12 2013 04:46 nkr wrote: I feel like this thread is a bit like how people get celebrated when they die. Why not celebrate them while theyre still alive?
Because it's too hard to appreciate so many people consistently. Easier to reflect.
I didn't recall the name when I first saw this thread, but after I read through I remembered the marine macro video. I know when I would try to get people into the game, this was the video they were sent to. Pretty much everyone I've talked to that plays terran started with this video as a tool to learn macro before incorporating more advance strategies.
It's a shame he's not producing videos anymore, but I know our community can fill the gaps.
On December 12 2013 04:46 nkr wrote: I feel like this thread is a bit like how people get celebrated when they die. Why not celebrate them while theyre still alive?
Because it's too hard to appreciate so many people consistently. Easier to reflect.
If you can appreciate people when they quit, you could've done it before they did as well!
On December 12 2013 00:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: WTF are these disgusting reactions!? FilterSC made amazing guides for improving macro play and mechanics.
They are a response to the OP being whiny about the reason why Filter quit. They have little to do with Filter himself.
What's wrong with the OP post? He was just giving some thoughts.. I swear, every thread I see you charge in, berating the OP for whatever reason.
I wish Filter the best, sounds like he has plans for school and stuff in the future, that's awesome, good luck to you sir if you are reading!
I actually find that Plansix is one of the better more active posters on TL. I've had plenty of disagreements with him, but I'd never say he was bashing.
That said, sucks that this guy's giving it up. I think this is the kind of thing that's worse than a mid level pro quitting because this guy (though I've never heard of him before today, honestly) has given something far more useful back to the community than a round of 8 MLG finish and then fading back into obscurity (I'm sure we've lost 1 or 2 of those types of pros, no?). Additionally, it doesn't seem like the OP has the best grasp on English (sorry OP, I don't mean that insultingly) so maybe you should all cut him a little slack? Cmon, TL. You're better than that.
Was it that bad? My english is actually quite okay. I think I can read/understand it better than I can write or talk. It may also be the fact that Im 28 now and its been a looong time when I finished school ( with 17) and learned english. We also learned mostly british english in school so yeah, it may look a bit "rusty" Also:
i never heared of him in my life, who was it ? more infos plz
for the people that want more infos: I appreciate your curiosity but is it so hard to look up for some infos yourself or click on some of the youtube vids? That said I can still add some more videos , just tell me or be more specific about what kind of info you want.
On December 12 2013 00:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: WTF are these disgusting reactions!? FilterSC made amazing guides for improving macro play and mechanics.
They are a response to the OP being whiny about the reason why Filter quit. They have little to do with Filter himself.
What's wrong with the OP post? He was just giving some thoughts.. I swear, every thread I see you charge in, berating the OP for whatever reason.
I wish Filter the best, sounds like he has plans for school and stuff in the future, that's awesome, good luck to you sir if you are reading!
I actually find that Plansix is one of the better more active posters on TL. I've had plenty of disagreements with him, but I'd never say he was bashing.
That said, sucks that this guy's giving it up. I think this is the kind of thing that's worse than a mid level pro quitting because this guy (though I've never heard of him before today, honestly) has given something far more useful back to the community than a round of 8 MLG finish and then fading back into obscurity (I'm sure we've lost 1 or 2 of those types of pros, no?). Additionally, it doesn't seem like the OP has the best grasp on English (sorry OP, I don't mean that insultingly) so maybe you should all cut him a little slack? Cmon, TL. You're better than that.
I try to be positive about amost everything, the rest of the Internet has negative under control. And my problem with the op ended when he edited this post to remove some of the more negative, "geam is ded" comments. Filter did really good work and although his "retirement message" is a little balance whiny, his body of work overshadows that. He was a huge help to new players, which is under rated.
Farewell Filter. I may have never heard of you before..... you may have been a nobody in the TL community.... but apparently you had some views on a youtube channel. Adios.
I updated the OP with more infos and videos cause some members wished for it. Can a mod pls add an [Updated with more infos] tag to the subject line? I dont know how that works.
Filter, thanks so much for everything you did, you made by far the best tutorials for getting better at SC2. Your Terran series made me a much better player when I was first starting out, and your Zerg series helped me switch races and have way more fun with the game than I was before. Thank you!!
People will just pick one thing, and stick with it in this thread like lions.
I, being a Zerg player, enjoyed his Terran series and learned nice things from him. Be it that a random gold player or a pro is retiring, it is the same, that's 1 less viewer on the tournament, that's potentially one less seat taken in already small crowds etc etc.
Show some respect for Filter, because he contributed more to this community than most of us here ever did.
TL is known for having arguments over semantics and nit-picking certain things in post, while disregarding the whole point of the post.
Thanks for the kind words from those that posted them.
It actually makes me pretty sad that the majority of people here don't consider me a member of the teamliquid community. That might be true for the past few months, but for a few years there I was here every day reading everything I possibly could here to get better and the news articles/post standard on teamliquid makes it an amazing forum to visit. I also have one of the top 3 most viewed sc2 strategy posts from the WoL days, that I didn't update for hots because well.. I just never finished my HoTS material. I didn't post a lot here because I didn't feel like I would add anything positive to many of the conversations going on, but I enjoyed reading them immensely. I consider teamliquid my home though and still enjoy the website/forums/community immensely whenever I visit.
I want to make the balance stuff perfectly clear. I feel like Blizzard is choosing to make Terran less rewarding to play at a high skill level, instead of making the other races more rewarding to play at a high level. I dont care about the winrates, I just want the game to be the best it can be. Please don't take it for a qq Terran up, because that's not the message.
Thanks for the support, thanks to everybody who linked my videos to their friends and foes. It's been a great ride, and I've had a lot of fun.
Edit: Just a quick edit, thanks for posting OP. The edits look really good, makes me wonder what it originally looked like based on the comments lol. Ignore the venom from people though, it doesn't matter and reading the good things people have said always brings a smile to my face. And to the guy who compared me to idra, I'll take it even in it's extremely negative context
On December 12 2013 10:32 Filter wrote: Thanks for the kind words from those that posted them.
It actually makes me pretty sad that the majority of people here don't consider me a member of the teamliquid community. That might be true for the past few months, but for a few years there I was here every day reading everything I possibly could here to get better and the news articles/post standard on teamliquid makes it an amazing forum to visit. I also have one of the top 3 most viewed sc2 strategy posts from the WoL days, that I didn't update for hots because well.. I just never finished my HoTS material. I didn't post a lot here because I didn't feel like I would add anything positive to many of the conversations going on, but I enjoyed reading them immensely. I consider teamliquid my home though and still enjoy the website/forums/community immensely whenever I visit.
I want to make the balance stuff perfectly clear. I feel like Blizzard is choosing to make Terran less rewarding to play at a high skill level, instead of making the other races more rewarding to play at a high level. I dont care about the winrates, I just want the game to be the best it can be. Please don't take it for a qq Terran up, because that's not the message.
Thanks for the support, thanks to everybody who linked my videos to their friends and foes. It's been a great ride, and I've had a lot of fun.
Edit: Just a quick edit, thanks for posting OP. The edits look really good, makes me wonder what it originally looked like based on the comments lol. Ignore the venom from people though, it doesn't matter and reading the good things people have said always brings a smile to my face. And to the guy who compared me to idra, I'll take it even in it's extremely negative context
gg man, i don't know your content but i've definitely seen your name around. i've noticed TL has a nasty bent toward needlessly trashing any news about a player/team/whatever that isn't competing in WCS. even if calling you a "legend" is an overstatement, arguing the point is just senseless negativity. if one person or ten people or a hundred people consider you important, there's no reason to claim you aren't
to the people who only want to read posts about taeja and soulkey - if you don't post here at all, your disapproval will be reflected as the thread dies. until then, let people who care go on caring
He makes some good points. When I was really into SC2 in the WoL days I felt like I was around the same knowledge/skill as Filter and Nathanias were, with the both of them being slightly more skilled and with me having no real intentions of making a career out of the scene. But it's interesting to say the least who makes it out, who doesn't, and the effects that it has. One who can barely get by and has accumulated debt, and one that is at a fair amount of events and in a comfortable place by now. I guess it really shows how marketing and chasing makes an effect. In the old days all you had to do was be out there and create content. That's how the day9s and huskys were created. These days it seems like you really have to push to get people to promote your content and make yourself known because the scene is so much more established and just "showing up" doesn't cut it anymore.
On December 12 2013 10:32 Filter wrote: Thanks for the kind words from those that posted them.
It actually makes me pretty sad that the majority of people here don't consider me a member of the teamliquid community. That might be true for the past few months, but for a few years there I was here every day reading everything I possibly could here to get better and the news articles/post standard on teamliquid makes it an amazing forum to visit. I also have one of the top 3 most viewed sc2 strategy posts from the WoL days, that I didn't update for hots because well.. I just never finished my HoTS material. I didn't post a lot here because I didn't feel like I would add anything positive to many of the conversations going on, but I enjoyed reading them immensely. I consider teamliquid my home though and still enjoy the website/forums/community immensely whenever I visit.
I want to make the balance stuff perfectly clear. I feel like Blizzard is choosing to make Terran less rewarding to play at a high skill level, instead of making the other races more rewarding to play at a high level. I dont care about the winrates, I just want the game to be the best it can be. Please don't take it for a qq Terran up, because that's not the message.
Thanks for the support, thanks to everybody who linked my videos to their friends and foes. It's been a great ride, and I've had a lot of fun.
Edit: Just a quick edit, thanks for posting OP. The edits look really good, makes me wonder what it originally looked like based on the comments lol. Ignore the venom from people though, it doesn't matter and reading the good things people have said always brings a smile to my face. And to the guy who compared me to idra, I'll take it even in it's extremely negative context
a lot of us do know who you are, it's the OP original post being horrible at the beginning that made everyone went "who?" as a response.
Filter really were great for the community. When I came back to StarCraft 2 after about 6 months of not playing, his bronze to masters videos really helped me get a good feel for the game again. His build taught me good mechanics and clean execution are important. I now play Protoss, but many things from that video have carried over. GG filter.
On December 12 2013 10:32 Filter wrote: Thanks for the kind words from those that posted them.
It actually makes me pretty sad that the majority of people here don't consider me a member of the teamliquid community. That might be true for the past few months, but for a few years there I was here every day reading everything I possibly could here to get better and the news articles/post standard on teamliquid makes it an amazing forum to visit. I also have one of the top 3 most viewed sc2 strategy posts from the WoL days, that I didn't update for hots because well.. I just never finished my HoTS material. I didn't post a lot here because I didn't feel like I would add anything positive to many of the conversations going on, but I enjoyed reading them immensely. I consider teamliquid my home though and still enjoy the website/forums/community immensely whenever I visit.
I want to make the balance stuff perfectly clear. I feel like Blizzard is choosing to make Terran less rewarding to play at a high skill level, instead of making the other races more rewarding to play at a high level. I dont care about the winrates, I just want the game to be the best it can be. Please don't take it for a qq Terran up, because that's not the message.
Thanks for the support, thanks to everybody who linked my videos to their friends and foes. It's been a great ride, and I've had a lot of fun.
Edit: Just a quick edit, thanks for posting OP. The edits look really good, makes me wonder what it originally looked like based on the comments lol. Ignore the venom from people though, it doesn't matter and reading the good things people have said always brings a smile to my face. And to the guy who compared me to idra, I'll take it even in it's extremely negative context
I have a Terran friend who raved about your content and how much it helped him. You definitely contributed to the community. I hope you will find success in future endeavors.
On December 12 2013 00:12 Plansix wrote: Guy moves on from game he played casually(aka not for a living)for nearly 4 years. No longer makes videos, so game must be dying. Do we need these threads every time an unpaid community figures life becomes to busy for them to continue their work?
Why do you need to comment on a community figure you see as irrelevant? Do you just need to say something just for the sake of saying something? A classic quote from Plato about fools and wise men rings home here.. Anyway Filter pushed out content that helped a lot of low league players understand base mechanics and economy management and had a reasonably following. He contributed to the scene positively and I would rather keep one Filter rather than one tl forum agitator in the sc2 scene given the choice.
On December 15 2013 02:54 HeeroFX wrote: I really don't remember him. So it really is about as signficant as me quitting SC 2 but no one made a thread about it.
On December 15 2013 02:54 HeeroFX wrote: I really don't remember him. So it really is about as signficant as me quitting SC 2 but no one made a thread about it.
Is there a reason why nobody made a thread about you quitting sc2? I will leave you to ponder that question...
On December 12 2013 00:12 Plansix wrote: Guy moves on from game he played casually(aka not for a living)for nearly 4 years. No longer makes videos, so game must be dying. Do we need these threads every time an unpaid community figures life becomes to busy for them to continue their work?
Why do you need to comment on a community figure you see as irrelevant? Do you just need to say something just for the sake of saying something? A classic quote from Plato about fools and wise men rings home here.. Anyway Filter pushed out content that helped a lot of low league players understand base mechanics and economy management and had a reasonably following. He contributed to the scene positively and I would rather keep one Filter rather than one tl forum agitator in the sc2 scene given the choice.
I was responding to the OP(from when it was first posted), rather than Filter himself. I have said this several times. I always appreciated Filters work on youtube.
On December 15 2013 02:54 HeeroFX wrote: I really don't remember him. So it really is about as signficant as me quitting SC 2 but no one made a thread about it.
On December 12 2013 00:12 Plansix wrote: Guy moves on from game he played casually(aka not for a living)for nearly 4 years. No longer makes videos, so game must be dying. Do we need these threads every time an unpaid community figures life becomes to busy for them to continue their work?
Why do you need to comment on a community figure you see as irrelevant? Do you just need to say something just for the sake of saying something? A classic quote from Plato about fools and wise men rings home here.. Anyway Filter pushed out content that helped a lot of low league players understand base mechanics and economy management and had a reasonably following. He contributed to the scene positively and I would rather keep one Filter rather than one tl forum agitator in the sc2 scene given the choice.
I was responding to the OP(from when it was first posted), rather than Filter himself. I have said this several times. I always appreciated Filters work on youtube.
My apologies then. I thought you was just needlessly attacking Filter.
On December 12 2013 00:12 Plansix wrote: Guy moves on from game he played casually(aka not for a living)for nearly 4 years. No longer makes videos, so game must be dying. Do we need these threads every time an unpaid community figures life becomes to busy for them to continue their work?
Why do you need to comment on a community figure you see as irrelevant? Do you just need to say something just for the sake of saying something? A classic quote from Plato about fools and wise men rings home here.. Anyway Filter pushed out content that helped a lot of low league players understand base mechanics and economy management and had a reasonably following. He contributed to the scene positively and I would rather keep one Filter rather than one tl forum agitator in the sc2 scene given the choice.
I was responding to the OP(from when it was first posted), rather than Filter himself. I have said this several times. I always appreciated Filters work on youtube.
My apologies then. I thought you was just needlessly attacking Filter.
No he was just mad because he plays Protoss and Filter said toss is OP in the video.
On December 15 2013 02:54 HeeroFX wrote: I really don't remember him. So it really is about as signficant as me quitting SC 2 but no one made a thread about it.
On December 15 2013 02:54 HeeroFX wrote: I really don't remember him. So it really is about as signficant as me quitting SC 2 but no one made a thread about it.
One of the smartest thing I've ever read.
I can't tell if KBB is being sarcastic or not D:
It is really hard to tell. He is a mystery, wrapped in an enigma.
Sad to see him go to be honest. He made me enjoy the game that little bit more. Using his videos, they carried over to me switching to protoss, and did help A LOT of lower league players. So just because you're a high tier player, and didn't help you, don't say he didn't help anyone.
I remember finally giving in and watching a few of his videos, and I realized how powerful macro truly is. After a few weeks, I gave up on the game entirely after being cheesed one too many times and observing that even pro players can't stop it, which made me feel like the game had way too much of a luck element to be taken seriously.
I liked Filter though. He put out some great guides. Its not really *that* important that he left though, I think you may be exaggerating his importance to the scene. But I suppose its disappointing to people that used his videos a lot to elevate them from bronze to some higher league. If the master who taught you everything finds no joy in SC2 and says the game is broken, what should you as a student do . I would be a bit depressed if I followed him closely.
Its really not that surprising that he doesn't find the game exciting anymore. Its happening to a lot of pro-gamers, and I think its natural with any game if you play it long enough. Particularly SC2 though...I think the death-ball problems and the cheese can really wear you down after a while (if you aren't good enough to win the big prizes in tourneys, that is). That and the near-identical unit compositions used in every major battle, it can clearly become stale after a while.
Pretty big shame considering he's the only content producer that really focused on the bare basics of the game, which is the most important aspect of the game for anyone looking to be a strong player or an even stronger player.
I don't see how this deserves a thread. I guess he made some all-right videos sometime, but they really weren't teaching anything past common sense / basic stuff as far as I can recall. He quit the game, so did I, and many others, mainly because they don't enjoy the game. Many others play it because they do enjoy the game. Same deal with every game ever.
I don't see how this deserves a thread. I guess he made some all-right videos sometime, but they really weren't teaching anything past common sense / basic stuff as far as I can recall. He quit the game, so did I, and many others, mainly because they don't enjoy the game. Many others play it because they do enjoy the game. Same deal with every game ever.
Cool story bro, so why did you feel it necessary to comment that? If you don't care about him or what he does then don't comment.
I don't see how this deserves a thread. I guess he made some all-right videos sometime, but they really weren't teaching anything past common sense / basic stuff as far as I can recall. He quit the game, so did I, and many others, mainly because they don't enjoy the game. Many others play it because they do enjoy the game. Same deal with every game ever.
Nice way to put somebody else down for no reason whatsoever. I for one think Filter provided some pretty cool content, helped out lots of new players who just needed to learn some of the stuff that seems like 'basic stuff' to more advanced players (and lets face it, most of the guides out there are geared more towards advanced players), and definitely deserves to be told we're thankful for all he's done for us. If you've never heard of him and/or don't care he's leaving, just don't comment. It's no different than going into somebodies fan club imo.
That being said, thanks for creating a really cool guide for lots of Terran players out there Filter, I'm sorry this project didn't turn out how you wanted it but I hope you have better luck in your future endeavors.
On December 15 2013 02:54 HeeroFX wrote: I really don't remember him. So it really is about as signficant as me quitting SC 2 but no one made a thread about it.
I think the word for it is egocentrism?
egocentrism is thinking that just because no one cares about YOU in the community that no one should care about another person who is liked and respected and created relevant content that mattered to people. it would be a pretty cold and unfriendly world if we lived by that logic.
OP don't get caught up with all the haters, it's a nice tribute. Not sure why so many people are so critical of this thread.
I referenced his videos for macro when giving advice to lower-level players, and his guides were referenced pretty widely on reddit's help threads and such.
I remember thinking to myself several months ago, "I wonder what Filtersc has been up to lately? I haven't seen him around in quite a while..."
I just wanted to say, back in the WoL days I would hop onto TL after I'd get home from work, and go straight to the list of "non-featured" streamers to see if you were streaming.
I came from a console background with absolutely no pc gaming or rts experience before SC2, and I was having a very difficult time grasping the basics of the game, even though I so desperately wanted to improve. I had watched many other guides and tutorials, and was constantly searching for any information I could easily understand and apply as I tried to improve at the game - but alas, nothing I was able to find really had any impact on my improvement or motivation whatsoever.
Filter, I'm still not great at the game, but after discovering your content I was easily able to measure my progress and rapidly progress to the Diamond league.
It was always obvious to me that the content you produced was the direct result of not only the passion you had for this incredible game, but also the heart and soul you had poured into it - and this is something I think you deserve to be recognized and appreciated for.
If nothing else, I want you to know that the countless hours, time, and energy you put into helping others understand, love, and improve at SC2 was not a waste! I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors, and I also want you to know that you are somebody I will never forget whenever I think or talk about SC2, now and for as long down the road this game/the rts genre is part of my life...
Filtersc, thanks again for all you did to improve and strengthen this community. You were a soft-spoken and often under-appreciated hero. You will be dearly missed.
Your videos helped me go from silver to diamond in no time, and are one of the first things I would show to my friends when they started to play SC2. Good luck in the future!
Sorry to see you go, but I would also like to chat with you Filter to see if we can find a way to make this work and continue your great contributions to the Starcraft 2 community. You can reach me at Hoskin at TenTonHammer.com
Good luck whatever you decide, but I think we can make this work and allow you to continue your incredible contributions. It's obvious that you have been an incredibly positive force in this community and we need more of those. Let's chat and see if we can make it happen.
^ yeah, especially as his tutorials were really helpful. They helped me when I was terrible, and I even played him on ladder one time and he was really nice. Thanks to him for the content he provided and the efforts he made to help so many people in the threads related to his videos, and best of luck for the future!
Yeah I don't get why people are being rude to the guy... He made well thought out, purely mechanics based builds to demonstrate you can get out of the lower leagues through simply building more stuff. He's increased the skill bracket in the lower leagues quite a bit. Shame higher level players don't respect that. Good luck filter in whatever you do in the future.
Filter got me from bottom of bronze to low diamond at my highest (End of WoL). I can't blame him for leaving if his heart isn't in it anymore. For a group of us crap-tastic players you made the game fun and us better.
Thank you Filter for the work you put in.
Also, no Filter vids... no Apollo vids... noobs forever!!!
So sad... I loved his tutorials, especially the original WoL Bronze to Masters, and still recommend them to beginners. I'm still thankful that he allowed me to translate it to german and publish it on a german fansite (instarcraft.de).
Truly sad to see you go. Your videos are what inspired me to really sit down and start training one thing at a time to improve at the game. Thank you for everything you've done for us lower leaguers and for the community in general. Good luck with your future plans, and remember to not be so hard on yourself. We've all made mistakes, but it's what you do with them afterwards that determines whether they were mistakes or learning experiences. Remember whitera, for both sc2 and life: more gg, more skill.
On December 12 2013 00:10 Steelo_Rivers wrote: It's crazy because everyone that stops playing is stopping for the same reasons. I stopped playing for the same reasons as filter. I quit playing because it's just not fun. I know people rag on league a lot, but when you know what you're doing in that game you get rewarded. In sc2, it's as simple as picking protoss and learning 1 all in. Hell, we even have a high masters protoss player that plays with an Xbox 360 controller (you could never do that in broodwar and get past D+).
lol?
Everyone who stops playing does it because the game isn't fun for them DEAD GAME.
There aren't that many other reasons people would stop :')
I guarantee without your vids Filter I would have quit the game back in WoL. You helped me learn how to play RTS and enjoy the challenge of getting better. You took me from a mid bronze player to high plat in about 10 days after a friend recommended your videos to me.
I still remember that Christmas break I spent practicing the way you suggested. I really worked on it during the league lock period and finished in the top 10 gold players in the world that season, and was immediately promoted to plat the following season. That time was definitely the most fun period for me with this game.
I remember getting compliments from higher league players on my macro ability, and when asked how to do the same I would direct them to your Youtube page. I remember playing many Terran players who used the "Filter" build, and we would say "Ah the filter build" with a wink and a smile. Made many friends online just through that!
Now I recommend your videos to other beginners, even your WoL videos are still helpful.
I feel the same frustrations as you with cheese dominating gameplay right now. I hope that changes in the future, but I am still determined to improve my gameplay and keep learning. I hope if the game changes for the better you will come back and continue helping the countless noobs like me out there.
I've been following Starcraft for over ten years now, and until today I've never heard of you. I'm not saying that to put you down, for one I appreciate anyone that invests passion and time into starcraft/gaming/esports/the community, and also I completely get where you're coming from, especially when it comes to Blizzards "casual it up (down)" policy of the last several years and franchises. No, in fact I want to make the point that "the old starcraft people" you seem a little disappointed with just might not have ignored you, because I certainly didn't. Many of the old brood war brigade were either too good from the start to ever come in contact with your videos, or disillusioned and lost interest in the game (like you seem to have) pretty quick, so they weren't that involved with the community either. With the arrival of Sc2 the community changed drastically. Many old faces disappeared and team liquid went from small foreigner site to this huge exports conglomerate. So don't be too harsh on the brood war oldies (or yourself) I can tell you for a fact that we would have loved anyone doing that much for the community back in the old days.
I guess all I can give you is a sincere gl hf (also yay path of exile)
Really sorry to just find out about this. I left SC2 a couple of years ago after being horrible with Zerg, at highest reaching platinum due to some baneling bust streaks vs terran which got me easy wins. Now, 2 years later I rediscovered FilterSC's original Bronze to Masters series (didn't buy HotS yet), and I switched to terran. Only about 50 ladder games later, I just got placed in Diamond today after the season lock. I am so grateful for Filter for teaching people the correct way to learn, to improve, to analyze and to plan your games ahead. It brought a whole new perspective to players in lower leagues, especially since he plays and mentions every action he's taking, instead of analysing a replay as most casters, e.g. Day9, would do. The 1st person visual aspect really gave viewers more confidence in being able to copy what FilterSC did.
Awefully sorry to hear about it, Filter. I hope things will get better for you, and that you may find fun in games like Starcraft once again. I have learned a great deal, not only about this game, but about logic reasoning, planning, analyzing and focusing on 1 aspect at a time, working in layers, when it comes to projects and learning.
Best of luck to you, until we meet again on Youtube
If anyone has checked out his YT recently, he has begun posting again. Looks like his friendly tutorial skills are being directed to Gnomoria, a game awkwardly similar to Dwarf Fortress. I suggest checking it out. I'm probably going to buy the game on a steam sale after watching his first couple videos.
On April 14 2014 23:07 Fus wrote: I see myself as pretty involved in the sc2 community, and i often come to these threads to find out who these quitting people are
LOL i promise that i'll start a giant debate in your "quit thread".
seriously though, Filter's contributions will be missed. i'm sad to see the guy go.
Filter's tutorials were awesome. He seriously stopped me from only playing the campaign and got me to top silver. But such is the cycle of life... everything has a life cycle and I think we're seeing the end of SC's.
really sucks, his tutorial videos helped me get out of bronzie and get on the cusp of gold before I started a new job and had to stop playing. I plan to rewatch his video series now that I'm getting back into it.
I wish him luck in everything he does, and hope he will come back from time to time.
On April 14 2014 23:54 KelianQatar wrote: Filter's tutorials were awesome. He seriously stopped me from only playing the campaign and got me to top silver. But such is the cycle of life... everything has a life cycle and I think we're seeing the end of SC's.
gl hf wp
no we're not.
Filter did do great stuff for the new people though.
On April 14 2014 23:54 KelianQatar wrote: Filter's tutorials were awesome. He seriously stopped me from only playing the campaign and got me to top silver. But such is the cycle of life... everything has a life cycle and I think we're seeing the end of SC's.
gl hf wp
no we're not.
Filter did do great stuff for the new people though.
I think he meant "death" as in it's not attractive to try and get good at the game therefore the game stagnates in playerbase, which is definitely happening according to twitch. You guys that grew up with the hype around BroodWar and launch of SC2 will stick around sure, but SC ain't where to money is going. Have fun competing against like minded individuals.
On April 14 2014 23:54 KelianQatar wrote: Filter's tutorials were awesome. He seriously stopped me from only playing the campaign and got me to top silver. But such is the cycle of life... everything has a life cycle and I think we're seeing the end of SC's.
gl hf wp
no we're not.
Filter did do great stuff for the new people though.
I think he meant "death" as in it's not attractive to try and get good at the game therefore the game stagnates in playerbase, which is definitely happening according to twitch. You guys that grew up with the hype around BroodWar and launch of SC2 will stick around sure, but SC ain't where to money is going. Have fun competing against like minded individuals.
I don't know why it wouldn't be attractive to try and get good at the game. The game is still as difficult as it was at launch and the pro scene is better than ever in terms of skill level. Starcraft 2 is still pretty much the only kid on the block for people who like competitive RTS. Most progamers do not start out with the mindset "I want to become good at this game because I want to earn a lot of cash". Most of them play it because they discovered they could get really good at a game they have a blast playing.
On April 14 2014 23:54 KelianQatar wrote: Filter's tutorials were awesome. He seriously stopped me from only playing the campaign and got me to top silver. But such is the cycle of life... everything has a life cycle and I think we're seeing the end of SC's.
gl hf wp
no we're not.
Filter did do great stuff for the new people though.
I think he meant "death" as in it's not attractive to try and get good at the game therefore the game stagnates in playerbase, which is definitely happening according to twitch. You guys that grew up with the hype around BroodWar and launch of SC2 will stick around sure, but SC ain't where to money is going. Have fun competing against like minded individuals.
I don't know why it wouldn't be attractive to try and get good at the game. The game is still as difficult as it was at launch and the pro scene is better than ever in terms of skill level. Starcraft 2 is still pretty much the only kid on the block for people who like competitive RTS. Most progamers do not start out with the mindset "I want to become good at this game because I want to earn a lot of cash". Most of them play it because they discovered they could get really good at a game they have a blast playing.
I do agree with you, but I think you shouldn't underestimate the amount of people that dream of going pro some day, whether they are in bronze or gm, even if they don't ever seriously think about doing it - it might still be in the back of their head while they play and dive into the world of SC2. Conciously or subconciously it can invigorate their playing experience.
I'm yet another terran who FilterSC taught how to make 50 SCV's, medivacs, a shitload of marines and upgrades by 10 minutes back in WoL. I think his guides gave a good foundation to build on. Videos were brilliant for WoL (more so than hots) as you could basically follow the same 1 rax FE build for all three match-ups with very minor changes and constantly work on that macro.
I appreciated Filter's contributions, but his parting comments were a little overboard, bordering on hypocritical. You don't get to have big gaps in your content and then turn around and blame the scene. You're the scene, brother, and maybe a few more people would be playing if you hadn't flaked out.
Filter What Filter did in his videos instructed people how to improve your mechanics and understand the power of the macro game. He started with a mass marine BO, because it allow you to concentrate on building svc's, depot,and production. In his earlier vidieos, you did not build add ons, no gas, no mirco, no tanks, this let you pay attention to the basics. Latter on he expanded his vdeos to included theses things, but only after you hit his benchmarks ( 50 svc's @ 10 min and 100 plus supply). This gave you a solid base to expand your BO , made it possible to copy stronger BO,that would allow you to face better players.People that just did his mass marine build, did not listen to what Filter was saying,marco is just one part of the game, and his BO helped people improved in that. Good luck to you Filter, you have done more than most in bringing a basic understanding of the game.
On April 16 2014 03:08 Jerubaal wrote: I appreciated Filter's contributions, but his parting comments were a little overboard, bordering on hypocritical. You don't get to have big gaps in your content and then turn around and blame the scene. You're the scene, brother, and maybe a few more people would be playing if you hadn't flaked out.
The game itself needs to be good enough to retain players without community content doing the job instead. filter had a lot of passion for the game at some point, enough to get him to make the content that he did. But if the game wasn't good enough to hold onto someone like that, how is it going to retain the average player?
On April 16 2014 03:08 Jerubaal wrote: I appreciated Filter's contributions, but his parting comments were a little overboard, bordering on hypocritical. You don't get to have big gaps in your content and then turn around and blame the scene. You're the scene, brother, and maybe a few more people would be playing if you hadn't flaked out.
The game itself needs to be good enough to retain players without community content doing the job instead. filter had a lot of passion for the game at some point, enough to get him to make the content that he did. But if the game wasn't good enough to hold onto someone like that, how is it going to retain the average player?
So many things wrong with your post, but my main point is that it sounds hollow when you have major gaps in your content- and don't even bother to keep your followers informed- and then try to pass it off like it's the game's fault. Filter can do whatever the fuck he wants to do, but slinging dirt as he runs out the door was classless.
If he said, "sorry guys, I'm dealing with stuff and I'm just not interested anymore", it would be one thing. Instead he said "Sorry guys, Game sucks. Blizzard sucks. I'm out.".
You guys talk like it's just a given to everyone that SC2 is awful and dying and a waste of time. Don't you think that just might be hugely disrespectful to all the people that are still involved?
On April 16 2014 03:08 Jerubaal wrote: I appreciated Filter's contributions, but his parting comments were a little overboard, bordering on hypocritical. You don't get to have big gaps in your content and then turn around and blame the scene. You're the scene, brother, and maybe a few more people would be playing if you hadn't flaked out.
The game itself needs to be good enough to retain players without community content doing the job instead. filter had a lot of passion for the game at some point, enough to get him to make the content that he did. But if the game wasn't good enough to hold onto someone like that, how is it going to retain the average player?
So many things wrong with your post, but my main point is that it sounds hollow when you have major gaps in your content- and don't even bother to keep your followers informed- and then try to pass it off like it's the game's fault. Filter can do whatever the fuck he wants to do, but slinging dirt as he runs out the door was classless.
If he said, "sorry guys, I'm dealing with stuff and I'm just not interested anymore", it would be one thing. Instead he said "Sorry guys, Game sucks. Blizzard sucks. I'm out.".
You guys talk like it's just a given to everyone that SC2 is awful and dying and a waste of time. Don't you think that just might be hugely disrespectful to all the people that are still involved?
You must of not been around during wol release. Despite having many tournaments and pro league going on people said it was a dead game. Heres how the bw chums dealt with it, we soldiered on. If you really think that it isnt dead or bad then keep tuning in, but twitch numbers dont lie besides blizz too busy huffing their own shit and deciding what micro is and isnt exciting to watch...like swarm hosts or colossi.
On April 16 2014 03:08 Jerubaal wrote: I appreciated Filter's contributions, but his parting comments were a little overboard, bordering on hypocritical. You don't get to have big gaps in your content and then turn around and blame the scene. You're the scene, brother, and maybe a few more people would be playing if you hadn't flaked out.
The game itself needs to be good enough to retain players without community content doing the job instead. filter had a lot of passion for the game at some point, enough to get him to make the content that he did. But if the game wasn't good enough to hold onto someone like that, how is it going to retain the average player?
So many things wrong with your post, but my main point is that it sounds hollow when you have major gaps in your content- and don't even bother to keep your followers informed- and then try to pass it off like it's the game's fault. Filter can do whatever the fuck he wants to do, but slinging dirt as he runs out the door was classless.
If he said, "sorry guys, I'm dealing with stuff and I'm just not interested anymore", it would be one thing. Instead he said "Sorry guys, Game sucks. Blizzard sucks. I'm out.".
You guys talk like it's just a given to everyone that SC2 is awful and dying and a waste of time. Don't you think that just might be hugely disrespectful to all the people that are still involved?
You must of not been around during wol release. Despite having many tournaments and pro league going on people said it was a dead game. Heres how the bw chums dealt with it, we soldiered on. If you really think that it isnt dead or bad then keep tuning in, but twitch numbers dont lie besides blizz too busy huffing their own shit and deciding what micro is and isnt exciting to watch...like swarm hosts or colossi.
I'm confused about your post: You say this sort of stupidity happened at the release of WoL but now you're happy that it's happening again? I was here during WoL release. I mostly remember a lot of BW partisans who pretended to be live and let live whenever the subject of BW dying came up but did their best to shit on SC2 every chance they got (and got a lot of mod leeway while doing it).
The only metric SC2 is doing poorly in is in the dick measuring contest with LoL and Dota. So, again, are you live and let live or a partisan dick waver?
On April 16 2014 03:08 Jerubaal wrote: I appreciated Filter's contributions, but his parting comments were a little overboard, bordering on hypocritical. You don't get to have big gaps in your content and then turn around and blame the scene. You're the scene, brother, and maybe a few more people would be playing if you hadn't flaked out.
The game itself needs to be good enough to retain players without community content doing the job instead. filter had a lot of passion for the game at some point, enough to get him to make the content that he did. But if the game wasn't good enough to hold onto someone like that, how is it going to retain the average player?
So many things wrong with your post, but my main point is that it sounds hollow when you have major gaps in your content- and don't even bother to keep your followers informed- and then try to pass it off like it's the game's fault. Filter can do whatever the fuck he wants to do, but slinging dirt as he runs out the door was classless.
If he said, "sorry guys, I'm dealing with stuff and I'm just not interested anymore", it would be one thing. Instead he said "Sorry guys, Game sucks. Blizzard sucks. I'm out.".
You guys talk like it's just a given to everyone that SC2 is awful and dying and a waste of time. Don't you think that just might be hugely disrespectful to all the people that are still involved?
You must of not been around during wol release. Despite having many tournaments and pro league going on people said it was a dead game. Heres how the bw chums dealt with it, we soldiered on. If you really think that it isnt dead or bad then keep tuning in, but twitch numbers dont lie besides blizz too busy huffing their own shit and deciding what micro is and isnt exciting to watch...like swarm hosts or colossi.
If you're honestly going to go by "Twitch viewers" then Brood War is as dead as a fucking doornail.
The number of people playing the game is going up, numbers don't lie.
sry but if someone is leaving saying p needs no skill etc i am more pleased then sorry ... i personaly never ever heared of him but from what i know saw and heared i am happy i didnt ...
I see this thread is getting some attention again lately. Please use this thread only if you want to thank filter or want to wish him the best in the future. If you come here only to bash him, like the post above me, then keep it to yourself. Otherwise I see myself forced to ask a mod to look over it and clean it up or even close it. Keep it civil people.
bashing filter simply cause he made a little balance whine on a farewell video? such a nice community here, no wonder the playerbase is ever shrinking. he made helpful macro videos for aspiring players and you had random toss players bash him down, sad indeed.
On April 16 2014 03:08 Jerubaal wrote: I appreciated Filter's contributions, but his parting comments were a little overboard, bordering on hypocritical. You don't get to have big gaps in your content and then turn around and blame the scene. You're the scene, brother, and maybe a few more people would be playing if you hadn't flaked out.
The game itself needs to be good enough to retain players without community content doing the job instead. filter had a lot of passion for the game at some point, enough to get him to make the content that he did. But if the game wasn't good enough to hold onto someone like that, how is it going to retain the average player?
So many things wrong with your post, but my main point is that it sounds hollow when you have major gaps in your content- and don't even bother to keep your followers informed- and then try to pass it off like it's the game's fault. Filter can do whatever the fuck he wants to do, but slinging dirt as he runs out the door was classless.
If he said, "sorry guys, I'm dealing with stuff and I'm just not interested anymore", it would be one thing. Instead he said "Sorry guys, Game sucks. Blizzard sucks. I'm out.".
You guys talk like it's just a given to everyone that SC2 is awful and dying and a waste of time. Don't you think that just might be hugely disrespectful to all the people that are still involved?
You must of not been around during wol release. Despite having many tournaments and pro league going on people said it was a dead game. Heres how the bw chums dealt with it, we soldiered on. If you really think that it isnt dead or bad then keep tuning in, but twitch numbers dont lie besides blizz too busy huffing their own shit and deciding what micro is and isnt exciting to watch...like swarm hosts or colossi.
If you're honestly going to go by "Twitch viewers" then Brood War is as dead as a fucking doornail.
The number of people playing the game is going up, numbers don't lie.
Except that BW doesn't rely on Twitch.tv while SC2 does. BW relies primarily on Afreeca. While SC2's viewers on Twitch.tv is about 9k. BW streamers (Sea, Killer, Shuttle, Bisu, Pusan, Terror, Mong, PianO, etc.) usually streams together and whenever they do, each of them gets about 2k to 3k.
On April 16 2014 03:08 Jerubaal wrote: I appreciated Filter's contributions, but his parting comments were a little overboard, bordering on hypocritical. You don't get to have big gaps in your content and then turn around and blame the scene. You're the scene, brother, and maybe a few more people would be playing if you hadn't flaked out.
The game itself needs to be good enough to retain players without community content doing the job instead. filter had a lot of passion for the game at some point, enough to get him to make the content that he did. But if the game wasn't good enough to hold onto someone like that, how is it going to retain the average player?
So many things wrong with your post, but my main point is that it sounds hollow when you have major gaps in your content- and don't even bother to keep your followers informed- and then try to pass it off like it's the game's fault. Filter can do whatever the fuck he wants to do, but slinging dirt as he runs out the door was classless.
If he said, "sorry guys, I'm dealing with stuff and I'm just not interested anymore", it would be one thing. Instead he said "Sorry guys, Game sucks. Blizzard sucks. I'm out.".
You guys talk like it's just a given to everyone that SC2 is awful and dying and a waste of time. Don't you think that just might be hugely disrespectful to all the people that are still involved?
You must of not been around during wol release. Despite having many tournaments and pro league going on people said it was a dead game. Heres how the bw chums dealt with it, we soldiered on. If you really think that it isnt dead or bad then keep tuning in, but twitch numbers dont lie besides blizz too busy huffing their own shit and deciding what micro is and isnt exciting to watch...like swarm hosts or colossi.
I'm confused about your post: You say this sort of stupidity happened at the release of WoL but now you're happy that it's happening again? I was here during WoL release. I mostly remember a lot of BW partisans who pretended to be live and let live whenever the subject of BW dying came up but did their best to shit on SC2 every chance they got (and got a lot of mod leeway while doing it).
The only metric SC2 is doing poorly in is in the dick measuring contest with LoL and Dota. So, again, are you live and let live or a partisan dick waver?
Im a lol I don't have to defend a video game as relevant kinda guy. Ive been playing SWTOR the past few months and that supposedly is a "dead game" too yet probably has more active players then a game like starcraft at most points, if not the entire day. Getting players to play 1-5 games a season doesn't show numbers are "going up". It really is quite simple, also twitch is "THE" platform for SC2, it was one of the games that made twitch a house hold name among gamers. BTW, heres Snipealot2s total viewer count versus GSL: 4,761,986 vs 6,938,409 . And that is just 1 Snipealot channel, he has 4-5. Clearly BW wasn't as dead as you thought even on a platform that wasn't "made" on it's name. And as someone else said, look at Afreeca numbers if you want more accurate viewership numbers.
http://www.gametrics.com/ also according to this at least in PC Bangs, SC2 still has made next to no head way in player numbers. According to SC2Ranks which isn't even that accurate, only 84,449 of people have played at least 1 match in Season 2. I just don't see the player growth you're talking about. That is not even as many people that were at release. All this shit said you tried to create drama were there was none, if you enjoy SC2 tune in, if not w/e.
On April 16 2014 03:08 Jerubaal wrote: I appreciated Filter's contributions, but his parting comments were a little overboard, bordering on hypocritical. You don't get to have big gaps in your content and then turn around and blame the scene. You're the scene, brother, and maybe a few more people would be playing if you hadn't flaked out.
The game itself needs to be good enough to retain players without community content doing the job instead. filter had a lot of passion for the game at some point, enough to get him to make the content that he did. But if the game wasn't good enough to hold onto someone like that, how is it going to retain the average player?
So many things wrong with your post, but my main point is that it sounds hollow when you have major gaps in your content- and don't even bother to keep your followers informed- and then try to pass it off like it's the game's fault. Filter can do whatever the fuck he wants to do, but slinging dirt as he runs out the door was classless.
If he said, "sorry guys, I'm dealing with stuff and I'm just not interested anymore", it would be one thing. Instead he said "Sorry guys, Game sucks. Blizzard sucks. I'm out.".
You guys talk like it's just a given to everyone that SC2 is awful and dying and a waste of time. Don't you think that just might be hugely disrespectful to all the people that are still involved?
You must of not been around during wol release. Despite having many tournaments and pro league going on people said it was a dead game. Heres how the bw chums dealt with it, we soldiered on. If you really think that it isnt dead or bad then keep tuning in, but twitch numbers dont lie besides blizz too busy huffing their own shit and deciding what micro is and isnt exciting to watch...like swarm hosts or colossi.
If you're honestly going to go by "Twitch viewers" then Brood War is as dead as a fucking doornail.
The number of people playing the game is going up, numbers don't lie.
Except that BW doesn't rely on Twitch.tv while SC2 does. BW relies primarily on Afreeca. While SC2's viewers on Twitch.tv is about 9k. BW streamers (Sea, Killer, Shuttle, Bisu, Pusan, Terror, Mong, PianO, etc.) usually streams together and whenever they do, each of them gets about 2k to 3k.
Yeah... unfortunately they dont each get 2~3k viewers.. also this thread is dumb. Thought it was about some dude retiring and all people are doing is shitting on him for having a bit of attitude and then arguing about dumb stuff ~_~ should just close threads like this lol
On April 16 2014 14:37 JohnChoi wrote: Yeah... unfortunately they dont each get 2~3k viewers.. also this thread is dumb. Thought it was about some dude retiring and all people are doing is shitting on him for having a bit of attitude and then arguing about dumb stuff ~_~ should just close threads like this lol
Posters get irrational or passive aggressive when anyone makes a non P.C. comment about balance, whether they think the game is or isn't.
clearly this guy has done a lot and it's a shame to see him go but a lot of what he's said doesn't have much to back it up. I think Liquid'Mana said it best where he said that terran, whilst probably hardest to play, has the most potential. I think the "i want to feel like i was outplayed when i lose rather than i made a bunch of mistakes' in itself shows that you are outplayed when you lose. similar to poker you can account for a lot of things and eliminate the least likely stuff thats "incoming" and over time you probably come out ahead. I think the problem that people have with starcraft is that mistakes are brutal and unlike in mobas you don't get many second chances and you can't blame others to make you feel better (ling runbys for example). anyway good luck man.
people just get fed up of the game or maybe the fact that its just a game and people want more from it gets people so butthurt all the time. The fact filter brings up his personal life and day to day struggle which we all have shows exactly where a problem may lie even if we dont want to admit it. starcraft is a game, yes, its a game where being good matters in a community like this, there is no other like it in the gaming scene imo.
My advice to anyone thinking of giving up this game is, just play a couple of games a day. Select UNRANKED and just play man
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