EPTSuggestion for a Mech tvp Buff - Page 2
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JustPassingBy
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On December 03 2013 21:55 Green_25 wrote: Why not just give tanks some kind of upgrade which boosts damage versus protoss shields? because they already really strong vs every protoss unit expect the immortel, and then it would be totaly broken | ||
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Aikin
Austria532 Posts
The change itself seems quite interessting but I really doubt that they will implement something like that. It seems a little to unintuitive and also doesn´t make that much sense optically. Still sad that tanks perform so bad against toss :/ Really hard to play with them. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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GoOdy
Germany44 Posts
And thorzain won 1 map with mech vs hasuobs, but he even said in an interview that he was just caught off guard. So I would conclude that bio is much stronger than mech or we would see more player (and more Korean pros) use mech, but we see basically no mech play. And that the only advantage you have atm, because a lot of Toss players never play against it and have no practice vs mech, then if they do, they don't know how to play and use bad unit compositions, bad engagements etc | ||
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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
On December 03 2013 21:55 Green_25 wrote: Why not just give tanks some kind of upgrade which boosts damage versus protoss shields? Or even better one that buffs the damage (to make smaller amounts of tanks better at defending in the late game allowing the mech army to be more mobile) while also giving them the ability to ignore harden shields. | ||
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
This might sound like a stupid question. But I would love some serious replies. I love that this thread was made. Thanks to Goody. Love the discussion as well. There are a lot of stuff that could be changed. Many players would appreciate mech being used against protoss. I think it would make a bigger pool/plethora of different players. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
Also I thought balance suggestion threads had no place in TL, shouldn't this be posted in Bnet forums? | ||
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Sissors
1395 Posts
On December 03 2013 22:23 deacon.frost wrote: I can't believe what I see. Just out of curiosity - how am I supposed to kill a meching player without immortals? It would be nice to see this answer from goody himself, since he's suggesting this buff He doesn't want to remove immortals, he want to make them a bit less of an extreme hardcounter. And then you still got air, archons, superior mobility, etc. | ||
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
On December 03 2013 22:42 ffadicted wrote: Make ghosts tbh, this is a silly change imo Also I thought balance suggestion threads had no place in TL, shouldn't this be posted in Bnet forums? I don't see any problems discussing it though. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 03 2013 22:42 ffadicted wrote: Make ghosts tbh, this is a silly change imo Also I thought balance suggestion threads had no place in TL, shouldn't this be posted in Bnet forums? But Ghosts are not really in the Mech tech tree and it's hard to find a place for them no ? (honest question) | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On December 03 2013 22:23 deacon.frost wrote: I can't believe what I see. Just out of curiosity - how am I supposed to kill a meching player without immortals? It would be nice to see this answer from goody himself, since he's suggesting this buff Yeah..tanks destroy every ground unit that protoss have except immortals and archons. Problem with archon is that they never ever kill tank, they dont do damage. Immortal is the only unit. How to counter these both? Do ghosts. How to counter tempest? Do ravens. After this the only way to stop mech is if terran player do mistake like unsiege all or most of tanks. So most important point is to slow terran. Keep him in his base. Harrash. Dont let him take those additional vespenes. And no, this would be bad change. | ||
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Knee_of_Justice
United States388 Posts
Maybe it would allow tanks to "soft counter" immortals but only if they are unsieged, especially if combined with the rotating turret and the 7 range it has, allowing it to kite immortals without taking damage. So having tanks in tank mode would be better against immortals whereas having them in siege mode would not. I've also thought that blizzard hasn't made enough use of this split attack mechanic, which has some interesting potential, especially for harass units. I kind of wish the oracle was more like this instead of pulsar beam being an activated ability, it might have been an instantaneous cluster of 5 attacks, each doing 5 damage. That would be fine against workers still and units with little armor, but your opponent could react by building heavier units or upgrading armor to counter them. For example, an SCV with +1 would survive being 2-shotted. Maybe a drone would survive with 1 hp if its health regenerated in the attack interval. Probes would have to shell out for +2 armor though, but stalkers at base +1 would be an even stronger counter. Also, +1 base armored buildings would be a bit more resistant, not that that's a big issue. The only units that currently have this mechanic taken to a more extreme level are the carrier ((5*2)8) and BC (8*8). | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
It would probably be okay if the Immortal would be the only problem. But I don't even want to calculate the reduce on Zealot and Archons under Guardian shield. The good stuff against Immortals are either Spells or Fast attacks. Sadly nothing has fast attacks from the Factory. But air units do, the Banshee is perfect for peeling of Immortal shields since the combined upgrades. The Viking would be the perfect Immortal shield killer if the Immortal would still have range 5 and the Ground Mode of the Viking wouldn't be armored. For the Tanks I just wish they would also do their 50 damage to everything not light. So Queens and Archons could stop laughing. Or a special shot researched at Fusion Core that is so expensive that it costs Minerals. | ||
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VieuxSinge
France231 Posts
On December 03 2013 22:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Yeah..tanks destroy every ground unit that protoss have except immortals and archons. Problem with archon is that they never ever kill tank, they dont do damage. Immortal is the only unit. How to counter these both? Do ghosts. How to counter tempest? Do ravens. After this the only way to stop mech is if terran player do mistake like unsiege all or most of tanks. So most important point is to slow terran. Keep him in his base. Harrash. Dont let him take those additional vespenes. And no, this would be bad change. Tank-based mech is supposed to *not* die in a frontal assault. Right now protoss can still go air to counter mech, but ground works as well, even when siege tanks are sieged (thanks to immortals) so why bother? I think this change is good idea, the immortal becomes less of a hard-counter to tanks, yet protoss still has some good other options like abusing mobility through warp prisms or air with void/tempest and all of these options really are a pain for a mech player | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3482 Posts
I'm not sure it's needed though, people will figure out how to abuse the combined upgrades sometime. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 03 2013 22:42 ffadicted wrote: Make ghosts tbh, this is a silly change imo Also I thought balance suggestion threads had no place in TL, shouldn't this be posted in Bnet forums? Balance suggestions are almost always closed, with exception to notable community members and/or progamers who aren't just whining about things. This falls under the latter category. | ||
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
I think a less severe change, would be to make hardened shield remove 20 shield vs siege tank shots (Hallucinated 40 shield.) I'm not sure it's needed though, people will figure out how to abuse the combined upgrades sometime. David kim doesn't like Exploitation of his game so as soon as someone finds a way to "abuse" combined ups will be the day its nerfed..... | ||
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pmp10
3389 Posts
It's just not happening. 10% tank buff is about as much as they are willing to consider. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 03 2013 22:19 Drake wrote: because they already really strong vs every protoss unit expect the immortel, and then it would be totaly broken Huh? Chargelots demolish tanks if controlled properly, colossus with lance can kite them easily. Void rays take them out in seconds. Tanks are very shaky against protoss overall. | ||
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