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On January 01 2014 15:37 noskk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 15:32 Shival wrote:On January 01 2014 14:37 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On January 01 2014 13:31 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:On January 01 2014 13:29 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On December 31 2013 19:52 DaftFunk wrote:
SPOILERS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
everyone here is right about the betrayal of Eunkyul. I felt the same way and had the same though process of Jinho. You just dont do that.. i dont feel bad for him necessarily but its really disgusting to see them basically give him away little by little as if his contribution did nothing for them. if they didnt want his deal, they shouldnt have LET HIM CHEAT FOR THEM or NOT AGREE TO HIS PLANS!!!!
but what bugs me more.... are these stupid "Deathmatches", where its now become more of a popularity contest. I wholeheartedly believe the producers pull out the "SUN MOON STAR" game whenever a popular contestant goes to the deathmatch.
**** If you guys didnt know this before, but noh hongchul and jiwon are both really famous in korean television. i know people in this thread only see him as the guy in the gangnam style music video, but he is actually on... lets say ryan seacrests level of fame in korea in terms of exposure. so while 80% of these other contestants here are really nobodies, hes actually a huge star of the show. so its not a coincedence as to why you guys like him so much... he also DOES have great charisma and personality.
ji won is also really popular and could be the second most famous person on the show right now. hes been in so many tv shows already with other famous people in korea and is really funny (he plays that "im kind of slow" character a lot). side note hes related to the last korean president which could also be why hes so rich...
so while someo f you might not have seen them before this season, but i was geniunely surprised they managed to get 2 of these stars onto the show. that also really explains why i believe the producers (and by now you should realize they always choose which deathmatch game gets to be played at the END of the episode, not preset) choose the sun moon star game. it has no luck. theres VERY LITTLE SKILL involved, which is only the bluffing aspect. but that will not affect the outcome so much as to help you win. the OTHER PLAYERS practically choose who they want to have stay. OBVIOUSLY the majority of people will help jiwon, not only because eunkyul backstabbed his team, but because jiwon has MORE FRIENDS, MORE POPULAR, (not to mention, would you look at how that lawyer ALWAYS goes to the side with the first deathmatch contestant to make sure she doesnt get picked???? even when she gets picked for DM, she does her puppy eyes and tries to gains everyone support. reminds me on kyungran from season 1 all the time..) and bottom line he is MORE FAMOUS than the magician. and trust me.. koreans feel the same way about illusionists in korea the same way we do here in the us with MINDFREAK CHRIS ANGEL or DAVID ZOMGMAGIC COPPERFIELD.. its kind of corny.
bottom line the deathmatches seem to be brought out whenever a star of the show is in jeopardy. and theres nothing genius about it at all. in fact it ruins the future episodes as now as someone pointed out there is going to be a more tightly knit team of those same group of people and kind of destroys the fun. too bad it probably wont beused as a deathmatch anymore because its getting into the mid stages of the season and they cant keep pulling it off. yes im bitter. not because i liked the magician (like i said, i think theyre corny), but they AGREED to his proposition when they followed his plans, and they all except yellow and junghyun intentionally gave him away when jiwon had to choose his opponent.
beyond that, yellow looks to be in strong contention to win again. its shocking to see how much of a joke boxer is. i wont sugar coat it, sorry guys. but boxer plain isnt the genius we expected him to be. What does corny means? Is it something positive or negative? Corny kinda means like. Cheesy. It's typically seen as negative, but it can be somewhat positive in certain stances. I am kind of baffled. I feel corny is negative too, but I saw David Copperfield name. I thought people will use positive thing to describe David Copperfield. Bah actually, + Show Spoiler +As much as I dislike Eunkyul doing so random, or high level stuff (to eliminate Jiwon in this episode).
But Yooyoung giving him away to Yoonsun, & reasoning shouldn't help Eunkyul to the end because his help is not deciding.
I just feel, Yooyoung wan Eunkyul to be eliminated because she finds him two timing very bad/irritating. And forgot his contribution. I just feel Yooyoung downplay Eunkyul contribution to justify her motive.
It is forget the kindness & repay with evil. + Show Spoiler +Hanlon's razor... I'm pretty sure she never initially intended to give Eunkyul away to Yoonsun, it's a silly mistake, hence her facial reaction after Yoonsun pointed the mistake out. (Remember, I did call her a silly, maybe blooper is better, genius earlier). Though, given that, she definately didn't seem to handle it properly afterward, as Yellow pointed out aswell.
Guess Eunkyul put her off too much when Eunkyul explained his reasonings for betraying his team, and in the manner he did so. I take it I'm not the only one waiting for a 'genius' moment like Yellow had during 'Open, Pass' (s1e07)? Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoy the show, but it's more due to being quite funny, instead of 'true genius' moments. + Show Spoiler +Yoo young seemed to think that Eunkyul betrayal was not very decisive, since she's in charge of the defender (and killed 2 people by intuition) after the politician killed 3 people (including Eunkyul), and actually Eunkyul had the most garnets among the losing team, so there's justification to select him anyway
+ Show Spoiler +Regardless of whether his betrayal was very decisive, which I'm a bit on the fence about, shouldn't she/they respect the original deal made? He held true to the bargain struck, though they, in a way, did aswell by selecting Jiwon. The betrayal afterwards during the deathmatch, well, not so nice by Hongchul I guess.
On January 01 2014 15:43 Kheve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Thats wrong. She intentionally gave away eunkyul, along with doohee when jiwon was confirmed to be the candidate. So obvious it was media personality alliance acting just like season1. I read in isubs forum korean netizens are making a furore over episode 4. Also that the PD of genius tweeted something about episode 4 to justify or something. Watever it is, I hope the later episode games really get better. If only boxer speaks more and be funnier....
+ Show Spoiler +It's not wrong, I'm talking about earlier, at 47:30 and onwards. That was the initial mistake, which she tries to smooth over an instant later. Afterwards she might've been ticked off at Eunkyul's explanation, which in turn explains (although not justifies, I guess) why she explicitly tells Yoonsun later, even though Yoonsun was quite sure already.
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On January 01 2014 15:51 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 15:37 noskk wrote:On January 01 2014 15:32 Shival wrote:On January 01 2014 14:37 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On January 01 2014 13:31 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:On January 01 2014 13:29 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On December 31 2013 19:52 DaftFunk wrote:
SPOILERS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
everyone here is right about the betrayal of Eunkyul. I felt the same way and had the same though process of Jinho. You just dont do that.. i dont feel bad for him necessarily but its really disgusting to see them basically give him away little by little as if his contribution did nothing for them. if they didnt want his deal, they shouldnt have LET HIM CHEAT FOR THEM or NOT AGREE TO HIS PLANS!!!!
but what bugs me more.... are these stupid "Deathmatches", where its now become more of a popularity contest. I wholeheartedly believe the producers pull out the "SUN MOON STAR" game whenever a popular contestant goes to the deathmatch.
**** If you guys didnt know this before, but noh hongchul and jiwon are both really famous in korean television. i know people in this thread only see him as the guy in the gangnam style music video, but he is actually on... lets say ryan seacrests level of fame in korea in terms of exposure. so while 80% of these other contestants here are really nobodies, hes actually a huge star of the show. so its not a coincedence as to why you guys like him so much... he also DOES have great charisma and personality.
ji won is also really popular and could be the second most famous person on the show right now. hes been in so many tv shows already with other famous people in korea and is really funny (he plays that "im kind of slow" character a lot). side note hes related to the last korean president which could also be why hes so rich...
so while someo f you might not have seen them before this season, but i was geniunely surprised they managed to get 2 of these stars onto the show. that also really explains why i believe the producers (and by now you should realize they always choose which deathmatch game gets to be played at the END of the episode, not preset) choose the sun moon star game. it has no luck. theres VERY LITTLE SKILL involved, which is only the bluffing aspect. but that will not affect the outcome so much as to help you win. the OTHER PLAYERS practically choose who they want to have stay. OBVIOUSLY the majority of people will help jiwon, not only because eunkyul backstabbed his team, but because jiwon has MORE FRIENDS, MORE POPULAR, (not to mention, would you look at how that lawyer ALWAYS goes to the side with the first deathmatch contestant to make sure she doesnt get picked???? even when she gets picked for DM, she does her puppy eyes and tries to gains everyone support. reminds me on kyungran from season 1 all the time..) and bottom line he is MORE FAMOUS than the magician. and trust me.. koreans feel the same way about illusionists in korea the same way we do here in the us with MINDFREAK CHRIS ANGEL or DAVID ZOMGMAGIC COPPERFIELD.. its kind of corny.
bottom line the deathmatches seem to be brought out whenever a star of the show is in jeopardy. and theres nothing genius about it at all. in fact it ruins the future episodes as now as someone pointed out there is going to be a more tightly knit team of those same group of people and kind of destroys the fun. too bad it probably wont beused as a deathmatch anymore because its getting into the mid stages of the season and they cant keep pulling it off. yes im bitter. not because i liked the magician (like i said, i think theyre corny), but they AGREED to his proposition when they followed his plans, and they all except yellow and junghyun intentionally gave him away when jiwon had to choose his opponent.
beyond that, yellow looks to be in strong contention to win again. its shocking to see how much of a joke boxer is. i wont sugar coat it, sorry guys. but boxer plain isnt the genius we expected him to be. What does corny means? Is it something positive or negative? Corny kinda means like. Cheesy. It's typically seen as negative, but it can be somewhat positive in certain stances. I am kind of baffled. I feel corny is negative too, but I saw David Copperfield name. I thought people will use positive thing to describe David Copperfield. Bah actually, + Show Spoiler +As much as I dislike Eunkyul doing so random, or high level stuff (to eliminate Jiwon in this episode).
But Yooyoung giving him away to Yoonsun, & reasoning shouldn't help Eunkyul to the end because his help is not deciding.
I just feel, Yooyoung wan Eunkyul to be eliminated because she finds him two timing very bad/irritating. And forgot his contribution. I just feel Yooyoung downplay Eunkyul contribution to justify her motive.
It is forget the kindness & repay with evil. + Show Spoiler +Hanlon's razor... I'm pretty sure she never initially intended to give Eunkyul away to Yoonsun, it's a silly mistake, hence her facial reaction after Yoonsun pointed the mistake out. (Remember, I did call her a silly, maybe blooper is better, genius earlier). Though, given that, she definately didn't seem to handle it properly afterward, as Yellow pointed out aswell.
Guess Eunkyul put her off too much when Eunkyul explained his reasonings for betraying his team, and in the manner he did so. I take it I'm not the only one waiting for a 'genius' moment like Yellow had during 'Open, Pass' (s1e07)? Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoy the show, but it's more due to being quite funny, instead of 'true genius' moments. + Show Spoiler +Yoo young seemed to think that Eunkyul betrayal was not very decisive, since she's in charge of the defender (and killed 2 people by intuition) after the politician killed 3 people (including Eunkyul), and actually Eunkyul had the most garnets among the losing team, so there's justification to select him anyway + Show Spoiler +Regardless of whether his betrayal was very decisive, which I'm a bit on the fence about, shouldn't she/they respect the original deal made? He held true to the bargain struck, though they, in a way, did aswell by selecting Jiwon. The betrayal afterwards during the deathmatch, well, not so nice by Hongchul I guess.
+ Show Spoiler +Not really nice of Hongchul perhaps. But it's silly to expect help from Hongchul when Eunkyul had made it explicit that he also wants Hongchul out of the game and that he pretty much wants to target the broadcasters one by one which he began with focusing on Jiwon.
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On January 01 2014 16:01 consultingcriminal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 15:51 Shival wrote:On January 01 2014 15:37 noskk wrote:On January 01 2014 15:32 Shival wrote:On January 01 2014 14:37 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On January 01 2014 13:31 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:On January 01 2014 13:29 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On December 31 2013 19:52 DaftFunk wrote:
SPOILERS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
everyone here is right about the betrayal of Eunkyul. I felt the same way and had the same though process of Jinho. You just dont do that.. i dont feel bad for him necessarily but its really disgusting to see them basically give him away little by little as if his contribution did nothing for them. if they didnt want his deal, they shouldnt have LET HIM CHEAT FOR THEM or NOT AGREE TO HIS PLANS!!!!
but what bugs me more.... are these stupid "Deathmatches", where its now become more of a popularity contest. I wholeheartedly believe the producers pull out the "SUN MOON STAR" game whenever a popular contestant goes to the deathmatch.
**** If you guys didnt know this before, but noh hongchul and jiwon are both really famous in korean television. i know people in this thread only see him as the guy in the gangnam style music video, but he is actually on... lets say ryan seacrests level of fame in korea in terms of exposure. so while 80% of these other contestants here are really nobodies, hes actually a huge star of the show. so its not a coincedence as to why you guys like him so much... he also DOES have great charisma and personality.
ji won is also really popular and could be the second most famous person on the show right now. hes been in so many tv shows already with other famous people in korea and is really funny (he plays that "im kind of slow" character a lot). side note hes related to the last korean president which could also be why hes so rich...
so while someo f you might not have seen them before this season, but i was geniunely surprised they managed to get 2 of these stars onto the show. that also really explains why i believe the producers (and by now you should realize they always choose which deathmatch game gets to be played at the END of the episode, not preset) choose the sun moon star game. it has no luck. theres VERY LITTLE SKILL involved, which is only the bluffing aspect. but that will not affect the outcome so much as to help you win. the OTHER PLAYERS practically choose who they want to have stay. OBVIOUSLY the majority of people will help jiwon, not only because eunkyul backstabbed his team, but because jiwon has MORE FRIENDS, MORE POPULAR, (not to mention, would you look at how that lawyer ALWAYS goes to the side with the first deathmatch contestant to make sure she doesnt get picked???? even when she gets picked for DM, she does her puppy eyes and tries to gains everyone support. reminds me on kyungran from season 1 all the time..) and bottom line he is MORE FAMOUS than the magician. and trust me.. koreans feel the same way about illusionists in korea the same way we do here in the us with MINDFREAK CHRIS ANGEL or DAVID ZOMGMAGIC COPPERFIELD.. its kind of corny.
bottom line the deathmatches seem to be brought out whenever a star of the show is in jeopardy. and theres nothing genius about it at all. in fact it ruins the future episodes as now as someone pointed out there is going to be a more tightly knit team of those same group of people and kind of destroys the fun. too bad it probably wont beused as a deathmatch anymore because its getting into the mid stages of the season and they cant keep pulling it off. yes im bitter. not because i liked the magician (like i said, i think theyre corny), but they AGREED to his proposition when they followed his plans, and they all except yellow and junghyun intentionally gave him away when jiwon had to choose his opponent.
beyond that, yellow looks to be in strong contention to win again. its shocking to see how much of a joke boxer is. i wont sugar coat it, sorry guys. but boxer plain isnt the genius we expected him to be. What does corny means? Is it something positive or negative? Corny kinda means like. Cheesy. It's typically seen as negative, but it can be somewhat positive in certain stances. I am kind of baffled. I feel corny is negative too, but I saw David Copperfield name. I thought people will use positive thing to describe David Copperfield. Bah actually, + Show Spoiler +As much as I dislike Eunkyul doing so random, or high level stuff (to eliminate Jiwon in this episode).
But Yooyoung giving him away to Yoonsun, & reasoning shouldn't help Eunkyul to the end because his help is not deciding.
I just feel, Yooyoung wan Eunkyul to be eliminated because she finds him two timing very bad/irritating. And forgot his contribution. I just feel Yooyoung downplay Eunkyul contribution to justify her motive.
It is forget the kindness & repay with evil. + Show Spoiler +Hanlon's razor... I'm pretty sure she never initially intended to give Eunkyul away to Yoonsun, it's a silly mistake, hence her facial reaction after Yoonsun pointed the mistake out. (Remember, I did call her a silly, maybe blooper is better, genius earlier). Though, given that, she definately didn't seem to handle it properly afterward, as Yellow pointed out aswell.
Guess Eunkyul put her off too much when Eunkyul explained his reasonings for betraying his team, and in the manner he did so. I take it I'm not the only one waiting for a 'genius' moment like Yellow had during 'Open, Pass' (s1e07)? Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoy the show, but it's more due to being quite funny, instead of 'true genius' moments. + Show Spoiler +Yoo young seemed to think that Eunkyul betrayal was not very decisive, since she's in charge of the defender (and killed 2 people by intuition) after the politician killed 3 people (including Eunkyul), and actually Eunkyul had the most garnets among the losing team, so there's justification to select him anyway + Show Spoiler +Regardless of whether his betrayal was very decisive, which I'm a bit on the fence about, shouldn't she/they respect the original deal made? He held true to the bargain struck, though they, in a way, did aswell by selecting Jiwon. The betrayal afterwards during the deathmatch, well, not so nice by Hongchul I guess. + Show Spoiler +Not really nice of Hongchul perhaps. But it's silly to expect help from Hongchul when Eunkyul had made it explicit that he also wants Hongchul out of the game and that he pretty much wants to target the broadcasters one by one which he began with focusing on Jiwon.
+ Show Spoiler +Oh, definately! Eunkyul made a huge misstep by explaining his reasonings to the fullest extent. In Hongchul's shoes I would've done the same thing, or, simply not telling Eunkyul anything at all.
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Perfect timing, just saw this quote on tumblr from an Anonymous.
“The saddest thing about betrayal is that it never comes from your enemies.”
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On January 01 2014 15:32 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 14:37 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On January 01 2014 13:31 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:On January 01 2014 13:29 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On December 31 2013 19:52 DaftFunk wrote:
SPOILERS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
everyone here is right about the betrayal of Eunkyul. I felt the same way and had the same though process of Jinho. You just dont do that.. i dont feel bad for him necessarily but its really disgusting to see them basically give him away little by little as if his contribution did nothing for them. if they didnt want his deal, they shouldnt have LET HIM CHEAT FOR THEM or NOT AGREE TO HIS PLANS!!!!
but what bugs me more.... are these stupid "Deathmatches", where its now become more of a popularity contest. I wholeheartedly believe the producers pull out the "SUN MOON STAR" game whenever a popular contestant goes to the deathmatch.
**** If you guys didnt know this before, but noh hongchul and jiwon are both really famous in korean television. i know people in this thread only see him as the guy in the gangnam style music video, but he is actually on... lets say ryan seacrests level of fame in korea in terms of exposure. so while 80% of these other contestants here are really nobodies, hes actually a huge star of the show. so its not a coincedence as to why you guys like him so much... he also DOES have great charisma and personality.
ji won is also really popular and could be the second most famous person on the show right now. hes been in so many tv shows already with other famous people in korea and is really funny (he plays that "im kind of slow" character a lot). side note hes related to the last korean president which could also be why hes so rich...
so while someo f you might not have seen them before this season, but i was geniunely surprised they managed to get 2 of these stars onto the show. that also really explains why i believe the producers (and by now you should realize they always choose which deathmatch game gets to be played at the END of the episode, not preset) choose the sun moon star game. it has no luck. theres VERY LITTLE SKILL involved, which is only the bluffing aspect. but that will not affect the outcome so much as to help you win. the OTHER PLAYERS practically choose who they want to have stay. OBVIOUSLY the majority of people will help jiwon, not only because eunkyul backstabbed his team, but because jiwon has MORE FRIENDS, MORE POPULAR, (not to mention, would you look at how that lawyer ALWAYS goes to the side with the first deathmatch contestant to make sure she doesnt get picked???? even when she gets picked for DM, she does her puppy eyes and tries to gains everyone support. reminds me on kyungran from season 1 all the time..) and bottom line he is MORE FAMOUS than the magician. and trust me.. koreans feel the same way about illusionists in korea the same way we do here in the us with MINDFREAK CHRIS ANGEL or DAVID ZOMGMAGIC COPPERFIELD.. its kind of corny.
bottom line the deathmatches seem to be brought out whenever a star of the show is in jeopardy. and theres nothing genius about it at all. in fact it ruins the future episodes as now as someone pointed out there is going to be a more tightly knit team of those same group of people and kind of destroys the fun. too bad it probably wont beused as a deathmatch anymore because its getting into the mid stages of the season and they cant keep pulling it off. yes im bitter. not because i liked the magician (like i said, i think theyre corny), but they AGREED to his proposition when they followed his plans, and they all except yellow and junghyun intentionally gave him away when jiwon had to choose his opponent.
beyond that, yellow looks to be in strong contention to win again. its shocking to see how much of a joke boxer is. i wont sugar coat it, sorry guys. but boxer plain isnt the genius we expected him to be. What does corny means? Is it something positive or negative? Corny kinda means like. Cheesy. It's typically seen as negative, but it can be somewhat positive in certain stances. I am kind of baffled. I feel corny is negative too, but I saw David Copperfield name. I thought people will use positive thing to describe David Copperfield. Bah actually, + Show Spoiler +As much as I dislike Eunkyul doing so random, or high level stuff (to eliminate Jiwon in this episode).
But Yooyoung giving him away to Yoonsun, & reasoning shouldn't help Eunkyul to the end because his help is not deciding.
I just feel, Yooyoung wan Eunkyul to be eliminated because she finds him two timing very bad/irritating. And forgot his contribution. I just feel Yooyoung downplay Eunkyul contribution to justify her motive.
It is forget the kindness & repay with evil. + Show Spoiler +Hanlon's razor... I'm pretty sure she never initially intended to give Eunkyul away to Yoonsun, it's a silly mistake, hence her facial reaction after Yoonsun pointed the mistake out. (Remember, I did call her a silly, maybe blooper is better, genius earlier). Though, given that, she definately didn't seem to handle it properly afterward, as Yellow pointed out aswell.
Guess Eunkyul put her off too much when Eunkyul explained his reasonings for betraying his team, and in the manner he did so. I take it I'm not the only one waiting for a 'genius' moment like Yellow had during 'Open, Pass' (s1e07)? Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoy the show, but it's more due to being quite funny, instead of 'true genius' moments.
But that is how I relay my message across when I am in mid school. I wan to let sum1 noe she is not invited. I do the same thing as Yooyoung. And she found out and got angry, I got scared.
YooYoung expression just remind me of the exact expression I made.
Sometimes, I still use subtle ways, to get my message across. U noe , in work place where there is similar politics.
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On January 01 2014 16:25 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 15:32 Shival wrote:On January 01 2014 14:37 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On January 01 2014 13:31 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:On January 01 2014 13:29 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On December 31 2013 19:52 DaftFunk wrote:
SPOILERS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
everyone here is right about the betrayal of Eunkyul. I felt the same way and had the same though process of Jinho. You just dont do that.. i dont feel bad for him necessarily but its really disgusting to see them basically give him away little by little as if his contribution did nothing for them. if they didnt want his deal, they shouldnt have LET HIM CHEAT FOR THEM or NOT AGREE TO HIS PLANS!!!!
but what bugs me more.... are these stupid "Deathmatches", where its now become more of a popularity contest. I wholeheartedly believe the producers pull out the "SUN MOON STAR" game whenever a popular contestant goes to the deathmatch.
**** If you guys didnt know this before, but noh hongchul and jiwon are both really famous in korean television. i know people in this thread only see him as the guy in the gangnam style music video, but he is actually on... lets say ryan seacrests level of fame in korea in terms of exposure. so while 80% of these other contestants here are really nobodies, hes actually a huge star of the show. so its not a coincedence as to why you guys like him so much... he also DOES have great charisma and personality.
ji won is also really popular and could be the second most famous person on the show right now. hes been in so many tv shows already with other famous people in korea and is really funny (he plays that "im kind of slow" character a lot). side note hes related to the last korean president which could also be why hes so rich...
so while someo f you might not have seen them before this season, but i was geniunely surprised they managed to get 2 of these stars onto the show. that also really explains why i believe the producers (and by now you should realize they always choose which deathmatch game gets to be played at the END of the episode, not preset) choose the sun moon star game. it has no luck. theres VERY LITTLE SKILL involved, which is only the bluffing aspect. but that will not affect the outcome so much as to help you win. the OTHER PLAYERS practically choose who they want to have stay. OBVIOUSLY the majority of people will help jiwon, not only because eunkyul backstabbed his team, but because jiwon has MORE FRIENDS, MORE POPULAR, (not to mention, would you look at how that lawyer ALWAYS goes to the side with the first deathmatch contestant to make sure she doesnt get picked???? even when she gets picked for DM, she does her puppy eyes and tries to gains everyone support. reminds me on kyungran from season 1 all the time..) and bottom line he is MORE FAMOUS than the magician. and trust me.. koreans feel the same way about illusionists in korea the same way we do here in the us with MINDFREAK CHRIS ANGEL or DAVID ZOMGMAGIC COPPERFIELD.. its kind of corny.
bottom line the deathmatches seem to be brought out whenever a star of the show is in jeopardy. and theres nothing genius about it at all. in fact it ruins the future episodes as now as someone pointed out there is going to be a more tightly knit team of those same group of people and kind of destroys the fun. too bad it probably wont beused as a deathmatch anymore because its getting into the mid stages of the season and they cant keep pulling it off. yes im bitter. not because i liked the magician (like i said, i think theyre corny), but they AGREED to his proposition when they followed his plans, and they all except yellow and junghyun intentionally gave him away when jiwon had to choose his opponent.
beyond that, yellow looks to be in strong contention to win again. its shocking to see how much of a joke boxer is. i wont sugar coat it, sorry guys. but boxer plain isnt the genius we expected him to be. What does corny means? Is it something positive or negative? Corny kinda means like. Cheesy. It's typically seen as negative, but it can be somewhat positive in certain stances. I am kind of baffled. I feel corny is negative too, but I saw David Copperfield name. I thought people will use positive thing to describe David Copperfield. Bah actually, + Show Spoiler +As much as I dislike Eunkyul doing so random, or high level stuff (to eliminate Jiwon in this episode).
But Yooyoung giving him away to Yoonsun, & reasoning shouldn't help Eunkyul to the end because his help is not deciding.
I just feel, Yooyoung wan Eunkyul to be eliminated because she finds him two timing very bad/irritating. And forgot his contribution. I just feel Yooyoung downplay Eunkyul contribution to justify her motive.
It is forget the kindness & repay with evil. + Show Spoiler +Hanlon's razor... I'm pretty sure she never initially intended to give Eunkyul away to Yoonsun, it's a silly mistake, hence her facial reaction after Yoonsun pointed the mistake out. (Remember, I did call her a silly, maybe blooper is better, genius earlier). Though, given that, she definately didn't seem to handle it properly afterward, as Yellow pointed out aswell.
Guess Eunkyul put her off too much when Eunkyul explained his reasonings for betraying his team, and in the manner he did so. I take it I'm not the only one waiting for a 'genius' moment like Yellow had during 'Open, Pass' (s1e07)? Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoy the show, but it's more due to being quite funny, instead of 'true genius' moments. But that is how I relay my message across when I am in mid school. I wan to let sum1 noe she is not invited. I do the same thing as Yooyoung. And she found out and got angry, I got scared. YooYoung expression just remind me of the exact expression I made. Sometimes, I still use subtle ways, to get my message across. U noe , in work place where there is similar politics.
Yes, could be (although I really, really doubt it to be so). In which case I prefer giving someone the benefit of the doubt (hence Hanlon's razor), rather than condemning them.
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Just watched the first four episodes of season two, thinking of watching the first season.
It makes more sense now having read the posts in this forum (re: reasons for alliances, some background info). -_-
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+ Show Spoiler +Never got so upset before watching an episode. Betrayals and stuff are fair game in the main game. You have ways and time for interaction, to prevent it, or come up with a counter-plan. If anything, the game design actually favours the one who sacrifice himself and risk his own life in the deathmatch. By right in episode 2 and 4, the one who has the balls to help others win would gain the majority support from the winning team itself.
Betrayal in deathmatch is another story. It's a true betrayal where the deathmatch participants could not do anything. I'm not even a fan of the magician. But the way they used him as a tool this game, then abandoning him once they got their own immunity was just disgusting. They were just hypocrites who think they have not done anything wrong because they were 'passive' in the deathmatch. If only the justification to eliminate him was because he's a strong participant, that i could understand.
I will be rooting for jinho, the congressman, and maybe boxer if he starts showing brilliance in future games. They know how politics work, especially the congressman. It just happens that he won every game lol, but even if he was in the losing team, i doubt anyone would choose him. He's pretending to be weak and only wins because of luck, so anyone could choose to eliminate him easily later on. And he doesn't make any alliance nor enemies, so nobody will feel threatened to eliminate him so early yet. The way he looks at the participants, i get shivers down my spine. It seems like he is constantly reading others' mind.
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On January 01 2014 16:35 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 16:25 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On January 01 2014 15:32 Shival wrote:On January 01 2014 14:37 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On January 01 2014 13:31 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:On January 01 2014 13:29 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On December 31 2013 19:52 DaftFunk wrote:
SPOILERS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
everyone here is right about the betrayal of Eunkyul. I felt the same way and had the same though process of Jinho. You just dont do that.. i dont feel bad for him necessarily but its really disgusting to see them basically give him away little by little as if his contribution did nothing for them. if they didnt want his deal, they shouldnt have LET HIM CHEAT FOR THEM or NOT AGREE TO HIS PLANS!!!!
but what bugs me more.... are these stupid "Deathmatches", where its now become more of a popularity contest. I wholeheartedly believe the producers pull out the "SUN MOON STAR" game whenever a popular contestant goes to the deathmatch.
**** If you guys didnt know this before, but noh hongchul and jiwon are both really famous in korean television. i know people in this thread only see him as the guy in the gangnam style music video, but he is actually on... lets say ryan seacrests level of fame in korea in terms of exposure. so while 80% of these other contestants here are really nobodies, hes actually a huge star of the show. so its not a coincedence as to why you guys like him so much... he also DOES have great charisma and personality.
ji won is also really popular and could be the second most famous person on the show right now. hes been in so many tv shows already with other famous people in korea and is really funny (he plays that "im kind of slow" character a lot). side note hes related to the last korean president which could also be why hes so rich...
so while someo f you might not have seen them before this season, but i was geniunely surprised they managed to get 2 of these stars onto the show. that also really explains why i believe the producers (and by now you should realize they always choose which deathmatch game gets to be played at the END of the episode, not preset) choose the sun moon star game. it has no luck. theres VERY LITTLE SKILL involved, which is only the bluffing aspect. but that will not affect the outcome so much as to help you win. the OTHER PLAYERS practically choose who they want to have stay. OBVIOUSLY the majority of people will help jiwon, not only because eunkyul backstabbed his team, but because jiwon has MORE FRIENDS, MORE POPULAR, (not to mention, would you look at how that lawyer ALWAYS goes to the side with the first deathmatch contestant to make sure she doesnt get picked???? even when she gets picked for DM, she does her puppy eyes and tries to gains everyone support. reminds me on kyungran from season 1 all the time..) and bottom line he is MORE FAMOUS than the magician. and trust me.. koreans feel the same way about illusionists in korea the same way we do here in the us with MINDFREAK CHRIS ANGEL or DAVID ZOMGMAGIC COPPERFIELD.. its kind of corny.
bottom line the deathmatches seem to be brought out whenever a star of the show is in jeopardy. and theres nothing genius about it at all. in fact it ruins the future episodes as now as someone pointed out there is going to be a more tightly knit team of those same group of people and kind of destroys the fun. too bad it probably wont beused as a deathmatch anymore because its getting into the mid stages of the season and they cant keep pulling it off. yes im bitter. not because i liked the magician (like i said, i think theyre corny), but they AGREED to his proposition when they followed his plans, and they all except yellow and junghyun intentionally gave him away when jiwon had to choose his opponent.
beyond that, yellow looks to be in strong contention to win again. its shocking to see how much of a joke boxer is. i wont sugar coat it, sorry guys. but boxer plain isnt the genius we expected him to be. What does corny means? Is it something positive or negative? Corny kinda means like. Cheesy. It's typically seen as negative, but it can be somewhat positive in certain stances. I am kind of baffled. I feel corny is negative too, but I saw David Copperfield name. I thought people will use positive thing to describe David Copperfield. Bah actually, + Show Spoiler +As much as I dislike Eunkyul doing so random, or high level stuff (to eliminate Jiwon in this episode).
But Yooyoung giving him away to Yoonsun, & reasoning shouldn't help Eunkyul to the end because his help is not deciding.
I just feel, Yooyoung wan Eunkyul to be eliminated because she finds him two timing very bad/irritating. And forgot his contribution. I just feel Yooyoung downplay Eunkyul contribution to justify her motive.
It is forget the kindness & repay with evil. + Show Spoiler +Hanlon's razor... I'm pretty sure she never initially intended to give Eunkyul away to Yoonsun, it's a silly mistake, hence her facial reaction after Yoonsun pointed the mistake out. (Remember, I did call her a silly, maybe blooper is better, genius earlier). Though, given that, she definately didn't seem to handle it properly afterward, as Yellow pointed out aswell.
Guess Eunkyul put her off too much when Eunkyul explained his reasonings for betraying his team, and in the manner he did so. I take it I'm not the only one waiting for a 'genius' moment like Yellow had during 'Open, Pass' (s1e07)? Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoy the show, but it's more due to being quite funny, instead of 'true genius' moments. But that is how I relay my message across when I am in mid school. I wan to let sum1 noe she is not invited. I do the same thing as Yooyoung. And she found out and got angry, I got scared. YooYoung expression just remind me of the exact expression I made. Sometimes, I still use subtle ways, to get my message across. U noe , in work place where there is similar politics. Yes, could be (although I really, really doubt it to be so). In which case I prefer giving someone the benefit of the doubt (hence Hanlon's razor), rather than condemning them.
Yellow reasoning of helping Eunkyul is exactly, same as mine. I will do the same and help Eunkyul, all the way, because we have to protect the spy, when we decide to put him into our team. It is mutual. It is easy to understand.
Yooyoung reasoning of not helping Eunkyul because his betray do not contribute so significant. Feels .erm, weak?
It feels like there is deeper reason than this.
That is my context, what I want to express in my previous statement/comment.
The real reason I wrote what I feel.
Anyway, I just wrote Yooyoung giving away Yoonsun. That is all. I did give benefit of the doubt. I didnt noe she did it on purpose or not.
So, Hanlon razor me, pls.
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On January 01 2014 16:51 Knowerz wrote:
Just watched the first four episodes of season two, thinking of watching the first season.
It makes more sense now having read the posts in this forum (re: reasons for alliances, some background info). -_-
U shld. It was very unexpected and funny. Outsider made it despite the broadcaster alliance thanks to a dark horse insider with a soft spot for the kong.
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On January 01 2014 16:15 consultingcriminal wrote:
Perfect timing, just saw this quote on tumblr from an Anonymous.
“The saddest thing about betrayal is that it never comes from your enemies.”
Are we really quoting J.R. Smith in this thread? Let's not.
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On January 01 2014 16:57 babysimba wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Never got so upset before watching an episode. Betrayals and stuff are fair game in the main game. You have ways and time for interaction, to prevent it, or come up with a counter-plan. If anything, the game design actually favours the one who sacrifice himself and risk his own life in the deathmatch. By right in episode 2 and 4, the one who has the balls to help others win would gain the majority support from the winning team itself.
Betrayal in deathmatch is another story. It's a true betrayal where the deathmatch participants could not do anything. I'm not even a fan of the magician. But the way they used him as a tool this game, then abandoning him once they got their own immunity was just disgusting. They were just hypocrites who think they have not done anything wrong because they were 'passive' in the deathmatch. If only the justification to eliminate him was because he's a strong participant, that i could understand.
I will be rooting for jinho, the congressman, and maybe boxer if he starts showing brilliance in future games. They know how politics work, especially the congressman. It just happens that he won every game lol, but even if he was in the losing team, i doubt anyone would choose him. He's pretending to be weak and only wins because of luck, so anyone could choose to eliminate him easily later on. And he doesn't make any alliance nor enemies, so nobody will feel threatened to eliminate him so early yet. The way he looks at the participants, i get shivers down my spine. It seems like he is constantly reading others' mind.
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If you're talking about using others as a tool, please look back at episode 2 when the magician blatantly encourages everyone to use jaekyung as a tool in the DM to gain more garnets. Downright despicable. Downright disgusting.
After watching all the episodes, I think he definitely deserved this. The same way he always treated others.Used as a tool and then tossed away.
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On January 01 2014 17:11 Daozzt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 16:15 consultingcriminal wrote:
Perfect timing, just saw this quote on tumblr from an Anonymous.
“The saddest thing about betrayal is that it never comes from your enemies.”
Are we really quoting J.R. Smith in this thread? Let's not.
Oh, so it was him who exactly came up with that quote then huh? Thanks about that. And my bad, I shouldn't have gone around quoting stuff.
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About ep 4 again 
+ Show Spoiler +Eunkyul was used as a tool by others to win. But then his motivation in this episode isn't really that good. He didn't even have the intention to win. Meaning he doesn't care for the immunity. He should've just let his team won if he didn't want to end up in the death match in the first place. That's the risk he's agreed to take the moment he began betraying his own team.
His deal was just to put Eun Jiwon in the death match. He got it in the end anyways. But then turns out he also don't want to be involved in the death match. Then Eunkyul should've known that losing the game gives you 80% chance of going straight to the death match no matter what, especially when you have the most garnets. And it doesn't hurt that he looks to be the easiest target among the four of them.
He just got too obsessed about eliminating a certain player that he didn't think of the consequences and circumstances thoroughly. By the end, it's because he lacks the talent and charisma to remain in the game. He got quite arrogant , forgetting that he still doesn't have full control of what's about to happen. He's been using others to his advantage before. And in the end he got used too. It's a game and he lost.
He's right in thinking that Jiwon and Hongchul are very strong allies. But still Jiwon doesn't isolate himself in a single alliance.
In 1st ep, he was helping the lion until he was strong enough not to be eaten, but isn't involved in any of the alliances present which was why he was just roaming around looking for the token of immortality. He actually got a very weak animal because he knew to whom he should stick until he could be independent enough.
2nd ep, he was by himself again, trusting nobody and continuously lying even if he was already caught. He was a bit all over the place still having no specific team.
3rd ep he was with Jinho and the rest, but still made a good connection with the opposing team (by the end he told Dahye and Yooyoung he tried his best) and also stuck to helping Yohwan and Yoonsun not going to death match.
That's why by ep 4, majority of people are on his side.
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On January 01 2014 17:28 yogiwizard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 16:57 babysimba wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Never got so upset before watching an episode. Betrayals and stuff are fair game in the main game. You have ways and time for interaction, to prevent it, or come up with a counter-plan. If anything, the game design actually favours the one who sacrifice himself and risk his own life in the deathmatch. By right in episode 2 and 4, the one who has the balls to help others win would gain the majority support from the winning team itself.
Betrayal in deathmatch is another story. It's a true betrayal where the deathmatch participants could not do anything. I'm not even a fan of the magician. But the way they used him as a tool this game, then abandoning him once they got their own immunity was just disgusting. They were just hypocrites who think they have not done anything wrong because they were 'passive' in the deathmatch. If only the justification to eliminate him was because he's a strong participant, that i could understand.
I will be rooting for jinho, the congressman, and maybe boxer if he starts showing brilliance in future games. They know how politics work, especially the congressman. It just happens that he won every game lol, but even if he was in the losing team, i doubt anyone would choose him. He's pretending to be weak and only wins because of luck, so anyone could choose to eliminate him easily later on. And he doesn't make any alliance nor enemies, so nobody will feel threatened to eliminate him so early yet. The way he looks at the participants, i get shivers down my spine. It seems like he is constantly reading others' mind.
+ Show Spoiler +
If you're talking about using others as a tool, please look back at episode 2 when the magician blatantly encourages everyone to use jaekyung as a tool in the DM to gain more garnets. Downright despicable. Downright disgusting.
After watching all the episodes, I think he definitely deserved this. The same way he always treated others.Used as a tool and then tossed away.
Alright man. I think you need to take a step back and realize that this is a reality T.V./game show and his actions are perfectly normal.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 01 2014 17:28 yogiwizard wrote:
If you're talking about using others as a tool, please look back at episode 2 when the magician blatantly encourages everyone to use jaekyung as a tool in the DM to gain more garnets. Downright despicable. Downright disgusting.
After watching all the episodes, I think he definitely deserved this. The same way he always treated others.Used as a tool and then tossed away.
He only proposed that everyone betted in the same person after it was clear there would be a winner. I didn't see anything wrong with it, he was just maximizing garnets and not affecting the results.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 01 2014 16:35 Shival wrote:
Yes, could be (although I really, really doubt it to be so). In which case I prefer giving someone the benefit of the doubt (hence Hanlon's razor), rather than condemning them. When I saw the scene for the first time, I had the impression that she made a mistake and the lawyer had a good read in sniffing out what was wrong. But the following scenes showed her secretely telling Jinwo who was who was the betrayer, so I am really not sure. I think it is more likely that she intentionally "tipped" the lawyer, but impossible to say for sure.
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On January 01 2014 13:57 consultingcriminal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 13:26 Kheve wrote:On January 01 2014 13:14 consultingcriminal wrote:On January 01 2014 12:59 Kheve wrote:
How true bout the previews -_-. I should stop watching it but I'm always very curious on the next game. Gah i really want to see the next episode to see who gets kicked off by yoyoung. I think i'll be looking for the raws next episode lol. Btw, anyone here who watches Sherlock? It's just that some of the music from its soundtrack is also being used in the show and I love it. Which part? I heard it in the first episode (also the bts where the lion killed the hyena) and also somewhere in the second episode.. I've already forgotten about the 3rd and 4th. But yeah, I often hear it especially when rewatching some eps. EDIT: I just checked. Also somewhere in the 3rd episode's death match.
You can check out user mmh0147 on youtube. He/she has been compiling playlists of the songs used in every episode of Season 2. Lots of Sherlock (Season 3 starts today!!! Yippee!), Ocean 11/12/13, Fast & Furious, etc OST tracks used throughout The Genius. It's pure eargasm listening to the playlists while doing work.
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On January 01 2014 18:24 femacca wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 13:57 consultingcriminal wrote:On January 01 2014 13:26 Kheve wrote:On January 01 2014 13:14 consultingcriminal wrote:On January 01 2014 12:59 Kheve wrote:
How true bout the previews -_-. I should stop watching it but I'm always very curious on the next game. Gah i really want to see the next episode to see who gets kicked off by yoyoung. I think i'll be looking for the raws next episode lol. Btw, anyone here who watches Sherlock? It's just that some of the music from its soundtrack is also being used in the show and I love it. Which part? I heard it in the first episode (also the bts where the lion killed the hyena) and also somewhere in the second episode.. I've already forgotten about the 3rd and 4th. But yeah, I often hear it especially when rewatching some eps. EDIT: I just checked. Also somewhere in the 3rd episode's death match. You can check out user mmh0147 on youtube. He/she has been compiling playlists of the songs used in every episode of Season 2. Lots of Sherlock (Season 3 starts today!!! Yippee!), Ocean 11/12/13, Fast & Furious, etc OST tracks used throughout The Genius. It's pure eargasm listening to the playlists while doing work.
Oh thanks about that! I really want that playlist! It would be awesome to listen to all of the music used in The Genius! Total eargasm and I really love the music they've been using in this show.
+ Show Spoiler +And hey, a Sherlock fan! Never thought I'd survive two years of waiting but here I am ready for series 3!!
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On January 01 2014 17:46 Daozzt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 17:28 yogiwizard wrote:On January 01 2014 16:57 babysimba wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Never got so upset before watching an episode. Betrayals and stuff are fair game in the main game. You have ways and time for interaction, to prevent it, or come up with a counter-plan. If anything, the game design actually favours the one who sacrifice himself and risk his own life in the deathmatch. By right in episode 2 and 4, the one who has the balls to help others win would gain the majority support from the winning team itself.
Betrayal in deathmatch is another story. It's a true betrayal where the deathmatch participants could not do anything. I'm not even a fan of the magician. But the way they used him as a tool this game, then abandoning him once they got their own immunity was just disgusting. They were just hypocrites who think they have not done anything wrong because they were 'passive' in the deathmatch. If only the justification to eliminate him was because he's a strong participant, that i could understand.
I will be rooting for jinho, the congressman, and maybe boxer if he starts showing brilliance in future games. They know how politics work, especially the congressman. It just happens that he won every game lol, but even if he was in the losing team, i doubt anyone would choose him. He's pretending to be weak and only wins because of luck, so anyone could choose to eliminate him easily later on. And he doesn't make any alliance nor enemies, so nobody will feel threatened to eliminate him so early yet. The way he looks at the participants, i get shivers down my spine. It seems like he is constantly reading others' mind.
+ Show Spoiler +
If you're talking about using others as a tool, please look back at episode 2 when the magician blatantly encourages everyone to use jaekyung as a tool in the DM to gain more garnets. Downright despicable. Downright disgusting.
After watching all the episodes, I think he definitely deserved this. The same way he always treated others.Used as a tool and then tossed away.
Alright man. I think you need to take a step back and realize that this is a reality T.V./game show and his actions are perfectly normal.
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You're right. It is just a reality show and betrayals are perfectly normal. Therefore, that's why i just feel that him getting betrayed in episode 4 was not out of my expectations.
Anyway, the genius is a really good show which I had been following since season 1 episode 1. Cheers to it!
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I'm kinda starting to lose interest cuz the show is moving more and more towards favouring popularity contest over true genius-ness (if that's a word). I mean sure, popularity should definitely play a part since swaying people and knowing when to betray them is part of being smart. But when the entire show relies 80-90% on popularity contest, I might as well watch a Korean drama. This is even more so when they make their death matches like this too; there was absolutely NOTHING Jae Kyung could of done to save herself in ep.2 with the sun/moon/star game. I mean it's a death-match for the two individuals, it shouldn't be decided 100% before it even started by people outside the death match, that's just retarded.
The Hap/Gao, Yut, Indian poker, and that memorization game were perfect for death match. The sun-moon-star game has no place in a death match.
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