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I'm seeing a lot of comments from people who are disappointed that we did not share the exact plans for WCS 2014. To clarify, we did not intend for this to be an announcement, or an announcement of an announcement for that matter  The reality is that we are still finalizing the details of WCS 2014 with our partners, however, we did not want to wait until everything was finalized before letting you know some of the things we were discussing. We want to give the community an opportunity to provide feedback before we locked down the specific details. We have outlined most of our plans and ideas in some of our answers, but haven't fully committed to any of the decisions because we want to hear from the community. Our goal is to confirm and announce the plans for WCS 2014 before BlizzCon. That gives you at least a week to give us your input on what we've shared! Thanks again for your support! -kimaphan |
On October 24 2013 01:49 cpower wrote:
Look at MCs journey to the final -> beat Kas, FireCake, BabyKnight, ThorZaIN, TargA , Genius.. before falling to MMC.
Now look at soo's journey to the final -> beat YongHwa , Bomber, Super, INnoVation, Parting, Soulkey then fall the Dear.
I would say its 5 to 10 times harder than the EU region, yet they have the same WCS points, same money pool. I do not understand how the EU/AM regions make any sense now. Are they just for some pro gamers to take advantage of grabbing more money in a convenient way?
Yes, these Koreans who prefers to play on EU/NA...
It is Blizzard fault. Give KR ~15-20k more prizemoney each season than EU/NA and region locking. This makes WCS KR a lot stronger with Hero, Taeja, Jaedong etc and I will enjoy more to watch KR.
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On October 15 2013 10:09 NonY wrote:
These three things don't go together:
--have the biggest tournament be based on WCS points
--reset WCS points after the tournament
--seed players from the season before the tournament into the season after the tournament
EITHER points shouldn't ever reset, but rather decay, and the biggest tournament should happen more than once a year OR points reset annually after the big tournament and there should be no seeds after the big tournament.
And specifically the way it is now for NA, a player's performance in a single elim bracket in September 2013 is going to determine whether they can play in Season One Premier League 2014, which is going to happen at least four months later. I think that's too extreme for SC2.
I like the idea of the points resting annually rather than decaying, but yeah I agree with the rest.
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I thought the video that Slasher made on pro player's WCS thoughts would be worth posting here:
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I hate WCS so much... Truly ruining the scene. I watched soooo much SC2 during 2011 and 2012... In 2013 I doubt I've even watched 1/10th as much as either of those years and it's looking like it will decrease even further now... How the hell is 3 seasons considered a good idea? Especially since it sounds like we still aren't going to have standalone GSL/OSL. I strongly believe that if WCS 2013 never existed the scene would be a lot stronger right now.
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Well although it's not great it still sounds a hell of a lot better than this year! Any improvement is good
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Is it possible to update the Q&A? By now, after 10 days of its release, Blizzard should have a better idea of the direction they want to take for WCS.
Take advantage of kimaphan's presence at S3 finals and question her again, please!
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On October 25 2013 13:52 JJH777 wrote:
I hate WCS so much... Truly ruining the scene. I watched soooo much SC2 during 2011 and 2012... In 2013 I doubt I've even watched 1/10th as much as either of those years and it's looking like it will decrease even further now... How the hell is 3 seasons considered a good idea? Especially since it sounds like we still aren't going to have standalone GSL/OSL. I strongly believe that if WCS 2013 never existed the scene would be a lot stronger right now.
Did you watch less SC2 -BECAUSE- of WCS?
I watched less SC2, but honestly I was just busy and lost a bit of interest, but it has picked back up again.
It sounds like you lost interest and are blaming it on WCS because you can. You didn't include any rationale as to why you think WCS would result in '1/10th' of the viewing time.
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another idea.
wcs and osl are not more wcs.
blizzard gives points per tournament in the same way they do now. only that gsl and osl bring a little more of points.
blizzard organize a true "league" with a robin round and groups of 16 players.
games can be played online, with region lock, or inter-region or whatever.
+ Show Spoiler +IMO it must be bo1, to make easier and quick the production. so if we have 1 group every day, we will have 8 matches per day. 3 - 4 hours of starcraft per day instead of the actual 4-6 hours per wcs per day. and will interfere the less with another tournaments
the final standing in the league will give some points. and seed the player to the next league, and demote the less skilled.
suppose we have 4 groups in korea, 2 in EU, and 2 in US
every group will seed 2 or 4 players in a global mini final.
and repeat.
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Personally I would be really disappointed if they did get rid of the WCS season finals - to me they are the highlight of the WCS system. Especially if they are going to implement a region lock - having to wait until the end of the year for players from each region to compete would, to me, greatly diminish the experience.
One of the major regions for this on my part is that I have a much greater chance of being physically present at a season finals than I do at Blizzcon. I am from New Zealand but I would definitely travel to attend a season finals (and was planning to next year) - I took a trip to Asia this month and timed it so that I would be in Korea for the regional finals, and would be there again in a heartbeat for a season finals (missed out this year).
I realize that Blizzcon is the ultimate goal of all the WCS build-up, but for someone like me, Blizzcon is once a year, in the USA, and given that it is not a Starcraft-only focused event, much harder to get tickets for. All of which make it a lot more difficult (and less desirable) to attend.
I can sort of understand peoples concerns regarding 'story lines', but I think they can be better addressed through other changes rather than simply removing season finals all together.
Redistributing points and/or prize money away from the finals would be a welcome change to my mind, and perhaps a longer gap between regional and season finals would let the region winners bask in their glory for a little longer (since they are going only have 3 seasons over an entire year for 2014).
The season finals could even be re-framed as blizzard post-season invitational for bonus cash/points and less of a "grats you are now the best player in the world"-type event.
From my perspective ditching the season finals is getting rid of a tangible enjoyment (the finals) for the the sake of something that seems to only exist in peoples minds (story lines), or at least this appears to be the reasoning they are putting forward.
P.S.
I should also add that I think the other changes are generally great (slightly in two-minds regarding region lock but understand the frustration for non-Korean players).
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CYA SC2, time for team liquid to go full dota2.
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I have been following SC2 for a while. Let me share my thoughts on region locking, all Korean finals etc.
There are many good reasons why Koreans win. Their work ethic is tremendous and they dedicate their lives to eSport. How many of them have girlfriend? How many of them drink, party? Probably none of them.
They don't show much emotions. They are bit boring compared to NaniWa or Idra. But they are still humans. Find something fun about them and build stories.
WCS Regions:
4 Regions(locked): Asia + Oceania, America(continent), Europe, Korea.
16 finalists = 2 Asia, 2 America, 2 Europe, 10 Korea
Similar to world cup, strong regions should get more seats. Naturally Korea will get 10. Of course it's not fair (world cup selection is not fair too) but it will attract more sponsors, fans, players etc.
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Yes I like the world cup model as well, stronger regions more places.
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On October 29 2013 22:57 fallenmongol wrote:
There are many good reasons why Koreans win. Their work ethic is tremendous and they dedicate their lives to eSport. How many of them have girlfriend? How many of them drink, party? Probably none of them.
They don't show much emotions. They are bit boring compared to NaniWa or Idra. But they are still humans. Find something fun about them and build stories.
What the f*ck hahaha Not to get into some sort of meaningless argument, but this is just a ridiculous generalization. Korean gamers aren't "losers" and "don't have girlfriends or go out", that's not the reason they're better lol In fact, many of them do have girlfriends and they all obviously have social lives. They're not different then their foreigner counterparts (in fact, for majority of them I'd say they're less "nerdy" then gamers in NA/EU by far, look at Jaedong, Flash, DRG, Mvp, Nestea, Bisu [RIP ;-;], Soulkey, sOs, hero(CJ), Rain, etc etc, the list goes on... Can't really think of a single example of a top level foreigner pro in the same level, used to only be idra and huk really lol).
The reason they're better is solely because of HOW they practice and their fine attention to detail (helped by coaches and teammates), the team house atmosphere, etc. And they're not "boring" either lol Any top korean who has ever bothered to learn english has often become FAR more popular and entertaining then any foreigner (eg: MC, Polt, even HerO to some extent). I swear, the moment english becomes standard for korean gamers is the moment this "I wanna see foreigners play" b*tching is put to an end.
After attending WCS in Toronto I can honestly say, when I'm paying to see these events, I want to see the best play, period. I've never felt the same watching a starcraft game then I felt in the congress center watching Dear vs. Maru. I really don't want to just gift foreigners spots in premier tournaments. It always turns out into a joke, like the old GSL seeds to everyone but Naniwa, or the WCS last year.
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I think Blizzard need to do something about Players forfeiting matches in challenger league to do show matches / hide their builds / whatever lame excuse. There have been examples in EU where MVP couldn't be bothered to participate (show match I heard, don't know if it is true), Dayshi played random all of a sudden and Sortof tried to qualify for DH winter. The Revival / Taeja situation in AM is getting uglier by the day. I don't know if there have been similar cases in KR.
In any case, forfeiting matches without any kind of penalty has to stop. Please stomp on this. It distorts the competition, makes a farce out of it and clearly negatively affects the quality of the games broadcaster for us viewers. Players that forfeit matches without good enough reason to do so should be banned from participating in the next WCS season and have to go through the qualifier again.
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Blizzard should treat the players like assets and propose some sort of deal and forcefully make some rivalries happen.
ie. Jaedong is in WCS: NA, good keep him there, bring Flash there to WCS: NA too.
JvF for WCS:NA; instant high viewership; instant attention
ie. Mvp is in WCS: EU, keep him there; now bring Nestea, bring the IM team? and have it established IM vs EU's elite with some koreans sprinkled here and there
ie. Manipulate the brackets so that it starts fierce team rivalries (ie. SKT vs KT, CJ vs MVP?)
They have to make use of every asset they're given and have to press the right buttons.
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On October 30 2013 00:08 ffadicted wrote:
What the f*ck hahaha Not to get into some sort of meaningless argument, but this is just a ridiculous generalization. Korean gamers aren't "losers" and "don't have girlfriends or go out", that's not the reason they're better.
I did not say or imply that they are losers. So take that back! They don't have gfs and they don't go out because they don't have time for it. That's all!
On October 30 2013 00:08 ffadicted wrote:
lol In fact, many of them do have girlfriends and they all obviously have social lives.
Ok now you have to prove me that. Again I am not calling them losers or anything.
On October 30 2013 00:08 ffadicted wrote:
And they're not "boring" either lol Any top korean who has ever bothered to learn english has often become FAR more popular and entertaining then any foreigner (eg: MC, Polt, even HerO to some extent). I swear, the moment english becomes standard for korean gamers is the moment this "I wanna see foreigners play" b*tching is put to an end.
I totally agree with you about the language barrier. However, they don't need to learn English. They just need a good translator. Every Korean team should have a good English speaker(gamer or non gamer) who can update/translate their twitter, blog posts and website in English. I am sure they will get more non Korean followers.
On October 30 2013 00:08 ffadicted wrote:
After attending WCS in Toronto I can honestly say, when I'm paying to see these events, I want to see the best play, period. I've never felt the same watching a starcraft game then I felt in the congress center watching Dear vs. Maru. I really don't want to just gift foreigners spots in premier tournaments. It always turns out into a joke, like the old GSL seeds to everyone but Naniwa, or the WCS last year.
Well in that case why even bother having global regions? Instead have 3 separate leagues in Korea and that's all. To promote SC2, have them come to NA or Europe for offline championship tournament so the fans can see and cheer them in real life.
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On October 30 2013 08:59 fallenmongol wrote:
Ok now you have to prove me that. Again I am not calling them losers or anything.
In the very least it is well known that MC has a girlfriend.
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On October 30 2013 12:08 esaul17 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 08:59 fallenmongol wrote:
Ok now you have to prove me that. Again I am not calling them losers or anything.
In the very least it is well known that MC has a girlfriend.
And DRG.
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On October 30 2013 13:41 hansonslee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 12:08 esaul17 wrote:On October 30 2013 08:59 fallenmongol wrote:
Ok now you have to prove me that. Again I am not calling them losers or anything.
In the very least it is well known that MC has a girlfriend. And DRG.
Mvp as well has made numerous references, Nestea is married, etc etc
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On October 30 2013 13:53 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 13:41 hansonslee wrote:On October 30 2013 12:08 esaul17 wrote:On October 30 2013 08:59 fallenmongol wrote:
Ok now you have to prove me that. Again I am not calling them losers or anything.
In the very least it is well known that MC has a girlfriend. And DRG. Mvp as well has made numerous references, Nestea is married, etc etc
And none of these players are at the top anymore. Cooincidence?
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