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iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
October 07 2013 22:32 GMT
#141
nooooo what am i going to do with my fgstl D:
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Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
October 07 2013 22:36 GMT
#142
On October 08 2013 06:37 ElMeanYo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 06:33 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Many many pros joined the scene when Kespa switched, the scene could not realistically handle that many pro's therefore retirements were announced, the scene is regressing back, it will eventually stabilize.


I've heard this argument before... but in reality if the game was popular enough it could support all these new pros and more.

I don't like to diss SC2 cause it is still my favorite game, and I'm hoping for a revival and resurgence in popularity at some point. I guess LOTV.


This was also called months ago when KeSPA officially switched over so that's probably where you remember hearing it.
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rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 05:58:52
October 07 2013 22:51 GMT
#143
On October 08 2013 05:51 MiQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 05:02 rd wrote:
On October 08 2013 02:08 MiQ wrote:
Can't blame them for bailing a sinking ship


They were scarcely on the ship when it was afloat. Of all the events that are apparently leading up to SC2's demise, sC and thebest retiring are probably, if not the single most irrelevant recently. Seriously. People who think SC2's back is gonna be broken from losing sC and TheBest are just looking for a reason to shout SC2 dying.


It's just a continuation of retirements that have been going on for weeks now. I'm not using these two to make a point, but it's hard not to look at whats been going on and say everything's fine and dandy. I'm getting used to people defending the game nomatter what though and find it mildly entertaining so please keep doing what you do.


I'd rather not get used to people shitting up this forum by stringing together unrelated events and unifying them under the single conspiracy that they happen because SC2 is dying. If sC and TheBest did anything more in their careers other than occasionally take games off much more relevant players, they'd probably have an incentive to continue playing. Turns out it's pretty difficult to keep playing a game you have virtually no success in excluding a couple deep runs in 2011 during the GomTvT era. Additionally, as fate has already proven, way more players before these past few months of apocalyptic bad news have retired for this reason, and they will continue to do so until the end of time. Because it's pretty normal.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
October 07 2013 23:02 GMT
#144
On October 08 2013 07:51 rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 05:51 MiQ wrote:
On October 08 2013 05:02 rd wrote:
On October 08 2013 02:08 MiQ wrote:
Can't blame them for bailing a sinking ship


They were scarcely on the ship when it was afloat. Of all the events that are apparently leading up to SC2's demise, sC and thebest retiring are probably, if not the single most irrelevant recently. Seriously. People who think SC2's back is gonna be broken from losing sC and TheBest are just looking for a reason to shout SC2 dying.


It's just a continuation of retirements that have been going on for weeks now. I'm not using these two to make a point, but it's hard not to look at whats been going on and say everything's fine and dandy. I'm getting used to people defending the game nomatter what though and find it mildly entertaining so please keep doing what you do.


I'd rather not get used to people shitting up this forum by stringing together unrelated events and unifying them under the single conspiracy that they happen because SC2 is dying. If sC and TheBest did anything more in their careers other than occasionally take games off much more relevant players, they'd probably have an incentive to continue playing. Turns out it's pretty difficult to keep playing a game you have virtually no success in excluding a couple deep runs in 2011 during the GomTvT era. Additionally, as fate has already proven, way more players before these past few months have retired for this reason, and they will continue to do so until the end of time. Because it's pretty normal.


Fuck off with your logic and reason, we don't need that shit here!!!!

Sad to see oldtimers like sC and TheBest go but as rd says: it kinda makes sense (sadly)
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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 00:41:38
October 08 2013 00:36 GMT
#145
On October 08 2013 06:37 ElMeanYo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 06:33 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Many many pros joined the scene when Kespa switched, the scene could not realistically handle that many pro's therefore retirements were announced, the scene is regressing back, it will eventually stabilize.


I've heard this argument before... but in reality if the game was popular enough it could support all these new pros and more.

I don't like to diss SC2 cause it is still my favorite game, and I'm hoping for a revival and resurgence in popularity at some point. I guess LOTV.


Yeah, and also it doesn't help the fact that South Korea has had half the tournaments than before.

Shortly after KeSPA switch, there were 5 GSLs that year and 1 OSL too (potentially 2 OSLs a year alongside those GSLs next year).

However, now it's 2 GSL and 1 OSL (technically we did have 3 GSL but that one was before the WCS system).

Of course, you can argue whether GSLs or OSLs would have cut short regardless of WCS system or not, and that's definitely a valid point (even without WCS, would there be less GSLs this year anyway)? In any case, the problem of the retirements lately is not just because of more players but also less tournaments too.
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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 00:37:27
October 08 2013 00:37 GMT
#146
Double post >.<.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 08 2013 00:38 GMT
#147
The 2 sC games in the OP were so good. One of my favorite sc2 players all time
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RampancyTW
Profile Joined August 2010
United States577 Posts
October 08 2013 03:05 GMT
#148
On October 08 2013 09:38 Shellshock wrote:
The 2 sC games in the OP were so good. One of my favorite sc2 players all time
Honestly, for me watching those videos was just a reminder of how bad people were at SC2 back then. A current masters player would have beaten up on either one of them. They were interesting games, but the level of overall play is just... underwhelming.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
October 08 2013 04:30 GMT
#149
Thank you for posting the links to those games. They were both assume. I remember while watching them screaming and yelling and jumping up and down.
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
October 08 2013 04:32 GMT
#150
noooooo sC
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Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
October 08 2013 05:16 GMT
#151
sC`s game against NesTea was one of my favourites ever, so sad to see him go
But good luck in his new game
GoodSirTets
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada200 Posts
October 08 2013 05:43 GMT
#152
Been a fan of TheBest since GSL super tournament. RIP in peace you scoundrel.
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Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
October 08 2013 06:40 GMT
#153
sC retired again? oookayyy i will miss you sC... you're the only terran i liked by Ryung...
Sigh... grim day for sc2...
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norjoncal
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
89 Posts
October 08 2013 06:47 GMT
#154
On October 08 2013 09:36 Goldfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 06:37 ElMeanYo wrote:
On October 08 2013 06:33 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Many many pros joined the scene when Kespa switched, the scene could not realistically handle that many pro's therefore retirements were announced, the scene is regressing back, it will eventually stabilize.


I've heard this argument before... but in reality if the game was popular enough it could support all these new pros and more.

I don't like to diss SC2 cause it is still my favorite game, and I'm hoping for a revival and resurgence in popularity at some point. I guess LOTV.


Yeah, and also it doesn't help the fact that South Korea has had half the tournaments than before.

Shortly after KeSPA switch, there were 5 GSLs that year and 1 OSL too (potentially 2 OSLs a year alongside those GSLs next year).

However, now it's 2 GSL and 1 OSL (technically we did have 3 GSL but that one was before the WCS system).

Of course, you can argue whether GSLs or OSLs would have cut short regardless of WCS system or not, and that's definitely a valid point (even without WCS, would there be less GSLs this year anyway)? In any case, the problem of the retirements lately is not just because of more players but also less tournaments too.



I think they would have been cut short regardless. There are not enough fans in Korea. OSL in BW was sustainable. GOM GSL from what I recall has been propped up by blizzard the whole time.
Enstein
Profile Joined April 2013
Russian Federation134 Posts
October 08 2013 08:07 GMT
#155
Does this mean that sC is also forfeiting his spot in Fragbite Masters?
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
October 08 2013 08:30 GMT
#156
On October 08 2013 17:07 Enstein wrote:
Does this mean that sC is also forfeiting his spot in Fragbite Masters?

Nope, he will play it out as his last tourny
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Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
October 09 2013 03:14 GMT
#157
They will be back
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 09 2013 03:21 GMT
#158
I will stand at the hilltop and wait for sC to return again and all-kill someone a week after rejoining SC2.
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partydude89
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1850 Posts
October 09 2013 12:05 GMT
#159
something i found interesting is that Sc participated in the Dreamhack online Qualifiers. why would he do this if he was retiring?
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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
October 09 2013 12:33 GMT
#160
Yet more retirements :<
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