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las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
October 04 2013 00:21 GMT
#261
On October 04 2013 09:09 dearyuna wrote:
Massan is so sweet why would anyone screw him over like that?
I really hope this issue gets resolved. There are also hardworking people in Quantic and it's a shame that one person can bring down a team's reputation like that, owner or not.

As for HyuN, pewpew, I'm totally gonna outbid you guys


someone please stop her because she will outbid you all into oblivion for Hyun
In Inca we trust
HelloSon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
October 04 2013 00:22 GMT
#262
On October 04 2013 08:06 Dodgin wrote:
Cleaned it up a bit

+ Show Spoiler [original OP, now with spacing!] +
Dear community

I'm formerly Quantic MaSsan, a Zerg player from Quantic gaming's main roster:Quantic Gaming

As of September 26th, I officially left Quantic Gaming. Many people came to ask why and what not, and I'm just not going to lie about how things went. To my fans, I feel obligated to let them know why I'm leaving the organization.

Before I say anything, I hate to drop another bad news about teams. However, this is something that I believe it needs to be done, and I’m not sure where else to go with it. This post will explain how I left the team in detail, in one heavy load of texts.

Originally I told my ex-coworkers and friends that I will not publicize this, but I learned something about it that I need to do this, so my apologizes to those of who thought I wasn't going to do it.

So, my departure of Quantic Gaming started with me need to purchase flight ticket back to Atlanta, Georgia, USA from Quebec, Canada. When Simon, Quantic Gaming owner heard about this, he convince me that I should buy ticket to Korea as well after visa duration, since I’ll be staying in states with ESTA(basically 90 days travel visa), he said despite me been in states for 9 years, I’ll need it to pass inspection on customs as I enter the country(which I have yet to confirm if it’s true). Then he offered me that I let Simon buy the ticket, since I’ll be getting possibly cheaper flights and he can get mileages off his account since he’s frequent customer, which I took.

I told him to purchase a ticket that will allow me to stay in for anytime between 85 to 90 days. Initially my departure date from states was on Thursday, but then I had him moved to Tuesday for my own convenience, which should have only shortened the duration. I sent $1400, ticket cost, to him via Paypal.

Then I took the flight to Atlanta, and I learned that my flight ticket is actually is for 91 days even after the 2 days adjustment, and I had to go through secondary inspection where I convinced the security that I’ll be leaving before my visa expires.

So I told Simon that he had booked wrong flight, hence I needed it either changed or refunded so I can use new ticket. Simon told me that there is a form he can fill for me to extend my stay. I call embassy and found out that there is no such form, and I learned that what he told me was either lie or was given wrong information. I told him about it and he told me to stop bother him for now so I gave him time to find it out on his own.

5 days later, I asked for a form if he could find it. He told me that he called and he cannot change ticket nor can be refunded. It was very confusing for me since ticket says we’re able to change as long as we pay the differences, and I told him I’ll pay for that too. He ignored me on any conversation about forms, but just told me about how he cannot change anything about ticket, and he will not pay any money to buy new ticket since it was my error to have date wrong because I was next to him talking when he was purchasing ticket. Upon hearing that, I told him it’ll be on his dad’s credit card(he purchased with it) otherwise, so we need to fix the problem together.

He freaked out on the part me saying “it’ll be on his dad’s credit card”, and told me “good luck finding new team”, along with how “asshole”, and it is a good thing I sent it as gift on Paypal so I won’t be able to get it back. Being confused, I told him we need to find solution, I’m yet thankful for my stay at quantic house, but it doesn’t mean he can randomly decide to take money away. He told me that when I threaten quantic, I deal with consequences(which I was very confused about, I don’t remember making any threats, especially to quantic). I tried to talk him into senses since he seemed to be in freaked-out status. He told me “will review the matter tonight and see what I can do until then Nothing to say”.

I agreed to this and meanwhile, I called travel agency that he initially contacted. There I learned that you can always change the ticket as long as there is availability, and pay the ticket differential. I also learned that it’ll cost him $163 to change it. During this time, he removed all my information from the website, and removed me from quantic.

For 3 days after the incident, I messaged Simon every night just to get him back since he was logging on and off, while he ignored me completely. At the end of the day, he got either nice mileage on his account, or refund from canceling ticket. On me, I lost $1400 ticket and had to purchase another. From what point he was lying or was trying to screw me it doesn’t matter. Despite the fact that it seem like he did this from very beginning, but I can understand mistakes. However, from the moment he was telling me about forms, he was purely lying and was trying to scam me over.

After learning that he was lying to me in every possibly way, including visa, form, ticket, travel agency and every other things, I contacted Paypal and tried to cancel payment(which didn’t work out since I sent as gift), and I’m in process filing IC3(internet crime complaint center) on US government, which I’m not sure how US government will punish Canadian until he comes into US. I’ll be looking for similar form that I can fill for Canadians on Canadian government for scam he did to me.

Few days after, Simon contacted me saying good luck getting my money back, and he indeed changed the ticket at the moment I contacted him, which he will not give it to me obviously because I’m double face asshole. He told me that the ticket cost him 85 dollars(by default ticket changing fee costs 100 minimum, so it’s lie, but I still called airline and confirmed that it indeed is a lie and ticket was not changed from the beginning)

As said, I wasn’t going to reveal this to public for the good of my friends who still remains in the team. However, I learned that Simon has been telling others that I stole money from his pocket as I left the place, and I threatened him meanwhile. I will not stand framing. I cannot imagine what he's going to tell others if he tells quantic gaming that I have stole his property and threatened him, as well as I'm full of lies that I never spoke of, hence I decided to go public with this. I love Starcraft 2 and it's community. I didn't want my career to end with me leaving Quantic, and this seemed only way to prevent that.

You can find detailed skype chat down below, everything from start to the end to not give you any wrong information or even try to hide it. To make sure any part is not cropped, I copy pasted end part of screenshot at the beginning of next screen shot. This might includes some information that it shouldn’t be on public, but I cannot find a way to give you top to bottom view otherwise.

As of now, I'd like to ask formal apologize from Quantic gamings owner, Simon Boudreault, as well as refund for ticket, although it is very unlikely to happen given situation.

http://imgur.com/Li9NniK Imgurlink

As a note, I have not told any lies about organization to anyone especially to my teammates. However, I cannot prevent lie If information feeder, which are Quantic Gamings Organization Management team, lied to me to begin with. Then I'm sorry to hear that you had to lie about how things were handled and went to cover up what actually happen when you told me about those.

Thank you viewers for reading this hell of texts. I appreciate your support on the organization and me, and I really hope this doesn't change your view on Starcrtaft scene.

hurray for saved OPs!
yo
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
October 04 2013 00:30 GMT
#263
btw did I misunderstand the OP or what, it seems like massan needs a visa for both USA and Canada?

isn't he american?
jmihere
Profile Joined June 2013
62 Posts
October 04 2013 00:31 GMT
#264
On October 04 2013 08:33 DwD wrote:
It's probably just the Quantic guy trying to do damage control and telling him he will pay him back if he deletes it. Too late though it's already out and the shitstorm is brewing.


Agreed. Unfortunately, removing/editing the post doesn't "auto-magically" mean the post never existed in the first place. Reasons:

1. It's been cached
2. People who repost the original message
3. People who keep backups of the original message and reposts them if they got removed

It would have been far better to ask of Massan to post with a followup once the matter has been sorted rather than have him remove the post entirely. The damage has already been done, trying to hide it only makes it look twice as bad.

Most damning has to be the skype log chats. I can't believe how someone at the helm can behave in such a rude, obnoxious and unprofessional manner.

AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 04 2013 00:36 GMT
#265
On October 04 2013 09:18 dAPhREAk wrote:
how old is simon? i am just curious why massan would even trust his "knowledge" of american immigration law.


He is 23 according to their website
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Tinzu
Profile Joined June 2013
26 Posts
October 04 2013 00:38 GMT
#266
On October 04 2013 09:30 ROOTFayth wrote:
btw did I misunderstand the OP or what, it seems like massan needs a visa for both USA and Canada?

isn't he american?


Last time I checked he went to college in Georgia.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
October 04 2013 00:41 GMT
#267
so his 91 days stay is where exactly? isn't it in Georgia?
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
October 04 2013 00:43 GMT
#268
you know someone did the wrong thing wh en instead of waiting and issuing a professional counter statement, they try to trade doing the right thing for getting you to help cover their tracks.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
October 04 2013 00:48 GMT
#269
On October 04 2013 09:41 ROOTFayth wrote:
so his 91 days stay is where exactly? isn't it in Georgia?


I was told by Xeno that he is Korean actually. He studies/studied in USA but he does not have american citizenship. Regardless, the VISA is not the issue here it is a personal financial matter between Massan and Simon (not even Quantic related in a legal sense)
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 04 2013 00:50 GMT
#270
On October 04 2013 09:36 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 09:18 dAPhREAk wrote:
how old is simon? i am just curious why massan would even trust his "knowledge" of american immigration law.


He is 23 according to their website

people should not believe the opinions of 23 year olds on immigration issues unless exceptional circumstances exist. to be fair, based on the skype conversation, massan correctly questioned simon's purported knowledge.
MaSsan
Profile Joined June 2009
United States143 Posts
October 04 2013 00:53 GMT
#271
To clarify, I will not be able to join Visa Waiver Program ever again, unless the delay in departure is due to emergency such as weather, or accidents.

I updated OP to have it include original statement, as well as current undergoing conversation(which doesn't mean much at the moment).
@MaSsanSC
MaSsan
Profile Joined June 2009
United States143 Posts
October 04 2013 00:56 GMT
#272
Rottie// To clarify on that aspect, it has to do more with intention of staying overtime, or abuse of the system.

As long as original flight is bought on correct dates, you can get waiver on your status from immigration office in case of emergency, or delay due to accident, etc. You also might need these evidences back when you enter country if you didn't get your overstaying status waived, to have the status resolved, although it's safer to just get visa and talk to embassy about your past situation in that case.

@MaSsanSC
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 04 2013 00:58 GMT
#273
On October 04 2013 09:53 1MaSsan wrote:
To clarify, I will not be able to join Visa Waiver Program ever again, unless the delay in departure is due to emergency such as weather, or accidents.

I updated OP to have it include original statement, as well as current undergoing conversation(which doesn't mean much at the moment).

Well at least glad that you will likely be reimbursed.
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MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
October 04 2013 01:00 GMT
#274
On October 04 2013 09:53 1MaSsan wrote:
To clarify, I will not be able to join Visa Waiver Program ever again


wow, that is really EXTREMELY inconvenient.... immigration departments are ALWAYS sooooooo bad and their processes are always so laboursome... the very reason people came up with 90 day visa waiver is because of the overhead of processing visas for short stays.

Really, Simon doesn't need to just give you back your money, he needs to have his waiver disqualified as well..
wow, so bad, so unprofessional.
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18412 Posts
October 04 2013 01:01 GMT
#275
wow this is just sad..
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
October 04 2013 01:19 GMT
#276
Ridiculous that he didn't just change the date immediately (not a big deal). However, from the skype log it sounds like he had issues with you from before (either real or imagined) and was looking for an excuse to fuck you over.
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Animism
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland130 Posts
October 04 2013 01:29 GMT
#277
Wow, quantic leader looks like a joke from these skype messages. I cannot believe what i'm reading. This is incredibly unprofessional. This team might as well close imo.
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
October 04 2013 01:31 GMT
#278
Thanks for putting the original post back up
twitter.com/lumigaming - DongRaeGu is the One True Dong - /r/onetruedong
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
October 04 2013 01:31 GMT
#279
On October 04 2013 09:48 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 09:41 ROOTFayth wrote:
so his 91 days stay is where exactly? isn't it in Georgia?


I was told by Xeno that he is Korean actually. He studies/studied in USA but he does not have american citizenship. Regardless, the VISA is not the issue here it is a personal financial matter between Massan and Simon (not even Quantic related in a legal sense)


Visa is in fact an issue (although you may be right, not in the immediate incident). If he is studying in the US, odds are he is on an F1 student visa. In which case, he is not allowed to work off-campus during his first year, and thereafter -
"For both F-1 and M-1 students any off-campus employment must be related to their area of study and must be authorized prior to starting any work by the Designated School Official (the person authorized to maintain the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS)) and USCIS." - Source

Again, I'm not an immigration law lawyer.

I don't know how this would impact other players - probably depends on the interpretations of whomever is looking at it. (Since most people don't see playing a video game competitively as a "job", it might skip by. Then again, it might not.)
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Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
October 04 2013 01:32 GMT
#280
Wow, this is pretty spectacular. I'm sorry to read about what you had to go through Massan, this all sounds shockingly unprofessional and mismanaged. I really hope things are working out following your edit.
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